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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Bodhi on December 17, 2003, 10:08:14 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/12/17/elec04.prez.clark.bush/index.html
IMHO, Clark is an arse, he is saying what he thinks people want to hear, but in the end, he is a has been screaming "I am better, and I woulda done it better!"
Lost total respect for that man after these last staetments.
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Clarke doesnt even know what his own stances will be from week to week.
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Heh.. You guys trying out your spin just incase your guys can’t engineer a Dean nomination?
In a blistering critique of the commander in chief, Clark said that "capturing Saddam Hussein doesn't change the fact that Osama bin Laden is still on the loose."
"If I'd been president, I would have had Osama bin Laden by this time," Clark said at a news conference in Concord, New Hampshire,
I bet he would have.
"Instead, he executed a bait-and-switch. He took the priority off Osama bin Laden. He shifted the spotlight onto Saddam Hussein."
Indeed.. looks like President Bush mis-stated the truth about finding WMD somewhat..
The retired Army four-star general also said that if Bush questions the patriotism and national security credentials of Democrats in the coming campaign, he would not hesitate to match his record against the president's.
"I'll put my 34 years of defending the United States of America, and the results that I and my teammates in the United States armed forces achieved, against his three years of failed policies any day," said Clark, who was NATO supreme commander during the 1999 air campaign in Kosovo.
Heh-heh-heh.. Rock n’ Roll!.. Oh yeah!
As president, Clark said he also would "insist that Saudi Arabia take responsibility" and provide resources and intelligence to help the United States get bin Laden, including creating a joint U.S.-Saudi commando unit to root out terrorists.
He said the United States should put "intense political pressure" on Pakistan to find bin Laden and move "substantial" U.S. special operations forces and intelligence personnel from Iraq into Afghanistan.
To free up those assets, Clark said the United States should end its "fruitless" hunt for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and turn the task over to the international community.
"I could never understand why we insisted on doing this anyway, when the international community was fully willing to participate and do it," he said.
I take it you folks on the right don’t want to see a Bush/Clark run?
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Clark is not a competent political strategist, and will continue to throw around bull as long as the press listens, but then again 10bears, I can cut and paste and make him seem reasonable too.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by 10Bears
I take it you folks on the right don’t want to see a Bush/Clark run?
Clark won't stand a chance against Bush and neither will Dean. Lieberman is the only dem that has a shot but I don't think his party is smart enough to recognize that. Only my opinion of course.
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Eh, I would vote the Bug or General Douglas MacArthur :D
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The biggest problem the democrats face is that they would need to adopt a bush platform to compete effectively against bush.
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Originally posted by Yeager
The biggest problem the democrats face is that they would need to adopt a bush platform to compete effectively against bush.
It certainly worked for Clinton against Dole. :)
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Originally posted by AKIron
Clark won't stand a chance against Bush and neither will Dean. Lieberman is the only dem that has a shot but I don't think his party is smart enough to recognize that. Only my opinion of course.
Actually Clark has the best numbers against Bush.
Check out http://www.pollingreport.com
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IMHO Clark will not survive the democrats nomination. Bush vs. Clark in open run, that would be something, Bush will annihilate him if it comes to that.
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Looks like Dean and Clark are basically neck and neck on that site Thrawn.
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LOL...the right is afraid of the outcome of a Clark/Bush debate.
There would be no contest....Clark would make GWB look like a rank amature, a dangerous one at that, in regards to foreign policy and the use of the military in carring out that policy. Domestic econoimic issues is another area where GWB has no chance since he relies on his handlers too much for the right things to say rather than his knowledge of the issues.
Notice how Stormin' Norman has backed off his agreement with Shelton regarding the 'issues' he had with Clark. Seems that Slobodan Milosevic decided to use Sheltons quote in his defence? I guess Norman didn't want to be linked to him so he backed off....there's some integrity and conviction for ya!
Clarks not going away no matter how muddy the attacks get during this race....the rights only hope to keep him from getting nominated is to prop up ont of the other canidates.....some freepers have vowed to vote for Sharpton to help that cause...pathetic.
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What's this? The Republicans are going to make sure Clark isn't the Democratic nominee? So the Republicans actually control the Democratic nominating process?
Looks like Dean at this stage to me; and I think they'll lose if they pick him. Clark would be the better choice, IMO, but I don't think they can bring themselves to nominate a General. ;)
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Clark is a Kook
anyone really want that nutbag running the show or is ANYONE better than Bush in your eyes?
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any of them are better then Dean. I will look at all choices except Dean.
Middle of the road wins it now days, too far left or right and kiss the votes good bye.
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The Democrats have a golden opportunity but a field of candidates that make Gore look dynamic.
Charon
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That is what I've been waiting to hear from a dem candidate. Tell me what you are going to do about terrorism and how you are going to be different from this president. Don't just tell me he sucks, I can form my own opinion about that.
As for whether or not Clarke would have gotten Osama by now, who knows. But if we had the deployment in Afganistan/Pakistan that we have in Iraq, we might be reading headlines about Osama being bagged this past week instead of Saddam. Certainly the likelyhood that he would have been caught by now would be increased had we been focusing our military/intelligence resources on him as opposed to Iraq/Saddam.
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I'd consider Clark if he hadn't been such a dishonest politician and Clinton suckup while serving in the military. Dean is laughable. I'd definitely consider Lieberman. You democrats need to realize that in order to win this election you've got to sway some republicans, you've already got all the dem votes.
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I'd consider Clark if he hadn't been such a dishonest politician and Clinton suckup while serving in the military.
This statement baffles me.
A general is expected to support the President of the United States. It's not optional.
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The assumption that Bushes international diplomacy is a weakness that can be exploited is a dangerous one. I think it is percieved as strength by many americans. Clark likes to harp on concensus building internationaly as his big strength, but Bush portrays his unilateral actions as American strength. One of them must be wrong..I think its a risky tact for Clark.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
This statement baffles me.
A general is expected to support the President of the United States. It's not optional.
Begging for a promotion isn't expected and frowned upon by those of us with a modicum of pride.
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Dean is going to win the nomination, the left may as well prepare for that. There is nothing the right can or will do to change it. In fact, about the only thing that can stop Dean now is Hillary.
No matter, no Dem has a chance to beat Bush at this juncture. It's Bush's race to lose.
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There would be no contest....Clark would make GWB look like a rank amature
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I would have agreed with you two years ago. I sense today that Bush has transitioned very comfortably into the role of CIC and would be commanding of anyone in a political race, even le' General. How he (Bush) performs in a spitited debate is where he will probably disperse all but the most ignorant Bush haters.
Im looking forward to debates.
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Yes, everyone said Gore would shred Bush in the debates. This was in fact the place where the tide turned against Gore.
Clark is a deer in the headlights when asked direct questions. Take him off the script and he is lost. Bush may be too, but that's what people expect to see. Clark is selling himself as smarter, something he sure doesn't appear to be.
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"Clark is a deer in the headlights when asked direct questions."
The same can be said for bush...
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I dont usually get into debates like this but I thank GOD every day that Clark is no longer in the military....I (my opinion only) hope that he NEVER gains a political office. God help us.
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Gutboy you a Slobo supporter?
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Clark is a deer in the headlights when asked direct questions. Take him off the script and he is lost. Bush may be too, but that's what people expect to see. Clark is selling himself as smarter, something he sure doesn't appear to be.
Read the whole paragraph next time. ;)
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10bears not at all....but having and still serve over in that area of the world the things that Clark did well....lets just say the guys that had few choice comments about Clark were correct. And after spending countless hours getting shot at from the POS's on the ground...lets just say I have a bit of insight on the whole issue that others might not.....
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Originally posted by Kieran
Read the whole paragraph next time. ;)
[Thwap] sorry, my eyes fried by too much radiation eminating from my monitor...
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Originally posted by Toad
Looks like Dean at this stage to me; and I think they'll lose if they pick him. Clark would be the better choice, IMO, but I don't think they can bring themselves to nominate a General. ;)
I don't remember the exact phrasing, but Eisenhower expressed great concern about civilians (as president) having to deal with the military industrial complex. He said something like "how will they know whether the military is blowing smoke up their butts when they say 'we have to have this weapons system.'"
curly
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Not a primary vote has been cast yet and everyone thinks Dean is the man
Last primary season, everyone thought McCain was the man...service record, moderate, nice book...and now he's the kook
We'll see. Clark is a putz. Capturing Saddam sucked a lot of the wind from their sails.
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Lieberman's the only dem I'd seriously consider. He was more middle of the road 'till he threw in his lot with Gore. On his own I'm betting he returns to his own values. Can't blame him for vascillating a bit, he is a politician afterall.
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10bears not at all....but having and still serve over in that area of the world the things that Clark did well....lets just say the guys that had few choice comments about Clark were correct. And after spending countless hours getting shot at from the POS's on the ground...lets just say I have a bit of insight on the whole issue that others might not.....
Hugh Shelton talked about integrity issues but never went into detail about what these issues were. You seem to be doing the same thing. While spending countless hours getting shot at, were any of your American G.I. buddies killed in action?..
What Shelton might be getting at here, and from what I’ve read, Clark bucked the Pentagon on several occasions -- Bringing in the choppers, timing of troop deployment that sort of thing. He thought outside the box. Is that bad for the military?. Yes. Is that bad for the Presidency? NO. The President should be someone that can see the big picture.
Wining a war in Europe without losing a single solider in combat ought to mean something. Being first in your class at West Point should rank a little higher than being a C+ legacy student at Yale. Serving your country in uniform for 34 years shows more honor and character than someone spending 22 years dead drunk wouldn’t you agree Mr. Guttboy?
No. The G.O.P. is doing everything they can to see to it Clark is not the candidate. I was just watching Fox news,.. the talking heads were saying Dean is the frontrunner and Leberman and all the rest of the pack are far behind. They’re careful not the mention Clarks name. Now why is that?.. Over on the Freeper board, they’re talking about switching over to democrat just to vote for Dean in the primary. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out the G.O.P. were contributing money to the Dean campaign.
If enough people were able to educate Dean supporters and middle of the road Republicans that Wes Clark was the man for the job.. In spite of the Neocons best efforts Clark becomes the Democratic candidate, Bush will be in for a long hard slosh.
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Damn Democrats
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Originally posted by 10Bears
Wining a war in Europe without losing a single solider in combat ought to mean something. Being first in your class at West Point should rank a little higher than being a C+ legacy student at Yale. Serving your country in uniform for 34 years shows more honor and character than someone spending 22 years dead drunk wouldn’t you agree Mr. Guttboy?
Being best buddies with ole Slick taints him too much for me.
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As a person who lives in England. I am very happy that you now say 'arse' rather than 'ass'
Ravs
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Here's a new campaign video American's Son (http://www.clark04.com/americanson/)
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Americans' Son....surely?
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Originally posted by LePaul
Not a primary vote has been cast yet and everyone thinks Dean is the man
Last primary season, everyone thought McCain was the man...service record, moderate, nice book...and now he's the kook
That's not true. The media loved McCain, but the Republican Party didn't. They were all-Bush from the get-go.
Dean is the only Dem candidate that generates any energy, even if it is fanatical energy. Even though I disagree with virtually everything Dean stands for, he at least does stand for some things. What does Clark stand for? "I'm not Bush"?
I don't think any Dem is going to win the nomination with more than 50% of the vote. Dean and Clark look to be splitting a big piece of the pie, but will either even land 40%? Doubtful. And, at the end of the day (how I loathe that phrase) the voter will have to say, "Hey, just why AM I voting for this guy?!"
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McCain???????
He's a brand of chips where I come from.
Ravs
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Clark is a pretty boy who was petted way too often by the demos, and will end his career as a failed demo nominee....
Too top this all off, he is a POS wannabe
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This prepositioning of the excuse that "the Republicans made the Democrats choose Dean" is really funny.
Let's just see how the primaries run out; I don't think it'll be close between Dean and Clark simply because the radical part of the Democratic party will pitch a hissy fit over a General.
It won't be "crossover" Republicans sneaking into the primaries that keeps Clark out. It'll be the extreme left of the Democratic party.
That's my thought. And as I said, I think the Dems have their best shot with Clark.
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Well Mr. 10 bears....if you took the time to READ my original post....
"I dont usually get into debates like this but I thank GOD every day that Clark is no longer in the military....I (my opinion only) hope that he NEVER gains a political office. God help us"
I mentioned nothing of a presidential debate now did I.
Second...I answered your question about being a Slobo supporter...I am not...
Third....can you qualify this statement you made?
"Wining a war in Europe without losing a single solider in combat ought to mean something."
You also stated....
"While spending countless hours getting shot at, were any of your American G.I. buddies killed in action?.. "
My answer is yes....and some of my Non American GI buddies were also killed in action.