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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 214thCavalier on December 14, 2003, 04:30:35 AM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/3317429.stm
Lets hope its true.
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yup
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It's on other news sites too... hopefully true.
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on NBC news on tv right now
its a brave new world. lets see what this does to the climate in iraq.
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WOW Cool!!!
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Interesting development. I don't pity him. Still, it will be interesting to see what he will be charged for.
As for insurgency, it will be a blow against it for sure. But, IMO, it will not stop. A new leader will emerge, just as it was in Chechnya.
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cnn reports DNA tests confirm it is sadam.
he was wearing a fake beard.
vidoe on cnn right now of tank with dudes that got him.
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WTG!
:aok
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WTG!
Now that you have him, what should be done with him?
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Dead would have been preferrable.
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Originally posted by JB73
he was wearing a fake beard.
I guess this means he wasn't disguised as a woman... at least I hope so.
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What is he going to be charged with?
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WOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Originally posted by davidpt40
What is he going to be charged with?
LOL, you still dont have a clue do you?
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From MSNBC...
Earlier in the day, rumors of the capture sent people streaming into the streets of Kirkuk, a northern Iraqi city, firing guns in the air in celebration.
"We are celebrating like it's a wedding," said Kirkuk resident Mustapha Sheriff. "We are finally rid of that criminal."
"This is the joy of a lifetime," said Ali Al-Bashiri, another resident. "I am speaking on behalf of all the people that suffered under his rule."
(http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20031214/i/r860950832.jpg)
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The "Ace of Spades" turned out to be a "Joker".
Another victory for the USA/GWB. Another crushing defeat for the Leftist-Liberal Appeasers and the Islamofascists............
I'm glad the coward was captured alive. A humiliating trial, televised worldwide, followed by dragging his chicken-**** bellybutton in chains to a bare cell to serve a life sentence, will have a great effect on the Muslim world. Not to mention the side-benefit of rubbing the faces of the Axis of Weasels(Chretien, Putin, Schroeder, and that piece of Frog excrement, Chirac)in it.
Muslims understand humiliation. And the "Loyal Opposition" aka the Aid-and-Comfort-To-The-Enemy Democrat Left will continue its slide down the razor-blade of ignominious defeat....
C.
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BBC News is reporting that Saddam's capture is confirmed. Woot!
Let's see if the remaining resistance fighters in Iraq will finally lay down their arms, now...fuggin bastages.
TBolt
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Originally posted by davidpt40
What is he going to be charged with?
Hmmm, a pulp mill shredder is still being held as evidence...
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More importantly, who will charge him, conduct the trial, and carry out the sentence?
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It remains to be seen what effect this will have on the guerrillas in Iraq. This whole war on terrorism is much bigger than just Saddam Hussein or Osama bin Laden. Until there is a fair resolution to the Israel-Palestinian conflict there will not be peace.
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I was watching the press conference in Iraq as the first videos and pictures of the captured dictator where shown...people where cheering and cursing and sobbing, shouting "Death to Saddam!" at the screen. Saddam was lucky to be caputured by Americans. If Iraqis had captured him, he'd probably be dead already.
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What a wimp; he should have killed himself, like Hitler, or fought to the death, like his sons. Instead he's found hiding in a spider hole.
MRPLUTO
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Originally posted by MRPLUTO
What a wimp; he should have killed himself, like Hitler, or fought to the death, like his sons. Instead he's found hiding in a spider hole.
MRPLUTO
I'm glad he didn't kill himself. I'd say that he has about 30 years worth of humiliation and suffering to payback to the Iraqi people. :lol :aok
Btw, Hitler was a lazy wimp.
TBolt
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He is an old and sick man, jail him for life. Its more humiliating to live your last days behind bars than to die as an martyr.
I bet this is quite big blow to the resistance movement, almost all the top guys have been captured dead or alive.
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Originally posted by F4i
I'm glad he didn't kill himself. I'd say that he has about 30 years worth of humiliation and suffering to payback to the Iraqi people. :lol :aok
Btw, Hitler was a lazy wimp.
TBolt
Actually, if you read up on this subject alittle, you'll find out Hitler was a very ambitious person...you just don't conquer almost all of Europe with a lazy attitude.
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Originally posted by F4i
I'm glad he didn't kill himself. I'd say that he has about 30 years worth of humiliation and suffering to payback to the Iraqi people. :lol :aok
Btw, Hitler was a lazy wimp.
TBolt
Gee.. wonder how many years of that were covered by US goverment...
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Way to go, I'm glad they caught him. I was expecting him to be dead or never found. The following months will be quite interesting for sure.
Originally posted by Cabby44
The "Ace of Spades" turned out to be a "Joker".
Another victory for the USA/GWB. Another crushing defeat for the Leftist-Liberal Appeasers and the Islamofascists............
I'm glad the coward was captured alive. A humiliating trial, televised worldwide, followed by dragging his chicken-**** bellybutton in chains to a bare cell to serve a life sentence, will have a great effect on the Muslim world. Not to mention the side-benefit of rubbing the faces of the Axis of Weasels(Chretien, Putin, Schroeder, and that piece of Frog excrement, Chirac)in it.
Muslims understand humiliation. And the "Loyal Opposition" aka the Aid-and-Comfort-To-The-Enemy Democrat Left will continue its slide down the razor-blade of ignominious defeat....
C.
Unless you are trolling, it just seems you are just like what you demonize.
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Lol, the biggest saddam lovers can be found from the Europe. If he would be brought to Haag (you know, the international court that is not so international), we would find ways to get him free, next thing you know he is a president of France or Finland.
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what exactly do you celebrate ?
if im not wrong, your goal were WMD and terrorist
its good that he has been captured and he is alive, finaly he can explain chaos about WMD
and he can confirm if he realy said, that he will use WMD as Pentagon were scaring people all around the world.
But i didnt get 1 thing.... they said he will be judged in Iraq.
So why are all other people like him judged in Haag ?
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@Animal : Cabby is.
The day he will notice will be extremly fun :)
Tuomio ,I'm already petitionning of the liberation of poor old Saddam or at least a "Légion d'honneur" for him.
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Another customer for the Gitmo club-med. TV news said it was operation Red Dawn - Wolverines!
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Originally posted by Tuomio
Lol, the biggest saddam lovers can be found from the Europe. If he would be brought to Haag (you know, the international court that is not so international), we would find ways to get him free, next thing you know he is a president of France or Finland.
You're such a troll, I never said I liked him.
Like I've said many times in the past, I could care less of the ill minded Saddam.
Neither could care less if they give him out to the iraqis to be tortured or whatever they like..
However the fact remains: he was able to commit his crimes for a good time under the cover of USA.
I don't understand how this statement can make you think what you said.
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Originally posted by Tuomio
Lol, the biggest saddam lovers can be found from the Europe. If he would be brought to Haag (you know, the international court that is not so international), we would find ways to get him free, next thing you know he is a president of France or Finland.
well Haag is quite internetional.
Only some americans are somehow scared to travell to Europe since they could be arested for genocide.
And they realy fear to face these charge
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Originally posted by Fishu
You're such a troll, I never said I liked him.
Like I've said many times in the past, I could care less of the ill minded Saddam.
Neither could care less if they give him out to the iraqis to be tortured or whatever they like..
However the fact remains: he was able to commit his crimes for a good time under the cover of USA.
I don't understand how this statement can make you think what you said.
well Fishu basicaly their point of view is ....
no justice for our enmy only our justice for our children
so they basicaly belive that people like Sadam shouldnt be allowed to speak.
dont worry Fishu.. Bush will brainwash them in TV for a while and then they will agree :))))
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Well, since I know this thread will turn into a complete crapfest, I'll be the first one to say it:
LET THE SHOW TRIALS BEGIN!
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Way to go!
An informer must have some big $$$ today....
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Originally posted by MRPLUTO
More importantly, who will charge him, conduct the trial, and carry out the sentence?
MRPLUTO
Just release him in that Kurd town he gassed back in the '80s. The locals will take care of him. :D
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Animal, first we need to import 5,000,000 TV sets into Iraq. ;)
(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/031214_iraqiscelebrate_hmedium.h2.jpg)
Iraqis in the southern city of Nasiriyah sprayed soft drinks Sunday to celebrate the capture of Saddam Hussein.
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Originally posted by straffo
I'm already petitionning of the liberation of poor old Saddam or at least a "Légion d'honneur" for him.
Rofl, I'm sure some people will add this to their already moronic signatures...
:cool:
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LOL, I were watching live footage on BBC World - a fairly large group of iraqis were waving the flags of soviet union :rofl
One BBC reporter also seems to constantly say 'AK47 submachineguns'....
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This is great news. Lets hope this pulls the chair out from under the insurgency.
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Originally posted by Maniac
Way to go!
An informer must have some big $$$ today....
informer were Kurdish inteligency
so your big $$$ could be turned into weapons in few days
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Originally posted by Fishu
LOL, I were watching live footage on BBC World - a fairly large group of iraqis were waving the flags of soviet union :rofl
well since all soldiers use AK in Iraq , they may belive that they are russian :D
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Originally posted by Lance
This is great news. Lets hope this pulls the chair out from under the insurgency.
There is at least 15 independently working groups, so I won't be having too high hopes with it..
And significant amount of combatants (most?) are foreign.
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Wait a minute, he wasn't supposed to be found until just before the elections! :rofl
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Originally posted by Spooky
Rofl, I'm sure some people will add this to their already moronic signatures...
:cool:
I'm working hard to make their sig. grow :D
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Woot! Woot! Woot! :aok
Try him, convict him, then turn his murderous but over to the Sunnis.
Look at that picture. How the mighty have fallen.
Regards, Shuckins
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Originally posted by straffo
Tuomio ,I'm already petitionning of the liberation of poor old Saddam or at least a "Légion d'honneur" for him.
Where can I sign it?
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..found cowering in a cellar hoping the bad guys would go away...like our liberals in the war against terrorism...
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by mora
Where can I sign it?
Nowhere yet , but I'll start a site ASAP with a secure SSL to make donation to a swiss bank account ... a kind of "Charity" for Sadam :D
Update your signature Martlett.
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I love reading through this thread. The hatred for the U.S. is so apparent in all the same people. We could end world hunger and they'd still whine.
Saddam was captured. By ANY standards that's a good thing. Instead of a "good job", people like Fishu, mora, Straffo, maslo, etc are STILL crying and turning it into a horrible thing. It's why you can't take 90% of what they say seriously. You can't get much more bias than that.
Country-envy is a horrible thing.
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"Operation Red Dawn"
With the two targets "Wolverine 1 and Wolverine 2"
Someone has a sense of humour! :D
Good job by the US on capturing Saddam. I want to see Red Dawn II and the capture of Osama.
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WTG US Intel.
Kick ass!
Sadam's gonna get fried by the Iraqis. Oh sweet irony...
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I wonder how long a fart would be potent in his hole/HQ. Would it be considered a WMD ?
Maybe he should just be put back in his HQ and be "mass-farted" by the Sunnis... he would not last long.
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Originally posted by maslo
what exactly do you celebrate ?
if im not wrong, your goal were WMD and terrorist
its good that he has been captured and he is alive, finaly he can explain chaos about WMD
and he can confirm if he realy said, that he will use WMD as Pentagon were scaring people all around the world.
But i didnt get 1 thing.... they said he will be judged in Iraq.
So why are all other people like him judged in Haag ?
My Squadmates and many other US/UK aviators had bountys on our heads making "containment" flights over northern and southern Iraq. I don't care about WMDs. The man was actively engaged in trying to kill my buddies for the past decade. I hope he rots in jail.
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There's one mass murderer of the 20th century who DIDN'T escape the long arm of the law. With 400,000 bodies already uncovered, it WON'T be a show trial.
Shuckins
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Originally posted by Shuckins
With 400,000 bodies already uncovered, it WON'T be a show trial.
Shuckins
I hope so. Lets wait and see.
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Originally posted by Martlet
I love reading through this thread. The hatred for the U.S. is so apparent in all the same people. We could end world hunger and they'd still whine.
Saddam was captured. By ANY standards that's a good thing. Instead of a "good job", people like Fishu, mora, Straffo, maslo, etc are STILL crying and turning it into a horrible thing. It's why you can't take 90% of what they say seriously. You can't get much more bias than that.
Country-envy is a horrible thing.
I was about to post something as simple as "WTG" when Cabby's post remembered that some of the blue neo-con moron just need to be pissed and nothing else.
I hope you are pissed not because of country-envy .
Just because I 'm sorry that a great country like the USA can produce some crypto-fachist in denial like Cabby and some others.
see below
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HEY, WE CAUGHT SADDAM! NO MORE TERRORIST ATTACKS ON THE U.S. NOW!!!!!!!!
THE WAR IN IRAQ IS OVER! PEACE IN IRAQ FOREVER!
NOW SADDAM CANT LAUNCH HIS ICBMS!
The news said something about this 'Bean lodden' guy. Never heard of him though.
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Originally posted by straffo
I was about to post something as simple as "WTG" when Cabby's post remembered that some of the blue neo-con moron just need to be pissed and nothing else.
I hope you are pissed not because of country-envy .
Just because I 'm sorry that a great country like the USA can produce some crypto-fachist in denial like you ,Cabby and some others.
This is going to get your freedom cancelled :D
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Originally posted by StSanta
"Operation Red Dawn"
With the two targets "Wolverine 1 and Wolverine 2"
Someone has a sense of humour! :D
Good job by the US on capturing Saddam. I want to see Red Dawn II and the capture of Osama.
Especially ironic that Saddam was a student of Stalin, studied him obsessively, and even killed those around him to ascend to power, not unlike Stalin.
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Martlet, you see what you want too see, thats the only thing thats apparent here...
Cabby started that ****...
Wait a minute, he wasn't supposed to be found until just before the elections!
No that was the WMD...
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Originally posted by straffo
I was about to post something as simple as "WTG" when Cabby's post remembered that some of the blue neo-con moron just need to be pissed and nothing else.
I hope you are pissed not because of country-envy .
Just because I 'm sorry that a great country like the USA can produce some crypto-fachist in denial like you ,Cabby and some others.
I almost didn't include your name in my list because I thought you were joking. Apparently I was correct.
I'm not pissed at all. I think it's funny. Your comments in threads like this are why only a handful of people take you seriously.
What am I in denial about?
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We're certainly going to get some good intel of the destruction of, or whereabouts, of any WMD, and just think of the stories Saddam could tell about Germany and Frances roll leading right up to the start of the war! Oooooh, this is gonna be fun!
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Good speech by Tony Blair.
WTG coalition!
Hope that ba****d gets what is coming to him.
Ravs
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:aok
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to the forces that made this possible.
There is talk of a letter having been found in Baghdad linking Atta (sp) the hijacker who helped plane 9/11 to Saddam.
George was right. There is a link to Al-Queda and we will get Saddam.
:aok
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He looks like crap and has been living in a hole, that alone has to put a smile on your face :)
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HOST: You have been captured.
:)
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Just heard the news...
WTFG US!!!!!....about time...but later is always better than never.
This should REALLY help to quell the resistance in Iraq.
A trial by his own people is in order...then a good old hanging, wrap him in a pigs carcass and then bury him.
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WOW!
I was shocked when I woke up today and saw this news.
Today has started out well :)
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(http://www.expressen.se/content/1/c6/08/89/96/ad9947dd.jpg)
Free dental care?
(http://www.expressen.se/content/1/c6/08/90/16/ba4e4f84.jpg)
That was a fast shape-up!!!
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Looks like the fab 5 has got him. Hope they can fix up his hole also, so his wife will return..
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What a hero!
"I will never be taken alive" just turned into "Anybody got a cigarette or a towlette?"
There may be a backlash against U.S. and coalition forces in the days and weeks ahead, but it will probably be short-lived. The Baathists who were carrying out some of the terrorist attacks were doubtlessly being encouraged by the knowledge that Saddam was still free and defiant. Surrendering meekly should take the wind out of their sails, in the long run.
An Iraqi official just made the statement that..."there will be a trial. He will be allowed a lawyer. If he cannot afford one, the court will appoint him one." :rofl
It appears that the principles of democracy are gaining popularity.
Regards, Shuckins
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Great Day.
Made even better by the morning chuckle provided by Cabby.
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Originally posted by Martlet
I love reading through this thread. The hatred for the U.S. is so apparent in all the same people. We could end world hunger and they'd still whine.
Saddam was captured. By ANY standards that's a good thing. Instead of a "good job", people like Fishu, mora, Straffo, maslo, etc are STILL crying and turning it into a horrible thing. It's why you can't take 90% of what they say seriously. You can't get much more bias than that.
Country-envy is a horrible thing.
(http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/moran.jpg)
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Here's an interesting point of view :
In Yemen, Mohammed Abdel Qader Mohammadi, 50, said he was surprised Saddam didn't fight his capture. "I expected him to resist or commit suicide before falling into American hands. He disappointed a lot of us, he's a coward."
Saddam is a coward? No! Say it ain't so. The Hero that killed thousands? This can't be.
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Originally posted by Martlet
I almost didn't include your name in my list because I thought you were joking. Apparently I was correct.
I'm not pissed at all. I think it's funny. Your comments in threads like this are why only a handful of people take you seriously.
What am I in denial about?
I was joking.
And the denial part don' t apply, it's just a translation error, I'll correct my post (I confused "you" and "him" , then forgot to remove the "you" when remplacing it by Cabby)
good luck understanding my post :D even knowing what I wanted to say it no clear :D
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Originally posted by davidpt40
HEY, WE CAUGHT SADDAM! NO MORE TERRORIST ATTACKS ON THE U.S. NOW!!!!!!!!
THE WAR IN IRAQ IS OVER! PEACE IN IRAQ FOREVER!
NOW SADDAM CANT LAUNCH HIS ICBMS!
The news said something about this 'Bean lodden' guy. Never heard of him though.
You are a sad sad little feller.
Rino
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Rino he is, that's why most everyone just ignores him.
He probably would rather have President Hillary inviting President Saddam to Washington for tea.
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Originally posted by mora
(http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/moran.jpg)
That's a good picture of you. I'm surprised by the stars and stripes bandana, but not surprised by the mullet or that you spelled morons wrong.
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Originally posted by Martlet
That's a good picture of you. I'm surprised by the stars and stripes bandana, but not surprised by the mullet or that you spelled morons wrong.
:rofl
I kind of tried to imply that your comprehension isn't exactly top notch, as you included me into your "Axis of weasels". Thanks for the laughs.:D
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Originally posted by Fishu
LOL, I were watching live footage on BBC World - a fairly large group of iraqis were waving the flags of soviet union :rofl
One BBC reporter also seems to constantly say 'AK47 submachineguns'....
I saw thw same thing on CNN, but they were just solid red flags or red flags with Arabic writing on it. The hammer and sling blade were not in sight. In that part of the world does a red flag have any traditional meaning? I suppose it could have something to do with blood.
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WTG!!!, 1 down, 1 to go
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Is it just me, or does he look a lot like the Unibomber, Ted Kacinski (sp)?
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Nice, really great news.
davitpt40, **** you, you bloodthirsty usa hating pig. I'm sure you were devestated that none of our boys were killed durinmg this raid...
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WTG USA & her ALLIES!
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Originally posted by Dune
Is it just me, or does he look a lot like the Unibomber, Ted Kacinski (sp)?
He looked like a retired prosecutor to me. :D
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Originally posted by Jack55
I saw thw same thing on CNN, but they were just solid red flags or red flags with Arabic writing on it. The hammer and sling blade were not in sight. In that part of the world does a red flag have any traditional meaning? I suppose it could have something to do with blood.
I did first note they were red flags and figured those are just plain red flags.... but then I began wondering why would they use red flags and where'd they got those; so I searched for the hammer and sling blade, which were visible after all, albeit quite faint, surely not in the bright yellow tone like supposed to.
Then someone was having flag between two sticks and some arabic writing on it
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I havent seen the footage, but the communistsparty in Iraq was banned by Saddam and they are now very happy he is gone. Could it be the Iraqi communists party flags?
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Originally posted by Cabby44
The "Ace of Spades" turned out to be a "Joker".
Another victory for the USA/GWB. Another crushing defeat for the Leftist-Liberal Appeasers and the Islamofascists............
C.
Why is this a "crushing defeat" for Leftists? Do you really believe ANYBODY wanted to see Sadaam Hussein continue to elude our forces?
LOL Cabby, the one thing ALL of us agree on is we want to see hostilities end in Iraq ASAP. Capturing Sadaam is a step in that direction, whether we're left, right or center.
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Originally posted by davidpt40
HEY, WE CAUGHT SADDAM! NO MORE TERRORIST ATTACKS ON THE U.S. NOW!!!!!!!!
THE WAR IN IRAQ IS OVER! PEACE IN IRAQ FOREVER!
NOW SADDAM CANT LAUNCH HIS ICBMS!
The news said something about this 'Bean lodden' guy. Never heard of him though.
weazel... is that you?
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He's the leftist equivalent of Martlet.
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Originally posted by Airhead
LOL Cabby, the one thing ALL of us agree on is we want to see hostilities end in Iraq ASAP. Capturing Sadaam is a step in that direction, whether we're left, right or center.
Ideally yes Airhead, but do you really think this helps the deomocrats presidential campaign against bush? Now they cant say things like saddam is still on the loose. It takes away a weapon and an argument in their case against bush, certainly this is not good news for their campaign slogans. Maybe they arent happy because it hurts their personal chances at the white house. So although they may honestly want saddam to be capured or similarly for the economy to recover I think a reasonable case exists that thee democractic candidates want neither of those things to happend now - during bush's term and the leadup to november 2004.
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1) Did they have a Search Warrant?
2) Did they ‘read him his right’s’?
3) Does he have an ‘LA Lawyer’?
4) Did they hurt his feelings?
Wait till "Court TV" finds out about this....!!!
WTG 4th ID.....!;)
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oopppsss
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Originally posted by Airhead
He looked like a retired prosecutor to me. :D
Or sometimes just at the end of the day.
:D
tthbbbttttttttt
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Grun, I could care less about the 2004 elections. If this discourages even one Iraqi combantant, and saves the life of even one American kid, then this takes presedence over politics.
Thanks for reminding me though- I have to clean up the dog crap out of the back yard.
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Saw those flags too. But they had the hammer and sickle up in the corner (and smaller), not in the middle like the Soviet flag. Is Boroda down there?
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Originally posted by majic
Saw those flags too. But they had the hammer and sickle up in the corner (and smaller), not in the middle like the Soviet flag. Is Boroda down there?
I just saw video of this... mostly plain red flags, some with Arabic writing on them, a few with hammer/sicckle
Makes me think the Red flags mean something and they took whatever red flags they had ( USSR flags or not)
BTW: Hammer and Sickle is on upper left corner of USSR flag.
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Originally posted by Airhead
Grun, I could care less about the 2004 elections. If this discourages even one Iraqi combantant, and saves the life of even one American kid, then this takes presedence over politics.
Thanks for reminding me though- I have to clean up the dog crap out of the back yard.
LOL :)
It should take precedence of course, and it is more important. However I think both of us know that the democratic candidates are now holding staff meetings on how to deal with this developent considering it will likely have a positive effect on bush's chances in 2004 and an oppososit impact on theirs. Likewise bush camapaign is having staff meeting about it too.
Anyway you know I'm cynical about politics in general.
Merry Christams my friend, this certainly was a nice gift.
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Ideally yes Airhead, but do you really think this helps the deomocrats presidential campaign against bush? Now they cant say things like saddam is still on the loose. It takes away a weapon and an argument in their case against bush, certainly this is not good news for their campaign slogans. Maybe they arent happy because it hurts their personal chances at the white house. So although they may honestly want saddam to be capured or similarly for the economy to recover I think a reasonable case exists that thee democractic candidates want neither of those things to happend now - during bush's term and the leadup to november 2004.
war is a dirty business.
but politics will always beat it hands down..
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(http://www3.sympatico.ca/hugues.sebastien/ownedsaddam.jpg)
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Don't forget that Baath was a "communist" party.
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Here is a pic I found that perfectly illustrates how we chased Saddam down:
(http://webpages.charter.net/mathmanahs/matrixsaddam.jpg)
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"...it will likely have a positive effect on bush's chances in 2004 and an oppososit impact on theirs."
If the capture of Sadam leads to an improvement of conditions on the ground in Iraq, signs of real progress, then obviously it would have an effect on the next election. But to think his capture itself will have any long term political effect is stretching it a bit. Unfortunately, I suspect it will be business as usual in Iraq.
yowser
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Has obviosly been a major objective of the US since the war started.
That will free up many troops for other uses.
I cannot see how it could attract more iraqis to the resistance. But I can see how it would attract them to the coelition.
But Im not an Iraqi muslim
The Iraqis will not imprison him for life. They will kill him.
Increadable that he was able to resist capture for so long by such simple but disciplined means. He must have had killed the men that made those hidy holes.
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I was thinking that too Pongo... especially given that he was found in the town he was most likely to be hiding in and where our search efforts were being focussed.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Pongo
Has obviosly been a major objective of the US since the war started.
That will free up many troops for other uses.
I cannot see how it could attract more iraqis to the resistance. But I can see how it would attract them to the coelition.
But Im not an Iraqi muslim
The Iraqis will not imprison him for life. They will kill him.
Increadable that he was able to resist capture for so long by such simple but disciplined means. He must have had killed the men that made those hidy holes.
I wonder if they will kill him. At least immediately.
The coalition wants him alive for obvious reasons: to validate their claims of WMD, etc. If he doesn't talk at all, then there's no reason for them to keep him alive. If he gives up everything at once, then there's no reason to keep him alive. After his usefulness has expired, he'd best serve as a lesson.
I'm interested to see what happens to him.
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Originally posted by Fishu
I did first note they were red flags and figured those are just plain red flags.... but then I began wondering why would they use red flags and where'd they got those; so I searched for the hammer and sling blade, which were visible after all, albeit quite faint, surely not in the bright yellow tone like supposed to.
Then someone was having flag between two sticks and some arabic writing on it
These flags?
(http://www.foxnews.com/images/110521/26_22_121403_iraqis.jpg)
I can't really see anything...
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No, it was footage against some other building.
The flag with writing on it, had 3 or 4 lines in smaller letters
Most people were also nearer to the wall and looked more towards the camera.
The emblem however was seen faintly on the flags in the footage.
Not sure was it in all flags or not, but at least in 3
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He'll be tried by the Iraqi's once we've bled him dry of any useful information. Does anyone think there's even the remotest chance he won't get the severest penalty possible after brutalizing so many for so long?
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What purpose does it have to warehouse him? Once he has provided the information needed do we keep him alive as a rallying point for further violence or do we allow him to be removed from the earth based on his own actions?
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EES NOT REAL SADDAM, EES CYBERNETIC TROJAN HORSE CONTAINING (french) NOOOOKLEAR DEVICE!!!
DETH TO AMREEKA!!!
DETH TO GREAT SHAITAN BOOSH!!!
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A U.S. defense official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Saddam admitted his identity when captured. Sanchez, meanwhile, said that two men affiliated with Saddam were also detained and that soldiers confiscated two Kalashnikov rifles, a pistol, a taxi and $750,000 in $100 U.S. bills.
Judging from the emergency survival kit he had with him, I'd say if we didn't find him in Iraq we would have found him fully licensed driving that cab freelance in lower Manhattan...Still begs the question of what he was planning to do with the SECOND AK.
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He was planning to go out Chow Yun Fat style, AK in each hand, full auto.
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When is France going to demand Saddam's release? That's all I'm waiting for at this point
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Actually, if you read up on this subject alittle, you'll find out Hitler was a very ambitious person...you just don't conquer almost all of Europe with a lazy attitude.
I'm merely repeating a bit of information that was included in a History Channel show regarding Hitler. Hitler is said to have been a lazy person. He apparently spent a lot of "busy" time lounging wherever he might be.
If you have a problem with the info, call the History Channel. I'm sure they haven't read a damn thing on any subject, Ripsnot. :lol
TBolt
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Originally posted by NUKE
When is France going to demand Saddam's release? That's all I'm waiting for at this point
I DEMAND HIS RELEASE!!!:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Mathman
Here is a pic I found that perfectly illustrates how we chased Saddam down:
(http://webpages.charter.net/mathmanahs/matrixsaddam.jpg)
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Maverick
What purpose does it have to warehouse him? Once he has provided the information needed do we keep him alive as a rallying point for further violence or do we allow him to be removed from the earth based on his own actions?
Let the Iraqi's decide that.
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Originally posted by Mathman
Here is a pic I found that perfectly illustrates how we chased Saddam down:
(http://webpages.charter.net/mathmanahs/matrixsaddam.jpg)
:lol :D :rofl :lol :D :rofl :rofl
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"BTW: Hammer and Sickle is on upper left corner of USSR flag."
I stand corrected. Did a google and looked up some images, and the flags I saw were Soviet.
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He will never let up on the WMD. Why or how an evil dictator allowed himself to be captured alive is beyond me. Hes not a very good evil dictator.
:lol
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WTG Rooks!
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Originally posted by senna
He will never let up on the WMD. Why or how an evil dictator allowed himself to be captured alive is beyond me. Hes not a very good evil dictator.
:lol
Like I've said in the past.. hes not a complete lunatic, seeks too much luxury.
One reason why he isn't known to be too zealous muslim... only as far as it's been helping him politically.
Could've only seen him dead in the case US would've got him with bombs or missiles, but up close.. nah.. only if someone accidently shot him.
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Well think about it, he used WMD on the kurds after he lost gulf war I. Hes murdered thousands of civilians. Hes an evil dictator. What can they plea offer him to get him to admit his evil deeds as ruler of Iraq. A lesser sentence for murdering thousands. He was better off dead, even for his own sake. For the coalition sake, hes much better off alive though.
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Though my own ignorant opinion is that it might not be a good idea to have him alive for too long else some terrorist group might capture an airliner and hold the passengers as hostages on his behalf or something like that.
I hope that get Osama though, alive so they can torture him.
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Originally posted by Scatcat
My Squadmates and many other US/UK aviators had bountys on our heads making "containment" flights over northern and southern Iraq. I don't care about WMDs. The man was actively engaged in trying to kill my buddies for the past decade. I hope he rots in jail.
your squadies are flying over territory of other country and their thinking is nice example of "green brain" thinking
fact that you dont care about WMD is another nice example, that propaganda is running well.
http://english.pravda.ru/diplomatic/2001/11/09/20453.html
http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/iraq/press/0306blckwl.htm
http://www.voice4change.org/stories/showstory.asp?file=030228~to.asp
http://www.backwoodshome.com/columns/duffy030219.html
well according to these links, who did consider kill or judge Sadam to be a priority or success before war ?
do you have any pre war post, whitch say, that you are going there to secure people and you realy dont care about relations between terrorist and SH or WMD ?
if you have, post it please i couldnt find any
thx
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Originally posted by senna
Well think about it, he used WMD on the kurds after he lost gulf war I. Hes murdered thousands of civilians. Hes an evil dictator. What can they plea offer him to get him to admit his evil deeds as ruler of Iraq. A lesser sentence for murdering thousands. He was better off dead, even for his own sake. For the coalition sake, hes much better off alive though.
of course he killed a lot of people.... but he used to kill them 10 years ago .... what did your great administration do these 10 years ?
they never minded....
actualy how many people did die, because of lies of your administration ?
(i mean when you promised Shiaa, that you will support them if they uprise, so they uprised, you didnt support them and many many of them was killed.. and your administration?? .... umm well... ups)
i guess that bush used to study comunism a lot and he probably like it
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Originally posted by maslo
your squadies are flying over territory of other country and their thinking is nice example of "green brain" thinking
fact that you dont care about WMD is another nice example, that propaganda is running well.
http://english.pravda.ru/diplomatic/2001/11/09/20453.html
http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/iraq/press/0306blckwl.htm
http://www.voice4change.org/stories/showstory.asp?file=030228~to.asp
http://www.backwoodshome.com/columns/duffy030219.html
well according to these links, who did consider kill or judge Sadam to be a priority or success before war ?
do you have any pre war post, whitch say, that you are going there to secure people and you realy dont care about relations between terrorist and SH or WMD ?
if you have, post it please i couldnt find any
thx
Apparently orel seems to forget that Saddam attacked Kuwait
first, lost the war, then refused to follow the conditions set at the
end of the war by the UN.
The no-fly zones were put into effect to protect Iraq's
neighbors from future aggression from an obviously unrepentant
Hussein.
It fascinates me that anyone can willfully ignore the past
actions of someone like Saddam in order to foster their particular
anti-US/Western bias. Or maybe it's just that you are a tool.
Rino
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Originally posted by KanadianKrusty
WTG!!!, 1 down, 1 to go
yup ...
and next 5 could born next year
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Originally posted by maslo
of course he killed a lot of people.... but he used to kill them 10 years ago .... what did your great administration do these 10 years ?
they never minded....
actualy how many people did die, because of lies of your administration ?
(i mean when you promised Shiaa, that you will support them if they uprise, so they uprised, you didnt support them and many many of them was killed.. and your administration?? .... umm well... ups)
They should trial him then execute him.
i guess that bush used to study comunism a lot and he probably like it
No comment...
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Originally posted by Rino
It fascinates me that anyone can willfully ignore the past
actions of someone like Saddam in order to foster their particular
anti-US/Western bias. Or maybe it's just that you are a tool.
And US actually used to supported this sick bastard....
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well Rino
If you will look at US reasons to attack Iraq before war and compare them to things, whitch they consider to be a victory or success today, you will hardly find some same points.
got my point ?
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THIS JUST IN!!!
Saddam requests noted defense attorney Mark Geragos to represent him at trial...more to follow...Scott Peterson and Michael Jackson said to be deeply saddened...
Seriously though, WTFG 4th I.D. Godspeed....
Crapgame
Blue Knights Diversity Officer
http://www.we-know-whats-right.blogspot.com
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Originally posted by Fishu
And US actually used to supported this sick bastard....
Um, how many times do we have to bring up the lesser of
two evils issue? Iran was considered a much bigger threat
to the interests of the US than Iraq at the time.
Politics is a constantly changing scenario, for example
Finland gladly accepted the help of Nazi Germany during
the Continuation War. Something tells me that might not
happen today. It's certainly not something I personally
hold against Finland, options get limited when someone
attacks you.
Rino
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Originally posted by maslo
well Rino
If you will look at US reasons to attack Iraq before war and compare them to things, whitch they consider to be a victory or success today, you will hardly find some same points.
got my point ?
Yes, I get your point. You don't consider our reasons for
attacking Iraq valid. My point is that your point is not
relevant to me. Saddam's refusal to cooperate and his
support of terrorism were good enough reasons for me.
I am curious as to what benefit having the Hussein regime
remain in power would be to you and your country? I know
from your obvious moral outrage that it couldn't be something
as crass as monetary gain. This brings up the conundrum of
the Iraqi people though, what about their prospects under
Saddam? Or is it the dictator's situation himself which stirs
your passions?
Rino
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Originally posted by Rino
Um, how many times do we have to bring up the lesser of
two evils issue? Iran was considered a much bigger threat
to the interests of the US than Iraq at the time.
Politics is a constantly changing scenario, for example
Finland gladly accepted the help of Nazi Germany during
the Continuation War. Something tells me that might not
happen today. It's certainly not something I personally
hold against Finland, options get limited when someone
attacks you.
Let's see.. US approved the use of WMD by Saddam?
Finland and Nazi Germany? I doubt US had already been invaded by Iran, lost territories to Iran and waited for it's next attack..
Threat to US... :lol
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Originally posted by Fishu
Let's see.. US approved the use of WMD by Saddam?
Finland and Nazi Germany? I doubt US had already been invaded by Iran, lost territories to Iran and waited for it's next attack..
Threat to US... :lol
You would be wrong. US was in fact invaded by Iran when they took over the US Embassy (US territory) in '78.
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Originally posted by maslo
your squadies are flying over territory of other country and their thinking is nice example of "green brain" thinking
fact that you dont care about WMD is another nice example, that propaganda is running well.
http://english.pravda.ru/diplomatic/2001/11/09/20453.html
http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/iraq/press/0306blckwl.htm
http://www.voice4change.org/stories/showstory.asp?file=030228~to.asp
http://www.backwoodshome.com/columns/duffy030219.html
well according to these links, who did consider kill or judge Sadam to be a priority or success before war ?
do you have any pre war post, whitch say, that you are going there to secure people and you realy dont care about relations between terrorist and SH or WMD ?
if you have, post it please i couldnt find any
thx
Its a personal thing you putz. I don't care what the reasons my gov. went to get him. I am just glad we did. We finally have a CINC with a backbone. GWB!
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Originally posted by AKIron
You would be wrong. US was in fact invaded by Iran when they took over the US Embassy (US territory) in '78.
do you mean that mission, when US soldiers got lost somewhere in iran and they were glad to make it home w/o seen Tehran ? :D
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Originally posted by maslo
do you mean that mission, when US soldiers got lost somewhere in iran and they were glad to make it home w/o seen Tehran ? :D
What can I say, our CIC was a Democrat.
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Yeah, the US military has always been overrated. Just ask around; anyone can tell you we're just paper tigers.
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Originally posted by Scatcat
Its a personal thing you putz. I don't care what the reasons my gov. went to get him. I am just glad we did. We finally have a CINC with a backbone. GWB!
if you were read these links, you would note, that get SH wasnt nor primary nor secondary goal ...... at all it wasnt even reason for invasion
reason were WMD, Terrorism...
WMD werent found, Terrorism increased
so basicaly you are realy extreme successfully after this capture ... coz its probably the first good thing, whitch you have done in ME
question is if attack on US will grow, coz they already dont need you
or if they will stop.... (it never happen in history of occupied countries)
according to news that 50% of Iraqi soldiers run away from army, fun is not over yet
assimilation of people doesnt go that well does it ? Actualy does these poor girls still wear viels ?
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Originally posted by maslo
question is if attack on US will grow, coz they already dont need you
or if they will stop.... (it never happen in history of occupied countries)
Not true, the US still occupies Germany and Japan, as well as some other previously axis countries and there haven't been any significant attacks there in a long time.
Occupation may not be the best description for our military presence in said countries.
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Yep and the Czechs stopped resisting the USSR after 1969.
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Well, I think now the question of WMD will at last be answered.
They've got the guy they say was developing/deploying the WMD in hand.
He'll "break" eventually and he'll tell them what he knows. Then there'll be a period while what he has said is checked out and either validated or not.
I'm thinking the 4-6 month range should certainly prove definitive one way or the other.
I don't think that Sad Sack can hold out for much more than a few months, tops. Then they'll need a couple of months to track stuff down.
So, we should have some answers one way or the other.
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I'm thinking the 4-6 month range should certainly prove definitive one way or the other.
Your time estimates has been dead wrong before right? :D
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We just found the principal WMD .
USA and her friends have overthrown a genocidal dictator again. History will not look kindly on those who tried to stop us.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Yep and the Czechs stopped resisting the USSR after 1969.
hehe you probably mean 1968
and you probably dont know much about situation
czech werent defending.. political situation here was similary to contemporary china.
we had comunist regime, but it wasnt so idiotic like russian and that was the problem ... so somebody called to russian and told them that we are preparing contrarevolution, and it was basicaly bullsh|t.....
so big brother came here to free us by occupation from evil and they started to teac hus whats "right" for us
http://www.utia.cas.cz/CZrep/1968/1968r.html
http://library.thinkquest.org/C001155/index1.htm
well occupation is realy best way how to make friends... hitler and russian could speak about it .... but contemporary US copy their habbits w/o any diferences... same propaganda, same cheap BS
1. explain your citizens that they are the best
2. explain them that they are in danger
and machine is rolling
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And yet another day....
That it MUST SUCK TO BE A BUSH HATER!!!
:D :aok
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Maslo there were some riots on Aug 21 1969, put down by USSR troops. Nice attempt at changing the subject though. The fact is that Soviet occupation of Czech was quite a big success. It was not until the USSR itself collapsed that the Czechs had the balls to fight again.
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Well, if they have him six months and can't show anything in the WMD area, I'd be inclined to think they were wrong about it.
Unlike you, say, who has decided, based on your own private intel or personal opinion, that there never were any WMD, couldn't BE any WMD and made that decision over a year ago.
I guess I'm a "wait and see" kind of guy, given Saddam's history of actually using WMD.
Unlike you who just KNEW he's been innocent all along.
:lol
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Originally posted by Suave
We just found the principal WMD .
what do you mean by "principal WMD" ?
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Oh the wonders of some czech guy talking about resistance to foreign occupation, the laughs, the comedy....
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Maslo there were some riots on Aug 21 1969, put down by USSR troops. Nice attempt at changing the subject though. The fact is that Soviet occupation of Czech was quite a big success. It was not until the USSR itself collapsed that the Czechs had the balls to fight again.
Aug 21 ?
there were no demonstration... at loeast not big one.... it was hard normalization... if you look bad on red star, you would end in a jail for next 50 years and all your family members as well
there was
21 Aug 1968 = Invasion of Czechoslovakia by the armies of five states of the Warsaw Pact
what exactly did you mean ... ??
i found only this
07 Aug 1964 = Outbreak of war in Viet Nam
05 Jan 1968 = Pro-reform Alexander Dubcek elected as Chief of Czechoslovak Communist Party
30 Mar 1968 = Gen. Ludvik Svoboda, president of Czechoslovakia
04 Apr 1968 = Martin Luther King murdered in Memphis
21 Aug 1968 = Invasion of Czechoslovakia by the armies of five states of the Warsaw Pact
30 Oct 1968 = Law on federative arrangement within Czechoslovakia
16 Jan 1969 = Self-immolation (as a political protest) of student Jan Palach in Prague
19 Jan 1969 = Student Jan Palach dies at Prague
?? Apr 1969 = G. Husak replaces A. Dubcek at the head of the Communist Party, after "Ice-hockey Events"
27 Jan 1973 = End of war in Viet Nam
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/SpanSoft/tl_cze.txt
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http://www.lib.umich.edu/spec-coll/czech/czrussian.html
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Oh the wonders of some czech guy talking about resistance to foreign occupation, the laughs, the comedy....
yup its comedy to be occupied 2x in one century ....
at least we know , hows it go and we know true meaning of word "occupation"
look even communist didnt use occupation by russian but normalization by army of Warz/ pakt
lol
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Back on topic.
The point is that this statement is false:
Originally posted by maslo
question is if attack on US will grow, coz they already dont need you
or if they will stop.... (it never happen in history of occupied countries)
Proven by Germany, Japan, CZ, and many other places occupied by USSR and USA.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
http://www.lib.umich.edu/spec-coll/czech/czrussian.html
yup thats it 1968 :)
not 1969
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Maslo, you could run a John Deere riding mower off your sense of self-satisfaction. What etopia do you hail from that allows you to see all the drawbacks of our tyrannical, narrow-minded society?
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Originally posted by maslo
yup thats it 1968 :)
not 1969
http://www.lib.umich.edu/spec-coll/czech/pg3.html
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Back on topic.
The point is that this statement is false:
Proven by Germany, Japan, CZ, and many other places occupied by USSR and USA.
well it wasnt point, it was question
well after 1968 a lot of people has been executed and arested ..
so basicaly yes, ocupation do lead to increasing resistence
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jezus on Aug 21 1969 was celebration ("demonstration") because Czech did play Hockey agains Russia
at least it say czech version of that text
its was protest(celebration) coz our hockey team won match with Russian team ... so people went out and destroyed few streets
point of this statement was to say " hey Russian its OK, we have it under control" and to remind people what did happenand could happen again) 21 Aug, 1968
So yup, you were right about riot...
well if we had balls or not ... chmmm ... if you will realize, that we made some economical reforms (w/o any anti russian demonstration) and they sent here Army to control situation, how exactly should 10 mil. of people fight agains them ? :D ... some people did burn themself, to show protest and some went out to make some riot ... well T-55 explained them where to go
Czech resistence ended with "new" president, whitch has been chosen by Russian it was in 1968 or early 1969
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Slow down a bit Mas, you become a little hard to comprehend when you get excited.
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dont tell me man.. sometime i find, that i do write " they do bla bla bla" and in few mins when i read it again ( and i have problem to understand it myself) i find that i forgot "nt".. i wanted to write "they dont blablabla" ... geeez ... its already a bit late here.... anyway that was proper mess about 21 aug of 1968 and 21 aug of 1969 :)
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Gscholz: History is indeed written by the Victors, but depending on who the victor is, history may well be subjected to scrutiny by people like you and me. So it really depends on the victor.
I would have a tendency to think that our western Victors from WW2 and on allow us relatively much liberty in that department compared to many other (cough" unmentioned ones.
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Originally posted by Maniac
Your time estimates has been dead wrong before right? :D
You got me thinking..... and, I think you're wrong. I haven't been "dead wrong" from my initial offer on the wager.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80932&highlight=wager
Originally posted by Toad
Further, I'll stipulate that they will either USE the chem/bio against our troops in the coming invasion or large stocks of chem/bio will be found...... with the attendant world press to document same...... within a year after the invasion...
Of course, 10Bears wouldn't take that timeframe, so in order to get him to commit it had to be signifiantly shortened. But I did figure it was going to take a year after the invasion when I posted way back in Mar03.
Hmmmm.. they declared an end to hostilities on 01May03. I said let's give it another four to six months now that they have SH to interrogate.
It's December03 now, four more months would be?
;)
We'll see if I was dead wrong. Look like I had a pretty accurate timetable for my bet though.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Slow down a bit Mas, you become a little hard to comprehend when you get excited.
Well his English is still better than our Czech. :)
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True Funked... My Russian, however, is better than his English but I didn't want to bring that up just yet out of fear of being branded a genocidal tyrant on yet another level. Maybe if he gets some sleep things will simmer down by the morning... I'm gonna go watch T3 with my girlfriend now and after that maybe get a little.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
I didn't want to bring that up just yet out of fear of being branded a genocidal tyrant on yet another level.
Cant help it, your an evil amreekan, right?
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As evil and as Amreekan as they come.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
As evil and as Amreekan as they come.
Yep, just today I personally oppressed 32 south american peasants, 17 philipinos, 12 inuits, 43 chinese, 5 afghans, 234 arabs and other muslims, 3 pygmies and have offended 569 genuine europeans, liberals and canadians. Being an evil amreekan is hard work, phew...
How bout you?
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I oppressed about three million South-east Asian children, 42 different south american tribes, an entire African country, 506 helpless chickens, about 137 vegans and just recently, one 22 year old brunette who says if I don't turn the computer off now I can go ahead and spend the night with it.
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davitpt40, **** you, you bloodthirsty usa hating pig. I'm sure you were devestated that none of our boys were killed durinmg this raid...
Grunherz, I can picture you sitting at your computer, tears streaming down your face as you read my post. But that is only because you are weak-minded.
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"...We'll see if I was dead wrong. Look like I had a pretty accurate timetable for my bet though.".
You really are a glutton for punishment. 10Bears, you listening to this?
yowser
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Originally posted by davidpt40
Grunherz, I can picture you sitting at your computer, tears streaming down your face as you read my post. But that is only because you are weak-minded.
Yes only strong minded individuals like you gloat at the deaths of American soldiers in the field fighting for our country...
I bow to your amazing mental and moral superiority.... :rolleyes:
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All in all, I'll bet Saddam is pretty happy about falling into American hands rather than those of the Sunni Muslims. They would have put a whole new spin on the delivery of his Miranda Rights:
You hab da right do remain zilent! Anydin yu zay vill be uset agains yu in a courd ob law! You hab a right do an addorney! Ib yu cannod afford won, won vill be abbointed do yu py de courd!
Do yu understand dese rights dad I hab red do yu?
Regards, Shuckins
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man I take the day off from forum posting and look what happens LOL.
I heard an interesting report on fox news (fair and balence propaganda as the librals would say) about the head of hammas. Basically the terrorist called sadam a coward because he told everyone to fight to the last man and die trying to stem the invasion. I thaught this is interesting that even terrorists like hammas are realizing that this man is a coward.
WTG 4th ID....maybe a little sleep depravation and some sodium pentathol and will find out who he gave the weapons to in syria.
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Originally posted by Fishu
No, it was footage against some other building.
The flag with writing on it, had 3 or 4 lines in smaller letters
Most people were also nearer to the wall and looked more towards the camera.
The emblem however was seen faintly on the flags in the footage.
Not sure was it in all flags or not, but at least in 3
Iraqi commies must hate Saddam too.
(http://www.timesunion.com/center/graphics/front1214baghdad.jpg)
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I figured it out.....just saw a sign on CNN that read this
"due to local shortages Habad Shelik Mohammad's flag, gun, and cammel Liquidators inc. only has surpluss USSR flags. If you wish to wave a flag of another nation Shelik Mohammad's flag. gun, and cammel, Liquidators inc. appologizes for this inconvienence."
lol
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Well,when it comes to sentencing him..I hope they dump crude over his head and light a match.
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Originally posted by AKIron
You would be wrong. US was in fact invaded by Iran when they took over the US Embassy (US territory) in '78.
Uh huh... what a great threat to the US....
I can picture them invading US itself.... uh huh...
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It's good. :aok
I'm surprised he is still alive, considering he can potienally embarrass alot of top goverment officals from many countries. ;)
They need a Jack Ruby.
:rofl
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I say WTG on capturing Saddam alive. I seriously thought he wouldnt be allowed to by either side.
I unlike the Canadian Government believe in the death penalty and feel that he is deserving of it. So just do it already, after he is milked. (he is still saying there were no WMD)
How I feel about your US administration is completely different as to how I feel about the American People.
Big Smoochies to all.
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Originally posted by NUKE
When is France going to demand Saddam's release? That's all I'm waiting for at this point
when are you gonna grow a brain? That's all I'm waitin for at this point:aok
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Originally posted by Suave
We just found the principal WMD .
USA and her friends have overthrown a genocidal dictator again. History will not look kindly on those who tried to stop us.
your History.....or somone else's.....but wait a minute....who cares about anyone else's History.....sowwy:rolleyes:
perception of events in time as seen by 2 different persons will invariably be describe in 2 different fashions.....which person are you going too chose to make your History.....left or right.....Iraqian or American.....British or American...British or Iraqian.
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"He didn't seem apologetic. He seemed defiant, trying to find excuses for the crimes in the same way he did in the past," said Adel Abdel-Mahdi, a senior official of a Shiite Muslim political party who, along with other Iraqi leaders, visited Saddam in captivity.
"When we told him, 'If you go to the streets now, you will see the people celebrating,'" Abdel-Mahdi said. "He answered, 'Those are mobs.' When we told him about the mass graves, he replied, 'Those are thieves.'"
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
"If you go to the streets now,you will see the people celebrating"
You mean like when they toppled the Saddam statue?
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by SLO
when are you gonna grow a brain? That's all I'm waitin for at this point:aok
Personal attacks will not be tolerated.
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Nothing personal Nuke,but when is your next monkey brain transplant?
:D
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Nothing personal Nuke,but when is your next monkey brain transplant?
:D
Ooooo Good one!!:rolleyes:
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Nuke is quoting Skuzzy, guys. Watch your P's and Q's. Unless you want to lose the privelege to post in the Officers club.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Nuke is quoting Skuzzy, guys. Watch your P's and Q's. Unless you want to lose the privelege to post in the Officers club.
yup yup I understand rip-meister......
but see.....he should've NOT posted about the French.....this was a SADDAM thread.....hence the grow a brain comment:aok
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Nothing personal Nuke,but when is your next monkey brain transplant?
:D
Nuke can't get a transplant if he even needed one. You have the monkey brain market all tied up. They can't find one small enough to fit you! :p :p :lol
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Originally posted by SLO
yup yup I understand rip-meister......
but see.....he should've NOT posted about the French.....this was a SADDAM thread.....hence the grow a brain comment:aok
I'm still confused of the reasoning... "off topic" reply equating to a personal insult. Can you explain that alittle further?
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Originally posted by Toad
Well, if they have him six months and can't show anything in the WMD area, I'd be inclined to think they were wrong about it.
Unlike you, say, who has decided, based on your own private intel or personal opinion, that there never were any WMD, couldn't BE any WMD and made that decision over a year ago.
I guess I'm a "wait and see" kind of guy, given Saddam's history of actually using WMD.
Let's not underestimate the outstanding and extraordinary huge numbers that Bush used to argue his case.
Bush didn't say Saddam just has paper plans for WMD,
He didnt' say that Saddam as a few envelope's of Antrhax....
Bush claimed Saddam has STOCK PILES of WMD ready to USE with in 45 minutes...
We're talking about so MUCH WMD that it would take large facilities to store them.
We're talking about so MUCH WMD that there would be barrels and barrels of this stuff stretching for acres.
I'm not exagerrating in this characterization...
in fact...
Let's find a quote from Mr. Bush from his January State of the Union address...
Here's one... and the source is the US Whitehouse.gov [not a liberal Op-Ed]
"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent. ....
U.S. intelligence indicates that Saddam Hussein had upwards of 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents . ... Saddam Hussein has not accounted for the remaining 29,984 of these prohibited munitions."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html
Where are these WMD? I know buried under the sand in the desert...
Ok... 6 more months... and let's wait and see... better yet let's wait until November 2004 before drawing a final conclusion - about WMD in Iraq.
Maybe Bush can fabricate another lie and start another war before he's fired.
Saddam was a bad man....
However, waging war with US soldiers' lives and justifying that cause with lies makes Bush a bad man too.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Nuke can't get a transplant if he even needed one. You have the monkey brain market all tied up. They can't find one small enough to fit you! :p :p :lol
Can't argue the topic... so, resort to personal attacks? Typical.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
"If you go to the streets now,you will see the people celebrating"
You mean like when they toppled the Saddam statue?
:rolleyes:
Later the news media showed a panned out photo of that event... were very very few Iraqi's in the square....
It was staged US propaganda event.
There was even a report that US special ops were instructing Iraq's to concentrate and spread out in one area so when they took the photo it looked like a crowd!!!
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Staged US propaganda with Iraqis waving Communist flags? Yeah.....that makes perfect sense....:aok
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Ya know the sad thing is that there actually are many Americans that think like Nexus. I was watching CSpan when some woman called in crying about how wrong it was for us to be in Iraq. That it was all about Bush stealing their oil and the capture of Saddam was timed for political reasons.
There seems to be a rising number of people that care for nothing other than the success of their political party and that for very selfish reasons. I'm hoping it's not actually numbers that are increasing but rather an increased vocalness due to desperation.
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Saw this excellent post on the BBC website and thought it worth repeating here:
The 35-year-old myth of Saddam Hussein al Tikriti - the supreme leader who many thought would never be taken alive - crumbled in five minutes. How ironic that his only possessions were 750,000 photos of Benjamin Franklin and Independence Hall. Osama... dig a deeper hole - you're next!
Erik T Marketan, New York City, USA
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
Staged US propaganda with Iraqis waving Communist flags? Yeah.....that makes perfect sense....:aok
The reference to the event months ago when the statue of Saddam was taken down by a "supposidly" spontaneous crowd of celebrating Iraqi's with the assistence of US forces....
The pictures released by the military showed a "huge" crowd.... however, it was later revealed with a panned out picture.. the crowd was not huge at all...
The entire event was staged... and the Iraqi's were given US flags to wave.
US soldier even placed a flag over the statue - which cause a big PR problem.... it made the US look like it was occupying Iraq...
Wait it is!
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
We're talking about so MUCH WMD that it would take large facilities to store them.
We're talking about so MUCH WMD that there would be barrels and barrels of this stuff stretching for acres.
I'm not exagerrating in this characterization...
From David Kay's report to Congress:
Let me turn now to chemical weapons (CW). In searching for retained stocks of chemical munitions, ISG has had to contend with the almost unbelievable scale of Iraq's conventional weapons armory, which dwarfs by orders of magnitude the physical size of any conceivable stock of chemical weapons. For example, there are approximately 130 known Iraqi Ammunition Storage Points (ASP), many of which exceed 50 square miles in size and hold an estimated 600,000 tons of artillery shells, rockets, aviation bombs and other ordinance. Of these 130 ASPs, approximately 120 still remain unexamined. As Iraqi practice was not to mark much of their chemical ordinance and to store it at the same ASPs that held conventional rounds, the size of the required search effort is enormous.
500 tons of WMD agenst like VX? Let's see;; 250 gallons of water weighs about 2100 pounds. So let's say five 55 gallon drums would hold a ton of water. That's generous, eh? Assuming VX weighs about the same as water (and I'd guess it's probably heavier, so we're again being generous here), there'd be 2500 drums of all of it together.
Yeah, you could never hide 2500 drums of anything in a small country like Iraq. Certainly not in a 50 square mile ammo depot. And you sure couldn't bury them like you would bury, say, a whole squadron of MiG 25's.
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
Let's not underestimate the outstanding and extraordinary huge numbers that Bush used to argue his case.
Bush didn't say Saddam just has paper plans for WMD,
He didnt' say that Saddam as a few envelope's of Antrhax....
Bush claimed Saddam has STOCK PILES of WMD ready to USE with in 45 minutes...
We're talking about so MUCH WMD that it would take large facilities to store them.
We're talking about so MUCH WMD that there would be barrels and barrels of this stuff stretching for acres.
I'm not exagerrating in this characterization...
in fact...
Let's find a quote from Mr. Bush from his January State of the Union address...
Here's one... and the source is the US Whitehouse.gov [not a liberal Op-Ed]
"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent. ....
U.S. intelligence indicates that Saddam Hussein had upwards of 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents . ... Saddam Hussein has not accounted for the remaining 29,984 of these prohibited munitions."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html
Where are these WMD? I know buried under the sand in the desert...
Ok... 6 more months... and let's wait and see... better yet let's wait until November 2004 before drawing a final conclusion - about WMD in Iraq.
Maybe Bush can fabricate another lie and start another war before he's fired.
Saddam was a bad man....
However, waging war with US soldiers' lives and justifying that cause with lies makes Bush a bad man too.
yep
bush & saddam equal bad ppl :rolleyes:
some would have complained if they'd arrested hitler in '39 too ...
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Godwin's Law ^
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Originally posted by AKIron
There seems to be a rising number of people that care for nothing other than the success of their political party and that for very selfish reasons. I'm hoping it's not actually numbers that are increasing but rather an increased vocalness due to desperation.
And in turn - your thinking and logic is deluded.
Based upon the context of this discusion, and you're reply to my comment, you first wrongly assume that "I" and people who share my opinion belong to a political party. I do not.... and I have no "selfish" reason for my comments.
The facts are Bush is a liar. This will be proven when no WMD are found in Iraq... and so far this is the truth.
He lied about the justififcation for America going to war with Iraq.
I was ok with him up until he started lying to justify his point of view.
Bush is no better than Clinton, and in fact is worse... because US soldiers are now dead because of Bush's lies.
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You have to draw a distinction between the "news" that is coloured as favorably as it can be while the war is on and the "intelligence" that was coloured or distorted as much as it had to be to meet the administratoins goal of invading Iraq.
That a country at war tells its story in a way that supports the effort and keeps the moral up and justifies its actions is the only way that it ever has happend or ever will. The alternative is hard ot even imagine.
But exaclty the same behavior, used to get into a war, destroys the democratic process. Democrocies are supposed to be hard to get to wage aggressive war. Aggressive war is almost the antiithisis of democrocy.
So I think we all expect Polititians to lie about thier records..thier policies and their intentions. But when lies are used to start a war. Thats an ugly one.
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^^Lies or bad intel? Or does it make a difference to you?
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Originally posted by Toad
Yeah, you could never hide 2500 drums of anything in a small country like Iraq. Certainly not in a 50 square mile ammo depot. And you sure couldn't bury them like you would bury, say, a whole squadron of MiG 25's.
I'm patient... he has until November 2004 to find them.
But remember Bush said he had US Intelligence which was irrefutable proof Iraq had WMD.
That should mean, he had sattelite photos, human eye witnesses... some kind of evidence which wasn't just speculation... but hard core evidence of what the WMD's were and where they were located in Iraq.
And when the UN said put up or shut up. The US gave Intell to UN inspectors and nothing was found.
The US is in control of Iraq... torturing... eh I mean in terrogating former Iraqi scientists and leaders.. and still... what? Nothing has been found. Iraqi's are giving up former leaders left and right for money... yet... no on has come forward with information on WMD?
Why not? Again the same answer seems to follow... perhaps there are no WMD.
Rationalize all you want... so far, WMD have not been found, and that means all your talk and all the other Pro-Bush/War supporter's talk is just that - talk....
And the Bush lies are unwraveling every day.
I'm curious to know what all you "believers" will delude your selves to believe in November 2004... when after a year and a half... WMD are not found.
The liberals stole them, perhaps? Yah blame the liberals.
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No what we will believe is that even a bad Bush is better than ANY liberal.
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
I was ok with him up until he started lying to justify his point of view.
Exactly..If he(GWB) had been more straight up about the reasons for going back into Iraq...Even if UN didn't buy it..it would have been much easier to accept the human losses that have encurred.
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
I'm patient... he has until November 2004 to find them.
And when he does? You'll vote for him?
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Originally posted by AKIron
And when he does? You'll vote for him?
If WMD are found, and it turns out he was not lying... Yes I would vote for him.
I can change my point of view when evidence leads to a different conclusion.
Bush's visit to Iraq on Thanksgiving was the right thing to do... he scored a few points with me that day.
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
If WMD are found, and it turns out he was not lying... Yes I would vote for him.
I can change my point of view when evidence leads to a different conclusion.
Bush's visit to Iraq on Thanksgiving was the right thing to do... he scored a few points with me that day.
Would or will vote for him? I suspect that if and when they are found you'll find some other reason to despise him. But hey, you're free to prove me wrong.
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
Rationalize all you want...
Too funny coming from you.
"and so far this is the truth".
:rofl
BTW, I've made my position on WMD and the Iraq invasion as it relates to support of Bush very clearly and done it several times. I'm not giving him until November either.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Would or will vote for him? I suspect that if and when they are found you'll find some other reason to despise him. But hey, you're free to prove me wrong.
Whether I do or not... so what.
I can explain my reasons for liking him or not liking him.
Unlike many on this board who only bleat out the mindless message Fox News and the right wing media programs them to repeat.
It's rather simple, Bush justified the Iraqi war by saying they had WMD - stock piles of them, ready to use against Americans... they haven't been found - his words don't match the truth.
400 Americans are dead...worse. over 6,000 are wounded and maimed - those numbers are not being reported!
Those are Americans who must live with disabilities for the rest of their lives, because of a war justified by lies.
Bush is violating internation law and the US consitution with his actions at GITMO.
The courts will settle this... cases are before the supreme court... there's talk in congress of redrafting the patriot and war powers act...
This is democracy at work.... right now Bush as the freedom to do his thing... and history will be the judge and so will the American people come November 2004.
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
Whether I do or not... so what.
"So what" was my question to you about you're previous post. What happens if they don't find 'em by November? You seem to be implying you were giving him until then and then you would...what?
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
There was even a report that US special ops were instructing Iraq's to concentrate and spread out in one area so when they took the photo it looked like a crowd!!!
Show me, please
or it this one of THOSE reports
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What's ur email Scooter?..I'll send you the photograph.
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
stock piles of them, ready to use against Americans... they haven't been found - his words don't match the truth.
Perfect example of the "truth so far" right?
:rofl
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Originally posted by AKIron
"So what" was my question to you about you're previous post. What happens if they don't find 'em by November? You seem to be implying you were giving him until then and then you would...what?
he has until Nov 2004 to find WMD or else... it will be self evident to everyone in America (even though it's self evident to everyone outside of America) - he lied about them.
And I think he'll be voted out of office.
by that time... I think most American's even the believers will question why they believed this liar... and former CEO who ran every company he ever lead into bankruptcy....
Many of you neo-cons are still saying there's WMD... they are just so well hidden...
Ok.. how much time do you need to find them? Even though supposidly... you have all this US Intelligence which proves they exist.
There's "talk"... which is what you neo-cons like to do so well ... and there's reality.... no WMD exist.
My point... Bush is a liar.... just like Clinton.... the only difference... Bush's lies gets people killed.
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Originally posted by Toad
Perfect example of the "truth so far" right?
:rofl
sure "truth so far"... will be the same come November 2004.
Be prepared to be in denial or find some other "excuse" to rationalize your belief in this guy when WMD are not found by that time.
Do you think if they pull Saddam's fingernails out.. he'll admit he has WMD? He ought to know. Right?
Or may be he was kept in the dark by the "secret iraqi WMD police"?
Yah that's the ticket!
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
sure "truth so far"... will be the same come November 2004.
Sorry, chum. That's your opinion presented as fact or "truth" as I suppose you would have us believe.
We'll see.
And before you lump me in with those who will have to "rationalize their belief in this guy", do yourself a favor and actually research what I've said about it.
Because clearly, your "truth so far" in that instance is totally incorrect.
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Originally posted by Toad
We'll see.
And that's the only thing any one talking on this board can do is wait and see.
I think Bush lied to get America into this war....
Did he lie intentially... I don't know... perhaps, he and his people are so far deluded and isolated from reality... he will grasp upon anything which supports what he believes.
Many intel analysts are complaining the Whitehouse stove piped intel and didn't listen to their full analysis of the Iraqi WMD situation.
Did he do it to protect America or to profit... I don't know.
So, far his justifications, have not been proven true.
We'll see.
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
I think Bush lied
Yeah, you've got an unsupported opinion.
Gosh, do you realize how unique that makes you?
But don't let it stop you from presenting your opinion as the only "truth so far" out here.
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Originally posted by maslo
do you mean that mission, when US soldiers got lost somewhere in iran and they were glad to make it home w/o seen Tehran ? :D
Unfortunetly bad intel given to our military planners on that mission. Landing zone turned out to be a highway. When our troops intercepted a busload of Iranians, they had to scrap the mission. That mission took balls though.
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Unfortunetly bad intel given to our military planners on that mission. Landing zone turned out to be a highway. When our troops intercepted a busload of Iranians, they had to scrap the mission. That mission took balls though.
It was also a message to Jimmy Carter, who went on to appear on TV before letting Reagan take office, and say that he was wrong in not supporting Congress in the build up of our lacking armed force training and equipment. Reagan signed the bills that Jimmy would not. Thus, our military began getting better equipment, proper training, and todays Armed forces is evidence of that.
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Originally posted by Toad
Yeah, you've got an unsupported opinion.
But don't let it stop you from presenting your opinion as the only "truth so far" out here.
Bush says Iraq has STOCK PILES of WMD - Bush's army owns Iraq... WMD have not been found - that's the blatant truth you neo-cons have to wake up to every day!
Your war has yet to find justification.
And the truth is... my opinion IS supported de facto, because this disparity between what Bush said and what is reality - IS the current truth.
Otherwise... please tell Bush where those WMD are... and then I promise you STFU and become a believer.
You have no proof to the contrary.... so your point of view is not only unsupported... but is very much a minority in the world.... not just America.
Whether Bush lied knowingly or not... is a matter of intention.... which no one can answer at this point in time.
I think he lied because there have ben numerous leaks from US Intel officials saying the white house stovepiped Intel.... but I haven't been able to read minds yet... so I could be wrong.
Don't stop believing in WMD in Iraq... I'm sure if you tap your heels together and repeat it 3 times... they'll magically appear.
In the mean time... US weapon inspectors will still be searching for them untill the next President (not Bush) puts an end to the illegal US occupation of Iraq.
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All true enough Rip, but also remember that we had double digit inflation and an economy in the dumper in the late 70's too. Carter's mandate was to cut. After Tehran, Reagan got a different message from the people. Doesn't make one right and one wrong.
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
And the truth is... my opinion IS supported de facto, because this disparity between what Bush said and what is reality - IS the current truth.
Otherwise... please tell Bush where those WMD are... and then I promise you STFU and become a believer.
The only known truth is that WMD have not been found. There is of course an unknown truth that there either are or aren't WMD hidden in the desert. I'm thinking that you won't be dictating any other truths to anyone. You do of course have the right and responsibility to vote your conscience come November but no one else's.
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Bomb Saddam (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/bomb.php)
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Originally posted by AKIron
The only known truth is that WMD have not been found. There is of course an unknown truth that there either are or aren't WMD hidden in the desert.
I think one of the dimest bulbs of our times said it best with this quote:
"There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns," [/B]
And that would be that babbling fool the US Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld.
bablee bablee bableee... dat's all folks
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The Real Hussein (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/realhussein.php)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
All true enough Rip, but also remember that we had double digit inflation and an economy in the dumper in the late 70's too. Carter's mandate was to cut. After Tehran, Reagan got a different message from the people. Doesn't make one right and one wrong.
Yep, Carter was only cutting where he thought he could, I don't blame him for that. I do credit Reagan in smart spending, regardless of deficit, for the defense of America.
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
I think one of the dimest bulbs of our times said it best with this quote:
"There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns,"
And that would be that babbling fool the US Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld.
bablee bablee bableee... dat's all folks [/B]
Makes sense to me, maybe you should stick with cartoons?
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Just how big a "stockpile" would 1000 liters of anthrax be? In cubic feet, if you would. Thanks.
Your opinion is supported de facto and ALSO by the world-wide majority? Thus it is valid and all must bow before your opinion?
Let's see, there was once an opinion that the world was flat. It was supported de facto by the world-wide majority.
Better find a better argument than that "de facto majority" one.
BTW, I've never said my opinion was anything BUT my opinion. I'm keeping an open mind on it for now. My timetable is shorter than yours however. And it's clear you haven't researched my position on the US invasion and I'm not going to do the work for you. I rather like you spouting off about me being a "neo-con"; it reinforces your lack of research on the issues in my eyes.
Oh, yeah... can you define "neo-con", at least as you understand it?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
It was also a message to Jimmy Carter, who went on to appear on TV before letting Reagan take office, and say that he was wrong in not supporting Congress in the build up of our lacking armed force training and equipment. Reagan signed the bills that Jimmy would not. Thus, our military began getting better equipment, proper training, and todays Armed forces is evidence of that.
Our military as a whole was handicapped, true (as Midmight Target states), but our military men on that mission were qualified IMHO. Nothing wanting about our men on that mission.
It was our detailed planning by others via bad intel that was wanting. Not saying that the mission would have succeeded mind you. That mission took balls.
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heh, with the case of anthrax, easiest way to get rid of it, would be to just spread it all over the desert - in couple of days it'd be harmless and in a week you wouldnt find a trace
He for sure won't have any big loads of anthrax, if he ever has had it for worth something.
completely harmless and in a week you wouldn't find a trace.
Gasses... he must've already used those against iranians and kurds - under the silent approval of US gov.
Gasses are pretty much the only thing which you might find in *loads* and most probable findings if something ever is to be found.
Somehow I doubt biological WMD would be ever discovered.
Since if he ever had bio WMD, those would been produced in very small quantities for testing purposes only, since bio WMD wouldn't be anywhere as easy to store as gas.
and like we've seen, Saddam was a coward, which makes even further unlikely...
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Our military as a whole was handicapped, true (as Midmight Target states), but our military men on that mission were qualified IMHO. Nothing wanting about our men on that mission.
It was our detailed planning by others via bad intel that was wanting. Not saying that the mission would have succeeded mind you. That mission took balls.
Qualified, but not properly trained. The entire US Special forces operations and training were turned completely upside down, inside out, after that mission. Its completely different in how it approaches an operation and the training for said operations. Yep, took balls, because we shouldn't have even been trying what we did with the training, assets we had at our disposal at the time of the mission.
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Originally posted by Toad
Just how big a "stockpile" would 1000 liters of anthrax be? In cubic feet, if you would. Thanks.
Your opinion is supported de facto and ALSO by the world-wide majority? Thus it is valid and all must bow before your opinion?
Let's see, there was once an opinion that the world was flat. It was supported de facto by the world-wide majority.
Better find a better argument than that "de facto majority" one.
I never said you had to bow... you may cowtow if you'd like... just don't slobber on my shoes, peasant.
"World is flat..." hmmm... this is not your usual Toad... you can do better... rather a desparate grasp for an arguement, Toad.
Let's put it this way... the world, today, concludes truth by evidence based reasoning not superstition or edict....
Bush would like to edict the facts about WMD in Iraq... and sounds like some of you on this board would like to believe Bush's edicts - after all he is the president... yet the rest of the world is still waiting on the evidence that WMD exist in Iraq.
STOCKPILE - that was Bush's word not mine. Ask him to define what STOCKPILES of WMD mean. Read the state of the union address... ihe uses that WORD several times to refer to how much WMD Iraq had. (link to whitehouse.gov is in previous post - read it!)
And he did claim that Iraq had FACTORIES making these weapons ... those are rather large and hard to hide - wouldn't you agree?
And when those FACTORIES were inspected... they didn't have a TRACE of WMD.... They DID have traces of pesticides and fertilizer.. but no Anthrax, or serin, or mustard gas or radio activity.
We have instruments that can detect minute traces of these chemicals... so sensative... that a spores on a key board... in a vent are detectable in a huge US GOV POST OFFICE.... surely a FACTORY producing LITRES would show some signal of these bio/chemicals WMD...
YET....
THEY DID NOT.
And what about those "Mobile weapons laboratories" that Colin Powel had AutoCad drawings of and were PROOF as to why UN inspectors couldn't find WMD?
Those were found!!!
YEAH!!! Proof!
NO - JUST ANOTHER EXAGERATION BY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION REVEALED TO BE A FABRIBCATION!
They turned out to be hydrogen generators for WEATHER balloons!
Do you believe the US State Department? You know the department run by Bush Political Appointee Colin Powel....
Here's what they say about those "MOBILE WEASPONS LABs"
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/arms/03052801.htm
And to think Colin had AUTO CAD DRAWINGS!!
Irrefutable US Intelligence that Iraq has WMD.
Where did he get those drawings from?
Intercepted intelligence from Iraqi sources?
No... THEY WERE FABRICATED by a white house aide!
Just like the story he told at the UN.
How many disconnections between what they say/said and what was found to be true do you need to believe that the Bush talk doesn't match reality?
There's a pattern of desception here.... ok you don't see it... don't want to believe it.
that's fine... click your heels... and return to land of Oz.
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Looks like you're the one that's "bought in" to me.
My position is out there; I've posted it several times. It's quite a bit different than what you have led yourself to believe. You simply haven't done the research, have a short memory or choose to ignore what I said. Maybe all three. But not knowing what you're talking about never changed your diatribes before, so I doubt it will change this one either.
You may continue the rant.
You never did define "neo-con". Please do.
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Originally posted by Toad
You never did define "neo-con". Please do.
I think it's their sly (imagined) attempt to equate conservatives with nazis/neo-nazis.
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I cant read.. 8(
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Sounds more like he took one of MG's classes.
Insane banter 101:
Misquote others 101:
Ignore or twist facts 101:
Name call when proven wrong 101:
Actually it sounds like he bought the whole package.
These are all pre-requisites for being a Democratic Presidential candidate.
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
I'm curious to know what all you "believers" will delude your selves to believe in November 2004... when after a year and a half... WMD are not found.
The liberals stole them, perhaps? Yah blame the liberals.
Its already been stated in this thread...
Was it a lie or bad intellegence.........
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Originally posted by kappa
lmao Toad.. sorry bro, but what kinda math is this??
250g = 2100lbs
55g = 1 ton(2000lbs)
500 tons total = 2500(55g drums) x 1 ton
maybe im just not smart enough.. is this linear equations?? I took math all the way till then and stopped.. did i miss something?
It has no reflection on above quote, but water weights roughly 8lbs/ gallon...
250g = .55lbs
55g = .12 lbs
I see nowhere in this thread that Toad posted your miscalculation.
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those weren't all my calculations and I had already changed it.. but thanks iron
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Originally posted by AKIron
250g = .55lbs
55g = .12 lbs
I see nowhere in this thread that Toad posted your miscalculation.
yours are missed too.. 8)
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Originally posted by kappa
yours are missed too.. 8)
g is abbreviation for gram not gallon which is gal, I misunderstood your post.
It seems you may also use "G" for gallon.
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Originally posted by Toad
Looks like you're the one that's "bought in" to me.
My position is out there; I've posted it several times. It's quite a bit different than what you have led yourself to believe. You simply haven't done the research, have a short memory or choose to ignore what I said. Maybe all three. But not knowing what you're talking about never changed your diatribes before, so I doubt it will change this one either.
You may continue the rant.
You never did define "neo-con". Please do.
Rant? No.
There's a disconnect between the accusations that Bush has made regarding WMD and what has actually been found.
I find it interesting how you and most of the other Bush supporters on this board have just dismissed all of these disconnects - like they never happened.
Seems to be no accountability.
When Colin Powel went to the UN, he presented the "Mobile Weapons Factories" as "the" smoking gun intelligence - that was going to prove Iraq had WMD.
And when those trucks were indeed found... the first reports out of Iraq were... WMD were found. After the trucks were examined, quietly they were reported to be hydrogen generators for weather balloons.
That's pretty incompetent! Big lack of credibility there!
Liquid filled artillery shells were found, the news reports out of the Pentagon... mustard gas found... when tested... quietly, turns out they were pesticides.
When facilities identified by "US intelligence" as biological and chemical weapons plants were examined... not a trace of WMD were found.
Kind of hard to hide the manufacture of LITRES of WMD!
Another disconnect with regards to credibility.
It's seem the Bush administration is not checking their intelligence or they are pretty damn imcompetent....
or they are lying.
No rant... I gave you the links... not Op-Ed's like you right wingers like to quote from...
I prefer US Government sources.
Bush speaks for hims self... and each day reports are coming out of the US Government that's refuting the Bush Administrations allegations about Iraq's STOCKPILES of WMD.
You're the one who is bought if if you continue to believe Bush after so many things he's said have been proven to be wrong.
Since you are now resorting to personal attacks... I take it you can't refute any of this.... and it's a sign of your own lack of knowledge of the subject matter.
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Originally posted by AKIron
g is abbreviation for gram not gallon which is gal, I misunderstood your post.
It seems you may also use "G" for gallon.
I used 'g' cause we be talkin bout gallons of liquid... 'g' can be whatever you difine it as.. unlike 'G' ..... everyone knows 'G' is the gravitational pull of the earth in relation to its mass.. 8)
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Originally posted by kappa
I used 'g' cause we be talkin bout gallons of liquid... 'g' can be whatever you difine it as.. unlike 'G' ..... everyone knows 'G' is the gravitational pull of the earth in relation to its mass.. 8)
As I mentioned, I misunderstood. I guess some symbols are reused, as is "g" for gravitational force.
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Originally posted by AKIron
As I mentioned, I misunderstood. I guess some symbols are reused, as is "g" for gravitational force.
just pokin dude... I was pretty far off Toad's post.. I missed a type word 'five'.... 8)
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No sweat. :aok