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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Bullethead on December 11, 2003, 09:48:48 PM
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The appearance of 1991 coincided with the arrival of my new Radeon 9600 Pro to replace my 3-yr old GeForce 3. I also doubled my RAM while I was at it, to 512MB. Guess what? I lost about 10fps across the board in 1991's FPS tests compared to original vidcard and memory. FPS was OK, however, and much better than 1990. I felt it was playable with most of the details on and sliders most of the way up.
Then 1992 had a bug that kept it from working on Radeons at all. Real life kept me out of 1993 and 1994. But the other day I 1995. I figured HTC had been optimizing stuff while I was gone so was expecting higher FPS, especially because all the Radeon users had been complaining earlier.
Thus, I was shocked to discover that settings that had been giving me about 50fps in 1991 now only gave me about 11fps in 1995 :eek:. The only way I could get a flyable frame rate was to turn all details and sliders all the way down. Unfortunately, this makes ships, town buildings, and other important things totally invisible beyond about d2.5k, so the game then is unplayable from a tactical perspective :(
Is this just me or are all Radeon users taking it in the shorts? Does AH mean "ATI Hater"? :) Anybody got any suggestions?
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no most ATI,s are getting hit by FR's. they redid the gforce in one patch and left out ATI. since then i havent seen any ATI updates on the patches ever since they left it out when they did the patch 2 or 3 i think it was. So far havnt read any text notes on updates for ATI..
I always say they are getting paid by Geforce...lol not to make ati work....:D
there have been many posts about the ATI and when were they going to Do updates since we been hit hard on FR's.. but so far the AH2 info line from the techs havnt said anything. havnt seen anything since geforce was done alone and ati just had red boxes for text
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I've experienced anywhere from 60 fps to 1 fps (total screen lock-up) with my ATI card in online AH2 testing -- detail & object size are yanked full right to the "Performance" side. I thought my fps sucked until I saw this thread. :(
Is 11 fps pretty consistent?
TBolt
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Hmmm
Usin the Omega Drivers myself. Haven't really messed with AHII much but gettin right at 16 (fairly steady) with an ATI Radeon 9000 pro 64Mg.
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I find this interesting because Skuzzy has several times recommended ATI cards over nVidia-based cards. I bought a 9600Pro a couple months ago in anticipation of a computer upgrade for AH2. Guess I should've waited. Lots of people are still recommending the 9600 though. If the recommendations are based on price/hardware specs, but performance is not what you'd expect - then is it a driver issue?
This is not isolated either - I semi-follow the FB and WBIII boards, and it seems to be a trend that ATI users do not get the fps that nVidia board users get.
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I hate to say it, but I'm running a geforce2 ultra and I'm consistently getting around 45-55 fps. :D
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I'm running the ATI 9600 pro Sapphire with Omega drivers 3.9
Online fps about 37-60.
AMD 2600+
1GB DDR Ram
AsRock K7S8X MB with AMI Bios 1.90
Windows XP pro with SP1
Sailor
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my AHII results:
2.4ghz
1gb ram
radeon 9600 pro
catalyst 3.9
1600x1200
32bit
AAx2
AFx8
detail sliders to full: 15-20fps
detail sliders to 1/2: 35-45fps
roughly 1/2 the framerate of AHI
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I'm getting about 30 fps with detail sliders to full performance, on only 1024x768, with a Radeon 9700 Pro, Omega drivers, 512 mb Corsair DDR333, Athlon XP2000+.
Very poor.
Seems like as the game is now, if you have a Radeon card, your CPU is the driving factor in your framerate.
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Skuzzy on the 9600 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=102735)
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Originally posted by F4i
I've experienced anywhere from 60 fps to 1 fps (total screen lock-up) with my ATI card in online AH2 testing -- detail & object size are yanked full right to the "Performance" side. I thought my fps sucked until I saw this thread. :(
Is 11 fps pretty consistent?
TBolt
With the sliders full right and no boxes checked except horizon (which has only about a 1fps effect anyway), I can get about 50fps offline, when it's just me and a few drones. I figure that would work in the less-populated areas online.
But like I said, this makes a bunch of important game objects completely invisible from more than about 2500 yards away. Ships, town buildings, truck convoys, etc. This makes attacking such objects rather problematic. In addition, these settings make planes look VERY funny (ie, the 51 drones appear to have a mid-wing configuration) until you close in to about d250, which makes it hard to figure how much lead to pull.
None of the checkboxes make more than a couple of FPS difference to me, but the sliders have dramatic effects. At present, there's no way to make the above objects visible at tactially useful distances without incurring so much of an FPS hit as to make the game unplayable that way. With the sliders in the middle, I can get about 20fps, and with them to the left, I get 11fps. In 1991, I was getting about 40-50fps with the sliders to the left.
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Yea, I have the same problem with the invisible buildings & other ground objects. You're not alone.
I have no idea whether HTC is addressing the problem or not. Maybe they'll post with some useful input.
In the meantime, hang in there...it's only beta. :)
TBolt
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Yep, I've got a radeon 9800 pro and the frame rates in the beta are usually in the 40's at best. Very klunky compared to the regular AH. It says I have lots of unused video memory so maybe it's just a beta problem.....
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Radeon 9700 here, got pretty bad FPS aswell, quite often bellow 20 fps. 2.4Ghz P4 with 512mb 533Mhz RDRAM.
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wow, glad I didnt go ahead and grab an ATI card last upgrade. I put a Ti4200 (128mg) in instead (just happened to be on sale...looked in one of mags and card had a great review). Anyway I'm getting 43-52 fps maxed out in AHII....so far so good. I'm suprised the ATI cards are getting hit so hard compared to the nvidia chipset cards.
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ATI has got Nvida beat in about everything else. I only have probs in AH2.
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Originally posted by humble
wow, glad I didnt go ahead and grab an ATI card last upgrade. I put a Ti4200 (128mg) in instead (just happened to be on sale...looked in one of mags and card had a great review). Anyway I'm getting 43-52 fps maxed out in AHII....so far so good. I'm suprised the ATI cards are getting hit so hard compared to the nvidia chipset cards.
Im getting 75FPS with ATI 9800pro 128meg
at 1600x12004xFAA and all eye candy on.
Maybe you should have got an ATI:aok
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Originally posted by Obehave
Yep, I've got a radeon 9800 pro and the frame rates in the beta are usually in the 40's at best. Very klunky compared to the regular AH. It says I have lots of unused video memory so maybe it's just a beta problem.....
Thats odd I have the same card And Im getting 75FPS.
4X FAA 1600x1200res all the stuff turned on.
And v-synch enabled as well.
What drivers you got?
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Originally posted by mrblack
Im getting 75FPS with ATI 9800pro 128meg
at 1600x12004xFAA and all eye candy on.
Maybe you should have got an ATI:aok
I think I payed $129 (was a ~179-200 card back then)...I dont remember the 9800 even being out....if it was I bet it was a $300+ card.
From everything I've heard the ATI has the Nvidia beat hands down on clarity etc....certainly an option next rebuild.
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You know, from a person who has suffered from fps problems since day one of online flight sims, really, what more can you do at 75 fps, that you can't do at 50 fps? I mean after 30-35 it gets smooth to human eye, so what is the deal of having 50+?
This takes for granted you're getting at least 30 fps in furballs over fields. If not, I can well understand the problems.
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Mr. Black, I'm using the Catalyst driver that came with the Radeon 9800 pro. It's '6.14.10.6334' in Device Manager in Windows. I'd like any help on settings and drivers for this card you know of...... I'm used to Nvidia cards and am trying to like my new ATI card.
Thanks!
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Go here
http://mirror.ati.com/support/driver.html
Select your operating system etc, download and install.
Obehave your drivers are version 3.34 i am currently using the 3.87 but the latest version is 3.90
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hell im in the 30s with a radion 8500 64 ( not the se)
payed 90usd a year ago.
yall shure like to spend money.
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Hi Gents....
Tried the 9600 xt with 128 megs on it and it seemed very choppy....so I did the "NASTY DEED" and bought me a
9800XT with 256 meg ram on it.
Very choppy still...have the new catalyst drivers on it. In flight i am around 20-40 usually around 20 fps.
System is Win XP Pro with 256 meg ram 2.0 GHZ processor.
Very disappointed with AH2 and the graphics with such a good card.
Just my 3 cents...
TG12:confused:
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"I mean after 30-35 it gets smooth to human eye, so what is the deal of having 50+? "
Isn't that 60-65 fps? Anything less than 60 hurts.
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AA 4
AF 2 and performance not quality. For AH2 can run this at 8x no penalty.
Texture pref and mipmap detail high quality.
Vert sync, trueform and smartshader all OFF.
1600x1200 at 32 bit.
AGP in bios set at 128mb.
Had a problem before where game was very choppy especially near the ground (in AH1) IIRC changed mouse and found the cure.
However at the time was using win98 and the catalysts are known to be a bit buggy with mouse cursors etc in 98.
Above are my settings.
Whoa just seen your using winXP pro, i believe 256mb is generally accepted as being the bare minimum for running XP.
Also look here try to find a nearest match to your system for a comparison running AH2.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=101278
Also what do you have the video settings set at in AH2 ?
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running it several ways....
1600x1200 and 1280x1024
similar results
tried the sliders....moved back and forth and tried the blocks to check and uncheck. Frames when looking at different angles in flight go upwards of 50 or so but can get bogged down flying towards a base dropping to 17 was the lowest.
Been doing a combo of the sliders and inflight average for both screen res is in the 20s low.
The card is running in overclock mode..with settings set on anisotoperic SP? and anti aliasing maxed out.
TG12
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Just a note... I updated my drivers with the CATALYST 3.9 from http://www.ati.com, and I actually noticed some better performance during offline play in patch 7 with all of the options enabled in the video setup. FPS was as high as 78 (a first for me) and stuck in the high 50's/mid 60's during close flight near smoking drones, etc.
Actually, now that I think about it, maybe it was the latest version of AH2 that made the difference.
((shrug)) Anyway, updated drivers is a must.
TBolt
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Everything above the 30's in FPS is a waste.
A TV is running at 27 I believe.
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A 60mhz refresh rate hurts the eyes just because its very close to the same frequency of some brain function or retina effect I'm not sure of right now. Its not that its because its too slow, but its almost identical in frequency and creates a stobing effect - sort of like filming a 30 fps video with a 30 fps video youll see the strobe.
Well thats why I heard 60 mhz refresh rate is so hard on people.
If there were a such thing as a 45 mhz refresh rate, it wouldn't be bothersome.
But fps is different. As one person mentioned, television is about 30 fps (full frames anyway, 2 interleaved half frames at 1/60th of a sec) - as are most animations.
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I have a new 3.2 ghz w 9800xt 256mb 1gig ram and raid configured hard drives.
ah1 screams at 170fps w vert sync off and maintaisn steady 85fps dor 85hz with it on with max settings full aa and af at my favorite resolution of 1280x1024. my test for ah1 maxsettings is a completely destroyed fuel factory with a brick of smoke. it chugs through that mess at an easy 20fps and never below 60fps anywhere else.
i play il2 maxed out on graphics and its glass any other game runs easy with the 9800xt.
ah2 does not. its choppy even with fps in the 40s and does not run smooth at all.
there must be some problem still w 256mb vid cards or ati cards and ah2 because it is seriously is awful. and if i have to choose between ah2 and ah1 right now ah1 is far superior in terms of terrain graphics and framerates. I look at festerMA and ah2 and it looks so awful. I look at it in ah1 and it looks amazing. that awful clutter may be great flying at 50 feet or in a gv but its all so mucky and square and plain. it looks like a bad day in england after it just rained for a few days and the fogs still around in a way.
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I don't mean this comment to sound rude, but - for a while now - I've been thinking that Hitech might do well to keep AH1 available instead of roll EVERYONE over to AH2. As things are, right now, I'd be happy just staying in AH1.
Give it time, though. "It's still beta," I have to remind myself. :)
TBolt
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Compareing the frame rate in a computer game to a television program isnt quite accurate. Television film uses frames which uses blurred outlines so each frame in seqence appears to transist more smoothly. (put a movie on pause and see yourself it is not crystall clear, as opposed to a game screenshot) so slightly more frames are required for games to flow nicly to our eyes.
im not quite sure what the technique which film uses is named as it evades me atm
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Just upgrade and play it!
I am running a p4 2.4 OC to 3.0 with a ATI 9800pro and I get 75 FPS
No problems upgrade you cheap bastadess
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Originally posted by F4i
Yea, I have the same problem with the invisible buildings & other ground objects. You're not alone.
I have no idea whether HTC is addressing the problem or not. Maybe they'll post with some useful input.
In the meantime, hang in there...it's only beta. :)
TBolt
Try this, there is a setting under compatability (in the ATI control panel) called "Alternating Pixels" or something like that... Give it a shot...
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upgrade?
3.2ghz p4
Asus P4C800-E DELUXE motherboard
ati radeon9800xt video card
1gb corsair ram
2 120gb hard drives in RAID configuration
soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS
thats what I'm using now so upgrading past that is dependant on the industry releasing more advanced systems.
I also have to remind myself that ah2 is beta still. because to me ah2 flight models are god awful, the terrain looks like a dark and dimsquare nightmare with broccoli scattered all over. a top end system cant even runthe game with max settings and get above 20fps at 1280x1024.
I've played ah a long time and I expect to be able to keep playing it at 1280x1024.
I keep saying it over and over, HTC needs to catch up to il2FB in terms of sky graphics and flight modeling gunnery and damage modeling. AH1 has clearly fallen behind and ah2 beta seems to be even behind ah1 in its current state.
ah2 beta sky looks worse than ah1 sky. thats hard to do to make that look worse.
they spending all this time on clutter they not even giving any attention to improving the sky or the atmosphere graphics.
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Originally posted by Citabria
they spending all this time on clutter they not even giving any attention to improving the sky or the atmosphere graphics.
clutter that a lot of us are going to have to turn off, anyway. :rolleyes: :(
what - besides contrails - would you expect them to add to AH2? and, for what purpose?
the flight model isn't awful. in fact, the "feeling of motion" is actually much better in the newer planes than in AH1. with some tweaking, i think the flight model will be fun...it'll definitely be harder to fly if you're a noob. :lol
TBolt
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Cit try these settings in video8 file
0.3,LOD
0.3,ObjSize
Or just set the sliders both under the L in detail. Not quite max but it will get you 50fps.
Your in danger of starting to rant Cit because you cant run it as fast as you want at full settings, however it seems apparent that the Radeons are definitely not up to speed with AH2, hell even GF4 TI4200 seems to be nearly on par with 9800 Rads.
I agree the terrain is very dark and as somebody already mentioned looks like a heavily overcast day, but without the cloud cover.
As for the current FM i cant see the problem keeping in mind its still beta.
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BETA
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DOLTS
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Hi guys.
I downloading new beta as I post here.
I recognize many of your problems from
WB3 early days - before we got the hang of all setting you had to tweak converting from wb2 to wb3.
many of them had to do with Vsync on
(most cases works better with OFF)
IF vehicle and planes shadows can be turned off you probably can triple your fps.
(what is the case in WB3 at least)
also tuning down antialiasing to 2X make things go smoother.
Since you also upgraded to better hardware to be able to play AH2
I suggest you try new WB3 out for reference ( as I do with every AH release)
WB price is finally en par with AH.
merry Xmas
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running in mid 60s with my 2.0 p4 / 1gig ram / 9700 tweaked (voltage bridged)318/300mem / xpPro
only time my fps die is the switch from the tower to the cockpit it drops to 6fps. during transition.
other then that it stays in the 44-76fps range.
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Well I got enough money for Xmas to get a new video card. Right now I am running a Hercules II (GeForce 2) which won't run AH2.
I was thinking about getting the Radeon 9600XT but you guys are saying there are definite problems with AH2 and that card. Have they been ironed out or identified how to fix yet or should I look at other cards?