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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sixpence on December 18, 2003, 10:40:32 AM
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Best QB/leader in the game? Or would you rather have Tommy Maddox?
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He's good, and in this years NFL of parity, Philly could have what it takes to go all the way, of course they'll have play St.Louis most likely in the NFC championship game, but with Bulger at the helm, I'd take Philly in that possible match up.
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Think he needs to thank Rush for the "incentive"?
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He is a good QB. that is what was so weird about Rushes comment and the total lack of support mcnabb got from the other espn hosts. The guy is a player period. If you doubt it put him on the free agent market and see how many teams would trade thier white starter for him.
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Hes alright - nothing overly special.
The birds are doing well right now because everyone on the team is playing their bellybutton off. We have no stars, just a wide selection of very good players - McNabb is no exception; a good quarterback, yes - but a Montana, Elway, or Marino he is not.
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Its not because he is good.
Its because the NFL needs a........:aok
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Rush's comments did make alot of people in the industry stop and think... though I'm sure they've already forgotten most of it.
When the Eagle's were losing, nobody was willing to acknowledge the problem(s)... McNabb being one of them. Now that they're winning, everyone's willing to call McNabb the best again. Overated definately aplies. As well as underated (defense and special teams). Philly's cluster **** at running back is what killed them at the beginning of the season. Having to rely on McNabb was obviously not the way to go. Once again... overated.
I'd take McNair or Pennington over McNabb any day.
MiniD
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mcnabb is a good qb so far,,,and allways seems to give his team a good chance at the playoffs,,and i would prefure mcnabb any day over daunte colpepper,,,cant compare mcnabb to eway or mcnair yet,,,he hasnt been in the nfl very long,,give him a few years,,then maybe we can say who is better,,lol,,can never tell with rooks
they could do a old rick mire<~~killer at notradame,,but really blew it in the nfl,,but im glad to see he was put in the raiders games,,even know there getting there butts kicked,,atleast he pulled out there only win in 5 games,,and sure did put on show a few games:)<~~got his set of rookie cards,,worthless unless he does somthing,,lol
got a few mcnabb rookie numberd cards,,sence he doing good,one has shot up over 100bucks,,,,soo i hope he keeps kicking butt:)<~~not a big mcnabb fan,,but im a fan of money somtimes,,lol
my fav qb leader at the moment is manning
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McNabb = Overrated. He's the Joe Theissmann of the day...without the lip and the team. The Eagles have a legit shot at The NFC Championship, but they are The Iggles and will find a way to blow it.
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Originally posted by rpm371
McNabb = Overrated.
RACIST!! BIGOT!! NAZI!!!
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Originally posted by Mini D
I'd take McNair or Pennington over McNabb any day.
MiniD
I would take Pennington over anyone. It's funny though, the QB of my favorite team never gets any credit, and all he does is win.
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Mcnabb Is still growing.
He will mature into a great QB someday.
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You can be not as good as Chad Pennington or Steve McNair and still be a good QB not deserving of peoples scorn.
McNabb is a good quarter back and an asset to his team. He is in the top 1/3rd of the leage for sure.
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He's in the top 50% in my book... there's much worse out there (especially this year)... but not much higher. Dunno if I'd put Culpepper in the top 50% even.
Which quarterback were you talking about Pongo? Green? Bulger? Can't be green... he has too much of a benifit from that front 5 to be fairly assessed. Alot of quarterbacks would love to have that group pass blocking for them.
I look at McNabb and see a mediocre (at best) quarterback with the speed to get him out of trouble. That moves him to just above mediocre. There's alot of teams that would rather have him in the backfield, but not so many as people think.
MiniD
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McNabb is Kordell Stewart with a somewhat better arm and better decision making. The best right now seems to be Manning, but I'm just not convinced he can will a team to win. Look out for Rex Grossman next year.:D
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There is no affirmative action in the NFL. Teams will pick the best they think will help them. They hardly guess right though. Joe Montana was what, a 6th round pick?
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Best QB/leader in the game? Or would you rather have Tommy Maddox?
I'd rather have Tommy Maddox.
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Yea.... He's something alright......:(
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Late hit.
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Lol, I guess anything short of a superbowl would have got this reaction. I guess Jim Kelly is in the same boat.
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McNabb is awful anyway. Him getting hurt was a good thing for the eagles. It was last season too.
Detmer went in after not having been in all season and did 3x better then he did.
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Technically, Detmer did 4x better (only 1 interception) ;)
The Eagles' weakness was highlighted (and it wasn't necessarily McNabb). I hope they don't do something stupid like try to pick up keeshawn Johnson. Though... they're probably gonna do something stupid like not pick up Duece Staley.
MiniD
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McNabb a good playmaker....but his career stats show that he is just an average passer. He needs help...Philly needs more playmakers...specially in the wide receiver area. As usual, the best two defensive teams are in the superbowl. Still the old adage that ya win with defense rings true.
Phillys defense wasn't of superbowl calibre all year, as was in evidence today. Seems they've had problems tackling all year.
To much pressure for McNabb alone to shouldar.
Good defensive teams win superbowls....just look at the list of winners, should be apparent.
The KC - Indy game was a trackmeet LOL.....no defense at all.
Look what happened when they ran into a good defensive football team. Carolina has the best defensive line in the NFC..and it showed. NE forced turnovers.
Superbowl should be a good defensive game.
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McNabb isn't overrated, Andy Reid is. 5-6 years as coach and the #1 receiver is James Thrash? Would Montana have been anything without Taylor, Rice, Craig and Clark?
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Who is the eagles gm? Matt millen?
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Below average passer, that is. At one point he was agile enough to make up for the fact that half of his passes are bounce passes (maybe he'd make a good point guard?), but he's not anymore.
No reciever is good enough to catch a pass that hits the turf 5 yards shallow of him.
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Well, Mcnabb doing awful was just the tip of the iceburg.
The entire Eagles team folded like a cheap tent.
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I saw three dropped passes in the 1st quarter alone. The 3rd down drop by Staley was big. Mcnabb lofted a perfect pass downfield over a linebacker and into Staley's hands. It went right through his hands.
Fatty must have been waiting all season to dig this post up. Even after rising above all the turmoil and having a pretty good season advancing all the way to the NFC title game(while at times carrying the offense on his own). But he lost in the NFC title game, so it proves he stinks. Too funny. Maybe I could have dug this post up after the 4th and 26 play , eh?
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eagles were doing great till mcnabb got that late hit on his ribs after the ref blew his whisle,,,you could tell it wasnt the same mcnabb after that,,,all the dropped passes didnt help,,,,got rid of his running ability they had it in the bag
eagles defence was doing great,,they stopped panthers a bunch times on 3 downs,,and made them kick the ball more times then they liked,,and held them to only 14 points
seen alot worse butt whippings in the nfl than this game,,it was hard fought and eagles didnt just give it away,,there offence couldnt get it together ,,,,mcnabb being hurt<~~he should of took him self out of the game soon as he was hurt,,,but by the time he did,,it was too late,but who would blame him for not wanting to stick it out?,,it was the championship,,i think he would of tried to play with a broken back,,lol
all them dropped passes,,and when he got hurt,,he started throwing low,too many bad luck factors,,but thats football for ya,,you never know what will happen:)
think the pats are going to take the superbowl,,but!! panthers did look tuff,,so you never know,,could be a great upset
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Pick whoever your #1 QB is...Brady...Manning...whoeve r...ask them to win with that line and those Eagles receivers. Nevermind superbowl you wouldn't have seen the playoffs.
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Originally posted by Hornet
Pick whoever your #1 QB is...Brady...Manning...whoeve r...ask them to win with that line and those Eagles receivers. Nevermind superbowl you wouldn't have seen the playoffs.
Bull. Mcnabb is good, but he is not great. No questioning his toughness though.
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Originally posted by stiehl
McNabb isn't overrated, Andy Reid is. 5-6 years as coach and the #1 receiver is James Thrash? Would Montana have been anything without Taylor, Rice, Craig and Clark?
It's the offensive line!
An effective offensive line can make a blind man a good quarterback.
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McNabb was standing in the pocket for 5 to 7 seconds before getting hit.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
McNabb was standing in the pocket for 5 to 7 seconds before getting hit.
MiniD
Exactly, you cannot win at that level with receivers who struggle to get any sort of seperation.
Manning looked poor and his first three options are Harrison, Wayne and Stokely. Playoff defenses are just too good for any QB to survive in a West Coast offense with the Eagles level of mediocrity at WR.
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I don't know. Had they not believed the hype and ran Staley 35 times they may well have won that game.
McNair seems to be able to create a passing game out of a weak bunch recievers. Who are Bradey's all world recievers? Culpepper has Moss, but 300+ of his receptions had to go somewhere else. Hell even Brad Johnson finds more open recievers, and not only does he suck, their recievers are so bad that KJ was their go-to guy.
That powerhouse offense that just ran over Philly with it's whopping 100 yards of passing last weekend? Yes, even Jake found more open recievers.
Yes, if you put him next to a bunch of people off the street, McNabb is an extraordinary talent. If, on the other hand, you put him next to a bunch of NFL quarterbacks, well, then you can read extraordinary quite literally.
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Originally posted by Fatty
I don't know. Had they not believed the hype and ran Staley 35 times they may well have won that game.
Against the best front 4 in football? That's a tough sell, but I think a few draws could have kept the defense honest.
McNair seems to be able to create a passing game out of a weak bunch recievers.
Actually, the Titans have 3 real good receivers. Mason, Macariens, and 1st rounder Calico are top notch. Mac and calico are 6-4 and tough to defend, I don't need to say how good Mason is. You are underestimating their receivers, they are a good group.
Who are Bradey's all world recievers?
First of all let's finally give Tom Brady some credit, he is the master of the short passing game. He is very accurate 5- 15 yards downfield. But the Patriots do not put alot of weight on his shoulders, and they don't put him in bad situations. Most of his passes are dink and dunk, high percentage passes. Actually, Troy Brown, Deon Branch, David Givens, and rookie Bethel Johnson are sure handed and can make people miss after the catch, which fits perfectly into the Patriots offensive philosophy and Tom Brady's strength. I think their success comes alot from their coaches and game plan.
Culpepper has Moss, but 300+ of his receptions had to go somewhere else.
I like Culpepper, I think he has alot of talent(shoot, the whole viking offense is great), however, he makes bad decisions at the worst times. How many times has he fumbled or threw a pick in at a crucial moment? It's like a running back who fumbles alot, what good is an 80 yard run if you fumble at the end of it? Culpepper is the better talent, imo, but he needs to learn to manage the game better by protecting the ball and making better decisions.
Hell even Brad Johnson finds more open recievers, and not only does he suck, their recievers are so bad that KJ was their go-to guy.
If you ask Gruden if he had a choice between Mcnabb and Johnson, the answer might surprise you.
That powerhouse offense that just ran over Philly with it's whopping 100 yards of passing last weekend? Yes, even Jake found more open recievers.
I'm not sure I understand this one, but Philly was awful against the run and Carolina has one of the best running attacks in the NFL. When a team runs on you like that, you have to bring your safeties up and gamble. Can you say play action?
Yes, if you put him next to a bunch of people off the street, McNabb is an extraordinary talent. If, on the other hand, you put him next to a bunch of NFL quarterbacks, well, then you can read extraordinary quite literally.
Mcnabb is an NFL QB, not a great one, but a good one. He will be a QB in this league long after Tommy Maddox and Rob Johnson are walking the street.
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Duce averaged nearly 7 yards a carry in those two games without Westbrook, and before he was hurt Westbrook carried them down the stretch.
They have been able to run all season, they just rarely did it.
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Mcnabb is good, but he is not great.
Mcnabb PWNS joo all.
:rofl
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hmm I'm not sure where you're going bringing the Pats and Titans WR Corps into this...Mason v Thrash? Troy Brown v Pinkston?
Thrash and Pinkston are the Eagles 1 and 2...I can't see either even making the team for Tennessee or New England. Freddie Mitchell has the biggest upside but both slot backs, especially Branch, are better.
I'm not saying McNabb is #1, but particularly in the NFC there are few other QBs a GM would want to build around. Who currently has bigger upside? Vick yes...Hasselbeck probably...but have to wait till the kid can win division and/or playoff game.
But honestly who else? Favre managed to lose to him up 14-0 with the best rushing attack in the playoffs. Garcia will be lucky to keep his job next year....Collins? Talk about underachieving. Bulger exposed...Delhomme has never had a defense scheme for him yet so we'll see.
Culpepper, Q.Carter, A.Brooks...all have a poorer feel for the game.
The AFC is deeper at QB...but they're deeper everywhere right now. Bottom line: calling McNabb a dog is letting the Eagles organization off the hook, he is plenty good enough to get a SuperBowl but better personnel decisions need to be made. Not even Bill Walsh was arrogant enough to think you can scheme away WR athletic deficiency in a west coast offense.