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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: GScholz on December 14, 2003, 08:57:46 PM
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What has happened to the CT? It used to be the sanctuary of air combat and fair play that AH players could retreat to when the MA dweebery got too bad. Now it even WORSE than the MA with suicidedweebs porking VHs and numbers always favouring the USN with about 2:1.
What happened? :(
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You're here posting instead of supporting the Emperor?
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LOL Arlo! :D :rofl
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Buncha newbs on Scholz and the allies aren't reignin em in so...
You get stuff like wave after wave of suicide JABOs porking fields and fleet admirals stacking their fleets to create massively insane walls of AAA. Saw 3 allied fleets stacked near A13 today 46 rounds of puff ack per salvo. For hell of it I flew a Zeke into it at 10k. From 1st round to death was 9 seconds.
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Originally posted by scJazz
Buncha newbs on Scholz and the allies aren't reignin em in so...
You get stuff like wave after wave of suicide JABOs porking fields and fleet admirals stacking their fleets to create massively insane walls of AAA. Saw 3 allied fleets stacked near A13 today 46 rounds of puff ack per salvo. For hell of it I flew a Zeke into it at 10k. From 1st round to death was 9 seconds.
Hell ... good for them! Stay away from those paper fleets shootin' mega-death puffs! I wouldn't reign `em in, either. If it keeps my F4U birdfarm floating and closer than the South Pole to the fight, I'm all for it. :D
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What "fight" Arlo?
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Don't be a spoiled sport. You either take the fight to the enemy or they take it to you. When waves of Peggies throw themselves at the fleet (quite often dying in the process) it's up to the Allied CAP to get in between them and the fleet and do their best to knock em down (again ... quite often dying in the process).
I'm sure the same can be done visa versa. Can't it? :D
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visa versa
Is that a credit card?
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Don't be a dweeb Arlo. Right now the Japanese are the gangers. Why isn't there ANY control of the player community? Forced side balance? The lack of policing this game is the main reason it has deteriorated into this. What once was a great simulator with air combat is now just a psudo-strategy game.
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I'm not the one being a dweeb right now, G. You're whining over stuff that's silly. You really want Brady or any other staffer to force players to keep sides perfectly even? To stop players from devising strategies (whether well or poorly executed) that you find offensive?
*chuckle* Gimme a break. Better yet, you take one. Go have a beer. Get laid. Loosen up. Come back and jump in and have fun and stop worrying so much about math and manners. ;)
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Yes, tell me it's all in my head. You haven't noticed that "game play" has changed the last year? It used to be good.
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Originally posted by Arlo
You really want Brady or any other staffer to force players to keep sides perfectly even? To stop players from devising strategies (whether well or poorly executed) that you find offensive?
Why not? Nearly every MMOG out there polices its players. "Unsportsmanship" and vultching is for instance not accepted in Fighter Ace. HTC is already policing this game's comunication, why not behavior also?
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It's still good! Players adapt to the enviroment they're in the best way they can. If you want "perfectly balanced numbers" or "fair play" or any of that crap, go join a bridge club. And I sure as hell don't know what CT arena you were in last year but the one I was in had fluctuating numbers, HO dweebs, gangbangs, milkrunners, suicide porkers, shallow water admirals, land-grabbers and spawn campers. I think the perfect world you saw WAS all in your head.
Now ... you gonna take my advice, step back, relax, take a deep breath and give it your best without taking it all personal or are you gonna be pissed off until things change back the way you think they used to be (which they won't)? :D
Either way, the CT will be the CT. The reason it's not the MA aren't the reasons you apparently think. Maybe you're thinking of the DA.
p.s. And I'm actually trying to give good advice to ya because I think you're worth my time.
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The kind of controls you seek are only available (to some degree) in the SEA events.
The CT is still an arena, and as such there is little they can do to "govern" behavior.
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Oh I feel so privileged, I'm worth Arlo's time!
The CT (or MA for that matter) wasn't perfect one year ago, but it wasn't so focussed on "strat" like it is now. There were gangbaging and porking and suicidedweebery, but not to the shameful extent we see now. There is nothing wrong with the "strat" concept as long as it is conducted the right way. In the CT ppl ACTUALLY tried to keep some balance. I don't see why HTC can't set SOME rules down to govern what is acceptable behaviour and what is not. ALL multiplayer communities I've been a part of has had some rules (apart from not cheating).
AH was an AIR COMBAT SIMULATOR. Now it's just a GAME. It's either Air Quake or a C&C Tank Rush in the air.
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Originally posted by Arlo
It's still good! Players adapt to the enviroment they're in the best way they can. If you want "perfectly balanced numbers" or "fair play" or any of that crap, go join a bridge club. And I sure as hell don't know what CT arena you were in last year but the one I was in had fluctuating numbers, HO dweebs, gangbangs, milkrunners, suicide porkers, shallow water admirals, land-grabbers and spawn campers. I think the perfect world you saw WAS all in your head.
You forgot Slobberdonkeys :D
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Originally posted by GScholz
Why not? Nearly every MMOG out there polices its players. "Unsportsmanship" and vultching is for instance not accepted in Fighter Ace. HTC is already policing this game's comunication, why not behavior also?
ahem oh yes it is - where do you think I learnt how to do it?
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Originally posted by GScholz
Why not? Nearly every MMOG out there polices its players. "Unsportsmanship" and vultching is for instance not accepted in Fighter Ace. HTC is already policing this game's comunication, why not behavior also?
Really Fighter Ace now has controls in place that cause you to loose your plane, get banned, get put on probation, etc... If you "vulch", play in an unsportsman like manner? I don't want to say that I am doubting you but I doubt that is true in any fashion. Simply because the last time I flew in it right after the last update. There were just as many guys trying to shoot me off the runway over there as anywhere else. In fact that was the exact way it was back when I played FA 2.xx all the time a few years ago.
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HTC, Brady, whoever, can set all the guidelines they want...if there is no way to enforce them (which there is not) then whats the point of it? Its like the U.N. outlawing child labor...looks great on paper.
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Originally posted by Löwe
You forgot Slobberdonkeys :D
And slobberdonkeys, dammit! :lol
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AH was an AIR COMBAT SIMULATOR. Now it's just a GAME.
Aces High was, is, and always will be a game.
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Fighter Ace 3.6 Code of Conduct:
Jaleco's goal in the operation of Fighter Ace is to create a friendly and enjoyable online gaming experience for as many users as possible. Jaleco has established the following rules for users to achieve this goal. These rules apply to both the online game and the Fighter Ace newsgroups. Note: A subscription provides access to the Fighter Ace Game Servers but does not guarantee access to the Fighter Ace Newsgroups. Jaleco reserves the right to disable posting privileges to the Newsgroups at any time.
You shall not harass or threaten other players or otherwise make the game environment unfriendly for others.
You shall not transmit or enable the transmission of content that is abusive, racially or culturally discriminating, sexually explicit, profane, vulgar, offensive or defamatory.
You shall not disclose the personal information of other players against their will.
You shall not collect or store the personal information of other players.
You shall not behave in an unsportsman like manner. This includes, but is not limited to, intentionally exiting the game to avoid being shot down and restricting other players' ability to play the game by parking a plane on or near an enemy airfield.
You shall not send communications to the Fighter Ace newsgroups and chat forums in such a way as to disrupt the flow of discussion and reduce the enjoyment of other players (e.g. flooding, cross-posting, use of ALL CAPS, etc.).
You shall not misrepresent or impersonate other players, people, or groups, including squads.
You shall not attempt to obtain the password of another user (Jaleco employees will never personally ask for your password online and you should, therefore, never disclose your password to another player).
You shall not perform or facilitate any illegal or malicious actions (such as transmitting messages containing viruses or any other computer code, files or programs designed to interrupt, destroy or limit the functionality of any computer software or hardware or telecommunications equipment).
You shall not use any part of Fighter Ace for commercial promotional purposes (i.e. don't advertise).
You shall not interfere with Sysops (players with @FA on their pilot names) while they are performing their duties. This includes intentional harassment, disrespect, or any other interruption that will disrupt and inflame a situation and detract from the enjoyment of the game for others.
You SHALL have FUN!
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Originally posted by Squire
HTC, Brady, whoever, can set all the guidelines they want...if there is no way to enforce them (which there is not) then whats the point of it? Its like the U.N. outlawing child labor...looks great on paper.
There are ways to enforce compliance to rules and regulations.
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Is Jaleco a subsidiary of HiTech Creations yet? :D
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Oh by the way... look crying over being vulched or vulching is STUPID! Taking off at a base where enemy air superiority has already been established just allows the gene pool to be cleaned up.
If there are vulchers lurking and you see it... launch somewhere else! If you didn't see em well too freakin bad pick up your SA!
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I know, and I do, but do the new players know this? I think HTC is losing more new customers because of the current anarchy of bad behaviour than they would ever have to ban to keep things a bit more civilised.
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Well ... it's an opinion. Only HT's hairdresser knows for sure.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Fighter Ace 3.6 Code of Conduct:
Jaleco's goal in the operation of Fighter Ace is to create a friendly and enjoyable online gaming experience for as many users as possible. Jaleco has established the following rules for users to achieve this goal. These rules apply to both the online game and the Fighter Ace newsgroups. Note: A subscription provides access to the Fighter Ace Game Servers but does not guarantee access to the Fighter Ace Newsgroups. Jaleco reserves the right to disable posting privileges to the Newsgroups at any time.
You shall not harass or threaten other players or otherwise make the game environment unfriendly for others.
You shall not transmit or enable the transmission of content that is abusive, racially or culturally discriminating, sexually explicit, profane, vulgar, offensive or defamatory.
You shall not disclose the personal information of other players against their will.
You shall not collect or store the personal information of other players.
You shall not behave in an unsportsman like manner. This includes, but is not limited to, intentionally exiting the game to avoid being shot down and restricting other players' ability to play the game by parking a plane on or near an enemy airfield.
You shall not send communications to the Fighter Ace newsgroups and chat forums in such a way as to disrupt the flow of discussion and reduce the enjoyment of other players (e.g. flooding, cross-posting, use of ALL CAPS, etc.).
You shall not misrepresent or impersonate other players, people, or groups, including squads.
You shall not attempt to obtain the password of another user (Jaleco employees will never personally ask for your password online and you should, therefore, never disclose your password to another player).
You shall not perform or facilitate any illegal or malicious actions (such as transmitting messages containing viruses or any other computer code, files or programs designed to interrupt, destroy or limit the functionality of any computer software or hardware or telecommunications equipment).
You shall not use any part of Fighter Ace for commercial promotional purposes (i.e. don't advertise).
You shall not interfere with Sysops (players with @FA on their pilot names) while they are performing their duties. This includes intentional harassment, disrespect, or any other interruption that will disrupt and inflame a situation and detract from the enjoyment of the game for others.
You SHALL have FUN!
Well, Y'know that's Fighter Ace rules and this is not fighter ace game. I am also looking forward to see HTC rules in the future and I really dont like to see anyone who whine about "Dweeb" thing.
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You wouldn't have to if there were rules of conduct and they were enforced.
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Originally posted by GScholz
You wouldn't have to if there were rules of conduct and they were enforced.
Yup, Hopefully HTC will make new rules
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There are rules of conduct. They are enforced.
- If thouest uppeth a plane over and overeth from a field that is under "suppression", then thouest may suffereth the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune.
- If thouest is on a side which is outnumbered and yet thoueth flies with all expediency straight at the largest enemy darbar on the map, then thouest may be gang-banged like a ten-dollar street prostitute.
- If thouest hangs from a parachute for more than five seconds, thouest is considered flaunting one's behind for penetration.
- If thouest flies straight at the enemy, then thouest better shoot thouest's guns BEFORE thouest shoots off thy mouth about being HOed by an obviously inferior opponent.
- If thouest whines incessently about the unfairness of the virtual battlefield then thouest can expect much mirth at thy expense.
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Seems like I'm wasting a lot more of your time than mine Arlo. :D
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lol :D :rofl
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GScholz,
Thanks for posting the FA rules. However after reading what you posted a couple of times I still don't see anything saying you can't "vulch" (geez I hate that blasted word). All I saw was a mention of "shall not behave in an unsportsman like manner"...Sorry but if that's the case then I know/knew about 100 guys who fly crapcade...err Arcade that should have been banned for life over there and there was probably that many the last time I was in there recently in "Intermediate" violating the same sportsmanship rule.
So with respect GScholz; lets not worry about FA and their own problems of inadequacy to the rest of the flight sim world. Since Jaleco took it over they have forced flight sim community away from there by "requiring" you to have an account to participate in discussions. Just my take on it and this is from someone who spent two years there during the last stages of FA 2.xx (under Zone/M$) and then helped in closed beta till Jaleco took over. Thanks again and lets hope that HTC doesn't force AH into the closed off world like other game companies have done with their games. It truly stagnates the water so to speak. But that HTC has some vision of making things better in the long run. There needs to be a change but everyone has a different idea of what to do.
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ok this is not a fighter combat game or a furball
this game is about wining a war by AIR POWER!
this means using aircraft of anykind be it JABO BOMBER GOONMEAT
to win the war !
there are GV's here but can be stoped with ease as long as a defence is put up
and with GV's aircraft like the IL2 YAK-T HURR-D can be used to help win the war
and ANT-I aircraft GV's
like the M16 flakpanzer
can be used to defend the base and make it hard for the incoming aircraft to take the base or cap it
but this game well allways be a WAR game
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simshell go back to the MA:rolleyes:
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well lets just disable goons and m3's
and turn it into a huge furball
because thats what you want
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thats exactly what i have been saying for months!!!
stop the milkers, no troops!!!
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Hmmmm....
You shall not harass or threaten other players or otherwise make the game environment unfriendly for others.
Guess no one ever gets shot down in that game...cant think of anything less friendly more threatening & harassing I can do than that:aok
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Originally posted by scJazz
Oh by the way... look crying over being vulched or vulching is STUPID!
well, that's you and my wife in agreement, so I guess it must be true.
- oldman
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Good to see somebody in the family produces testosterone.
:lol (ducks .... j/k)
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Originally posted by Oldman731
well, that's you and my wife in agreement, so I guess it must be true.
- oldman
Please explain to me how launching from a CAP'd base is not a bad plan. Or alternatively blasting some fool who lauched from a CAP'd base is dis-honorable. The issue isn't honorable. The issue is using your talents and knowledge to do unto the other guy before they can do unto you. PERIOD.
OK some really dweebish behavior can start to occur like the plane that runs down the runway guns blazing when they see a bomber formation upping. Or the aircraft that comes up off runway and instantly turns and HOs with 20mms in a N1K <-- that hurts. But all I can say to that dweebishness is well... Fine. Not consistent with life and they will die shortly!
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Originally posted by scJazz
Please explain to me how launching from a CAP'd base is not a bad plan. Or alternatively blasting some fool who lauched from a CAP'd base is dis-honorable. The issue isn't honorable. The issue is using your talents and knowledge to do unto the other guy before they can do unto you. PERIOD.
The opposing view (one of them, at least) is this:
What are you here for?
Are you here simply to amass kills and maximize points? If so, then vulching makes sense.
Are you here in support of a landgrab? If so, then vulching makes sense.
Are you here to have a good air-to-air fight? If so, then vulching makes absolutely no sense.
I am here for Reason 3. Although I recognize that there are those who are here for the first two reasons, and that the game makes allowances for them, I don't have to like it. There's no honor issue involved. I just don't understand the attraction of racking up kills or points or whatever by vulching people, when, if you let them get in the air, you might be able to enjoy a good fight. My views on the landgrab don't need to be repeated.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Are you here to have a good air-to-air fight? If so, then vulching makes absolutely no sense.
I am here for Reason 3. Although I recognize that there are those who are here for the first two reasons, and that the game makes allowances for them, I don't have to like it. There's no honor issue involved. I just don't understand the attraction of racking up kills or points or whatever by vulching people, when, if you let them get in the air, you might be able to enjoy a good fight. My views on the landgrab don't need to be repeated.
- oldman
Well said Oldman! I think the landgrab necessitates the vulch both of which are of little interest to me... so put me down as a Reason 3er (or furballer). What good are CT perk points anyway? to fly the sissy planes.. who wants that? ;) I guess when it comes to getting vulched my expectations are sufficiently low as to expect it any time I see an enemy con around the field. Personally I wish it were otherwise though.
Sqrl
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Sometimes the setup necessitates some land-grab. The current setup in the CT is a perfect example. The Allies had to take a base before they received their full planeset (but MORE importantly - to me - an additional F4U spawn that doesn't sink and resurface at Antarctica). So that makes me 2 and 3. You bet your monogramed velvet PJs I'll suppress the hell outa that base so it can be grabbed. Makes sense even when I'm done and ready for air to air.
But even if that wasn't the case. I don't make a habit outa upping repeatedly at a base the opposing side is doing the same to and typing to them between attempts about how damned silly they're being. :D
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Oldman your answer wasn't an answer at all it was "bait and switch". You started talking about vulching and now your doing the classic Furballer vs Strat player.
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Originally posted by scJazz
Oldman your answer wasn't an answer at all it was "bait and switch". You started talking about vulching and now your doing the classic Furballer vs Strat player.
OK, will try again. Here's the question, I think:
Please explain to me how launching from a CAP'd base is not a bad plan. Or alternatively blasting some fool who lauched from a CAP'd base is dis-honorable.
Launching from a capped base is not a bad plan if the people in the neighborhood want to let you get up to fight them. You're closer that way, which is important, particularly with early war planes. We have seen quite a few examples of where THIS ACTUALLY WORKS in the CT. Just within the past few weeks I have been involved in fights in Finland and...er...Germany? (with the snow?) where this occurred. No vulching, just people orbiting aways away from the base.
Re: the dishonorable thing. I saw what happened to Mold over in the General Discussions forum, don't want to repeat the experience here. Probably it isn't an honor thing, anyway, it's more of a point-of-the-game issue.
- oldman
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Originally posted by storch
Oh the socialist EU attacks AH, Are you related to Brady in any way Gunther? You sound like twin sons from different mothers.
Beats the hell outta being a Shane wannabe.