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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Wardog on December 15, 1999, 02:32:00 PM
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Well this post is for the guys interested in fly the p51,but not sure how the plane should be flown.
TT,Towd,Fishu.. you guys wont be interested as ulike TT ,i have not been able to turn the 51 with a Spit (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
This film should be watched using view keys as it shows good SA,this is an 8 kill sortie and i did manage to land.
This film shows how a p51 should be flown (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
http://www.intergate.bc.ca/personal/wardog/WD-8.zip (http://www.intergate.bc.ca/personal/wardog/WD-8.zip)
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What the heck.. after looking at your film man I know something is wrong with AH. You had NO bounce at all.. if that was me flying the plane whenever I moved the stick (right, left, up or down) it would ALWAYS bounce back a little. What stick do you use? This disgusts me they better fix the AH code for sticks.
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Am I doing something wrong? All I see is a huge bellybutton furball viewed from the tower
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-floo- fangs out
463rd Bomb Group
15th Air Force
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Great job ! Never lost speed, sticked to E preserving maneuvers. And 50s are brutal when they hit.
But I would not advise newbies to HO Spits and attack B 17 from dead 6 though (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Should I now show a film of 10 kill flight in 190, or 7 kill in 109 with basic armament? nah..
Wardog, watchout for Camel, I bet he if anyone could turn with spitfries in P-51...
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Don't be shy Fishu, show us your film (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I seriously want to know how you get around so well in that dog of an A8...
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Floo, when that happens to me I FF through the film and reopen it the second time, then it plays normally.
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Wardog,
Great film bro. Learned alot from it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I also seem to learn alot from guys like you killing me repeatedly (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Keep the great work up!
Rocket www.reddragons.de (http://www.reddragons.de)
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Very nice Wardog, Made me realise my SA needs work, and gave me a few ideas on how to improve my gunnery.
I really liked the last 2 kills, seeing the 17 go down in flames gave me a warm feeling inside, and the niki was really exciting!
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I'm curious about the bouncing stick post. I have the same problem but it doesn't always occur. It makes it tough to aim. Is there a setup to avoid this problem?
Thanks,
MG
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HaHa..
I use the CH F16 Combat Stick and i get no nose bounce at all.
And Fishu,read the title of this thread,Its for new guys who would like to learn the p51.
My dog can fly anything with uber cannons 1 burst kills all.. This film shows fairly good SA & as you know this is a must in any plane one flys. I usually stay in the fight till im dead,and i like the low fights..Ive got plenty of 7 kill sorties in,but i love the fight so much i stay till i die (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
The rudder movment is jerky as i use keyboard rudder keys. This moves rudder 1 notch at a time,think i can improve gunnery with peddals as the movement would be much smoother.
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THE "BOUNCE"
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Please note the the film viewer does NOT model your head shaking... it seems to me that it only records flight data which is then plugged right back into your front end to recreate the flight as the "film". The in flight recorder isn't an actual "film" of your flight.
So, to conclude: to my knowledge, there isn't any magic button, joystick code fubar, or FE hack... you're simply looking at an artifact of the "film".
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Otherwise... thanks wardog, nice flight
great learning experience (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
salute!
IC
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If your trying to convince me that the P51 isnt overmodeled, this is NOT the way to do it. He he. Nice sorti WD.
BTW. if you folks keep an eye on the speedo while you watch the film. You,ll see why he dont bounce.
[This message has been edited by TT (edited 12-15-1999).]
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Rudder is jerky? I used a keyboard rudder for a while in AH as well. It definitely wasn't shaky for me.. if I hit the key it would "move" as it should slightly to the left or right (of course bouncing as it did so).
I think what I will do is make a film and illustrate this perceived bouncyness. Sigh maybe they have a "if lordhaha then add 10x more bounce" ;0
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WTG !
This rare film shows clearly, there always could be one, who flies his P-51 like other peoples flies other ac's (no runstang maneuvers).
Lots of vertical maneuvers, great speed handling, in a word, great ! <S>
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Nice sortie, Wardog. And only a single HO kill out of the eight (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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129 IAP VVS RKKA
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And it just happened to be an La5 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
The good news is i took no damage or hits the whole sortie.. Very rare (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Nice use of guns................
I am sure to watch this one a few times.
I would like to know whats your joystick/rudder type. I am particularly interested in your "in aces" joystick setup.
Nice flying dog,
Jarbo
of the Buccaneers
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Using CH F16 Comabt Stick & keyboard for rudder..
My scaling for the stick is Hi as i dont need to turn tight and p51 is best used at speed.Although the last kill in the film (N1K2) i was in a blackout i and allmost augered tryin to roll under to get on his 6.
Id really like the film to show blackouts & explosions (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
If you want to try my Stick configuration just email me & ill send you the config file.
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just dont slow down. im waitin
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I haven't had time to look at the clip yet (at work (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))but wanted to say thanx for taking time to post the clip. I'm forever indebted to those who took pity on me as a newbie dweeb in AW and am going thru the same learning curve here. I'm commited to AH as a platform and have been hoping that it would evolve the same caliber of users that the old AW community had. I've been impressed with all of the guys who take a moment here and there to help..Fishu,wardog, hollywd,TT,Bytor and many others who elude me at this moment. Clips like this take another step toward building a robust user group. After all we know there are only two types of planes in the air...Pilots and Targets and it takes a long time to earn that first distinction.
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Dont miss my great manuever at the end. I pulled that guy right on my 6 so WD could kill him (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Wardog..
Thx for the film. But with that ACM & Gunnery why fly the p51. Think you could do a lot of damage in the 190. I had a small 3 kill sortie in 190 kilt B17,N1K2 & Spit and only use less than 5% ammo. Come to realize that the 190a8 in WB is undermodeled or the 190a8 in AH is grossly overmodeled..
Either way tkx for taking time to upload your film & try out the Uber 190.. Youll love it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Typhoon (edited 12-18-1999).]
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WD was juss lucky I was workin on me car and not huntin. I would have HO capped him at 2 maybe 3 kills that sortie.
Hehehehehe.......
Yeager
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Great stuff Wardog, very helpful. Could you explain your method of trimming during this fight, the use of the autotrims, when to use what. It appears you use a mixture of auto and manual trimming during the fight??
Teeder1
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Teeder..
Autotrim on the regrab for alt.This leaves both hands free to check my 6 and other view keys..
On the hi speed dive i have Elevator trim Keymapped to my second hat switch so im not fumbling with the keyboard and can keep my eyes on the con.
If you have 2 hat switches and you have 1 of them on 2 sticksets for views, Keymap the 2nd one for Elevator trim & Aileron trim. This makes a world of differance because i need my left hand free for Keyboard rudder..
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I downloaded, unzipped and moved the film to the film DIR in Aces High. The film did not show up on the list when I started the program. So restarted the sim and recorded a film of my own. Restarted the sim again and saw my film but not Wardogs. I deleted it and came back here to download it again went through the same senario and ended up with the same results. I would appreciate any help. Might it be the video resolution setting? Thanks, Strake
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I renamed it to film2. Worked great! Nice one Wardog. Thanks for sharing it!
Strake
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Ty.....
190s are for guys who cant kill with .50s (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
And i have flown them and it is overmodeled compaired to WBs 190a8..
Mostly though,i am in a p51 Squadron and we flyin 51s only. As per our CO..
Wardog ===Mighty 13th===
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Yea right, 190A-8 is overmodeled. And what about dweebstang ?
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190a8 is grossly overmodeled in AH. That why i only fly the 190 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
p51 in AH & WB are comparable,but 190a8 in WB is either undermodeled or AH is grossly over modeled.. Only thing i see that may be off is speed at climb..
I love this 190a8 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) can kill anything.
p51 is modeled correctly, we know the a8 couldnt keep up with it. But the D9 should be able to. Fly 190 correctly and 51s are no problem (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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190a8 is grossly overmodeled in AH. Thats why i only fly the 190 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
p51 in AH & WB are comparable,but 190a8 in WB is either undermodeled or AH is grossly over modeled.. Only thing i see that may be off is speed at climb..
I love this 190a8 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) can kill anything.
p51 is modeled correctly, we know the a8 couldnt keep up with it. But the D9 should be able to. Fly 190 correctly and 51s are no problem (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Typhoon (edited 12-20-1999).]
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Only thing we have super on the A-8 is its roll rate. How is the plane grossly overmodeled though?
Saying it can 'kill anything' isn't much. Any plane can kill anything, given you have the advantage to begin with. I would be very interested to see if you can constantly kill La-5s and Georges from even position and from position of disadvantage in 1-on-1.
//fats
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I agree that A-8 feels different from WB A-8, just like the P 51D does. But does anyone remember all the threads on Argos and iEN boards about the 190 FM. The CG position etc. ?
Still, A-8 in AH can do everything worse than P 51D, except roll rate. However, this is not such a small issue, since roll rate advantage can be exploited pretty well during combat.
Both 190 and P 51 feel different (better) from WB. 109 feels worse than in WB (few things only, though).
For example, stall speed of 109 vs P 51. 109 stalls at higher airspeed in level flight than P 51 in AH. Also, negative elevator input is in favor of P 51, while it should be other way around.
[This message has been edited by Hristo (edited 12-20-1999).]