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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: mars01 on December 17, 2003, 10:44:00 AM
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Well beet you asked and you shall recieve.
Thanks to mold for hosting the pics.
This was a decent furball Monday night between 8:00 and 11:00pm est. I have seen better more even numbers and even more people. I would say this was on the small to medium size furball.
This is the start of the run. Notice the radar. Looks to be a good place to up. Notice the overwhelming red cons 8) emmm drooling in anticipation
(http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~kkant/oncd-cbdar1.jpg)
A Nice shot approaching the FB.
(http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~kkant/nice_side_shot_FB.jpg)
First pass into the furball. I think that is laz on the other side, outnumbered as usual and kicking prettythang.
(http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~kkant/flying_into_fb1.jpg)
Another Pass
(http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~kkant/low_pass_mid_fur_with_pts.jpg)
Gratuitis pass. I wish I was thinking about tooting my own horn I would have clicked a shot of all the kills lol. Maybe I'll bore you all next time *)
(http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~kkant/gratuitis_top_shot_of_furball.jpg)
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con't
A nice Egress shot, Recon in there kicking prettythang as usual.
(http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~kkant/rearview_FB.jpg)
Time to RTB last look at a decent FB
(http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~kkant/in_flight_dar.jpg)
Nice to be home, good shot of the FB rageing on.
(http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~kkant/rinway_closingpic.jpg)
Ahh nothing like quake and die style game play NOT!!!! Check out the fuel!!! No strat porkers, but then I dont think Beet or jackal were on lolh (cheap shot):D
(http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~kkant/tower_closing_pic.jpg)
== All nice furballing :D. Nothing like this on PIZZA CRAP!
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That was a blast. When lazs and I arrived there the first couple of waves were base takers in Ponies, Niks and tiffies. The mass had made it to the base and were makin their runs. It looked dicey at best.
Unfortunatlly for the base takers, the size of the fight attracted the fur crowd. Once they came down from their perches they were meat.
It was really warm at the base for awhile. Did the old gear up belly it out, scramble for the clipboard exit on one occasion.
Kicked their soggy butts back to the map position you show. Looks like the badguy fur crowd then found the fight.
Great time. Four sorties, landed them all. Four in the meatlocker, one noseprint on the moniter and a buttload of assists.
Lotta fun.
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Yeah, was on a short while last night. Two CV groups ran into each other out in the middle of nowhere..... no fields being threatened.
Great action for nearly 30 minutes. Then some... some..... some..... enemy of fun sank the other CV. Party over.
I think a good time was had by all on both sides while it lasted.
Landed several 5's in the Wildcat.
Of course, then the map was devoid of any action at a reasonable distance for a 230 mph cruising plane.
But it was good for 30 minutes. Anymore, that's all I expect out of a map like this.
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Yeah Nopoop,
It was funny because I was looking for a furball for this post. But with none to find I started out there as base defense. They even porked some fuel, thats why I started upping from the carrier. But like you said they were beaten back and then I guess the straters gave up and a fun furball ensued. Nights were well outnumbered in the first few rounds too, till we beat them down.
Last night did kinda blow since the middle islands are getting captured the CV battles and attacks become less and less. Then were stuck on main land far base type map.
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!st shot= "auto take off enabled". SWEET!
I believe this would fall in the CF file.
No end, no means.......... lame.
Hail Cocktail Hour Warriors. :D
BTW, correct me if I`m wrong, this sure looks like Big Isles to me. :D
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!st shot= "auto take off enabled". SWEET!
I believe this would fall in the CF file.
No end, no means.......... lame.
Hail Cocktail Hour Warriors.
BTW, correct me if I`m wrong, this sure looks like Big Isles to me.
LOL yeah I cant take off any other way. LOL No point as usual.
Yeah your right no fuel poking so no ends no means lolh.
Gee you are bright sunshine, it is Big Isle. Duh thats the whole point of the post. Where you been.
Jack getting boring again. zzzzzz
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Originally posted by mars01
LOL yeah I cant take off any other way. LOL No point as usual.
Yeah your right no fuel poking so no ends no means lolh.
Gee you are bright sunshine, it is Big Isle. Duh thats the whole point of the post. Where you been.
Jack getting boring again. zzzzzz
Better still, what point you trying to make with the thread? Maybe you like to be in the CF situations just to jump back to see how many "kills" you got? Point and shoot, arcade style what trips your trigger? Perhaps it makes you feel like your a part of something? Lame! For what? Contributes nothing to MA gameplay, accomplishs nothing , no point to it. I`d say very , very sad.
Work on them take offs. :D
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Cool Jack another 5 hours since yesterday.
Thought you would of won the war in that amount of time. Maybe today !! Because THAT is important..
Stay away from those rare CF's as you call them. Bunch of no talent dweebs..
Point and shoot quakers, they don't have a clue..
Would be way to much imput for you to deal with for it to be a successful result.
But then I don't know how you define success..
What is your definition ??
Meanwhile, there are greater contributions to be had.
You go !!
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Originally posted by:Jackal1
Better still, what point you trying to make with the thread? Maybe you like to be in the CF situations just to jump back to see how many "kills" you got?
The point is, Beetle has no idea what a furball is based on his posts, nor do some other people. Beet asked me in another thread to please post my idea of a furball. See thats a point :D. I know it is hard to understand a point, when you rarely have any. :rofl
Originally posted by:Jackal1
Point and shoot, arcade style what trips your trigger? Perhaps it makes you feel like your a part of something? Lame! For what? Contributes nothing to MA gameplay, accomplishs nothing , no point to it. I`d say very , very sad.
So Jack, I have to play the way you dictate huh. lol What's sad is how worked up you get because I don't play the way you want me to.:aok Spoken like a true Strater. (Actually the straters have more sense)
I am not trying to be some big part of something here. I actually have a life outside of this game. I suggest you try the same. Maybe get laid, then you wouldn't need to flame so much.:lol To me this is just a game where I get to shoot planes. Don't care about winning the war, care about being able to find a fight when I log on.
Contributes? OOOOOOOhhhhhh every one hurry lets get a reset and contriburte to the MA. Wait what happens after the reset? Nothing we just start over again. WOW sounds like arcade to me. Buy a hamster wheel if thats what you like.:D
Point is my friend, Jack. I like AtoA combat. You like air to ground combat. I like killing moving targets, you like killing stationary targets. I could care less what you do really, it's your 14.95.
What I do care about is being able to log in and find a decent furball like we used to. Thats always been my point. If you spent less time flameing and more time understanding you'd be a little less flustered.:D
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Originally posted by mars01
So Jack, I have to play the way you dictate huh. lol What's sad is how worked up you get because I don't play the way you want me to.:D
Nawww Uranus I don`t "dictate" anything. You just keep on keeping on with what your doing and tell yourself it makes since. Don`t think you`d make the grade.
What seems to be a tad confusing is it`s stated there were no fuel porkers. It`s also stated it started as an attack , then it says the evil fuel porkers were repelled and all is safe in furball heaven. :D
Now gee Uranus, seems to me there`s a bit of conflict with this as I beleieve it was also stated that defense was useless and boring, but here it flip flops back and forth between good and evil, furball and defense. In actuality it just seemed like a place with lot`s of mass confusion where you thought you might sneak in and do a little over the shoulder pickinjg . God knows ya gotta keep that old K/D and K/H up. :D I mean what would all the ladies think at the next Knitting club meeting if you let that fall down?:rolleyes:
Yea I know you don`t get into anything that might possibly contribute to the reset . I mean you just start all over again. Big deal right? I sorta feel the same way when at the poker table I have a winning hand and have to rake in the green. It`s just so frustrating this winning thingy. You just gotta start over again.:p
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Nawww Uranus I don`t "dictate" anything.
Well you obviously got so excited about it.
Jackal="Lame! For what? Contributes nothing to MA gameplay, accomplishs nothing , no point to it. I`d say very , very sad." It looks like your panties are very bunched up. How mad you are, that all I want to do is fly and shoot other planes. It even makes you sad. :rofl
there`s a bit of conflict with this as I beleieve it was also stated that defense was useless and boring, but here it flip flops back and forth between good and evil, furball and defense.
No no conflict - There were no furballs so the next best thing is to find a base under attack and kill dweebs. I never said I don't like base defense. I'd rather furball, but defense is ok.
In actuality it just seemed like a place with lot`s of mass confusion where you thought you might sneak in and do a little over the shoulder pickinjg .
Yes, from a guy who probably hasn't the SA to last in that type of situation, your right it must look like that to you.:aok And since "shoulder pickinjg " is all that you probably can do in those so confusing masses, I would expect that, that is all you think is done.
Too easy Jack just too easy
:rofl
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Originally posted by mars01
Well you obviously got so excited about it.
Too easy Jack just too easy
:rofl
Excited? When did this happen? Damn , I must have dozed off again and missed it. Hate it when that happens.:D
Your right about the easy part though Uranus. Your waay too easy.
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Jack, after reviewing your stats I find that you are by definition a "Quaker".
Your argument as to who quakes and who doesn't is flawed.
While Beet is accomplished at his version of fun..
Your accomplishment is the ability to listen to yourself talk.
And you are good at that.
Whether it is based on fact, or represents your actual gameplay is immaterial.
Which doesn't surprise.
Continue.
Quaker...
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Originally posted by nopoop
Jack, after reviewing your stats I find that you are by definition a "Quaker".
Quaker...
Naw Poopster, I`m Southern Baptist,. :D
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LOL !!
Now if we break this down in an effort to "find" the quaker we examine the following..
Known board spammers all, there are more, but a small list will suffice.
Kills vs. Deaths Day 17
Beet1e 257 - 69
mars01 281 - 124
lazs 97 - 26
poop 28 - 7
Drumroll....
Jackal1 194 - 186
Now tell me Jack, whose quakin ??
Hmmm ??
Continue.
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If you guys wanna see a definition of my furball... Take a look at this film i recorded last night, i tend to go into those kinda fights all the time, but usually a 50/50 chance i dont come out alive.
Anyways enjoy "My Furball".
Furball (http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~kkant/film137.ahf)
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Originally posted by nopoop
LOL !!
Now tell me Jack, whose quakin ??
Hmmm ??
Continue.
I do believe 3rd from the bottom would be a prime example. :D I also believe you got your posts mixed up. I`m not the Quake poster. lol
K/D K/H score . stats, ranks.
All can be manipulated very very easily. The question is why would someone spend their time trying to do something that has absolutely no meaning or reason to it?
I mean if manipulating the stats, scores, ranks, etc is someone`s bag, then by all means go for it, but just don`t expect the rest of us to do likewise. I enjoy gameplay too much for that.
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Great film WT !
Jack as you can see from the film he in no way contributed to the war effort.
Furballers..
If you watch it a few times, you may pull something out of it that you can apply on your next point and shoot sortie.. Pay particular attention to his reverse. Very similar to another known quaker whose films are at the BK website.
Learn something and work on it.
Won't win the war tho..
Might help in those insignificant little fights you find yourself in your quest for map domination.
Although it won't help the war effort..
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Cool wild can't wait to take a look when I get home.
I would have thrown film up, but I had a hard enough time finding a place to host the pics. mold!
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Better still, what point you trying to make with the thread? Maybe you like to be in the CF situations just to jump back to see how many "kills" you got? Point and shoot, arcade style what trips your trigger? Perhaps it makes you feel like your a part of something? Lame! For what? Contributes nothing to MA gameplay, accomplishs nothing , no point to it. I`d say very , very sad.
Work on them take offs. :D
I got into that fight, dying too often, but it sure appeared to me that it evolved as part of protecting that base. Bad guys coming in from the fleet and elsewhere. Good guys doing their best to protect the base and push the fight away from it. The accomplishment was that the base remained in our hands.
LOL as far as I can tell, you'd call the RAF pilots defending over Britain in 1940, furballers and time wasters, cause they weren't actively trying to invade France at the time.
I can see Winston Churchill now, speaking to the House of Commons. "Never in the field of human conflict, was there such as waste of time as the effort of the RAF over England in 1940! Why weren't they working on winning a reset!"
Dan/Slack
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Stat's aren't my bag Jack.
I find the best fight available and partake in it.
I don't like to die, but I love a good fight. The fight is the reason to play. Air to air, lotsa of fighters..
And once in a great while, I take names.
I'd be crazy to fly that way if stats were my bag. So easy to manipulate them.
You may be winning the war that never ends, but you forgo the fight and what you can learn in the pits.
Forgo the war for a tour and come down in the pits. Fly knights and make sure you fly where ever lazs does. He's nothing but a quaker, you'll have this furball thing down in no time...
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Originally posted by WldThing
If you guys wanna see a definition of my furball... Take a look at this film i recorded last night, i tend to go into those kinda fights all the time, but usually a 50/50 chance i dont come out alive.
Anyways enjoy "My Furball".
Furball (http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~kkant/film137.ahf)
Yup .. I KNEW IT !!!! WT has the "Linda Blair" cheat !!!
Nice sortie bud !!! Learnt a few things there ... thanks. Still workin' on the throttle control ... :D
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Still workin' on the throttle control ... :D
That's what's difficult. Films don't show that. Levi works the throttle quite a bit also. I just keep experimenting.
My problem is getting the pass through lined up fast enough to still be in range. I finally get it but always when the con is moved out of kill range. Getting closer on the view transition, but still not there.
Maybe today.
..or tomorrow.
See Jack, it beats a hamster wheel.
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Originally posted by nopoop
LOL !!
Now if we break this down in an effort to "find" the quaker we examine the following..
Known board spammers all, there are more, but a small list will suffice.
Kills vs. Deaths Day 17
Beet1e 257 - 69
mars01 281 - 124
lazs 97 - 26
poop 28 - 7
Drumroll....
Jackal1 194 - 186
Now tell me Jack, whose quakin ??
Hmmm ??
Continue.
This thumping of the old "stat bible" I find hilarious. Has nothing whatsoever to do with gameplay in the MA as it is set up. The thing is seems like every time the "stat bible" is opened here it`s only one or two chapters that wants to be quoted. OK......let`s open it to another chapter.
nopoop-Captured0
Jackal1-Captured9
Hmmmm seems like something is amiss here.
What you seem to think is the next thing to the Holy Grail , I find useless.
No input from you as to how the gameplay is set up in the MA.
If that`s your kick, then have a blast, but a spokesperson for the gameplay in the MA you are not.
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Got to admit, i use to be more concerned about all strat stuff. Guess reading all post by Laz has converted me to more of a furballer. Still suck of coarse..but damn FB is fun.
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Originally posted by nopoop
Stat's aren't my bag Jack.
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Singing a little different tune than that of a few posts up aren`t ya poop? :D
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I think what he is pointing out Jack, is that for a game you obviously love, if time played is any indication, you aren't very good at it.
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nopoop-Captured0
Jackal1-Captured9
I don't get it ?
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No I'm not.
For some reason us furballers to you, are just point and shoot quakers.
Those stats tell a different story. Black and White.
Do I fly for stats ??
No
Does the use of those stats support my arguement ??
Yes
Not only do they disprove your assertion that we "buttsniff" till we die.
But it sheds a light on your "game"
My suggestion to you is that you should do more buttsniffin.
You'll live more. And you might learn something in the proccess.
Perish the thought..
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Mars, thanks for posting those shots. It seems to me you have your head position raised in these shots. Was that for the screen shots, only? Or is that where you saved your head position for aiming purposes? Please elucidate.
slim03
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Your bringin a knife to a gunfight Jack.
In this continual exchange of furballers vs. strat guys you have no juice.
If you were any good a stratting it would be different. We bust heads with Beet all the time. He's good at what he does.
Your good at talking.
I can't hold a candle to the vast majority of furballer posters here. But I know what I like. Every sortie is to learn and do better in the chaos that is the furball. Have a Levi or WT sortie..
You just keep on with the hamster wheel.
But as for buttsniffin, you haven't a clue.
You'd have to work at it.
Flappin gums is easier
You go !!
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Originally posted by slimm50
Mars, thanks for posting those shots. It seems to me you have your head position raised in these shots. Was that for the screen shots, only? Or is that where you saved your head position for aiming purposes? Please elucidate.
slim03
I have my views setup the same way. I have the seat raised as high as it can go before the pipper is no longer viewable at the top of the HUD. It improves "over the nose" view for gunnery.
Some people use an erasable marker and mark their tube where the center of the pipper is. They then raise their seat ALL the way up which provides even more "over the nose" visability. I liken this to screwin' with the gamma when night falls ... I don't do it cause I feel its gamey ... YMMV.
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After watching WT's film...I can only say way to go! You stumbled into the mutha lode of dweeb :D. Looked like you took a break there at the end and let the 51 sneak up on yah :).
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Originally posted by SlapShot
I have the seat raised as high as it can go before the pipper is no longer viewable at the top of the HUD.
Same here. With the Hog with it's big HUD you can raise it quite a bit.
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Originally posted by nopoop
Not only do they disprove your assertion that we "buttsniff" till we die.
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Got your posters mixed up again poop.
Wasn`t me said you buttsniff till ya die. I said you was in butt sniffing mode i.e. butt snuffer. Lord only knows you wouldn`t do it till ya die. Geez that would mess up the old Holy Grail K/D. :D
My suggestion to you is try the game called AH. Ya just might like it.
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Well Jack, I guess if I keep pullin your talk chain this could go on forever..
I won't pull it anymore.
I promise.
Will that help ??
Scratch that..didn't say it..
Continue.
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Originally posted by: Slap
Some people use an erasable marker and mark their tube where the center of the pipper is. They then raise their seat ALL the way up which provides even more "over the nose" visability. I liken this to screwin' with the gamma when night falls ... I don't do it cause I feel its gamey ... YMMV.
Hey Slimm - Yeah what slap said above.
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Originally posted by mars01
The point is, Beetle has no idea what a furball is based on his posts
The thing is, Mars01, that over here in western Europe, you will never see a furball like that - unless you stay up into US Prime Time - between 2am and 5am here. I often play when there are only about 200 online - sometimes less than 100. However, I did stay up one time till 3am here, and shot a film getting a 9-kill sortie.
As to your screenshots - hmm, I notice the vast majority of cons are Spits and LA7s . Oh wait - you are in a Spit ix yourself. ;) never mind.
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So, Beet, you're beginning to realize that the AH game you play is vastly different just six hours later in Prime Time US?
:lol
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The thing is, Mars01, that over here in western Europe, you will never see a furball like that - unless you stay up into US Prime Time - between 2am and 5am here.
Thats a bummer, so you do know how we feel:D .
I often play when there are only about 200 online - sometimes less than 100. However, I did stay up one time till 3am here, and shot a film getting a 9-kill sortie.
Ahh now I get the disconnect.
Yeah the LA7s and spits are rampant. Not much will change that. Yeah flavor of the month has been a spit for me, but I like to fly a lot of different planes. It all depends on the situation. I don't get too wrapped up in that tho - to each his own on what they like to fly.
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Originally posted by Toad
So, Beet, you're beginning to realize that the AH game you play is vastly different just six hours later in Prime Time US?
:lol
Oh for Gawd's sake, Mr. Toad. Your furballer attention span deficit syndrome is really beginning to tell in this thread. :rolleyes: What the heck are you on about that I'm "beginning to realize that the AH game you play is vastly different just six hours later in Prime Time US"? More than TWO MONTHS ago I said that very thing myself - on page 3 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=98235&pagenumber=3) of a thread by Fester. By the way, you participated in that thread, so don't pretend you didn't see it. The problem is you just don't pay attention - so I have to go on repeating... To save you having to follow the link, what I said is here. Now study the third paragraph very carefully, and note the date of my post. Read it carefully, and slowly - so I don't have to repeat myself.
(http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/differentanimal.jpg)
WT - nice film... but why am I not surprised that like all these furball films I've seen so far, the sortie took place in a Spit V? I'm waiting for someone else (other than myself and Grunherz) to post a 6+ kill sortie in a 109.
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Well, beet, you change positons more than SH did. Hard to tell what side of your own arguments you're on from one week to the next.
Still dodging the fuel disparity I see, even whilst you complain of too many late war aircraft.
:lol
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Originally posted by beet1e
I'm waiting for someone else (other than myself and Grunherz) to post a 6+ kill sortie in a 109.
Well beet you and I know a 109 with the exception of the F model is not setup for a furball. Now granted drex can head in low and slow into a furball flying a Jug or anything else for that matter and come out the other side with a bagfull but he is an unusual pilot.
Some A/C are setup for it, some aren't. A six or better kill sortie in a 109 while being an accomplishment is devoid of times of being in that "Aww jeez I'm in deep do-do" flavor..
Your above, you swoop, you kill, you extend. The is no "all hell breaking loose from every angle" to it.
It's a rinse and repeat film. A successive series of 1 on 1's from a perch. It's not a 1 on 5 or 6 with your hair on fire. Although I know there are exceptions out there, I haven't seen them.
While still being an accomplishment is lacks a good "read"
WT has a few Pony films that are a good "read". Think he killed me in one of them..
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yeah you got spanked nopoop but i dont think i have the film anymore. beet1e ill get your 6 kill sortie today :)
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Originally posted by nopoop
Well Jack, I guess if I keep pullin your talk chain this could go on forever..
I won't pull it anymore.
I promise.
Will that help ??
Scratch that..didn't say it..
Continue.
You seem to be doing a fair share of gum beating here. I`m just sorta waiting for ya quit flopping backs and forth, jumping from one side of the fence to the other and see if ya actualy have anything to say that won`t blow up in your face.:aok
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Originally posted by Jackal1
I do believe 3rd from the bottom would be a prime example. :D I also believe you got your posts mixed up. I`m not the Quake poster. lol
K/D K/H score . stats, ranks.
All can be manipulated very very easily. The question is why would someone spend their time trying to do something that has absolutely no meaning or reason to it?
I mean if manipulating the stats, scores, ranks, etc is someone`s bag, then by all means go for it, but just don`t expect the rest of us to do likewise. I enjoy gameplay too much for that.
Your reading comprehension must be weak. You are a complete train-wreck everytime you up a single-engine aircraft, in ANY role, for ANY purpose.
With the exception of how to get killed, your opinion on what is and what is not "gamey" is worthless.
Continue with the squealing.
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Consistant I try to be Jack.
You get'um Skull, when the hair combusts, crack the wing window.
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Originally posted by nopoop
Consistant I try to be Jack.
Consistant you are. Consistanty confused. :D
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Hehe, my name in lights! Thanks, Mars!
That was indeed the most fun I have had, in one sitting, in two weeks! Between Pizza and Big Isles, the "action" has been few and far between. I find that more and more, outside of Squad night, when I log on, I just want to mix it up. I'm not that interested in strategy most other times, and I HATE to up and have to fly for 10 minutes just to get to somewhere fun, and have someone like RuAmL kick my butt within 60 seconds!!!
'Twas a blast.
All!:D
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
After watching WT's film...I can only say way to go! You stumbled into the mutha lode of dweeb :D. Looked like you took a break there at the end and let the 51 sneak up on yah :).
Aye ... Saw the 51 a bit too late, but it came out alright :)
WT - nice film... but why am I not surprised that like all these furball films I've seen so far, the sortie took place in a Spit V? I'm waiting for someone else (other than myself and Grunherz) to post a 6+ kill sortie in a 109.
Well im sorry to dissapoint ya about the 109 sortie your lookin for since i cant stand the damn things, but i have posted a couple P51 movies on here before, like the one nopoop mentioned This one.. (http://www.ryks.us/ahfilms/wldthing.ahf).
But to answer your 1st question of why most of the films that are posted on this board are in Spit 5's... IMO a BnZ movie just isnt that fun.
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LOL Wldthng. Nice reversals and throttle work. Just the right amount every time
That wasn't a furball tho - that was just you kickin everyones prettythang!!!
I was just glad I didn't see my name on that list lol. I started feeling bad for every guy that dove on your tail lolh.
Nice Job.
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Originally posted by nopoop
Well beet you and I know a 109 with the exception of the F model is not setup for a furball. Now granted drex can head in low and slow into a furball flying a Jug or anything else for that matter and come out the other side with a bagfull but he is an unusual pilot.
Some A/C are setup for it, some aren't. A six or better kill sortie in a 109 while being an accomplishment is devoid of times of being in that "Aww jeez I'm in deep do-do" flavor..
Naw, poop, you can furball with a 109 besides the 109F. In fact, I prefer the 109G-2 with gondolas. You have to work the angles and get proficient at snap shooting, but you can mix it up with a crowd and work the vertical very well. My biggest headache is colliding with other aircraft or even the occasional auger. But, I haven't been so much as pinged furballing with the G-2. It's also a fun ride for slug fests down in the canyons of the Pizza map.
I really enjoy taking an A-20G into a furball. It can more than hold its own too. Have a look....
(http://home.att.net/~C.C.Jordan/FurballingA-20G.jpg)
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Toad
Well, beet, you change positons more than SH did. Hard to tell what side of your own arguments you're on from one week to the next.
Still dodging the fuel disparity I see, even whilst you complain of too many late war aircraft.
Mr. Tard. ;) The only reason you think I change positions is because you don't read what I said in the first place, or you twist it round to suit your own agenda. Kind of a 50-50 split these days. :D Not sure what fuel disparity I'm being called upon to solve. Erm... isn't that HTC's job? Don't pretend (as you have in the past) that I'm not affected by fuel porkage. 109s guzzle the gas! I just don't whine about it as much as some people. ;):D
Nopoop - you're right, 109Gx is not a good furball plane and (WT please note) it's not a B&Z plane. But T&B is not what I do. Back in Brand-W I sucked in 109s as you may well remember. The turning point came when BBGun told me that it was an e-fiter - not a B&Zer, and that I needed to understand the difference. Before that I was compress/crashing all over the place.
The key with the 109Gx is energy management. I'm not the best at it, but I have moments. ;) A N1K tried to get my 109G10, and the fight that followed was not B&Z, it was an e-fite. The trick against N1Ks is to let them get close enough that they think they can get you, but then to turn the tables. Can be a dangerous business (did Mr. Toad say "no-risk"?). Going towards a stall the 109G10 is even more sluggish than it normally is! Have a look:109G10 v N1K (http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/109n1k.zip) - movie length 2:50. The N1k starts at 1.5 in my 6, closing...
Only two things turn as well as a Spit V - one's a London taxi, and the other is another Spit V. A 109G simply cannot be used as WT's film shows the Spit V being used. Nice film though. Nice to see those LA7's and P51s being killed, and I see WT also killed the King of smack talk - Wacku. :):)
Widewing! Yep, I like the 109G2 with gondolas (no spud cannon on the G2). It's certainly a challenge.
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Originally posted by beet1e
The key with the 109Gx is energy management. I'm not the best at it, but I have moments. ;) A N1K tried to get my 109G10, and the fight that followed was not B&Z, it was an e-fite. The trick against N1Ks is to let them get close enough that they think they can get you, but then to turn the tables. Can be a dangerous business (did Mr. Toad say "no-risk"?). Going towards a stall the 109G10 is even more sluggish than it normally is!
That's what I love about the G10--in a situation where one or even more than one cons have the E-advantage, it has the ability to turn the tables on all of them. Even if you're alone.
Until you've run outta gas, then it kinda sucks. :D Really gotta keep an eye on fuel in this ride.
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:rofl
I'd say most folks you cross keyboards with here think you're as shifty as the desert sands.
Don't trust my opinion, ask around.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Only two things turn as well as a Spit V - one's a London taxi, and the other is another Spit V. A 109G simply cannot be used as WT's film shows the Spit V being used.
If you think that the Spit V is anything but at a 109G10's mercy, you're sorely mistaken. Spit Vs can do absolutely nothing against 109s blowing through furballs and climbing back on a perch other than hope to dodge, neutralize, or hope the 109 driver screws up badly.
Quit talking down the capabilities of one of the better planes in Aces High. The G10 is an awesome ride and an excellent furballer when it has some energy to spare. Add to that the one shot kill capability of the 30mm, and you have a monster.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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DMF - not talking down the 109G10 at all. Just saying it's not the most responsive plane (roll & pitch) and couldn't evade something like an LA7 by turning out of harm's way the way a Spit V can. Out of all the 109s, I think I like the G2 best. The F4 has its merits, whereas the G6 seems to have the disadvantages of the G2 and G10 without the advantages of either. As for the 109E - ask Steve.
:rofl;):p
Ah, Mr. Toad! :D I see the gas problem of the MA has finally extended to some of the players. You sound like a guy who's finally run out of things to say. Like a WW2 gasbag that's become deflated. I guess you're finally out of gas. I'll drive an M3 round to your house later on, and see if I can get six others to do the same. If I can, we'll have you up to 50% in no time at all! :lol
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Out of gas? Hardly.
However, there's only two things of all the continually mentioned as "problems" mentioned here on the board that prevent me from enjoying AH.
One is the bogus "night". I can't play it, I just log.
The other is not enough fuel for early war planes.
All the other "problems" aren't really problems for me and I can enjoy the game despite the things that make other folks sad.
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Originally posted by beet1e
...Nopoop - you're right, 109Gx is not a good furball plane...
Nath would say and prove otherwise. I have seen him do it many times.
Its not the plane, it's the timidity of the pilot in the plane.
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Originally posted by Furious
Nath would say and prove otherwise. I have seen him do it many times.
Its not the plane, it's the timidity of the pilot in the plane.
Yep, Nath would fly pure angles in the 109 (or the 190A8) to cut off any better turning plane. He probably died more than Beetle, but he proved that you can furball well in anything as long as you're aggressive and skilled.
Of course, being aggressive improves one's skill, but I digress.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Hehe, Toad. :) I told Tomato what you said about my being shifty as the desert sands... and after she had finished laughing, she said "am I allowed to agree with him?" :lol:D The analogy she preferred was the bar of soap loose in the shower - LOL!
Furious/DMF :):) Great! Who is "Nath"? I'd like to see a G2 furballing, and look forward to seeing those films. :aok
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Originally posted by beet1e
Furious/DMF :):) Great! Who is "Nath"? I'd like to see a G2 furballing, and look forward to seeing those films. :aok
NathBDP, my old wingman. He hasn't flown AH in awhile, but when he did he would only dogfight in a 109G10 or 190A8.
-- Todd/Leviathn