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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Zosma on December 11, 2003, 06:05:01 PM
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For the most part there is NO HONOR in the MA. From the HO dweebs that use no tacits to the influx of 12 year olds who insist of shooting chutes. Im gonna pull a quote off Delta six's website under "Etiquette of air combat."
"As I've said, here recently I've seen some things that make me cringe at the thought of someone doing something that doesn't sit well with most people. During WW2 several hundred pilots actually killed men in parachutes. To me this is the gravest of dishonors; the man has been removed as a threat, he has no real weapons [maybe a pistol] yet you still insist on killing him. There is no reason for it, and certainly no honor in it, yet some still insist on shooting a man in a chute.
As in any war, there are rules. None official but damn near every pilot follows them just to be fair. Fairness in battle might seem odd to most but in several hundred cases it has happened. I won't list any of them here, but I will give you some general rules to fly by in order to keep all things fair.
1. Never shoot a man in a parachute. He's already given up, is most likely scared, confused, and worried so don't kill him. If he dies in the aircraft then he dies, but never shoot a man in a chute. The only exception to this is if you see a pilot killing people in chutes you may outright kill him for lack of respect. In a flight sim, all you do is get him back in the tower faster. This means if he bails out at 15,000 feet and you kill him, he'll be back up shooting at you in a few minutes. So leaving him in his chute actually helps you by keeping him floating down and not in the cockpit of a fighter.
2. If you see a heavily damaged plane don't attack it. The pilot is trying to find a place to ditch, and also trying to keep his machine in the air so don't kill him for it. The universal sign for a damaged aircraft [or one low on gas] is landing gear being lowered. If you see a plane blowing smoke with the gear down the pilot is trying to survive, and maybe save his machine so he's not going to attack. If he does attack he deserves to be shot down.
3. Aircraft that are trying to land are NOT targets by any definition of the word. Aircraft that are taking off are considered by some [not me] to be fair targets. If a pilot is trying to land leave him alone. He won't try to kill you on a landing approach, so don't go after him when he's low and slow.
4. If you happen across a damaged aircraft flying home, don't fire. Again the pilot is trying to save his life and maybe his machine so don't kill the man. I've actually escorted enemy pilots of damaged aircraft home before, and I've been thanked for it on several occasions. This common courtesy is extended by some pilots, but others just want the kill and shoot first. If you want to be killed outright this is a good way to go, because after word gets back that the aircraft you nailed was damaged there's gonna be hell to pay.
5. Ramming another plane will get you killed by everyone very quickly. Collisions happen in dogfights, and pilots understand this. But to intentionally ram another aircraft is not only a cheap way to gain a kill, it makes you more enemies than you'd ever imagine. I've collided with other aircraft, and on every occasion we understood each other; by the time we'd figured out that we were going to collide we already hit. So don't fly too close in formation, and don't try to get the best angle on a shot when you're very close. You just might hit the guy.
Sorry about that"
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I feel very strongly about Lamos and Dweebs who pull stupid stunts like this. I believe you (the perp) to be a 12 year old child who has no sense of honor and humility. I think your mommy and daddy should have done a better job of raising you.
Each and everytime im killed in a chute you better believe that i will pitch a bitsh over channel 1. And i really dont care what yall think of me when i do it. And if it is a rise your looking for outta me, killing my poor defensless chute is an easy way to get me to RAZZ you over ch 1. SO DONT DO IT. its not kewl
And here is a special message to STURMER and that DMD fellow who chose to MAKE IT THEIR BUISNESS when i was calling out for the dude who killed my chute. Defending chute killers and HOers makes you just as arrogant and dishonorable as the chute killers and hoers. I have NO respect for you whatsoever or anyone who pulls schitt like this. Squelch me if you want, you just temper my resolve that much more. And you can expect alot more mouth outta me if you do so. So ill remind you dweebs one more time....
MIND YA OWN FREEKIN BUISNESS and there will be no problems.
One thing i can say about the MA is there is no honor or very little at any rate. I can be mouthy or i can simply start shooting EVERY GD CHUTE I SEE. This would put me down on your level and i would be no better then you (the chute killer). Does it make you feel big? special? I have a feeling that once you BALLS drop you youngans will figure it out eventually. Some of us take this game way to seriously, but what else do we have if we want to experience WW2? nothing
Learn to respect your fellow pilots and not pick fights (killing chutes is fighting words) Stop this newbie dweebish BS and when someone is pisstoff about their chute being shot at by an F4U, if your not the PERP either stay outta it or be supportive. If its nona beezwax then dont open your ckskr.
Point: dont wanna hear us whine? dont want to read fights over ch1? then dont do stupid schitt like this and dont open yer mouth when your valuable effin opinion is not asked for. Also, if chute killin is that much fun perhaps ill start killin your chutes and ill hear YOU whine. It aint gonna take much more for me to go onna rampage in the MA about this crap. So be warned and cut it out, its not shway and it shows your true mental state. As for my mental state...its justa about gone and holding back is something im not used to doing.
turnabouts is fairplay you chute killers have been warned and i am keeping a tally so you better hope i dont shoot ya down cause i will kill your chute as a matter of selfish revenge. And to anyone who thinks its funny to razz someone pistoff about it heres a nice big FU in advance.
to everyone else who is respectable please forgive the profanity as i am pretty upset about all this crap
:aok
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Here yah go....I posted this in another thread where arena "honor" came up.........
"The MA is designed as a place for free-form gameplay. You want to be the white knight and always fight with honor??? Go for it. It is allowed. You want to be one of the guys in black hats??? Go for it. THAT is the point of the MA. Attempts to inject the MA game with a Moral Code are pointless (as they should be). I, personally, do not want HTC or anyone else tellling me how I have to play the game. I have played games like that before.... BORING!.
Honor and respect in the game are given to those that earn them. This is as it should be."
Have a nice day. :aok
BTW...who the hell is "Delta Six"?
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Originally posted by Zosma
Point: dont wanna hear us whine? dont want to read fights over ch1? then dont do stupid schitt like this and dont open yer mouth when your valuable effin opinion is not asked for. Also, if chute killin is that much fun perhaps ill start killin your chutes and ill hear YOU whine. It aint gonna take much more for me to go onna rampage in the MA about this crap. So be warned and cut it out, its not shway and it shows your true mental state. As for my mental state...its justa about gone and holding back is something im not used to doing.
turnabouts is fairplay you chute killers have been warned and i am keeping a tally so you better hope i dont shoot ya down cause i will kill your chute as a matter of selfish revenge. And to anyone who thinks its funny to razz someone pistoff about it heres a nice big FU in advance.
[size=8]ROFL!!![/size]
Point: I think most who act "dishonorably" not only don't care if their victim whines .... they look forward to it.
Point: I think most who act "dishonorably" don't care if their victims threaten to do the same in return .... if they can.
Welcome to Ace's High. This ain't "Red Baron." :D
FU back. :aok
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It's not a "man in a parachute", it's a bunch of pixels. If you don't want to die in your chute, ride it in like a man.
Damn, this is motivating. I haven't played AH in a month, but am going to log into the main and do nothing but kill chutes.
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Zosma--
If they're gonna be asses, they're gonna be asses. Don't turn around and shoot their chutes, what does that gain you? Lots of people in the MA are lame--it's too bad, but there you are. Avoid them and don't let it get under your skin. :)
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ooooooooOOOOOOooooOOOOOooOOOO Oh!
Does he really get this worked up about shoot chuting?
Nothing like painting a bullseye on yourself!
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Will the whine Cliff's Notes be coming out soon?
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Originally posted by mold
Zosma--
If they're gonna be asses, they're gonna be asses. Don't turn around and shoot their chutes, what does that gain you? Lots of people in the MA are lame--it's too bad, but there you are. Avoid them and don't let it get under your skin. :)
Good attitude. It won't save you from getting vulched or your chute shot or anything .... but hey .... it will probably keep ya from having a stroke while playing AH. The only good reason not to shoot a chute is practical not moral.
Limited ammo. :D
As Junior Samples would say ....
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I'm still trying to figure out why anyone cares if they get shot in the chute.
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Yet everyone does.
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If a pilot bails in combat he may be removed as a threat for the moment. However if he lands successfully and gets home he could be back shooting at you tomorrow. He is also a highly trained, therefore expensive, enemy asset. I would disappointed if my troops (assuming I ever get my programme to take over the world rolling) DIDN'T shoot pilots or aircrew in their chutes.
War isn't tiddlywinks and discussions of moral and ethical behaviour when someone is trying to kill you probably don't rate much processing time in the brain of the average potential victim.
I like trying to shoot the bailers before their chute opens. Takes skill that does. Limited ammo?? Who cares. It's a game. Land or die it's still the same and you get to go back up and waste more ammo.
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Originally posted by palef
War isn't tiddlywinks and discussions of moral and ethical behaviour when someone is trying to kill you probably don't rate much processing time in the brain of the average potential victim.
Palef is one of our secret "internet generals" who is using AH as a recruiting ground for future combat soldiers. All of you will soon be drafted at gunpoint and will be thrown in the air force to utilize your shoot chuting skills to destroy our enemies, and your forensic skills to bore our prisoners to death.
"I got it from Space Invaders in 1977."
"Aw, yeah. That was a pretty addictive video game."
"Video game?"
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IN!
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Too bad Rude stopped the "whine of the week" series.
F'kin cherries. :rofl
Hey, someone find the post that one of the FDB's made of a pilot getting shot up in his chute... that was classic!
Oh, and if you find me in the silk, please by all means feel free to strafe to your heart's content. See, I learned a long time ago that this is a game and whether I'm getting shot in my chute or banged by 50 rooks on Sunday night Its all in fun. Maybe it takes more than a 12 year old mentality and proper parental upbringing to realize that, something YOU are missing perhaps?
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Originally posted by Zosma
Point: dont wanna hear us whine? dont want to read fights over ch1? then dont do stupid schitt like this
Counterpoint: A lot of people shoot chutes just to hear you squeel.
and dont open yer mouth when your valuable effin opinion is not asked for.
What a coincidence.
LMAO.
This is either a troll, or "Post of the year"
-Sik
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if its a troll its got good boquet; if its not, a few old terms come to mind:
waaaa
sniff
boo hoo
i'm gonna tell my mommy
my dad's bigger than yours
me and my for brothers....
i'm taking my toys and goin home
oh yea, well your ugly..
etc etc
Honor? in a game? ok, perhaps. Getting mad about it? ROFL! har har har. :lol
ever notice that after they shoot your chute, you are actually still alive?
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*Jots down Zosma in "Strings to Pull" notebook*
:aok
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why don't my trolls last this long? (lookin' at Skuzzy)
U know that HTC condones chute shootin' cuz they took the time to find that squishy sound effect when your body becomes cannon fodder. So, if it's good enough for HTC, it's good enough for me.
STEVE commented: I'm still trying to figure out why anyone cares is the get shot in the chute.
I think the score and k/d potatos are the ones that really give a damn about being shot. But, that's just a guess. :D
TBolt
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Originally posted by mold
Palef is one of our secret "internet generals" who is using AH as a recruiting ground for future combat soldiers. All of you will soon be drafted at gunpoint and will be thrown in the air force to utilize your shoot chuting skills to destroy our enemies, and your forensic skills to bore our prisoners to death.
"I got it from Space Invaders in 1977."
"Aw, yeah. That was a pretty addictive video game."
"Video game?"
;)
lol
Busted.
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Don't kill-steal by shooting at falling wrecks
Don't whine on channel 1 when you die
That's about it
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By all means escort my shot up plane back to base. The most nobel position being D300 co-alt on my 12 please.
Charon
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The original poster glosses over the most dishonorable act of all in the MA: Bailing out of an airplane. The plane that has served as your life blood is just abandoned to meet it's fate all by itself while the pilot that got the poor plain into the prediciment seems to think bailing out and sparing himself is a "noble" concept.
It's not noble, it's cowardice. Failure to ride your true love into the ground is all that encapsulates suck. If the plane you're flying is not you're true love... then you are a lying sack of **** that deserves to be shot in whatever icon highlights you.
MiniD
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I dont have a bail command = no one ever shoots my chute:D
Anton
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while we're on the subject of etiquette...
NEW RULES:
1) don't apologize for "stealing" a kill if the plane you shot up wasn't smoking before you blew it to hell. (Elfie :) )
2) don't assume that everyone else is responsible for watching your six. and, don't b1tch 'n moan because someone else couldn't give you a "check 6" before that low P-47 ripped you a new one. You're SUPPOSED to watch YOUR OWN six. (Sac4 :rolleyes: )
3) Unless your name is HiTeCh or you're voted President of your country, be courteous and take control of only 1 CV at a time; leave the rest to be used by other countrymen. (name withheld)
4) Don't mouth off on channel 1, challenge someone to a duel in the DA; then, take 1 1/2 hours before you finally follow through on your own challenge. (SESharp)
TBolt
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i allways looked at is nothing personel, if thats good enough treatment for me, its good enough treatment for everybody else.:aok
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If anyone should ever catch me in a chute please feel free to blaze away.
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If an action produces a "quality" whine, then it`s worth doing. :D
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The only chutes I don't shoot are those that come out of the big, slow green plane with two engines.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
INTEL 9000 OVERCLKKCED TO A BAJILLION TYPE -R
I OVERLOCKED MY NOTHERBAORD FSO NOW THE ROM SPEED IS REALLY HIGH APC-777X
RAM COOLED WITH 9,000,000 OHMS OF HEAT REMOVING AND OVERCLOCKED TO 687MHZ QUINTUPLE BUFFERED
ATI FX 10,0000 OVERCLCOKED TO ATI M20000!!!
I HAVE A POWER PLANT IN MY BACK YARD WHO NEEDS A POWER SUPPLY LOL
HEATSINKING!!!
SOME SOUND CARD WHO CARES LOL SOUIND SUCKS!!!
:rofl
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Uh... what a t**l.
Keep staring at my avatard, thank you... that is all :D
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Originally posted by Montezuma
Don't kill-steal by shooting at falling wrecks
Interesting that you say that. Why not?
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This is so good, it made me register on the BB. Here are a couple of rules for you:
1)If you don't want to die in a chute (which I always thought was a French plane), don't open it. What is the point (your score?)
2)If you don't want to die in a damaged plane, don't lower the gear. Remove the red tag cause when I dive on you at 450 I cannot see your gear, I am not looking for it, and I don't care to look.
3)This is not a rule but here it goes: This is not a real war, there are not real countries, you are not a real pilot in a real plane, and you don't die for real.
PS. Guess what I am shooting at tonight :D
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I'd say that this motivates me to shoot every chute I see, but I pretty much already do that.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Talk about tossing gasoline on an open flame.
I need every damn bullet I can get so I'm no chute threat, but damn if I'm not tempted now.
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turnabouts is fairplay you chute killers have been warned and i am keeping a tally so you better hope i dont shoot ya down cause i will kill your chute as a matter of selfish revenge.
He's makin' a list ... checkin' it twice ... gonna find out who's naughty or nice ... Zosma is coming to town !!
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what zosma! I do all those things.. Are you impuning my honor? Smack! consider that a slap with my glove.. my second will be contacting you second. axes or pistols your choice sir.
lazs
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I don't fly planes with big loads of amo, so can you please tell me what country you are flying for? I don't want to waste amo killing chutes from the wrong country.
Thank you in advance!
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Originally posted by SlapShot
He's makin' a list ... checkin' it twice ... gonna find out who's naughty or nice ... Zosma is coming to town !!
AHHH....ROTFLMAO....OVER AND OVER.....
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Here is an idea for HT. Instead of the plane type tag, use the pilot's name. We will take care of the rest :D :D :D
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Folks shoot chutes? Say it ain't so.
BTW...if you dig realism so much, what's up with the Zosma thingie...Ralph would be more realistic.
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Don't shoot em they get bailed successfully in score.
Shoot em they get killed in score.
I like shooting people who are worried about scoring, people in chutes tend to be very concerned with scoring. Bottom line is - I won't go out of my way to do it, but if convenient I pretty much will always shoot the chute. If I get a channel 1 whine out of it, then I have struck pay dirt.
I don't know where you are getting this "honor" stuff. Maybe watched too many movies? If you read much, you will find War II pilots were VERY concerned about getting shot in their chutes. It happened.
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Originally posted by Montezuma
Don't kill-steal by shooting at falling wrecks
Don't whine on channel 1 when you die
That's about it
That says it all.
Well, that and don't shoot the niki when I call "dibs". ;)
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What's the best aim point for shooting chutes. I swear
I don't think I've ever been able to hit one.
Zosma doesn't seem to be your player id....
Sour
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Originally posted by dedalos
PS. Guess what I am shooting at tonight :D [/B]
At acquireing 4 or 5 posts?
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the best chutes are the ones that are dangling at 18k for some reason. the pilot is on ch1 begging to get shot (near 240 last night). a dozen 163's just circling...not firing..."let 'em hang."
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Zosma, most kill chutes just to make you mad. Don't let them get to you :) Intentionally angering people is wrong imo and shows a lack of maturity. When your chute gets shot just know that it was a jerk and leave it at that :)
Several people have stated that instead of bailing when your plane is shot up, to just ride it in like a man. :rofl no *real* man would ride it in if there was any other choice.
And Tbolt....the incident you are referring to from last night.....just as I pulled the triggers on that plane last night I saw the stabs come off (all of them), I let off the triggers immediately but it was to late :o . No stabs is the same as a smoking, burning wreck....he's not going anywhere but down. I will ALWAYS apologize for stealing a kill like that.
I will personally bail from my plane when it is no longer flyable. This is a simulation of air combat, and in real air combat real pilots did just that. If someone does shoot my chute I just get to reup sooner :)
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Originally posted by F4i
the best chutes are the ones that are dangling at 18k for some reason. the pilot is on ch1 begging to get shot (near 240 last night). a dozen 163's just circling...not firing..."let 'em hang."
I was there, and refused to *help* them :rofl :rofl
Wonder how long it took them to float to the ground? :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by mold
Interesting that you say that. Why not?
It's bad form to shoot up someone else's kill. If you kill steal like that from me, don't expect help clearing your 6, cuz I'll just watch you die ;) I will also intentionally kill shooter you at the next opportunity :D
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I hope Zosma isn't a Rook. Ifluff'n he is, I may hafta change sides at least for one night he's on.:D
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Originally posted by Elfie
It's bad form to shoot up someone else's kill. If you kill steal like that from me, don't expect help clearing your 6, cuz I'll just watch you die ;) I will also intentionally kill shooter you at the next opportunity :D
Man, I hate it when someone cuts in front of me into my bullet stream, and I die as a result. That's about the only thing in this GAME that really Pisses me off. Just about anything else I can live with.
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Originally posted by mold
Interesting that you say that. Why not?
It's less a matter of "norms" or "honor" and more a matter of not ****ting where you eat.
Most of the other topics covered in threads like this are designed to provoke the enemy: Shoot Shooting, Vultching, Ganging ect.
But when you rape a corpse on the way down you are provoking those flying with and around you. Who will be in a position to help/not help you in the future.
If I have the inclination, I'll put my plane between them and the enemy for the killshooter :)
-Sik
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Originally posted by slimm50
Man, I hate it when someone cuts in front of me into my bullet stream, and I die as a result. That's about the only thing in this GAME that really Pisses me off. Just about anything else I can live with.
As long as you don't kill steal from me...you don't have to worry about me doing that to you :D
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Sorry Zos, Your an OK guy but your post is just plain G@Y.
I WWII if I saw a chute you bet that bastard would die. If he didn't maybe the next time hes up hed kill me or worse one of my squaddies.
Boyington was known for going to Jap airfields and vulching them as they took off or were climbing out.
Yeager got his first 262 while it was trying to land.
I agree with you ramming is lame but it happens. The best defense against this is avoid the HO. I wish I could practice what I preach here tho 8).
Your notion of Camelot in A2A combat is dead and has been since WWI.
Yeah this is a game so all the more reason this is a silly post.
Nice try tho.
I like slappy’s view of chute shooting – If he’s hanging out as a spy shootem. If he’s high let him think about it all the way down. I add, if I’m in the mood to see that nice explosion – I shoot em 8).
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Originally posted by Elfie
It's bad form to shoot up someone else's kill. If you kill steal like that from me, don't expect help clearing your 6, cuz I'll just watch you die ;) I will also intentionally kill shooter you at the next opportunity :D
Don't worry Elfie. I of course understand that. My reason for asking the question was to get the poster thinking about why he makes that rule for himself. :) Other than that, just admiring the train of tulips here, and what a beautiful lot they are! :D
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Originally posted by Sikboy
But when you rape a corpse on the way down you are provoking those flying with and around you. Who will be in a position to help/not help you in the future.
I see. So the only reason you don't steal kills is to save yourself from getting killed in the future. Correct? I mean, otherwise, provoking the other guy is good, right? Really, who cares which "country" he belongs to, yours or the others. ;)
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Originally posted by mold
I see. So the only reason you don't steal kills is to save yourself from getting killed in the future. Correct?
Not at all. I dont rape corpses because I don't find it fun.
I'm just pointing out why those who do find it fun might want to reconsider.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Not at all. I dont rape corpses because I don't find it fun.
Do you chute shoots?
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Careful, Sikboy! He's slowly building a case to show how you observe common courtesy in an online game! Flee! Run! Don't fall for his tricky, leading logic!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Careful, Sikboy! He's slowly building a case to show how you observe common courtesy in an online game! Flee! Run! Don't fall for his tricky, leading logic!
Hey, weren't you slain already? Back to your cursed tomb, vile undead filth! :D
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Careful, Sikboy! He's slowly building a case to show how you observe common courtesy in an online game! Flee! Run! Don't fall for his tricky, leading logic!
-- Todd/Leviathn
Why wouldn't you observe common courtesy in an online game? Each and every plane/gv you see is manned by a *real* person. Each of our fellow human beings deserves respect (until they prove otherwise). There is really no valid reason why we all can't play nice. What Zosma's post really boils down to is playing nice. The majority of us are adults, so we know how to play nice. Some just choose not to.
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Originally posted by mold
Do you chute shoots?
I fly the Yak9. Even if I wanted to shoot a chute, I don't have the ammo for it.
But no, I don't find shooting chutes to be all that fun in either case. I've probably done it in the past on the "check 6" doctrine though.. I don't recall. I think you could look that up on the score page though.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Sikboy
I think you could look that up on the score page though.
OMG, I just looked, and I have a 0/4 K/D against Chutes for this year! Bastards! That's it, every one of you ****ers is going down! lol.
-Sik
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OMG, Sweet it is in the stats!!!!!!
I have to start shooting more chutes and get that number up!:D
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Well Sikboy, looks like you only have fun if you are behaving honorably.
! I am the same way. :)
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The collision modeling so we can RAM 'chutes. If you're not supposed to shoot 'em, why do they call 'em 'chutes?
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Originally posted by mold
Other than that, just admiring the train of tulips here, and what a beautiful lot they are! :D
Don't take it personal, lil red caboose. On second thought ... eh ... go ahead. ;)
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Originally posted by Elfie
Why wouldn't you observe common courtesy in an online game? Each and every plane/gv you see is manned by a *real* person. Each of our fellow human beings deserves respect (until they prove otherwise). There is really no valid reason why we all can't play nice. What Zosma's post really boils down to is playing nice. The majority of us are adults, so we know how to play nice. Some just choose not to.
"Pardon me, old boy, but would you mind too terribly much if I shoot some bullets your way with the intent of rendering your plane no longer airworthy?"
"Not at all, chap. As a matter of fact I may shoot some back at you ... if you don't mind, in return."
"By all means, sir."
(By which time Arlo has already stitched them both and is coming back for their chutes)
;)
Pip pip!
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Originally posted by mold
Hey, weren't you slain already? Back to your cursed tomb, vile undead filth! :D
Um, no. But it's good to see that you've chalked that one up in the win column despite your embarrassing show.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Elfie
Why wouldn't you observe common courtesy in an online game? Each and every plane/gv you see is manned by a *real* person. Each of our fellow human beings deserves respect (until they prove otherwise). There is really no valid reason why we all can't play nice. What Zosma's post really boils down to is playing nice. The majority of us are adults, so we know how to play nice. Some just choose not to.
Here we go again. Do I need to explain yet again why shooting chutes is not a violation of "common courtesy" in a game designed to allow for and, in fact, promotes such activities?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Hey! How about all them players that have been banned for chute shooting, vulching, HOing, gang-banging, runway bombing a kills stealing?! Huh?! How about them???!!!!!
Oh wait ....
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By which time Arlo has already stitched them both and is coming back for their chutes
I've seen your aim Arlo, they're safe ;)
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Originally posted by TheManx
I've seen your aim Arlo, they're safe ;)
Ahhhh .... you must mean the old "Logitech Arlo." :D ;) :rolleyes: :lol
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Originally posted by mold
Well Sikboy, looks like you only have fun if you are behaving honorably. ! I am the same way. :)
That's not entirely true. You see, I'm a Cherry Picker. If I had to guess, I'd say that 75% of my kills come from flying near furballs, and picking off the stragglers from the edges. These poor bastards are flying along, trying desperately to kill the target in front of them. They usually don't even see me until it's too late.
Not much honor in that. But the heart races when you realise they don't see you. And the satisfaction when they pop... mmmmm.
-Sik
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On a bad night sometimes it helps if you fly really fast back and forth through a furball. Proxies don't get ya points but everyone is as impressed with them in a buffer kill message as they are vulch or camping streaks. :lol
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(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid75/p6dd1cd9d763a18bfeb088d471176be47/fb4fac88.jpg)
I don't have the bail command mapped. I am not a pantie waste..
I take it like a man and ride her in.
If I see a pantie waste, and it's convienent ??
I shoot them till they pop because they disgust me..
Wussie touchy feeley pantie wastes..
That about covers it.
Continue.
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My dream is to have 200 different .ahf files of shoots exploding. 180 to go.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Here we go again. Do I need to explain yet again why shooting chutes is not a violation of "common courtesy" in a game designed to allow for and, in fact, promotes such activities?
-- Todd/Leviathn
Alllows for yes, promotes? I doubt that. I think HiTech left that part up to us.
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Originally posted by Elfie
Alllows for yes, promotes? I doubt that. I think HiTech left that part up to us.
And how does this make chute shooting discourteous exactly? Just because people whine about it doesn't make it unacceptable or lacking in common courtesy. What one calls cold-hearted anti-social behavior, I call clutter removal, situational awareness booster, and target practice.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Ha ! I've not 'flown' for many years now. But threads like these bring back fond memories.
Here's a toast to the Zosmas of this world. That they may live in the virtual world forever. That future virtual pilots may kill their sorry tulips hanging from the silk over and over for many years to come. And may their pityful whining be our glorious reward, for ever and ever.
Amen.
:aok
Immel
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Here we go again. Do I need to explain yet again why shooting chutes is not a violation of "common courtesy" in a game designed to allow for and, in fact, promotes such activities?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Alllows for yes, promotes? I doubt that. I think HiTech left that part up to us.
Originally posted by Elfie
Alllows for yes, promotes? I doubt that. I think HiTech left that part up to us.
LOL. Speaking of promotions...imagine the whines after we shoot chutes in AH2 - T.O.D. :rolleyes:
"Waaaa...I lost my promotion to 2nd Lt 'cuz you shot defenseless little me in my silk." :lol
TBolt
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Originally posted by Sikboy
That's not entirely true. You see, I'm a Cherry Picker. If I had to guess, I'd say that 75% of my kills come from flying near furballs, and picking off the stragglers from the edges.
Oh, good. Gotta get rid of that stigma of honor. :) Really, if you like cherry picking, give kill-stealing a try. Those flaming wrecks can move in the damndest ways! I'm sure it would be fun, and a challenge! What do you say?
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Um, no. But it's good to see that you've chalked that one up in the win column despite your embarrassing show.
OOOOoooooOOOOOoooooOOOOhhh... .that was pretty harsh! :lol I hope I'm not getting under your skin? Hey as long as you're back here, you can answer that question I had for you. Do you the other player after a good fight?
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
And how does this make chute shooting discourteous exactly? Just because people whine about it doesn't make it unacceptable or lacking in common courtesy. What one calls cold-hearted anti-social behavior, I call clutter removal, situational awareness booster, and target practice.
Looks like the discussion is moving forward! Good for you, Leviathn. That's a great question. But you're getting ahead of the class here. Before we get to that, do you agree that common courtesy has a place in the game? Without that, we can't move forward to this brave new world. :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Don't take it personal, lil red caboose.
Don't worry, I won't. ;) You can shoot my chute anytime, lover. :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
[size=8]ROFL!!![/size]
Point: I think most who act "dishonorably" not only don't care if their victim whines .... they look forward to it.
Point: I think most who act "dishonorably" don't care if their victims threaten to do the same in return .... if they can.
Welcome to Ace's High. This ain't "Red Baron." :D
FU back. :aok
In Red Baron we didn't have chutes.....just rode those suckers in....
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You'd think there'd be something about dogfighting in a thread titled like this one.. Chutes can maneuver now?
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Originally posted by mold
OOOOoooooOOOOOoooooOOOOhhh....that was pretty harsh! :lol I hope I'm not getting under your skin? Hey as long as you're back here, you can answer that question I had for you. Do you the other player after a good fight?
Getting under my skin? Of course not. This is an online forum that hardly merits that sort of emotional attachment. Sorry to disappoint.
Here's a question back at you... what do you think I do after a fight?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by mold
Before we get to that, do you agree that common courtesy has a place in the game? Without that, we can't move forward to this brave new world. :D
As senility sets in for you, perhaps it's time to refresh your memory on what I've consistently stated on this matter. Here's a quote from the other thread:
Dead Man Flying:You're going to have to deal with the fact that vulching does not represent a breach of moral conduct, or you're going to grow tired quickly by your righteous indignance at every instance of it. It's not a matter of showing "dignity" in a game, because it's part of the game itself. What many of us already understand and you somehow fail to grasp is that vulching or chute shooting or gangbanging or whatever are no less dignifed than fast breaks in basketball or powerplays in hockey. It's absolutely ridiculous to attribute moral weight to it.
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In other words, the activities that you consider subhuman breaches of common courtesy are not. They're parts of the game that exist outside of "honor" or "common courtesy." Do I now have to connect the dots for you on this one, or do you think you can do it yourself?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
And how does this make chute shooting discourteous exactly? Just because people whine about it doesn't make it unacceptable or lacking in common courtesy. What one calls cold-hearted anti-social behavior, I call clutter removal, situational awareness booster, and target practice.
-- Todd/Leviathn
You have already beaten him by killing his machine. Shooting his chute just adds an insult. Those that kill the chute just to add the insult need to grow up.
Like YOU need target practice Leviathn, give me a break :rofl
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
In Red Baron we didn't have chutes.....just rode those suckers in....
But we sure saluted the hell outa each other's burning wreckage and the word "honor" was bandied about alot. Then there were the ones who got all twisted outa shape when a salute wasn't returned and had flat out fits in the buffer over it while they were showing us all what honor really meant. ;)
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Here's a question back at you... what do you think I do after a fight?
-- Todd/Leviathn
Shag sheep! Hell ... that was easy. Oh wait ... you weren't askin' me. :lol
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Originally posted by Elfie
Those that kill the chute just to add the insult need to grow up.
Irony alert! Irony alert![/size]
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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I think it would be funny if HiTech made chutes unkillable. Imagine the whines we would hear from all the dedicated chute killers :D
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If you think. The nature of the two respective groups in question tends to dispute your theory. ;) You keep truckin', tho. :aok
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Originally posted by Arlo
But we sure saluted the hell outa each other's burning wreckage and the word "honor" was bandied about alot. Then there were the ones who got all twisted outa shape when a salute wasn't returned and had flat out fits in the buffer over it while they were showing us all what honor really meant. ;)
hehe forgot about the saluting thingy...did get kinda out of hand and everyone did get sort of miffed if you killed them and didn't do the whole salute song and dance - thank god it didn't carry over to ww2 sims!!
Ahem my personal favourite was S! Dulce et Decorum est Pro Patria Mori....
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I want a new chute death animation for when you die you go limp like in FB not a boom like we have now and maybe puffs of blood when you get hit in the chute.
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Originally posted by Elfie
You have already beaten him by killing his machine. Shooting his chute just adds an insult. Those that kill the chute just to add the insult need to grow up.
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What does one stand to lose by having his chute shot? Points? Pride? On the contrary, I say that it's those who whine about being shot in their virtual parachutes who need to think about growing up.
Like YOU need target practice Leviathn, give me a break
Hey, it's not like I'm waisting a whole lot of ammo when I've got 1400 rounds of .303 to spare. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Here's a question back at you... what do you think I do after a fight?
After a good fight, I think that you might salute the guy or group you were fighting, if you have a few seconds to spare. Do you, or have you never done this before? ;) Oh, here's another question for you: do you steal kills? Don't be shy, you can tell us. :)
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
In other words, the activities that you consider subhuman breaches of common courtesy are not. They're parts of the game that exist outside of "honor" or "common courtesy." Do I now have to connect the dots for you on this one, or do you think you can do it yourself?
That's right! You should know that cutting in front of line at your local supermarket is perfectly legal, and I encourage you all to participate in this fun activity! I guarantee that you will generate whines from doing this, in fact you will get far more whine generation per minute than chute shooting! :rofl
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
On the contrary, I say that it's those who whine about being shot in their virtual parachutes who need to think about growing up.
That's true, it is also important to not let tulips affect you. But wait, are you telling other people how they should behave? In a computer game, where behavior doesn't matter? How dare you!
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Originally posted by mold
Oh, here's another question for you: do you steal kills? Don't be shy, you can tell us. :)
Err .... kinda buting in ..... but ....
Define "Kill stealing." Hell, some players act like the seagulls in "Finding Nemo" whenever they see an enemy in icon range.
"MINE!MINE!MINE!MINE!MINE!"
Some players think if they've been chasing and missing a plane for over a minute and someone comes in and finally plugs the guy that they had a kill "stolen" from them.
Hell .... even if the plane's missing parts but it's still flying and shooting, I feel no particular compulsion to not put bullets into it in order to keep from offending the dweeb chasing and spraying and just as likely to auger during the fight as he is to finish off his opponent.
Just want to see what you think "kill stealing" is before you decide to continue to endless pursue this line of attack on poor `ol Todd. ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
Err .... kinda buting in .....
You comments are always welcome. Sarcasm mode temporarily off. :)
Originally posted by Arlo
Define "Kill stealing." Hell, some players act like the seagulls in "Finding Nemo" whenever they see an enemy in icon range.
"MINE!MINE!MINE!MINE!MINE!"
Some players think if they've been chasing and missing a plane for over a minute and someone comes in and finally plugs the guy that they had a kill "stolen" from them.
Hell .... even if the plane's missing parts but it's still flying and shooting, I feel no particular compulsion to not put bullets into it in order to keep from offending the dweeb chasing and spraying and just as likely to auger during the fight as he is to finish off his opponent.
That's a very reasonable description of what is and what is not kill stealing. It is the same one I use.
Originally posted by Arlo
Just want to see what you think "kill stealing" is before you decide to continue to endless pursue this line of attack on poor `ol Todd. ;)
LOL :D Don't worry bout him, he is being pursued only by honor-ridden retards and idiots like yours truly. Surely he can defend himself from such vermin with ease. A Hurri I has as much chance of catching a Pony. :D
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Todd is an ass? I had no idea. Excellent Todd! Welcome, my friend. :)
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When I see a countryman all over a con, I figure he has situation at hand. I proceed to find a bogey of my own usually.
Nothing like finding a con, seeing he has advantage, working away his advantage while the fight slows & drops alt, working around on his 6, gaining his 6, hes not a threat to anyone now, then one of the "ME" generation guys comes through @ 350MPH swoopping in from 10k & blasts him. or worse dives in front of your line of fire.
Of course the guys that do that move always have some lame excuse for doing it. They are typically extremely selfish & don't care about you, or anyone but themselves.
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On the contrary, I say that it's those who whine about being shot in their virtual parachutes who need to think about growing up.
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True, there is no need to whine about being killed.
People seem to think that just because this is a game on the internet that behavior doesn't matter. Just because this is the internet doesn't excuse bad behavior.
How many of you intentionally go out of your way to anger/irritate people irl?
You have not answered a question Leviathn.
Should common courtesy exist in a computer game?
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Originally posted by mold
After a good fight, I think that you might salute the guy or group you were fighting, if you have a few seconds to spare. Do you, or have you never done this before? ;)
i never bought into the whole faux thing. if i had a good fight vs 1 or maybe 2 i might toss out a smiley or a simple "fun".
if i went up vs 3 or more, i refuse to reward such *unsporting* and *dishonorable* gangbanging with even that, win or lose. they get a "lol, lamers" from me, win or lose.
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Originally posted by Elfie
Why wouldn't you observe common courtesy in an online game? Each and every plane/gv you see is manned by a *real* person. Each of our fellow human beings deserves respect (until they prove otherwise). There is really no valid reason why we all can't play nice.
Asking others to play nice in a game where the main object is to shoot down the other guys is pretty laughable.
ack-ack
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I kill chutes for the same reason I refuse to refill the tp after emptying the roll: Just to hear a woman scream.
The trouble is, hardly anyone *****es about being shot in a chute anymore... and the wife has started checking before sitting down.
It's the little things that matter,
MiniD
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Originally posted by Shane
i never bought into the whole faux thing. if i had a good fight vs 1 or maybe 2 i might toss out a smiley or a simple "fun".
if i went up vs 3 or more, i refuse to reward such *unsporting* and *dishonorable* gangbanging with even that, win or lose. they get a "lol, lamers" from me, win or lose.
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Man that used to piss me off ... now I understand why ... It takes awhile.
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By "takes a while"... do you mean 1 tour?
MiniD
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Originally posted by Shane
i never bought into the whole faux thing. if i had a good fight vs 1 or maybe 2 i might toss out a smiley or a simple "fun".
This amounts to the same thing, with different words. ;)
Originally posted by Shane
if i went up vs 3 or more, i refuse to reward such *unsporting* and *dishonorable* gangbanging with even that, win or lose. they get a "lol, lamers" from me, win or lose.
oooh, dishonorable. :D Actually, I'll give em an , unless it's a bunch of slavering overtakers struggling to pad their score.
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Originally posted by mold
After a good fight, I think that you might salute the guy or group you were fighting, if you have a few seconds to spare. Do you, or have you never done this before?
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Of course. And remarkably, what you think you're building into a coup de gras statement about my hypocrisy merely demonstrates your inability to grasp what it is I've been saying all along.
Oh, here's another question for you: do you steal kills? Don't be shy, you can tell us.
Nope. I don't need to, though I'm amused when others do it to me. Amused, mind you, and not outraged.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by mold
That's right! You should know that cutting in front of line at your local supermarket is perfectly legal, and I encourage you all to participate in this fun activity! I guarantee that you will generate whines from doing this, in fact you will get far more whine generation per minute than chute shooting! :rofl
Yet another amazingly poor analogy. Explain to me how shopping for groceries in any way approximates a game where the entire purpose is to shoot down opposing players? Aces High is, by definition, a zero-sum game with activities centered around gaining by others losing.
So a better analogy to grocery shopping would be shopping for eggs, milk, and deli meat. These are the things you do in a grocery store. And vulching, gangbanging, and chute shooting are the sorts of things you do in a game like Aces High.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Yet another amazingly poor analogy. Explain to me how shopping for groceries in any way approximates a game where the entire purpose is to shoot down opposing players? Aces High is, by definition, a zero-sum game with activities centered around gaining by others losing.
So a better analogy to grocery shopping would be to shopping for eggs, milk, and deli meat. These are the things you do in a grocery store. And vulching, gangbanging, and chute shooting are the sorts of things you do in a game like Aces High.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Then again ... how many of us have gone shopping in South Chicago or East L.A.?
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Originally posted by mold
That's true, it is also important to not let tulips affect you. But wait, are you telling other people how they should behave? In a computer game, where behavior doesn't matter? How dare you!
What's funny is that you seem to actually think this was a killer statement pointing out the hypocrisy of my ways. Alas, all it shows is your inability to understand even rudimentary arguments.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Steve
Todd is an ass? I had no idea. Excellent Todd! Welcome, my friend. :)
:D
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Amused, mind you, and not outraged.
Prezactly .... and that's the whole subtle point. :D
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Originally posted by Elfie
You have already beaten him by killing his machine. Shooting his chute just adds an insult. Those that kill the chute just to add the insult need to grow up.
Like YOU need target practice Leviathn, give me a break :rofl
I have some basic rules concerning shooting parachutes. There are some circumstances when killing a chute is appropriate.
1) When an enemy bails out over a friendly field (all spys must die).
2) When an enemy bails out near a friendly field (see above).
3) When an enemy bails out over his field (to expedite vulching).
4) When an enemy whines about being shot down (to provide a imagined valid reason to whine).
5) When an enemy bails out and opens his chute at high altitude, but wait till he's about 500 ft above ground level (let him enjoy the AH landscape).
6) Just for the hell of it.
In all other situations it is completely inappropriate to gun down chutes.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Of course. And remarkably, what you think you're building into a coup de gras statement about my hypocrisy merely demonstrates your inability to grasp what it is I've been saying all along.
Wait, you salute players? What is a salute other than rendering honor unto your opponents? You must be one of those idiot tards who thinks honor is part of this game. :lol
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Nope. I don't need to, though I'm amused when others do it to me. Amused, mind you, and not outraged.
Well, gee, Leviathn, I would think that stealing kills would be good for "clutter removal, situational awareness booster, and target practice". Plus you will get lots of people whining! Not just that, but they will know exactly who you are, and you will get whines directed right at you in the bright green of your country's channel! I can't imagine anything that'd be more fun. What do you say? Will you steal kills now? ;)
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Yet another amazingly poor analogy.
Remember those thingies in the SAT tests? They looked like this:this :: that:that? Those are called a-n-a-l-o-g-i-e-s. Here, let me give you an example to help you out. Leviathn : mold :: God : pond scum. Hope that clears things up for ya. :D
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Explain to me how shopping for groceries in any way approximates a game where the entire purpose is to shoot down opposing players?
Ooh, I'm so flattered! The great Leviathn is asking for my advice. I would be honored to assist you sir. :) Let me begin by asking a question, because it never hurts to be too sure: do you cut in line at the supermarket?
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
What's funny is that you seem to actually think this was a killer statement pointing out the hypocrisy of my ways. Alas, all it shows is your inability to understand even rudimentary arguments.
Oh, Leviathn, how could you insult me so? I thought you loved me! :( I feel...betrayed! :( :( It's not my fault I'm stupid, is it? I was just born that way! :( Please, I beg you, forgive me and enlighten me! Leave me not in my festering pool of ignorance!
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Hehe ... God: pondscum. :lol
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Asking others to play nice in a game where the main object is to shoot down the other guys is pretty laughable.
ack-ack
Why is it laughable? In the board game Monopoly the objective is to bankrupt your opponents, yet we still play nice. Why should an online flight sim be any different in regards to playing nice?
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Originally posted by Widewing
In all other situations it is completely inappropriate to gun down chutes.
My regards,
Widewing
Why?
TBolt
P.S.: You better turn your cheek next time we fly by a chute during a safe rtb. :D
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Yet another amazingly poor analogy. Explain to me how shopping for groceries in any way approximates a game where the entire purpose is to shoot down opposing players? Aces High is, by definition, a zero-sum game with activities centered around gaining by others losing.
It's not a poor analogy. There is no written law that says you can't cut in line. Some will do it, some won't. Many will consider it impolite to do so, some will try to justify it. In Aces High there is nothing that says you can't shoot a chute. Some will do it, some won't.
The most common reason people shoot a chute is to aggravate or annoy the person who is helplessly dangling in their chute.
It is NEVER ok to intentionally anger/annoy/aggravate our fellow human beings. Thats what I mean by playing nice. Some people just can't understand something that simple :)
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Some people are gonna go to their graves annoyed. ;)
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Three pages already...
Spit the hook
Spit the HOOK!
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I cant beileve this thread is still going. The quote from Delta's something or other is a load of wishfull thinking crap.
Years ago, when I started flying.
1) Call of 1v1 was honored
2) Call of bingo ammo might be honored
3) Chute shooting usually at request of the chute (lol)
All that has gone by the wayside at least 5 years ago. Geesh, deal with it.
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Originally posted by afool
Three pages already...
Spit the hook
Spit the HOOK!
Do you shoot the chute, Anton? :D
TBolt
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Originally posted by Elfie
Alllows for yes, promotes? I doubt that. I think HiTech left that part up to us.
If HT didn't want us to shoot chutes, he wouldn't make them with those pretty explosions when you blow them up. Now, if only he added screams to the pilots in their chutes as we blow them up, it would go a long way to make it even more enjoyable than it already is. Hopefully we'll see something like that in AH2, along with an orphanage and a children's hospital in the town that we can destroy.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Elfie
I think it would be funny if HiTech made chutes unkillable. Imagine the whines we would hear from all the dedicated chute killers :D
I'm sure there will be other ways we can make you whine.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Now, if only he added screams to the pilots in their chutes as we blow them up, it would go a long way to make it even more enjoyable than it already is...along with an orphanage and a children's hospital in the town that we can destroy.
ack-ack
Jeez I like the way you think.
If they could all be running from the building as you open up on'um..
WHOOT !!
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The quote is off my site, and I've been waiting a long time for someone to take that bait. :D
Sometimes in H2H you can find an honest 1v1 without dweebling interference. But the odds are about the same as Funked buying a Honda. For the most part, it's a free-for-all even in the MA: everything that can be shot is a valid target. Though if you get caught firing on the sheep HT just might cancel your account.
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Originally posted by F4i
Why?
TBolt
P.S.: You better turn your cheek next time we fly by a chute during a safe rtb. :D
But, that would fall under the "for the hell of it" rule. ;)
My regards,
Widewing
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I think most chute shooting falls under the "for the hell of it" rule.
But I be likin Ack-ack's orphanage thing..
I'd make a POINT of doing that.
..alas the poor children
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Originally posted by Murdr
I cant beileve this thread is still going. The quote from Delta's something or other is a load of wishfull thinking crap.
Years ago, when I started flying.
1) Call of 1v1 was honored
2) Call of bingo ammo might be honored
3) Chute shooting usually at request of the chute (lol)
All that has gone by the wayside at least 5 years ago. Geesh, deal with it.
That kind of gameplay could come back if the players let it. Nothing says it has to stay the same as it is now :)
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I'm sure there will be other ways we can make you whine.
ack-ack
You won't hear me whine if my chute gets shot or if I get gangbanged. Sorry to disappoint you Ack-Ack. :p
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If HT didn't want us to shoot chutes, he wouldn't make them with those pretty explosions
To my knowledge, HiTech has never said why he made the chutes explode when you shoot them. You just assume you know why. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Elfie
That kind of gameplay could come back if the players let it. Nothing says it has to stay the same as it is now :)
Assuming 100% of the players wanted that and not just the 10% (ultra-conservative estimate) that are horribly offended by the discourteousness they are forced to deal with. :D
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Originally posted by Elfie
To my knowledge, HiTech has never said why he made the chutes explode when you shoot them. You just assume you know why. :rolleyes:
Probably for the same reason a pilot who bails out and actually makes it to the ground intact ends up holding a rifle. I figure my assumption is as good as anyone's .... no matter what they're rationalizing.
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Originally posted by mold
Wait, you salute players? What is a salute other than rendering honor unto your opponents? You must be one of those idiot tards who thinks honor is part of this game.
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"Saluting" acknowledges that a fight was fun. We're not actually saluting in a military sense... subhumans don't do that.
There's nothing wrong, incidentally, with civility. What I've been saying all along -- ignored by you all along -- is that activities such as chute shooting, gangbanging, vulching, etc. are not violations of "common courtesy" or any other silly codes of honor. They're parts of an online combat game where geeks blow up pixels operated by other geeks; nothing more, nothing less. I do not expect a salute, and I'm not perturbed when I don't receive one.
Well, gee, Leviathn, I would think that stealing kills would be good for "clutter removal, situational awareness booster, and target practice". Plus you will get lots of people whining! Not just that, but they will know exactly who you are, and you will get whines directed right at you in the bright green of your country's channel! I can't imagine anything that'd be more fun. What do you say? Will you steal kills now? ;)
Whining demonstrates a distinct lack of understanding about how the game actually functions. That's why it's so fun to see guys who've been shot in their chutes squirm and whine because they wrongfully attribute some sort of moral weight to the act of pixel destruction. Hilarious.
And perhaps you didn't read my previous reply on this subject. If you keep asking the same question, you'll keep getting the same answer. Time to move on.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Elfie
To my knowledge, HiTech has never said why he made the chutes explode when you shoot them. You just assume you know why. :rolleyes:
Why that's simple. It's to appeal to the darkside of your mind..
Some of us enjoy strafing chutes after a hard day of work crackin the nut..
Round about beer-thirty THAT'S what I be thinking about.
Screams would be great tho..
Maybe in AH2 they'll scream when you pop them..
I'm hopeful.
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Originally posted by mold
Remember those thingies in the SAT tests? They looked like this:this :: that:that? Those are called a-n-a-l-o-g-i-e-s. Here, let me give you an example to help you out. Leviathn : mold :: God : pond scum. Hope that clears things up for ya. :D
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It's good to see that you understand what an analogy is. Now I wish you'd just demonstrate some aptitude toward creating them. For instance:
Vulching: Aces High :: Shopping for milk: Grocery Store
Vulching is an action commonly found in Aces High and one in which many players engage regularly. By the same token, shopping for milk is an action commonly found in grocery stores in which many shoppers engage regularly.
Tell me, mold, are you angered by people shopping for milk? Hm. Dishonorable subhumans! If you complained about milk shopping, I wonder if the shoppers would point at you and laugh at how stupid you're acting. Guess what? Players in Aces High point and laugh at you when you complain about vulching too!
Ooh, I'm so flattered! The great Leviathn is asking for my advice. I would be honored to assist you sir. :) Let me begin by asking a question, because it never hurts to be too sure: do you cut in line at the supermarket?
Look, faux obsequiousness. Charming, even if you ask leading questions that have no bearing on the subject matter. You really do have a one-track mind.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Elfie
The most common reason people shoot a chute is to aggravate or annoy the person who is helplessly dangling in their chute.
It is NEVER ok to intentionally anger/annoy/aggravate our fellow human beings. Thats what I mean by playing nice. Some people just can't understand something that simple :)
Now it's time to ask yourself why people whose chutes are shot become angry/annoyed/aggravated over it. Is it because the act itself was discourteous or because these people are so score-obsessed or lack a basic understanding of the game dynamics that they become angry/annoyed/aggravated over it when they otherwise shouldn't.
You don't really lose anything when shot in your chute. It's a quick way to replane. Maybe your points or stats suffer a little bit, but so what? Add to that that an overwhelming majority of people who die in their chutes do not complain about it, and you suddenly realize that you are the reason you're angry/annoyed/aggravated, not the person who shot your chute.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Elfie
To my knowledge, HiTech has never said why he made the chutes explode when you shoot them. You just assume you know why. :rolleyes:
Don't be obtuse. In Warbirds, bailers were even given guns to defend themselves against the inevitable attempts to destroy them. HTC went through the trouble of programming chutes as destroyable objects in Aces High and even included them in the aircraft database for kills and deaths. They also expended the programming effort to minimize the target area of chutes by forcing chute shooters to hit the bailers themselves rather than just the parachutes, thus increasing the skill required to bring them down.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I don't shoot chutes (damn that's a mouthful) unless they've taken to the silk without a fight. A good fight acknowledges that courtesy in my opinion. Saying that, I don't honestly mind having my chute killed. It is still a game.
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I think Manx has a good grasp.
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Originally posted by Elfie
To my knowledge, HiTech has never said why he made the chutes explode when you shoot them. You just assume you know why. :rolleyes:
You seem to assume that you came in on the ground floor of air combat sims. This stuff has been going on for like 15 years now and HiTech was involved most of that time. He knows about the chute deal, been there and no doubt done that, and likely chuckled at the resultant whining. I assure you the chutes were made for shooting.
grizzly
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Originally posted by Murdr
I cant beileve this thread is still going. The quote from Delta's something or other is a load of wishfull thinking crap.
Years ago, when I started flying.
1) Call of 1v1 was honored
2) Call of bingo ammo might be honored
3) Chute shooting usually at request of the chute (lol)
All that has gone by the wayside at least 5 years ago. Geesh, deal with it.
Your memory is tainted. The only time honor is bestowed upon another is when they know and/or like each other. There always has been and always will be players that don't choose to honor such requests. And there are those who would be critical of another player even asking for such consideration.
I never called bingo and expected to be spared. Expecting another to grant me a favor after I made a mistake and got into such a fix can be agravating. If I went bingo and the other player had put up a good fight, I'd tell him to take the kill because I'm bingo and fly slow and level. If he let me go I'd thank him, and if he killed me I'd salute him.
Expecting honor isn't honorable, but granting it is.
grizzly
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Originally posted by TheManx
I don't shoot chutes (damn that's a mouthful) unless they've taken to the silk without a fight. A good fight acknowledges that courtesy in my opinion. Saying that, I don't honestly mind having my chute killed. It is still a game.
This is pretty much how I approach chute killing also, except I dont generally take the time to kill the chute. I will take the time to kill a chute who is obviously spying.
My whole point has been that if you do it just to anger or annoy people, thats what is wrong. That's where playing nice comes in. :) The vast majority of us wouldn't think of doing something to intentionally annoy or anger someone irl.
Grizzly, I assume nothing. I started in Air Warrior about 3 years before it was shut down.
Levi....who knows why they get aggravated, angry or whatever. Only each individual could tell us that. Most likely there are as many different reasons as people. :)
Each of us has our hotbuttons, and for each of us they are different. I wouldn't ever knowingly push any of your hotbuttons, or anyone else's for that matter. OTOH, I don't expect mine to be knowingly pushed either :)
btw...I had no idea that Warbirds gave bailers a gun, that might be kinda cool :lol
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Originally posted by Grizzly
I never called bingo and expected to be spared.
grizzly
Only times I call Bingo is in a sucker attempt to get the guy that I'm chasing to turn around and engage. Can't use it all the time because the timid sort will eventually catch on but if you use it sparingly, you can bag a timid dweeb or two every once in awhile.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Grizzly
Your memory is tainted.
Not really, I said bingo might be honored. It was possible. It always depended on who it was, and the situation. My view always was that if you bingoed on me thats your problem. Heck, that was how I expected to survive in a 190 v spit on the deck...run him out of ammo, then run him down.
The only time honor is bestowed upon another is when they know and/or like each other.
Exactly. It may have worked in arenas with 90 people, but expecting the same in an arena with 500, is just silly.
One question though. Why does going to buy milk at the grocery store not=MILKRUNNING
:rolleyes: :) ;) :D
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Originally posted by Elfie
Why is it laughable? In the board game Monopoly the objective is to bankrupt your opponents, yet we still play nice. Why should an online flight sim be any different in regards to playing nice?
Nice one, Elfie. :aok
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Originally posted by Grizzly
Expecting honor isn't honorable, but granting it is.
You got it.
Originally posted by TheManx
I don't shoot chutes (damn that's a mouthful) unless they've taken to the silk without a fight. A good fight acknowledges that courtesy in my opinion. Saying that, I don't honestly mind having my chute killed. It is still a game.
And you do too. :aok
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
There's nothing wrong, incidentally, with civility.
Civility?? In a computer game consisting of a bunch of dots on the screen? Dude, what are you smoking? Don't you realize that there aren't any people in this game? This is just an advanced simulation created for you. :D
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
And perhaps you didn't read my previous reply on this subject. If you keep asking the same question, you'll keep getting the same answer. Time to move on.
Please, don't leave us like this! We are helpless without you!! :D But I think you should give kill-stealing a try. Really, how do you know if it's fun or not if you haven't even tried it yet? It has all the benefits you mentioned of chute shooting, like "clearing up the screen". :lol So why don't you give it a try?
Hey everyone, Leviathn steals kills! What a great guy, eh? Give him a whine for his troubles next time you see him! :D :D
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Vulching: Aces High :: Shopping for milk: Grocery Store
Lookin good, you're getting closer to the mark. ;) Let me make a subtle correction for you.
Dogfighting : AH :: Buying milk : Supermarket
Chute Shooting : AH :: Cutting in Line : Supermarket
I exist only to serve. :D
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Look, faux obsequiousness. Charming, even if you ask leading questions that have no bearing on the subject matter. You really do have a one-track mind.
Awwww, you don't like my faux obsequiousness? But I worked so hard on it! :( :( My obsequiousness has been rejected, and I have no reason to live. :( Please, Leviathn, give me a reason to live by telling me if you cut in line at the supermarket!
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Originally posted by mold
Civility?? In a computer game consisting of a bunch of dots on the screen? Dude, what are you smoking? Don't you realize that there aren't any people in this game? This is just an advanced simulation created for you. :D
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Are you honestly this dense?
Hey everyone, Leviathn steals kills! What a great guy, eh? Give him a whine for his troubles next time you see him! :D :D
What's funny is that all the people here who've flown with me are pointing at you and laughing right about now. At, not with.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by mold
Lookin good, you're getting closer to the mark. ;) Let me make a subtle correction for you.
Dogfighting : AH :: Buying milk : Supermarket
Chute Shooting : AH :: Cutting in Line : Supermarket
I exist only to serve. :D
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Bzzzztttttt! Sorry, the analogy doesn't work. Shall we explain why? Sure! Pay attention now.
Cutting in line is an uncommon practice that few do and most abhor. Vulching is a common practice that most do and few abhor. One is the shocking act of one against the many, the other is the common act of many against the occasionally shocked few. Get it? Obviously not.
So the analogies works more like this:
Dogfighting : AH :: Buying bread : Grocery store
Vulching : AH :: Buying milk : Grocery store
Please, Leviathn, give me a reason to live by telling me if you cut in line at the supermarket!
I can't think of a better reason not to answer that silly question.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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btw Levi, I think I'm about ready to take you to the DA to practice my Hurri vs Spit V. I don't expect to win, but I do expect to get better. :D Can't think of another pilot who is better in the Spit V to practice with, if you are willing to go there to beat me up ;)
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I still say buying milk at the grocery store = milkrunning ;)
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
What's funny is that all the people here who've flown with me are pointing at you and laughing right about now. At, not with.
No!! Say it ain't so!!! :rofl
Oh, BTW, have you started stealing your kills yet? Come on, get cracking! There's still so much "clutter on the screen" and so little "situational awareness". We need your help here to get rid of it! ;)
Hey friends of Leviathn, speak up! I know you're out there! Laugh at me! I'll start the foodfight: You are all a bunch of odiferous fool-born varlots! HAHAHAHAHA!!
But if you insult me, you better watch out, cause...
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_150_1067458238.jpg)
(With apologies to Shane :D )
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I can't think of a better reason not to answer that silly question.
Guffaw!!! Too funny... will he get it at the first read?
Witty, biting... perfectly succinct.... 2 hearty thumbs up!!
More proof that one can slap one's adversary brutally to earth without so much as raising one's voice.
Bravo!!!
clap clap clap clap.......
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Cutting in line is an uncommon practice that few do and most abhor.
Do you abhor it? If so, why? I can't believe we're progressing so quickly! :D
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Originally posted by Elfie
btw Levi, I think I'm about ready to take you to the DA to practice my Hurri vs Spit V. I don't expect to win, but I do expect to get better. :D Can't think of another pilot who is better in the Spit V to practice with, if you are willing to go there to beat me up ;)
Gimme a hollar next time you see me, Elfie. Co-alt, co-E Spit V vs. Hurricane IIC is a tough fight for the Spit. Should be fun. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by mold
No!! Say it ain't so!!! :rofl
The funny thing is that I can just sit back and watch you make an bellybutton out of yourself. I don't even have to try anymore. Way to go! :D
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by mold
Do you abhor it? If so, why? I can't believe we're progressing so quickly! :D
Amazing that you think this is a progression of any sort. You really are rather dimwitted after all.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Murdr
I still say buying milk at the grocery store = milkrunning ;)
What if I changed it to buying bread? :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
What if I changed it to buying bread? :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
Sure:) Just as long as you dont change it to "Pork" or "Eggs" lol :p
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Originally posted by Murdr
Sure:) Just as long as you dont change it to "Pork" or "Eggs" lol :p
This grocery store analogy really works out well, doesn't it? :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Pretty clear then that his internet brain isn't anywhere near the size of his internet member.
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Originally posted by Murdr
Sure:) Just as long as you dont change it to "Pork" or "Eggs" lol :p
:rofl
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Awww, guys, Leviathn is ignoring me. He's afraid to answer the widdle questions. Awwww. :D
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Originally posted by mold
Hey friends of Leviathn, speak up! I know you're out there! Laugh at me!
It's true. I do log onto this thread and laugh at you. Todd is one of the few people whom I will HO/Ram/Gangbang/vlutch if I know that he's the pilot. And if I've justed "dishonored" some other pilot when I thought it was Levi, I'll even apologize. I know that it's the only way I'll ever kill him, and more importantly He know's it too.
There are few (non-Shillelagh) players out there who have helped me out as much as Levi has, and he's always willing to share his knowledge. The fact that in the MA he is typically a model of the very class and courtesy you seem to be espousing is hilarious to me. Yet, because he does not feel that chute shooting or vultching is somehow "dishonorable" you keep humping his ankle.
Too bad DoK isn't around, he could put an end to this all pretty quickly lol.
-Sik
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Originally posted by mold
Awww, guys, Leviathn is ignoring me. He's afraid to answer the widdle questions. Awwww. :D
If the question had relevance to the discussion, I'd answer it. Since it does not, and since you seem incapable of understanding why it does not, then you'll just have to go on thinking I'm ignoring you.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
If the question had relevance to the discussion, I'd answer it. Since it does not, and since you seem incapable of understanding why it does not, then you'll just have to go on thinking I'm ignoring you.
"Your honor, defense objects. The questions are too difficult to answer."
"Objection Overruled. Leviathn, you will answer the questions immediately with no further whining. Why have you not begun stealing kills in light of the whining it will cause; and Do you abhor cutting in line at supermarkets. You will do this or be held in contempt of court."
:D
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Originally posted by Sikboy
It's true. I do log onto this thread and laugh at you.
Hey, Sikboy's back! Did you start stealing kills yet? I'm starting to get the feeling that Leviathn's too much of an honor-bound wuss to do so. Tell me, how did it go? ;)
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Originally posted by mold
Hey, Sikboy's back! Did you start stealing kills yet? I'm starting to get the feeling that Leviathn's too much of an honor-bound wuss to do so. Tell me, how did it go? ;)
No, as mentioned I don't find it particularly fun. It's acceptable in our society to eat brocolli, yet because it does not bring me pleasure to do so, I choose not to. Even with Cheese.
In addition, I don't fly P-47s. I don't JABO, and I don't Drive Tiger Tanks. All of these are acceptable behaviors in AH, which I choose not to engage in, because... I don't find them particulary fun.
-Sik
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Originally posted by mold
"Objection Overruled. Leviathn, you will answer the questions immediately with no further whining.
There's only one person whining in this thread. Hint: It's not me.
I'm guessing you're sort of the obsessive-compulsive type, mold.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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no Mold... he has already answered your "widdle questions" like 15 times. I cant believe that I read this whole thread.
Here's my take on it, for what it is worth.
Different cultures have different "moral values".
For instance, in western civilizations, an individuals life is relatively highly prized (by themselves, at least). Most eastern cultures don't place such a high regard on the individual.
In "real life"... people try not to piss other people off. On the internet, people *actively* try to piss other people off. I can't believe that AH is the only online game you've played, but even if you had surely you've noticed it. Personally speaking, I've been playing games on the internet since I was a kid, and the one constant is that people ENJOY pissing other people off on the internet.
Cheaters in counter-strike (sub in any other FPS)... why do they cheat? Mostly, to piss the other players off. Especially the really obvious cheats- the ones where you KNOW the guy is cheating (speed hack, wall hack, etc). The cheaters that cheat because they want an "edge" would do it as subtly as they possibly could.
You ever play Everquest? Ever try the PvP servers? If so, you know about the "naked Wizard" ganker. Why would anyone play a PvP game just to find hurt people and nuke them and steal their stuff? Because...... (its fun) and.... it pisses other people off. And why choose a naked Wizard? Well.... that way you have nothing at all to lose even if you lose, which pisses people off even more.
You can find parallels in any other online game. Aces High.. why do people vulch? Because it pisses the vulchee off. It has the added bonus if really racking up your score, if you care about that sort of thing. Why steal kills? I think some people do it just because they are stupid and don't realize that planes don't normally flutter down tail first when they are still capable of fighting (etc.)... but other people do it just because it pisses you off. Same for chute shooting.
People don't actively try to piss other people off in real life because there are consequences. You cut in line, you get yelled at, maybe some random cop comes and straightens you out if you make enough of a scene. You cut someone off in traffic, you get in an accident or get a ticket, or both. You talk **** to someone, you lose a couple teeth, etc. You can piss people off all you want on the Internet... because there are no consequences.
On the internet, everyone is 6'10 and 325 lbs of solid muscle.
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Originally posted by Sikboy
No, as mentioned I don't find it particularly fun. It's acceptable in our society to eat brocolli, yet because it does not bring me pleasure to do so, I choose not to. Even with Cheese.
Hmm, but how do you know it's not fun if you haven't tried yet? ;)
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
There's only one person whining in this thread. Hint: It's not me.
That's not whining. It's the sound of the ICBM I sent over to your place. :D
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I'm guessing you're sort of the obsessive-compulsive type, mold.
LOL :D Yeah, you're right. I shouldn't try to convince those who don't want to be convinced. Good news anyway, at least some folks got it. ;) BTW, I'm glad to see that you are a courteous, honorable person, even online. !
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Originally posted by Urchin
In "real life"... people try not to piss other people off. On the internet, people *actively* try to piss other people off.
I wonder, is that a good thing? ;)
Originally posted by Urchin
I've been playing games on the internet since I was a kid, and the one constant is that people ENJOY pissing other people off on the internet.
People very much enjoy pissing other people off in the real world as well. ;) Doesn't necessarily make it a good thing. The internet is not an enabler of pissiness, only a different venue.
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Wait.. I thought you said he is an ass?
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Originally posted by mold
Hmm, but how do you know it's not fun if you haven't tried yet? ;)
I can and do make assesments based on factors other than direct experience. Chasing a falling wreck pumping ammo into it is one of those instances.
-Sik
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Mold, it isnt a good or bad thing, but it is a "culturally acceptable" thing on the internet.
Cultures define their own good or bad. The internet has its own culture (imo). This culture is slightly different from our traditional Christian values Western civ culture. Pissing people off is clearly seen as acceptable to the majority of internet gamers.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Why steal kills? I think some people do it just because they are stupid and don't realize that planes don't normally flutter down tail first when they are still capable of fighting (etc.)... but other people do it just because it pisses you off.
Hey, I just noticed this! This is a good start. I wonder, do you steal kills on a regular basis? Eveyone gather round, mold has a question! How many of you steal kills to piss other people off? Don't be shy, this is a strictly confidential survey. :D
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Originally posted by Steve
Wait.. I thought you said he is an ass?
Oh yeah, that's right. Leviathn, you're an ass!!
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Originally posted by Urchin
Mold, it isnt a good or bad thing, but it is a "culturally acceptable" thing on the internet.
Satanic tribes consider sacrificing virgins on the altar at midnight to be culturally acceptable. ;) Mmmmmmm....sacrificing virgins... Damn, suddenly I feel like shooting some chutes!
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Originally posted by Sikboy
I can and do make assesments based on factors other than direct experience. Chasing a falling wreck pumping ammo into it is one of those instances.
Hey all you asses? Where are you? Bring those haycarts over here, Sikboy needs some more straws to grasp. Hold on Sikboy, help is coming. :D
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Originally posted by mold
Hey all you asses? Where are you? Bring those haycarts over here, Sikboy needs some more straws to grasp. Hold on Sikboy, help is coming. :D
I'm really not sure why you think I need help, or that I'm grasping at straws.
-Sik
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Mold- if some satanic tribe out in New Guinea feels that sacrificing their virgins on some altar is the "right" thing to do - then for them it is.
Just because something isn't "culturally acceptable" in one culture does not mean that that culture has an absolute lock on what is moral and what is immoral.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Mold- if some satanic tribe out in New Guinea feels that sacrificing their virgins on some altar is the "right" thing to do - then for them it is.
Just because something isn't "culturally acceptable" in one culture does not mean that that culture has an absolute lock on what is moral and what is immoral.
So, you're saying then that there are no absolutes? Absolutely?
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Originally posted by Urchin
If some satanic tribe out in New Guinea feels that sacrificing their virgins on some altar is the "right" thing to do - then for them it is.
Hmmm, now that is a VERY interesting position. OK, I am going to define a culture. It is to be applied to a small Pacific Island 200 sq ft in size, whose sole population is me. My culture requires me to kill everyone who lives in the USA. Otherwise I don't get into heaven. So I just killed everyone in the USA. Now everyone else might try to kill me for that, but that is besides the point. I don't care if I die, as long as I do what is required by my "culture". Is my culture right, for me? ;)
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Originally posted by Sikboy
I'm really not sure why you think I need help, or that I'm grasping at straws.
You seem to be afraid of the very thought of kill-stealing. Why not give it a try, just for a little while? :)
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Originally posted by Elfie
Why wouldn't you observe common courtesy in an online game? Each and every plane/gv you see is manned by a *real* person. Each of our fellow human beings deserves respect (until they prove otherwise). There is really no valid reason why we all can't play nice. What Zosma's post really boils down to is playing nice. The majority of us are adults, so we know how to play nice. Some just choose not to.
Hmmm....
Gee let me go find someone to dump my ammo into....nicely:rolleyes:
Pardon me sir, I'm about to shred your sorrya&& nikki but if you somehow manage to survive my initial onslaught simply proceed to ditch your damaged rice rocket....being the good guy I am I'd never think to harm a damaged adversary. ...... NOT:lol
If you dont bail...you wont get shot in your chute.
If you don't lose the fight...you wont get reamed in your semiwrecked plane.
If you want nice...go play with the other preschoolers:rofl
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Originally posted by mold
You seem to be afraid of the very thought of kill-stealing. Why not give it a try, just for a little while?
I don't see where you come up with this.
-Sik
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See, the problem with your example is that the people in the USA may very well decide that it is not, in fact, the "right" thing to do. And since the USA is a far far larger country than your small island, their position on what is "right" in that matter would carry somewhat more weight than yours.
Now if your religion called for the extermination of all sandcrabs on your island, I don't believe the USA would care much.
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Originally posted by Sikboy
I don't see where you come up with this.
Don't be afraid of the dark. Steal some kills. ;)
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Originally posted by Urchin
And since the USA is a far far larger country than your small island, their position on what is "right" in that matter would carry somewhat more weight than yours.
Why? This is the rule on my island, not in the USA. How does the USA's opinion bear on this?
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Because, to kill everyone in the USA, you would either have to come to the USA to kill everyone, or invite everyone one at a time to your small island.
But in all honesty, perhaps I didn't make my point very well.
What I was trying to say is that different cultures exist. What may be considered acceptable to a cannibal in New Guinea may very well be considered quite UNacceptable to someone from New England. Similarly, what may considered acceptable in the culture of online gaming may be considered unacceptable to the culture of the public at large.
Since in either case, the two cultures rarely come into conflict with eachother, there is no issue. In a situation where two cultures come into conflict with one another, might makes right. A good example of this is the USA vs. "Islamic" terrorists. While their culture considers the USA to be the single greatest evil on the earth, our culture considers them to be cowards who bomb innocent civilians. Who is right? Well, in this instance, the USA is, because we are the biggest, toughest country on the earth and nobody is gonna disagree with us.
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Originally posted by mold
Hey, I just noticed this! This is a good start. I wonder, do you steal kills on a regular basis? Eveyone gather round, mold has a question! How many of you steal kills to piss other people off? Don't be shy, this is a strictly confidential survey. :D
I admit to kill stealing, shoot chuting and sheep rustling.
If you take more than 2 minutes to shoot down that plane and I'm around, you bet your bellybutton I'm going to swoop down and snatch the kill from you. If you bail out of a plane and you're floating to the ground, you bet your bellybutton you're going to got a 20mm and .50 cal enema. If you have sheep, you bet your bellybutton I'm going to steal them.
But I will not shoot at a plane that is obviously dead, not because of any type of honor thing, it's just not fun to shoot at a dead plane.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
But I will not shoot at a plane that is obviously dead, not because of any type of honor thing, it's just not fun to shoot at a dead plane.
How `bout planes driving on the runway? Those are the bestest.
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Originally posted by Urchin
What I was trying to say is that different cultures exist. What may be considered acceptable to a cannibal in New Guinea may very well be considered quite UNacceptable to someone from New England. Similarly, what may considered acceptable in the culture of online gaming may be considered unacceptable to the culture of the public at large.
OK, that's cool. I guess maybe we agree to disagree on this--doesn't really make sense to me that there are no absolutes, but WTH right? :)
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
But I will not shoot at a plane that is obviously dead, not because of any type of honor thing, it's just not fun to shoot at a dead plane.
LOL. :D Cause it's not fun. Amazing. But that's fine, I won't try to convince you of anything. We're all happy. :)
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Originally posted by Urchin
Because, to kill everyone in the USA, you would either have to come to the USA to kill everyone, or invite everyone one at a time to your small island.
But in all honesty, perhaps I didn't make my point very well.
What I was trying to say is that different cultures exist. What may be considered acceptable to a cannibal in New Guinea may very well be considered quite UNacceptable to someone from New England. Similarly, what may considered acceptable in the culture of online gaming may be considered unacceptable to the culture of the public at large.
Since in either case, the two cultures rarely come into conflict with eachother, there is no issue. In a situation where two cultures come into conflict with one another, might makes right. A good example of this is the USA vs. "Islamic" terrorists. While their culture considers the USA to be the single greatest evil on the earth, our culture considers them to be cowards who bomb innocent civilians. Who is right? Well, in this instance, the USA is, because we are the biggest, toughest country on the earth and nobody is gonna disagree with us.
Thank you for illustrating the dialectic so clearly comrade!
;)
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I don't think Mussolini could have said it better! Wtg!
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Originally posted by GScholz
I don't think Mussolini could have said it better! Wtg!
LOL :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
How `bout planes driving on the runway? Those are the bestest.
Those and guys in chutes are given a special dose of lovin'
ack-ack
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Originally posted by mold
LOL. :D Cause it's not fun. Amazing. But that's fine, I won't try to convince you of anything. We're all happy. :)
Are you saying that you think shooting down an obviously dead plane is fun?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Are you saying that you think shooting down an obviously dead plane is fun?
Sounds like he's a no-good kill stealer to me, Ack-Ack.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by mold
LOL. :D Cause it's not fun. Amazing. But that's fine, I won't try to convince you of anything. We're all happy. :)
[Reagan]
There you go again
[/Reagan]
lol. There's something that Mold is just dying to say, but can't quite get it out. Poor Honorable, Polite Mold.
:D
-Sik
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Are you saying that you think shooting down an obviously dead plane is fun?
About as fun as a plane drivin down the runway. ;)
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Originally posted by mold
About as fun as a plane drivin down the runway. ;)
And those are the bestest. :D
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You ever play Everquest? Ever try the PvP servers? If so, you know about the "naked Wizard" ganker. Why would anyone play a PvP game just to find hurt people and nuke them and steal their stuff? Because...... (its fun) and.... it pisses other people off. And why choose a naked Wizard? Well.... that way you have nothing at all to lose even if you lose, which pisses people off even more.
I've played Everquest on both PvP and non-PvP servers. What you described Urchin as far as losing gear can only happen on one of the 4 PvP servers (Rallos Zek) all the other PvP servers you can only loot their cash. I rarely looted an opponents cash on Tallon Zek.
When I was short on cash myself I wouldn't hesitate to steal another players coin :lol If I was in a PvP fight and knew I was going to lose w/o a chance to get away I would destroy any coin I was carrying. One time while killing Hill Giants (monsters known for lots of platinum coin loot) I was attacked by another player. It seemed I was going to lose so I destroyed almost 600 platinum worth of coin. I ended up wining that fight. :rofl
Urchin brings up a point I hadn't thought of before. People intentionally anger others online because there is no consequences for their actions. You may be 100% correct on this Urchin.
People who engage in bad behavior just because there are no consequences need to grow up imo. When I see another plane in AH I don't just see the pixels on my screen, I see another human being who, like me, is there just for fun, and I try to conduct my self accordingly.
Anyone see that movie about 2 goofballs who were making a movie? People on the internet were posting all sorts of bad stuff about them. After the movie was released and these 2 guys had some money, they compiled a huge list of everyone who had said bad things about them and their movie. They started flying around the country finding these people and beating them up :rofl
A couple well publicized incidents like that and people might think twice about being jerks on the internet ;)
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Next time I see you online Levi I'll give you a holler. Most likely something like....Levi! DA NOW YOU DWEEB!!!
j/k ;)
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Some people are born angry. It's no surprise if they die that way. Even in a virtual enviroment. :D
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I am amazed at how many posts are on this rather insignificant topic. You guys must be a bunch of post mongers...
Sour
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frankly there is alot of pple here who get off on pissing pple off. i have never been one to take crap from anyone and im not about to start. it was a serious post that turned into rage granted, had a few to drink i admit.....but i still stand by my original intentions on getting some of more "kill" challenged dweebs to stop their crapola. didnt work oh well. i gotta say some of you peeps are viscious ; ) personally i dont care.
i will say i care alot about my score and rank and thats why it pisses me off so bad. what can i say? maybe ill kill a chute now and again. yall taked me into it i must admit
i am a knight for those of you who wanted to know.
Slimm50 when ever you feel froggie buddy let me know, and as far as i know no one from your squad has ever killed me. checked up on ya slim03 and from what i see you have no buisness running your mouth. looks like you one of that dweebs lol.
whatever...its on ; )
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Too bad you're a Knight, I was looking forward to the Dweeb Hunt.
ack-ack
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I let them live from time to time.
My last victim was a P38, a few weeks ago. He flew several nice attacks against our well defended field, got several serious damage. After his job was done, he was able to rtb, leaving the defenders behind. Except me. When i reached him i had to grin. Smoking engine, lost wingtip and whatever else.
this pilot was obvious busy to keep his wreck straight.
I sent him my best wishes and rtb.
Also, not long in the past, i catched a low Hurricane. He obviously just won a dogfight and was now out of ammo and very low on fuel. The pilot was begging for mercy to me on ch1. Though he wasnt the politest one, i had to laugh in the last.
I sent him a couple of 13mm's to scratch his back and then i let him go.
I get enough kills in the MA. And so it is easy for me to act this way from time to time. Its rewarding and increases my gamefun.
Is it a question of honor and respect?
LOL..handsomehunk....you are in AH! You pay 15 bucks. You can play it your way.
And thats my way.
Ecke
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Too bad you're a Knight, I was looking forward to the Dweeb Hunt.
ack-ack
That's ok - am flying Rook these days so I'll kill him a few times for you....
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Too bad you're a Knight, I was looking forward to the Dweeb Hunt.
ack-ack
Well...there is always the possiblility of taking a Country Ho vacation. It's always fun to see virtual life from the otherside, now and again :). On the downside...you generally find that all of the countries are pretty much the same. On the upside...you get to WACK your friends :D.