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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Mike_2851 on December 12, 2003, 08:11:46 PM
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Let me start this whine with some respect.
I appreciate all of the hard work, time and everything else that the CT Staff puts in to make us all happy in playing this game, for no pay and at times a whole lot of abuse. The issue of staff rotation or "new blood" is discussed at great length in other threads. That is not the reason for this thread-but if you all want another avenue to express your unhappiness-I can't stop you.
My big whine is about what happened last night and is a gripe about a man I have been a squadmate of and respect highly.
But Jester the map reset you did last night-I cry FOUL! :mad:
We were mid mission-in the air and SURPRISE the map was reset for reasons that I am at a loss for right now. I don't know if you care to explain or not-that is up to you.
In reflection-when we were squadmates I do remember you re-setting a map (once-I think) for valid reasons (don't remember the reason now). But before you did, on God channel you warned everyone in the arena, gave everybody time to finish what they were doing, and you explained why you were doing it. Last night-just *poof* and it was done.
Being the first to admit that I certainly do not know all and I don't see all. Jester if I am wrong in any of my observations or in what I was told-then I appologize right here right now publicly. But since everybody was taken by suprise (at least JG-3 and the Axis side) I don't believe that there was any warning or explaination.
I just think it is a courtosey(sp) and respect that all players in an arena deserve, and was not shown last night :confused:
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I was not their so I dont know the particulars but I can say that Jester is a very competant fellow and I cant imagine that anything other than what neaded doing was done and for the right reasion. I am sry if it caused anyone any inconviance.
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Brady, if you wern't there-then you don't know-just like you said. I started my "gripe" by trying to show respect not only to a man I know but to the CT staff overall. I think Jester is a pretty stand up guy myself, and is an asset to the CT staff. But last night shocked quite a few.
And if you were not there, I fail to see what YOU are appologizing for?
My only point is that there was a map reset-why?-was it needed?-was there warning? And I guess the biggest question that most people have is-was it personal?
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Before this "Whine" gets out of hand I will lay down the FACTS.
When I logged on at 7:45 pm CST on the 12/11/03 the Allied forces were backed up into the NE corner of the current map and in my opinion it had developed pretty much into a vulch fest. I might also add that the Axis forces had superior numbers and I have noticed from past posts on the BBS the Axis players don't like it much either when the positions are reversed.
Also for the record I DID NOT "reset" the map but only 13 FIELDS in the SW part of the map (Away from the main combat going on at that time in the CT). Only one Axis player was in the vacinity of the reset fields at the time. I can give you the numbers if you like.
I did this not to give the Allieds an "Edge" but mearly to straighten the lines and spread the combat beyond one point on the map. There was no warning because as I said above there was only one Axis player in the vacinity. (A note here, even though I did this I noticed JG 3 still went on an captured A4 shortly after).
My main reason in moving the lines was twofold: First the line was right beside the Allied HQ in the Southeast and I am all sure we know when this is bombed that side looses radar. Second, at the pace it was going there was a good chance the Axis would reset the map, then it would be down and nobody would be playing JACK till a CT Staffer came online to reset it.
I'm afraid I don't care much for the suggestion that I was "Playing Sides" - old squaddie or not. I have moved the lines several times for both sides in the name of "Playability" and to make things fair. I have flown for both sides in the CT, bombers & fighters, USAAF, NAVY, LW & IJN so I know the concerns and problems each face. You may not like the way I do things in the CT but I always try to do the best for all that fly.
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Jester, My "impressions" were that you were asked last night and provided no reason or explaination. I was not one that asked so my information is second hand-at best.
For any false accusations, error in fact, or overall BS that this has caused-I appologize.
You laid it out in a manner that all understand-straight forward and to the point.
Thank you
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Sorry Jester, but your explanation just does not hold water, and here is why... You state that you only reset 13 fields in the southwest section of the map, and there was only one axis player in the vicinity. This is wrong. You also state that JG-3 went on to capture A4. WE WERE NOT EVEN IN THAT AREA UNTIL AN HOUR OR TWO LATER! SO this again, just does not wash.
JG-3 was operating out of A22 in the Northeast corner of the map and inbound to take A24, while A23 was under allied attack. After getting shot down, several of us were reupping from A22 when all of a sudden our own ack started ripping us to pieces. There were no warning sirens and our base and town were not under attack.
Since I was just taking off to escort a goon, I had my kneeboard up and saw the entire Northeast section of the map turn from green to red. Like I say... Your explanation does not hold water.
I am also afraid that I would not have any faith in any numbers that you cared to put up.
As my old squadmate and XO, I have always had the utmost respect for you, and you know that... But this just does not fly with me, and there are a lot of us axis squadrons that are asking the big question these days... Are we playing against a stacked deck?
I also see that you are looking upon this as a "WHINE". I have given you the actual facts of what really did happen, regardless of anything you care to produce. You can come down on me like a ton of bricks, put me on probation for speaking the truth, or threaten me any other way you care to, but bottom line... I am a paying customer just like all the rest of us and I want to be treated fairly. WE ALL DO! This is much more than just a whine as you call it, but more of a demand to be treated in a fair and impartial fashion. Or is that an impossible dream in here.
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Wolf, we're not out there to piss you off. We're here to provide service to the Aces High community to the best of our abilities.
I will point out it's a known fact that the arena is reset every late Thursday night or Friday morning for the new setup. We didn't reset the map because we wanted to throw people out of a well-organized mission.
Try to work your gameplay around the fact that we may come in unannounced and tell everyone - 10 minutes on a Thursday night or Friday morning.
I know the feeling of flying in formation and having a arena moderator come in and ruin it for all of us. :(
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Mister Fork<
>, I have the utmost respect for you, as I do most of the CT staff. But this resetting the map had nothing to do with changing over to the new one. We were at the beginning of our normal squad time which is 9:00pm Eastern time. As long as I have been with the JG-3 squadron and flying the CT, they have never made a map change on a Thursday night, especially when a lot of the squadrons on both sides are starting their normal squad hours.
My complaint is that when Jester came into the CT, he did not like the numbers he saw, or the fact that we were in control of the area... His words are below...
When I logged on at 7:45 pm CST on the 12/11/03 the Allied forces were backed up into the NE corner of the current map and in my opinion it had developed pretty much into a vulch fest. I might also add that the Axis forces had superior numbers and I have noticed from past posts on the BBS the Axis players don't like it much either when the positions are reversed.
Also the statement is made that we had superior forces and outnumbered the allies. Well too bad. We are outnumbered by at least 2 to 1 just about every squad night we have, and if anyone doubts that, just come in on a Tuesday or Thursday night and check the balance of power. I Challenge that statement, and to use it as an exscuse is just not fair. .:mad:
Jester also states that IN HIS OPINION IT WAS A VULCHFEST.
He may be right on that account, for as we started our squad time, the allies were vulching the hell out of A23, that is why we chose to up from A22 and attack A24, to stop the slaughter that was being dished out to A23. So once again Mister Fork, what Jester claims just does not have any creedence or salience in justifying his actions. IT WAS WRONG!:confused:
Is this game based on Jesters opinions? If so, then maybe Hitech Creations would care to give the Axis forces a 50% discount on their monthly memberships in the future... It may not make everyone happy, but at least it would be fair.
Once again Mister Fork, I am not trying to cause any problems, but am trying to help fix a problem that has been present in the CT for some time now. We get hammered with insults, called names, harassed, told we have no class, get taunted... But we are still here. Without the Axis squadrons you would all be sitting on your thumbs and starting threads in the AH BB about why there was nobody to fight anymore, or how easy it was to kill the ones who were left to play against. We are used to that treatment and can give it back as well as it is dished out to us, and still KICK YOUR ALLIED BUTTS. :rofl
The only thing we really want is an impartial treatment by the CT staff. We pay our fees like everyone else, and should all be treated as equals no matter what side we fly for. :aok
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You also state that JG-3 went on to capture A4. WE WERE NOT EVEN IN THAT AREA UNTIL AN HOUR OR TWO LATER! SO this again, just does not wash.
(Although you may not have been in that area....) My god you are so F!@#$ funny, to set the record striaght, there where at least four Jg3 members on most of the day. I took the day off work. I decided to fly/drive some and logged on to Jg3 captureing bases and (or at least others) hitting HQ all F!@#$%^ day long.
For the whole F!@#$ week we have flown a great deal of the time with no radar.
You guys did a good job caoturing all those bases all week long but the jokes over, you have been a total pain in the bellybutton all week.....as well as the BoF...remember?
Now, in this current set-up that Brady has made, this is our map to capture but now the ack hardness has been increased along with numerous maned ack capability. The VH takes 3k to kill while the much larger (sink it and all hell is lost) CV takes a tad bit more 4k to sink.
Jester did something that Kantorri or Mr Fork should have done much earlier and Brady needs to lower ack hardness and extend down times to 30min as has been for the past week or so. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Magee, you are so ignorant, but I guess that you just have to chime in so people still know you are around. The whole issue of this string is about the resetting of the map during a squad night where everyone was in the air, on a mission, and there was absolutely no warning.
Now start at the beginning like a good boy and actually try to read whats been said. You then might still get the chance of coming across like you know what you are talking about.
Nobody is talking about anything prior to this incident but you.
Please get with the program, or get out of the discussion.
You know Maggie, we all recall you doing this before, and when everybody finally got fed up with you and started putting you in your place, you wrote us your big "BYE BYE I am leaving and not coming back routine". You cut and ran as P6eHawk, only to sneak back in as LtMagee. Why do you not cut and run again, only this time stay gone. That would be a refreshing start to get the CT back in order. Dont let the propwash hit you on your way out the bombay door.
Oh my that felt so good, lol.:rofl
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You guys take this way too serious.:rolleyes:
:rofl :rofl :rofl :p
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I've known Jester for years. One thing he would never do is cheat anybody, for any reason. I do know from past experiance that a map reset screws the pooch for the arena. If Jester thought the map was in danger of being reset , on one of the busiest nights, and lets face it Tuesday , and Thursday, are two of the busiest with the majority of CT squads flying........ A reset would have sucked for EVERYBODY, Axis, and Allied alike.
I also understand if you got momentum, and are kicking arse , somebody coming and removing some of your hard won victories would suck.
Do we want to fly or do we want to play capture the flag to the point where the arena is shut down on one of the busiest nights?
You guys that have known, and flown with Jester in JG-3. Do you really believe what your posting? Or is it possible this is just another little thing thats getting out of hand, and becoming a big thing?
JG-3, you've flown with Jester, some of you have flown with him in two different squads. Did you ever see him cheat, or do anything that wasn't honorable? Come on, think about it.
Slash is right , it's a game , and all of us are taking it too serious.
Think it over guys, Thursdays gone, and if I remember right JG-3 kicked butt again. Was this post even needed.
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Two comments on this thread and I'll shut up.
Being a GM in two other games, doing anything to the gameplay or anything that would adversly affect anyones gaming experiance without announcing it to everyone can put someone at a disadvantage. As I have had the rules brought down on me in the past one thing was made evidently clear. NEVER change anything, anywhere without letting EVERYONE know what your doing. Because if someone, even one person is put at a disadvantage, that puts another person at an advantage. The role of a moderator, GM, CM, whatever you want to call it, is to keep things fair and equal, giving no one person an advantage or disadvantage.
Second point. Yes, this is a game, but does it feel like a game when your trying to shake someone off your 6? Does it feel like a game when it's 5 on 1 and you are flying just to stay airborne? Does it feel like a game when you are able to work with your friends and comrades to accomplish a goal? A game it may be, but frivilous it is not, it is a serious game and anyone who says it's not, isn't flying to win, they're just playing another 1st person shooter.
Splurts, JG-3 "Udet"
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Yes Lowe, This post is very much needed, and yes... We do take it very serious. Just as you would if you felt you were getting the short end of the stick. Thursday night was just the last straw is all.
There have been complaints of being on the six of an allied plane and hitting them with heavy cannon fire, seeing numerous sprites, yet no damage, no smoke, and the enemy plane flies off.
This happened to me last week against a YAK. It has happened to several others as well.
In a tank, firing at another and making several hits with no smoke or damage, then one hit and my tank blows up. This is another example that many have experienced, including myself.
Town Ack coming back up after only ten minutes of downtime and killing the M-3 troop carrier is another complaint.
A-20 super bombers that are able to out turn and dogfight a much more nimble fighter plane. We see that all of the time.
Certain CT maps are changed just because an allied player whines and complains about the plainset, or some of our battle equipment winds up getting perked when at first it was free.
Arent the set-ups ready to go when they are uploaded?
Is it really neccessary to continue to make changes to planesets during the week, unless it is stated in the MOTD?
Kicking the Axis forces out of a country because you did not want us to attack there. Why was England even put on the map and given bases of operation if it were in fact not to be involved in the battle. There were enough allied bases in France to support the allied forces. Yes, I understand the historic end of it, but if you put bases on a map that can be attacked, the rest is a no brainer.
The accuracy of target hardness is questionable at times. Like some targets are set to be too hard than the standard, or at least that is how it appears.
These are all ligitimate complaints that we have seen posted in here, or have seen being discussed on the text buffer or on the radios in the CT.
Pardon my concern, but when you have enough of these so called bugs, people start to ask the questions that nobody seems to have the answers for.
So yes, quite a few of the Axis players, and not just JG-3 want answers to these questions. Nobody wants to believe that anyone on the CT staff would be low enough to cheat or pad their equipment settings in order to gain an advantage. but none of us have heard any viable explanation as to the causes of these so called bugs within the game. Quite a few in fact do beleive that the allied players are able to persuade certain CT staffers to change setups at the last minute just to shut up the whining.
The situation of this last Thursday night would have been as bad as it has become if it were handled the way it should have been, and not just changed without the courtesy of a warning, which has always been done in the past.
Jester was well aware of the fact that it was our squad time, as he was once one of our CO's.
So everyone in fact believed that it was done on purpose to knock us out of a base attack that would have stopped the allies from attacking one of our own bases. I am now sure that if Jester had it to do all over again he would have used his common sense and followed the normal procedure for such a move. But it is now too late and the axis players just want to make sure that it does not happen again.
Even if the map had been reset, there was no real concern, as we all knew that Jester was there for his own squad night, and he could have handled the reset with little or no downtime at all, as it has been done before. Just another reason why it did not have to be done the way it was. Nuff said.
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IMO A game in progress should NEVER be tampered with in any way.
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Dawgs.
The name of the program should be changed to Whiners High I agree. However it's not just the Allies whining. In fact I'm suprised the BBS stays open, there seems to be very little constructive anymore. Just pissin, and moaning. I think coming to the aid, and defending your side, and your squads interest are the right thing to do. However you know Jester , and this is a game thats played with passion as much as skill. If he's guilty of anything it would be bad timing. Accusations of cheating or spiking the punch for the Allies are a little over the top don't you think?
I think everybody that wants to be a CM should get a chance. I don't think anybody could have that job long, and not get accused of being biased.
Splurts your right........... Fly , Fight, and Win, thats what it's all about. It just seems too many people want to tar and feather every CM lately. I'd never take the job.
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Originally posted by LtMagee
(Although you may not have been in that area....) My god you are so F!@#$ funny, to set the record striaght, there where at least four Jg3 members on most of the day. I took the day off work. I decided to fly/drive some and logged on to Jg3 captureing bases and (or at least others) hitting HQ all F!@#$%^ day long.
For the whole F!@#$ week we have flown a great deal of the time with no radar.
1) I was one of the 4 or so JG-3 present in the A24 area most of the day. While a few bases were captured we were on the short end of the numerical superiority stick and conducting harrasment operations most of the time in question.
2) Jester even though only 1 axis flyer was in the area it is a duty of a CMs to notify ALL players of changes being made any time they are made.
3) Yes, I flew 1 mission toward the HQ. I did it at a time when I had to RTB an aircraft because I ran out of fuel looking for someone to fight. The overwhelming majority of Allied players at the time cruising around in GVs. I figured rightly that launching bombers would get them all out of their tanks and back in the air. I remind you all that if you don't like your HQ being blown to bits you can launch to stop it.
4) I don't beleive that on Friday afternoon when Axis HQ was blasted that there was this level of wailing and gnashing of teeth.
5) CMs if Strat is turned on and HQ is a valid target make certain that auto-convoy and player resupply is turned on and operating correctly! It would appear that it wasn't.
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Lowe, I am not accusing Jester of cheating, lets get that clear right now, the objection that I have was the way the reset was done.
The feelings of a lot of the axis players at this time is that YES, something is rotten in the CT, and as foulable human humans, a lot of conclusions are being jumped to, and nobody is willing to explain the reasons for all of the misshaps or BUGS!
There is a faction of players in the CT that do in fact believe that the tables are being turned against us. This was in fact an issue a few months ago when ACE108 was placed on probation for voicing his opinion on the matter. If you remember then, we all came to the aid of Jester, and not just because he was our CO, but because we knew him as a very fair individual.
Yes, right now I am very angry about this whole situation, and I still believe that it should have been handled by the book.
type the message in the GOD text that the map will be reset.
Give those of us that are engaged in battle the time to break off, land kills, or just get back to base and get ready for the reset of the map.
As for all of the other issues that are making the CT players fail to trust certain CT staffers, EXPLAIN WHY THINGS ARE HAPPENING THAT MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THERE IS FOUL PLAY AT HAND.
The members of JG-3 are not the ones that are accusing the CT staff of foul play, but we all hear the opinions of others on the matters that have been brought up in this now infamous discussion.
Don't just jump in and punish those with the questions, as that will not fix anything. Nor will it help your general membership have any faith in the voluteers that keep the CT going.
I for one have put a lot of time and energy into this game, and have tried my best to give our allied counterparts a very competitive foe to do battle with. I have also always tried to be a friend and respect all of the other pilots from both sides, though some of you have made this very hard to do at times.
I too would like to see all of the in fighting amongst us stop, as it is nothing but a waste of energy and time.
I have stood up for my squad, and the axis players as well and have relayed to all what the general feelings are at this point regarding the ongoing situation within the CT. For this I offer no apology.
If I have stepped on some toes or angered a few of you, well... I am sorry, but now you know how a lot of us feel.
I have already received a very nasty and scathing personal email from Jester on this issue with a nice little threat at the end that would lead me to believe that I am soon to be placed on probation, or banned from Aces High altogether for speaking out the way I have. If this in fact is the way it is to be handled then I will take whatever comes my way. I just hope that some of what I have said will make a few people open their eyes and ears and make sure that this kind of situation will never again raise it's ugly head.
That is all I have to say on this matter<>.
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I just read my email and had to read this from a senior member of AH???? Displays a certain lack of class if you ask me!
Also the reason Axis had numbers on the night in question was that Lokee and Mcgee went on a recruiting drive to get all allies to change to Axis and get a reset. Get you facts straight please!
Here is said letter.
Sirs;
In the recent light of the shouting match on the BBS over what I
did in the CT the other night, it has really cut to the bone to hear my
ex-squad mates accuse me of all things, "Cheating" and then when I
explained what I was doing to be accused to my face of "Lying About it".
Especially since I did the same more often for the Axis players. Well
that is neither here or there. I gave you my reasons - like them or not
is up to you. You pay your money so you got the right to ***** about
anything you want.=20
I will give you credit 2851, that is the "NICEST" I have ever been
stabbed in the back! ! Twodogs, well words just escape me
there.......... guess no good deed goes unpunished.
Since you think so "highly" about me, I have decided to remove my
name from the JG 3 Website and on my own site for the 322nd BG as ever
having belonged to the squad. Since Lowe and I left I have to admit that
JG 3 has improved in the CT and the squad seems to be doing well.
However IMO the "Character" of the squad has really went downhill.
Sounds like Storch is talking every time any of you get on Ch.1 or post
on the BBS. Might as well change the name to "JG 3 SLOBERDONKIES" and
invite Shane to join and be the head Clown. It has always been my object
in any squad I have helped form that not only did we strive to be the
BEST but also to be a "Class Act." You guys have pretty much blown that
to HELL for JG 3. I can't complain too much about that though as I
turned over any command position I had with the squad for you to run as
you seen fit. However, I really don't want to be associated with any
squad or any players like that.
You know what is funny? I really got on Lowe's bellybutton when he sent
that letter to you guys when he left. Thinking back on it - you guys
probably deserved it.
So consider my Bridges with JG 3 & it's "members" not only Burned but
****ing Napalmed! BURN BABY BURN!!!!
Happy ****ing Holidays! Hope you all get Crabs! ;)
Jester
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Wow post an e-mail probably mean to remain private amongst you and the sender ... that is CLASS!
I am unclear as to the problem? you were in the air .. the map changed and you got shot down by ack?
Here is a solution:
.. there is a series of buttons that you can hit that spawn you on the runway and you take off AGAIN! Then you go and fly ANOTHER mission....
This thread has turned into nothing but a lynching by some of you. It is over and done with and aside from a pissing contest this thread is done .. you got your explanation ..
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ALRIGHT-ENOUGH!
I started this and it is time that I ask it to end! As many of you will be quick to point out. It is not only I that started it, it is my squad that is continuing on and I should address it there. I have made an attempt to do so. But as any of you know I cannot impose my will on others, free will and opinions are to each their own.
I asked my question-got my answer-and issued my appologies for any misunderstanding or harm that the question caused.
This has gone far beyond any intention that I had. It seems that what I have done is break friendships, tarnished reputations and respect, that I hope is not beyond repair.
At this point-if it is not indeed too late I would like to say I am sorry for all that this thread has caused and I would like HTC to lock this thread and throw it away.
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Dont worry about it Mike. You had a question and you asked. I think you made yourself pretty clear.
You guys take this way too serious.
I was actually making fun of my self:D :aok
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Skernsk,
that letter was sent to every member of the JG3 squadron, hardly what I would call private! And you are defending someone who hopes I get Crabs, I suggest you wouldn't know class if it hit you in the a**.
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Originally posted by shoppe
Skernsk,
that letter was sent to every member of the JG3 squadron, hardly what I would call private! And you are defending someone who hopes I get Crabs, I suggest you wouldn't know class if it hit you in the a**.
He didn't put it on the BBS....You did ...You should keep in the squad or on a personal level...NOT on BBS;) :p
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Originally posted by shoppe
Skernsk,
that letter was sent to every member of the JG3 squadron, hardly what I would call private! And you are defending someone who hopes I get Crabs, I suggest you wouldn't know class if it hit you in the a**.
Once again shoppe things have gone way too far. I feel that you crossed a line by posting that. If you and your squad were sent that then keep it with your squad. It does nothing but make you look bad airing 'dirty laundry'.
As for the crabs comment .. I did not read that far. I got pissed about half way through and made my post that you took offence to.
I'm bowing out .. I aint got the time nor energy for a pissing match over something I could care less about. I think that I'm more pissed to have wasted time reading and posting in this forum today ... wow is it a full moon or what?
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Fair enough Skernsk, I made my point, you made yours, no need for more.
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Rgr ..... :aok
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Originally posted by wolf05
There is a faction of players in the CT that do in fact believe that the tables are being turned against us. This was in fact an issue a few months ago when ACE108 was placed on probation for voicing his opinion on the matter.
with a nice little threat at the end that would lead me to believe that I am soon to be placed on probation, or banned from Aces High altogether for speaking out the way I have.
In answer to First quote:
There is ALWAYS going to be that faction out there that think if they somehow lost, the game was rigged against them and because they are not mature enought to face this the "The Allies are Rigging it so they can Win" theory comes up. Seems not long ago the theme was the CT Staff was "Axis" biased. Same prinicipal as why Professional Wrestling is so popular. Some just got to believe. :rolleyes:
For the record - ACE108 was not banned because he "expressed" his opinion but because he accused others repeatedly of rigging the game and threatened to "hack" them in retaliation.
In answer to the second quote:
You can come out from under the bed Twodogs - no one is out to get you.
When I said "I knew something you didn't" - I was refering to ME not to you.
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Oh Jester, I am not under the bed Bro, but just waiting to see where the chips fall. I was done with this until I read this, your last retort. For what it is worth, here is a copy of the email I have sent to Skuzzy on the matter. Cannot leave well enough alone can you. If I am in fact hung out to dry on this, for speaking my mind and defending my squad with what we have found out over the last few days... Then so be it!
Dear Skuzzy, the last bit of information I care to bring to your attention on this matter is the fact that right before the map was reset, LtMagee typed out in the text buffer saying "Hey JG-3...Check 6" and then all hell broke loose. If in fact the deck were not stacked against us, then why was Magee privy to what a CT staff member was about to do, and why was MaGees comment and the resetting of the arena going off like a well rehearsed plot to rub the event in our faces. We were also told by Jester in his response to the original question in this string that the allied members were outnumbered by the axis, when in fact it was the allied players jumping sides and doing all of the base taking, as there were a few JG-3 squad members present to witness the occasion. Jester has already told me that Hitech keeps a record of everything that happens in the CT for a specific map, and that the truth will come out. We all truly hope it does, for the simple reason of honesty, integrity, and fair play. My squadron has already expressed the fact to me that they now know that they will never again get a fair shake in the CT as long as Jester is in there, and Sir, I am afraid that I concur with them.
I felt horrible of the events that have taken place up to now, and felt very guilty, and fully responsible for this whole episode. But as more members are stepping up and giving the accounts of what actually went down, the true facts of the incident are now coming out. We all find that maybe what we have all been fearing for awhile is truly justified, and our reasons of concern have been proven to us by the actions of Magee, the switching of sides by allied players to make it look like the axis outnumbered the allies and were milk running, and the fact that Jester has stretched the truth about what actually had taken place on the night in question to make himself look clean.
It is not fair Skuzzy, and we are all looking to you to please straighten it out and bring some credibility back into the CT. I for one have always respected Jester, and never thought he was capable of anything of this nature, but with what is now coming to light, as well as the letter he shot off to JG-3, well I guess none of us have ever truly known him, and it saddens me, as I have truly considered this man my friend until today.
This will be the last you hear from me on this situation Skuzzy, and again, I am truly sorry that all of this had to happen. It has never been my intention to smear ones good name, but if the shoe fits...
It is also my hope that I am not the one to be drawn and quartered from this mess, as I was only reacting to what we all felt in our hearts and guts was a flagrant misuse of power, as well as a great violation of trust.
I thank you Sir.
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Originally posted by Jester
For the record - ACE108 was not banned because he "expressed" his opinion but because he accused others repeatedly of rigging the game and threatened to "hack" them in retaliation.
Hummm, I never knew about this... I will have to look into it.
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Originally posted by shoppe
I just read my email and had to read this from a senior member of AH???? Displays a certain lack of class if you ask me!
Also the reason Axis had numbers on the night in question was that Lokee and Mcgee went on a recruiting drive to get all allies to change to Axis and get a reset. Get you facts straight please!
Here is said letter.
Sirs;
In the recent light of the shouting match on the BBS over what I
did in the CT the other night, it has really cut to the bone to hear my
ex-squad mates accuse me of all things, "Cheating" and then when I
explained what I was doing to be accused to my face of "Lying About it".
Especially since I did the same more often for the Axis players. Well
that is neither here or there. I gave you my reasons - like them or not
is up to you. You pay your money so you got the right to ***** about
anything you want.=20
I will give you credit 2851, that is the "NICEST" I have ever been
stabbed in the back! ! Twodogs, well words just escape me
there.......... guess no good deed goes unpunished.
Since you think so "highly" about me, I have decided to remove my
name from the JG 3 Website and on my own site for the 322nd BG as ever
having belonged to the squad. Since Lowe and I left I have to admit that
JG 3 has improved in the CT and the squad seems to be doing well.
However IMO the "Character" of the squad has really went downhill.
Sounds like Storch is talking every time any of you get on Ch.1 or post
on the BBS. Might as well change the name to "JG 3 SLOBERDONKIES" and
invite Shane to join and be the head Clown. It has always been my object
in any squad I have helped form that not only did we strive to be the
BEST but also to be a "Class Act." You guys have pretty much blown that
to HELL for JG 3. I can't complain too much about that though as I
turned over any command position I had with the squad for you to run as
you seen fit. However, I really don't want to be associated with any
squad or any players like that.
You know what is funny? I really got on Lowe's bellybutton when he sent
that letter to you guys when he left. Thinking back on it - you guys
probably deserved it.
So consider my Bridges with JG 3 & it's "members" not only Burned but
****ing Napalmed! BURN BABY BURN!!!!
Happy ****ing Holidays! Hope you all get Crabs! ;)
Jester
Shoppe I got a copy of the letter myself. You left out one important part...................... The letter was addressed to the LEADERSHIP of JG3, Not the pilots of JG-3. As said above by Skernsk I believe. It was a private e-mail between the individuals originally addressed. It should not have been forwarded to the pilots of JG-3 much less posted here.
Yeah Jester should have announced it over God channel. I agree with Twodogs on that. I'll bet he never makes that mistake again. I can understand questioning his intelligence over what he did , not his honesty though.
This whole thing has gotten blown into a big stinking crap pile. Jester screwed up adjusting the map, and not annoucing it. Others screwed up thinking he was trying to screw the Axis squads. I understand Jesters side, he thinks he's doing the right thing. I understand Twodogs, and Mike or 2851's side. It screwed up their mission , and they want answers.
The lowest, and most ignorant thing on this thread though, was the public posting of a private e-mail.
Everybodys so damn quick to insult , and be insulted , you can't get nothing done on this BBS anymore except practice your witty comebacks.
Everybody take a break calm down, then try talking about it instead of bashing each other.
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wolf how fast ya type in terms of g.w.a.m.?
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I am really sorry Lowe, but I cannot agree with you. When someone is placed in a position of trust and authority they have to perform their duties in a fair and unbiased manner. They have to show that they themselves are worthy of everyones trust, and will perform their tasks without prejudice, and to also show a little class, something that we have been accused of being short of. Who is the hypocrit here?
I also defend Shop and what he did, as it was addressed to the command staff, but when you and Jester left the squad, we decided that JG-3 belonged to all of us and that we were all equals with nothing to hide from the membership. I think that Shop was just trying to show the lack of integrity and class, which is what we have been accused of not having.
Yeah, I am sure that some wish that they had done things a little differently, but they did not, and now it is biting not only them in the arse, but us too.
the way this whole situation was handled can in no way be considered an oversight. It is quite obvious that Jester had no quams about telling the allied side of the board that the arena was indeed going to be reset, but purposely failed to make any announcements to the axis side. Instead, for just bashing or rubbing it into our faces, Magee was allowed to not only be in on the insult, but to help deliver it in the typical fashion that seems to be directed at not only JG-3, but to the axis players in general these days. We can only imagine their laughter as Magee typed in the 'Hey JG-3, Check Six" taunt, and within seconds Jester reset the arena and we were caught in the middle of a hail of ack and gunfire. I guess that Jester and the lot of them had a real belly laugh on that one, but it was just pure BS as far as the rest of us were concerned.
It was also unfair to label us as milkers, when it was in fact the allied players that jumped sides and started to make a run on all of their own bases. We still do not understand what that is all about, but as Jester already stated... It was the axis forces that were milking the field. Did they just need more material to rip us for. If they would have waited, we would have done it ourselves and they could have had a good reason to insult us for doing it.
I just do not know Lowe, and a few of us are curious if we in fact will even be around to see the long term effects of all of this crap.
Again, we have suspected for some time that things were being done to make things hard on us, but cmon man, what have we done to deserve all of this. Is it because we can get the job done and give them a good fight? Or is it because there is just bad blood that will never allow us to gain any respect. I give up.
I just wish the whole thing would have never happened, but we were not the ones to let it go as far as it did. At this point the only thing we are guilty of is trying to right a terrible wrong, and look at what it has done to everyone. Enough already.
This is like beating a dead horse and I do not want to do this anymore. I am done with it!
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I do not know B17skull12, I do not have a calender handy!
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Wolf (twodogs) Did Jg3 just now inform you that I was P-6E HAwk? LOL, if so, you are slower than my P-40B. Even Shane knew this months ago :rofl
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Twodogs.
Joseph, I think this whole matter is much less sinister than you think. I don't know how I missed all this Thursday. I wasn't even aware there was any reset of the map, or contraversy at all until this morning. I'm not saying your wrong for what you think, and I'm not at all trying to insult your intellegence. This will be my input on the matter , and believe me if I didnt think it was all a missunderstanding I wouldnt butt in.
We in the 78th have changed our squadtime to start at 9:00 PM EST, so our east coast guys can get more flying time in. Because of my schedule I barely make it at 9:00 PM EST on the dot. When I arrived seabees and I hit the arena about the same instant. since we're a new squad 4 to 5 is about the most we can field on a squadnite right now. so when I saw only seabees and I, my first reaction was, Yikes this is gonna be rough. Then seabees informed me LtMagee was on the Axis side. So I asked him what he was doing joining JG-3?? He laughed and said no I'm over here trying to help them reset the map.
The only part of the map I was looking at was the very northern most, and there was a cloud of red on Bar Dar. So I gave Ltmagee a few choice words, and told him it didnt look like the Axis needed any help at all reseting the map, and to get is prettythang back over here so we could start our squadtime. So he comes back, and not only Magee but he took one of our new pilots with him. Your right he did make the comment hey JG3 watch your 6. I assumed it was his way of saying he was going back to the allied side. I really didnt give the matter any more thought, I just assumed it was Magee being his usual self,, full of mischief.
At that time I also assigned us to roll from A25 to A24 , where the majority of the fighting was. From the moment Magee left the Axis side he was busy with the 78th. If you recall Thursday , that was one big battle up there. So yes the four of us were way too busy for him to be in cahoots with Jester to reset the map. On another note the 78th usually tries to provide escort for the 322nd BG. I looked for Jester before our first take off because I wanted to inform him that we would be in Hurri II's , and not doing escort, but would try to sweep ahead and take the fight low so the 322nd 's Bostons could sneak in. I didnt see Jester on the roster, at that time. We usually PM each other when we arrive on squadnights to get an idea of what the plans are going to be. If he was on I missed him. Add to that I didnt have any contact with him until about 45 minutes later , when he informed me of the 322nds target.
I'm not saying he wasn't there, and if he was he must have ducked out when I initially looked for him. I do know however that I kept LtMagee busy the rest of the night , and there was no conspiracy that I know of to reset the map. Again... That I know of...
I understand if people knocking JG-3 gets under your skin...... To hell with em is all I can say. Looks to me like you guys got yourself the most succesfull Axis squad in the CT. Anybody complaining about JG-3 must like playing with themselves , because the Axis squads are what makes the CT. The majority of people usually want to fly Allied iron, that includes me. How are we going to able to fly, and fight , and enjoy this sim without an adversary? I'm happy that theres a big leathel Axis squad waiting to duke it out with the allied pilots. Anybody that complains of competetion , needs to play offline.
I can understand that if your catching grief , and getting smartprettythang comments from Magee , and then the map resets, your going to think it's a communist plot!!!;) just threw that in because we were russian last week. If Magee gets on your nerves sic Storch on him. Them two going at it is as balanced as any setup I've seen. One secret about Magee........... The guy is much smarter than he acts. Some of the outlandish whines he dishes are just that outlandish. He knows it, and complains on purpose, I swear I think he does it just so storch will insult him.
He seems to enjoy the replies from your guys more than his own comments.
Okay Joseph, thats what I know of Thursday. Do I blame you for thinking you got rear ended. No not really, however I think you should just keep on keeping with what you guys are doing in JG-3. don't worry if people whine, most do when they get their prettythang whipped. I havent seen anything from the allied squads bad said about you guys. I think the majority of them are like me, glad somebodys over there willing to do it, and do it well.
I still say Jester had no evil intent adjusting the map. He's just too damn serious about what he does. He also is way too fond of JG-3 to screw you guys on purpose. He may have done it on accident, and then got offended by the backlash, but he would not have set out to pork anybody especially you guys.
AND YES HE SHOULD HAVE ANNOUNCED IT ON GOD CHANNEL. I won't disagree with you there.
Okay Jospeh I'm off my soapbox, and off this topic, I hope it comes to a satisfactory conclusion.
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No Magee, I knew it as soon as you snuck back in. It was not hard to peg you as the whining was exactly the same as it always was. You are very distinct it that area.
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wow, I just read your other post as well as Lowes post. I had no idea this had developed.
I must say that I went Axis to try and help capture the rest of the bases so the arena would reset before 10pm eastern. It would have been nice to be able to fight with some room and radar. I deported to axis with skastjr ( I think jr but may have been sr). There were about five of us. When squad time rolled around I went back allied (per lowes yelling ;-) ! and made that check 6 remark as a sarcastic The truth is, I am rather "quiet" during squad times and save the bad words for my wingman when I get shot down. :cool:
You guys are doing a great job capturing those bases. I dont like that in the CT but its part of the game. Frankly its not what I think the CT should be about. After our conflict with the BoF were you guys ignored the map theme, then the Finn map were you continued the capture craze....then the current map being ten times harder for our "Liberation" of Okinawa.....I kinda lost my cool. The sequence of events didnt look good and I can certainly understand why you (you guys) think jester did what he did.
For what its worth, he did not .
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I am sorry Lowe, but knowing how close you are to Jester, I feel that this is damage control. I was there, lifting off with several of my squad members when the taunt came through and within seconds the stuff hit the fan. But you would have us believe it is all just a big coincidence. As far as how Andy feels about JG-3, well, his letter to us explains his true feelings on that matter. And no, I do not care for seafood, but thanks anyway, and Happy Holidays right back at you, and I am being much kinder than you were.
This is strange, as all of a sudden we are now being recognized for our ability to take it to you guys and now we are just chips off the old block, Like nothing ever happened.
Is that what all of this was about? Not being able to beat us on the simulated battlefield, so we were sandbagged. This is getting richer by the moment. You know, I wish we were wrong, as it would at least be clear cut and we would finally have a difinitive answer to this whole mess.
I am sorry, but at this point of the game, the only person we are interested in hearing from is Skuzzy. And what he has to say on the matter. You really cannot blame us at this point if we do not trust in any of these last minute praises and slaps on the back.
And you trying to come across as some kind of calm, smooth talking go between is humorous at best. You have already shown us that you are quite the Jekyll and Hyde when your buttons get pushed. You flip flop like a squid on a hot dock, so please Lowe, just knock it off. It got old on your first attempt.
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Yes maggie, you are quite the fountain of honesty arent ya, but it is great to see you all still working together for the cause... Yours!
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Joseph.
Your right my attempts to help straighten this out are stupid. I should have stayed out of it , I just figured you , and Jester would regret this later.
Why should I or anybody else try and reason with you?
Knock yourself out.
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Blah, Blah,Blah, Blah and Blah!!
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ok now I am confused (which doesnt take much). I know Wolf and Twodogs are the same person but is joseph ?
Anyway, what I said is the truth but oh well, life goes on and this is a game. I aready know I have a bad rep and frankly I dont give a rats prettythang. There are a few players that I still consider "friends" in Jg-3 but the squad as a whole has lost all my repsect how they operate in the CT (not that you care..hehehehehe Im sure you dont ;) .
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Originally posted by LtMagee
. There are a few players that I still consider "friends" in Jg-3 but the squad as a whole has lost all my repsect how they operate in the CT (not that you care..hehehehehe Im sure you dont ;) .
Did this loss of respect have anything to do with one of em shooting your butt off???:lol
I think you should have to ride the little short bus to school the rest of the week Magee.:p
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I would like to point out jester, dont be surprised about how twodogs is acting. If you recall in may of this year you had a member of your squad by the name of BBBB, I left your squad due to the verbal abuse I had to deal with from twodogs, I told you then he was a person of little value, and should not be trusted, its pretty sad that JG3 has been reduced to this. In the short time I was a member of JG3, I was always impressed by the squared away apperance of both the squad CO (Jester at the time) and most of the members.
Twodogs, your tatle-tailing is nothing new, I think it would be best if you took a break from AH for awhile, back when you were bashing me you used the exscuse that you were "stressed out" I have to ask now, what is your problem? I mean get over yourself, the allies seem to always get the short end of the stick, the map was changed in the face of fair and fun game play. So lose the chip, and just shut up and fly.
Jester, good looking out, I have never been disapointed in how you handle things, as long as I have known you I have noted two things, you are fair and you are honest. I back up your call to change the way the game was being played. Thank you.
Ohh and one more thing.... stop playing with your hose, sparky. ;)
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I would just like to poke my head in from the viewpoint of someone who wasn't even there; and ask you all to take a step back and re-read this whole Golly-geened post.
Some of you look like Children. Not to say that that isn't normal, but hellfires... re-read this post and really LOOK at what you're saying.
Jester, in my experiances with him, has been nothing but a great guy. He'll clear your 6 when you need the help, he was always a class act on the radio and channels.. When it came to out of game stuff; he was a gentlemen. So he made a mistake by not announcing it. BIG DEAL. Its over and done with. Unless you're ready and willing to assume residence in your glass house, stop throwing stones.
I can't believe this thread has degenerated the way it has. Mike's original question about it was fair, I think. And the response he got was decent. It should have ended there, but no- the 4 year olds had to come and play in the sandbox too.
*just shakes her head* Some of you guys used to have class, and I was honored to fly with you. What happened?
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Kegger.
You know this is one of those things that got out of hand. I've stayed in it because I'm a friend of Jester , and didnt approve of him being flamed. I'm also a friend of Twodogs believe it or not. This thing is bad enough without some long ago hash you had being brought up.
Your going to jump on a guy who is already engaged in a dissagreement , obviously upset, and having a bad enough time as it is. So instead of trying to help you figure it's time to pile on Twodogs.......... Go away thats being a chickens#*t.
Kesolie. Your the last person that needs to be saying anything to anybody involved in this. Does your daddy know your on the computer again lil girl? Don't you have an 8th grade test of some kind to study for? Crawl back to whatever rock you've been under.
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Kegger, lol, you were removed from the squad for being an idiot. You loved to talk trash to everyone you came across, lol.
If you remember, the night you were removed, you immediately started talking trash to Jester, then jumped sides to come after him, and he flamed your fat mouth. Yeah BBBB, Kegger, or whatever you are now, you are a legend in your own mind. Go back to sleep.
And Keso, at just barely16 years old how worldly and adult you try to be. You have not been privy to all that has happened behind the scenes in this situation, so your 2 cents should be saved for milk money.
Poke your head somewhere else, like a school book dearie, and this time try to understand what you are reading.
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So what are you guys getting for Christmas?
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I,m getting a new keyboard, I've worn the letters off this one, lol.
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I'm hoping for some new socks.
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Originally posted by wolf05
Kegger, lol, you were removed from the squad for being an idiot. You loved to talk trash to everyone you came across, lol.
If you remember, the night you were removed, you immediately started talking trash to Jester, then jumped sides to come after him, and he flamed your fat mouth. Yeah BBBB, Kegger, or whatever you are now, you are a legend in your own mind. Go back to sleep.
Pull your head out of your bellybutton knuckle head. I wasnt "removed" I left, and jester and I still talk on yahoo. You have some issues you need to work out. You dont belong in this game. Find a nice first person shooter why dont ya.
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Ahhh, Kegger, you are right, you left because you were being told why you were getting removed from JG-3. That is the actual fact of the matter, lol. Forgive me for not getting the story straight.
Back then JG-3 really frowned upon text insults, and when you confronted P6eHawk about his warping, and continued to press the issue after being asked to cool down. Well, we had taken enough of your mouth.
You were asked by myself, 2851, as well as a CT staffer to please refrain from your insults, but paid no attention to our requests to let it go... Remember? Those are the facts of that situation.
After the incident you claimed that you recorded the whole thing, and that the truth would come out and you would be avenged.
We heard that one for a week or so, then poof... You were gone as BBBB, and back as Emptygun. Still waiting for your TRUTH on that one, lol.
What does it have to do with this issue, absolutely nothing.
What do you have to do with this issue, absolutely nothing.
What is between your ears most of the time, absolutely nothing.
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You know, I'll be the first to admit that this whole situation has gone way overboard, and now every idiot that can type has had to chime in to get their ya ya's out at JG-3's expense. Oh well, we are getting kind of used to that.
The question was asked, yet a truthful answer has not been given. Is there in fact an abuse of position and power? At this point in time, I just really do not care anymore. Feelings have been hurt, friendships broken, and we have now heard from quite a few that do not even fly the CT, or even have any stake in what is going. Enough is enough.
JG-3 is my squad and I am proud of each and every guy in it.
When you attack the squad or the members in it, you are going to hear from me. Sorry, it is just my loyalty towards this unit.
Lowe, I have said some pretty nasty comments to you this weekend, as we all have out of being hurt by each other. I think you really know how I feel though. When you passed the baton on to me and said I was the man to do the job, I did not understand what you meant until now. Thanks.
Magee, ya bastage... You know how to get to people, but you too have my respect. That does not mean I want to start having slumber parties with you or anything like that, but I do respect and enjoy fighting you.
As far as the AH BB is concerned, we are all guilty of turning it into a whole separate classless battlefield, and I for one am guilty and have absolutely no interest in being a part of it any longer. Not until it gets cleaned up and serves the purpose for which it was originally intended.
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Still got it wrong there wolf.... but thats ok, it seems that if ppl dont see things your way, then they must be liars right? As for P6, I ended up flying for the 325th shortly there after. So this verbal abuse crap you are singing about is just that crap. You got upset because I didnt take orders from you. Then you went and tatle taled to Jester about the incendent after we agreed to let it die. Thus stabbing me in the back... you told jester a very one sided story. It was worked out in the end, and it was going to be let go, I told jester I was leaving becuase I couldnt trust you, to not tote alot of built up anger and frustration. He told me that you said you were dealing with alot of stresses at home. Well here we are nearly 8 months later, and you are still a *******, let me guess.... more problems at home... I ment what I said about finding a good FPS... here are some links.
http://www.dayofdefeatmod.com
http://www.americasarmy.com
Storch, any time you want to find me.... I live in Hanover MD, my name is James Wells, and I am listed... ;)
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Twodogs.
U Still Da Man
For Christmas I want Cable Modem , a Pentium IV, and a 21" monitor.
I think all I'm getting though is a neck tie from the Dollar Store:(
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Originally posted by Kegger26
Storch, any time you want to find me.... I live in Hanover MD, my name is James Wells, and I am listed... ;)
I hope you're not considered the smartest person in Hanover, Jimmy. :lol
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Back then JG-3 really frowned upon text insults, and when you confronted P6eHawk about his warping, and continued to press the issue after being asked to cool down. Well, we had taken enough of your mouth.
Damnn even I dont remember that:( You guys keep records?
And what in the world did I miss with Kazoli? I always miss the juicy gosip stuff:(
I think I will go start watching "AS the World Turns" and "One Life to Live....maybe I will learn something!
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Originally posted by LtMagee
Damnn even I dont remember that:( You guys keep records?
And what in the world did I miss with Kazoli? I always miss the juicy gosip stuff:(
I think I will go start watching "AS the World Turns" and "One Life to Live....maybe I will learn something!
Why yes we do keep records, in fact I have yours right here........... Your real name is not Bryan A-----, it's Byron Buttstone. You were not born in South Georgia , you were born in South London.
Your real parents Jagoff, and Unga , Buttstone were simple working class people.
Your mother's job was a pile driver operator at a local slaughter house. It is rumored that she could kill a full grown steer with one swipe of her hammer.
Your father Jagoff , painted designs on the inside of chamber pots. Legend has it. He was so skilled , he actually duplicated the Mona Lisa inside a chamber pot while it was being used.
For a while you lived a simple ,yet happy life ,with your parents. Then things took a turn for the worse when you entered nursey school. You cried non stop complaining the other babys bottles were better than yours. The staff at the nursey did everything they could to try and appease you, yet you were never happy.
Your biggest complaint was always the babies on the other side of the rooms bottles had better nipples with a higher rate of flow.
This meant they could drink twice as fast as you , crap before you did, and get to the best diapers first.
The final straw came when you snuck in just minutes before nap time , and swapped all the babies blankets around. In your haste you acciedently took two blankets for yourself. You may well have got away with it , but there was one baby with no blanket begining to cry. To hide your crime you stuffed the extra blanket inside your diaper. As the nurse searched for the blanket she noticed your bulbeous diaper. Thinking as usual you were just full of crap she ignored you. So you got away with your little crime for a short while.
As we have all learned about you, a small victory was just not enough. You needed to punish the rich blanketless baby by taunting him and waving his blanket over your head screaming "WHO"S UBER NOW BABY?".
The commotion alerted the nurse who came in and gave the extra blanket to the crying baby. Not knowing you had hid the blanket in your diaper , the baby happily rubbed his little face with it . Infecting his face with a bad case of your butt rash.
It took days for everyone to figure out exactly what happened. It so happened that the baby with the butt rash face was the son of the owner of the slaughter house.
Once the truth was out your mother was immediatly terminated from her job. People shunned your father refusing to buy his chamber pots , he ended up carving the little designs in bars of soap. After months your mother finnally found a job gutting eels , down at the local fish market. Things were never the same, they could never recapture their original success.
Times were hard, food ,and clothing, for you was always in short supply. So they ended up allowing a rich condom tester from South Georgia to adopt you.
Anything else you wanna know??:D
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I had no idea you have been talking to my mother. What else have you two been doing?.....POP!
ROTFFLMAO :rofl
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The force is strong, you really are my father:eek:
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Originally posted by storch
That was intended as humor, and I meant in the arena but if i ever find myself in md. I might look you up. maybe i'll buy you a beer:aok
In that case you can find me in the seat of a P51B, flying for rooks, I mostly bust tanks, but I will tangle with another stick if I need too.
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The 2 pages of post's above... Gee I wonder why people leave this great game we have to play here. Do you guys not understand that this is nothing to loose any damn sleep over. Why doesn’t everyone go to there corner and come back out and shake. Is this something that friends and old squaddies should be saying to each other? If you have any respect "KNOCK IT OFF'........ Shut down this thread. no value left.
Sorry, but everyone else had to put in their 2 cents.. so I thought I would too. I will NEVER come to the CT if this is the type of crap I am going to have to listen to while I am flying a "relaxing game" in my spare time.....
OFF MY SOAP BOX... SORRY
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SKIPNUTZ or T1LOADY:mad:
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This entire thread (I read it all) truely amazes...and disappoints me. I will give Mike_2851 more than a little credit however for his initial response. He accepted Jesters explanation at face value.
This is a game, and the CT is powered by free labor...if Jester committed a breach of protocal (and it sounds like he did) so what. He had a valid reason (not my place to agree or disagree) and he reset a portion of the map. If he was wrong...so what...it's a game.
I fly both sides (whatever side has lower #'s) and dont see any of the squads as a big plus to the CT....there is already plenty of gangbanging, landgrabbing candyprettythang BS in the MA. I "grew up" in the game in an era where the really good squads would split up and kill each other if they're wasn't enough cannon fodder to go around...it's sad to see it devolve to this point. There are alot of people involved who I see as good sticks and "stand up" guys...I hope your not letting a few numnuts (yes that means you wolf05) speak for you.
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