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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JBA on December 18, 2003, 01:17:14 PM
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My friend is home on 2 weeks R&R form Iraq.:)
He’s in the Intel. Doing interrogations in Northern Iraq.
I will entertain questions you might like for me to ask him and post the answers next week.
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whats the feel on the ground..? How are things going where he is at?
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Are the girls easy?
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Didn't think that was a concern of the modern army these days as they take their own girls with them. :-)
...-Gixer
~Hells Angels~
Originally posted by Maniac
Are the girls easy?
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Yeah, I've got some.
Is the emphasis on finding WMD? Do they interrogate on that subject at all? Or is it all focused on neutralizing the resistance now?
What does he think is the opinion of the "common Iraqi"? Is the overall environment hostile in the general population? Or do folks smile at our troops, that sort of thing?
After he watches a few days of our mainstream media news on Iraq, ask him if he thinks we're getting an accurate picture.
Lastly, please convey my personal thanks for his service to the nation. Politics be damned, he's serving; I salute him for his dedication, sacrifice and willingness to stand between his nation and those that would do it harm.
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Originally posted by Toad
Lastly, please convey my personal thanks for his service to the nation. Politics be damned, he's serving; I salute him for his dedication, sacrifice and willingness to stand between his nation and those that would do it harm.
ditto and what he said.
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Originally posted by Toad
Lastly, please convey my personal thanks for his service to the nation. Politics be damned, he's serving; I salute him for his dedication, sacrifice and willingness to stand between his nation and those that would do it harm.
I do believe that sums it up in a nutshell for all of us.
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Originally posted by Toad
Lastly, please convey my personal thanks for his service to the nation. Politics be damned, he's serving; I salute him for his dedication, sacrifice and willingness to stand between his nation and those that would do it harm.
Right on:aok
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Tell him he and his friends are doing a great job and congratulations on catching the 'Ace of Spades'.
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Just tell him thank you from me...
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Just my 2cents but they should have given him a month off.
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Originally posted by Toad
Lastly, please convey my personal thanks for his service to the nation. Politics be damned, he's serving; I salute him for his dedication, sacrifice and willingness to stand between his nation and those that would do it harm.
^ What everyone else said, can't add anything ~S~!
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I give you all a
for putting the differences aside when it needs it. Thank you.:aok
A little background, about the sacrifice he and others are making for us. As you may know.
I’m sure this can be said about many that are there.
not to mention the risk of life.
He was pulled out of his last year of Law School, will have to repeat some or all to graduate and pass The Bar.
Secondly he left his wife and 4-year-old daughter behind. Has not seen them since March.
I don't know if I could have done it.?
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Please give him a hearty salute from me and the Swager family.
Also tell him THANKS!! :)
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Toad said it all. I am also interested in the same questions if he is at liberty to say.
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Intel guys don't answer questions... :D
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Originally posted by Maverick
Toad said it all. I am also interested in the same questions if he is at liberty to say.
Ditto, Mav. Toad covered it all, plus the apprecation all of us here should feel for our soldiers in arms. Agree or not with whatever, we have our very finest over there- I hope we're successful and they come home soon.
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do they kill people under questioning.
if they do kill people under questioning does he approve?
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
do they kill people under questioning.
if they do kill people under questioning does he approve?
Why don't you just call him a baby killer? Better yet, why don't you greet this man at the airport and splash faux blood on him?
You just lost me, LDV.... kids doing their jobs and trying to stay alive are far different than sadistic torturers... if anything, the sadistic torturers is the regime we just disposed.
I'm amazed you'd even say that. Sheeesh, man- your credibility just got flushed right down the toilet.
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Vader, I don't know who you are other than seeing your posts on this board from time to time but from now on I want you to understand one thing.
You mean no more to me than whatever is on the bottom of my shoe. Please, please whenever you see one of my posts, remember that.
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He's always been a charmer.
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Originally posted by Airhead
I'm amazed you'd even say that. Sheeesh, man- your credibility just got flushed right down the toilet.
Nope, whatever clogged the lines thats been keeping him afloat was plunged out of the way.
-SW
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last year the military killed people under questioning. a move supported here.
i dont care if i "lost" anyone and i didn't call anyone anything the question was apropriate and honest.
you can stick you "patriotism" up your ass.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
do they kill people under questioning.
if they do kill people under questioning does he approve?
OUCH!! :eek:
Perhaps you meant to phrase it this way:
"I saw some reports that said possibly some prisoners dying from the result of some of the interrogations. Has he personally seen any of those cases or heard about them? If he has, does he feel it a necessary or unnecessary tactic if some of the prisoners are, in fact dying from the interrogations?"
That would have been an honest way of putting a delicate question under the circumstances. I'd doubt JBA's friend would give you an answer BTW as those cases would have to be classified and in no way would he share such info w/you.
Unfortunetly, you decided to bring a sledge hammer along to pound a question that could be construed to JBA's friend as purposely killing prisoners in the interrogations. In a sense, it can be construed as the same as calling him a killer.
Don't be surprised at the passionate responses against your question.
last year the military killed people under questioning. a move supported here.
i dont care if i "lost" anyone and i didn't call anyone anything the question was apropriate and honest.
you can stick you "patriotism" up your ass.
Sorry, but your bias is blinding you to the fact that your question as posed was not "appropriate and honest."
Think about it.
Regards
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Originally posted by Toad
Yeah, I've got some.
Is the emphasis on finding WMD? Do they interrogate on that subject at all? Or is it all focused on neutralizing the resistance now?
What does he think is the opinion of the "common Iraqi"? Is the overall environment hostile in the general population? Or do folks smile at our troops, that sort of thing?
After he watches a few days of our mainstream media news on Iraq, ask him if he thinks we're getting an accurate picture.
Lastly, please convey my personal thanks for his service to the nation. Politics be damned, he's serving; I salute him for his dedication, sacrifice and willingness to stand between his nation and those that would do it harm.
Wow! It's embarrassing! I find myself in full agreement with Mr. Toad! :eek: :cool:
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What is an 'accurate picture'?
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Well, you have a guy that's there every day involved in the intel operation.
And you have folks at news anchor desks in NYC.
I guess I'm asking if the soldier thinks the new reports match what he sees in person.
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Originally posted by Toad
Well, you have a guy that's there every day involved in the intel operation.
And you have folks at news anchor desks in NYC.
I guess I'm asking if the soldier thinks the new reports match what he sees in person.
wife got off the phone last week with one of the "Liberal Nurses" that worked in her unit. She'd gone over to Iraq with a staff of 4 to volunteer time in Iraq's hospitals, their tour is 30 days long I believe (Maybe 60, I'll check with the wife.) The wife got off the phone completely and utterly shocked. Her first words were "Laura, I've never appreciated America as much as I do now!" Then she went on..."The people are EXTREMELY grateful we are there, and the press is NOT reporting all the good things happening in that country!"
My wife about dropped dead with her comments.
JBA, tell em' "Thanks for your service" for me.
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lol I just love rip's qualifier..... "liberal nurse"
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Originally posted by kappa
lol I just love rip's qualifier..... "liberal nurse"
Considering the work relationship my wife has with said subject, I believe her political values are beginning to sway regarding the press, as yours probably will when you see the light.
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Lord dorf v
Why don't you post a link or two to back up your hate filled bull****.?
Come on? One link? well one that is not some tinfoil hat left wing wacko site.
Prove you crap or go away.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
you can stick you "patriotism" up your ass.
Oh, and I AM patriotic, too- patriotic enough that I've spoken my opposition to the Iraqi war, but unlike you I respect and admire our military personnel and realize they aren't the policy makers. If you want to bust the balls of returning soldiers then why don't you make yourself a big sign and go to the airport? Maybe what you'll accomplish is turning a GI against you, and your ilk, to the point they'll remember your "greeting" forever...or maybe a returning soldier will roll your sign up and stick your lack of respect up YOUR ass.
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As a died in the wool bleeding heart liberal... your question makes me want to puke ldv.
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While probably not appropriate to ask a returning soldier who isn't a close friend/family member, theres no reason to go crazy on LDV.
The Colonel West situation has been all over tv. If you recall, Colonel West shot his pistol very close to an Iraqi prisoners head to get some info on upcoming attacks. So you can see where LDVs question comes from.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
While probably not appropriate to ask a returning soldier who isn't a close friend/family member, theres no reason to go crazy on LDV.
The Colonel West situation has been all over tv. If you recall, Colonel West shot his pistol very close to an Iraqi prisoners head to get some info on upcoming attacks. So you can see where LDVs question comes from.
sry I don't ...
then again I saw nothing wrong with scaring the bejesous outa a prisoner to get info which saved his unit
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Saved lives Vs. a 'raqis wetpants.
hmmm which is better?
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Did they pack the candy on top of the soap again in the "care Packages"
Gunns
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Please add my heartfelt thanks to the gentleman and his comrades in arms. I too would like to know if, after watching the media reports here, whether he thinks the news is being reported in a fair, balanced, and accurate way.
LDV, I normally go out of my way to coach my comments to even those I violently disagree with in a non-confrontational way, and with a degree of respect I believe human beings deserve. So please take this in the spirit it is intended...
Go to hell.
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no im not talkin about some officer being brave with a pistol during the hot fighting sounds alot like a "b" movie i saw about nam once maby to much like it if you know what i mean.
im talkin about cold blooded murder. by american intel guys.
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:h_Gjl4BPrMMJ:www.msnbc.com/news/999634.asp%3F0si%3D-+Guantanamo+deaths&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
http://asia.news.yahoo.com/031201/ap/d7v59jpg1.html
this one talks about their methods.
http://asia.news.yahoo.com/031201/ap/d7v59jpg1.html
so the army says people were murdered ( in cold blood) under questioning. so my question is reasonable and just people just like your friend have murdered ( tortured to death ) at least three men in two countrys under questioning. ( in the name of freedom and YOUR american way)
when this first came out there was a thread on this board where all the usual facists supported the torture and murder of these men. ( how soon you forget ) i was outraged and still am. when you dispicable fools hide behind a flag you insense me further. and im not sorry.
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Originally posted by Sabre
LDV, I normally go out of my way to coach my comments to even those I violently disagree with in a non-confrontational way, and with a degree of respect I believe human beings deserve. So please take this in the spirit it is intended...
Go to hell.
ROTFLOL! Thanks for making my day! That was hiliarious!:aok
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I don't think an accurate picture of a conflict can ever be attained. Only with the passing of time and the release of information during that time, can you approach it.
I also think that while someone might be able to describe a narrow aspect in great detail, extrapolating that to the wider situation is not neccessarily going to give you an 'accurate picture'.
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so someone who was there doesn't have a better idea what's going on than some stuff shirt talkin head or windbag reporter looking for the story that'll get his arse outa the field and into a stuff shirt of his own?
I'm pretty sure he won't waste his time with us .... 2 weeks will be gone in a blink, the last thing he wants to waste his time on is talkin about Iraq to a bunch of bbs losers
the buddy of JBA & thank you sir
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Neither one of your links to the same article say that US forces were responsible for the deaths.
Ever consider the possibility that they two were killed by fellow inmates for talking to the infidels or something like that?
Ever hear of inmates killing inmates in prison?
Your just spewing more of your bitter BS, like you always do. You've got zip here in your links.
And "their methods"?
Amnesty said that interviews of former Bagram prisoners that were conducted by the human rights group and by journalists have shown that detainees were subjected to ill treatment that may constitute torture, including blindfolding, prolonged forced kneeling, sleep deprivation and the cruel use of shackles.
Oh, the horror.
Clue ya. They did all this to me and much more in the "special" resistance school after Survival that all RC pilots had to attend. And I was one of "them"; I was a fellow serviceman. I survived.
Not to mention the Nato E&E exercise I was chosed to attend on behalf of my squadron. That was worse, actually. Just no end to the good deals.
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Can't wait to read JBA's answers!
Ravs
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Originally posted by Toad
Clue ya. They did all this to me and much more in the "special" resistance school after Survival that all RC pilots had to attend. And I was one of "them"; I was a fellow serviceman. I survived.
Was this done in Colorado? My Brother-in-law is a Blue Zoo grad and told me about this fun little training program. He said they had Marines acting as the enemy and that they were especially fond of beating the crap out of young AF Lt's.
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Originally posted by JBA
I give you all a for putting the differences aside when it needs it. Thank you.:aok
A little background, about the sacrifice he and others are making for us. As you may know.
I’m sure this can be said about many that are there.
not to mention the risk of life.
He was pulled out of his last year of Law School, will have to repeat some or all to graduate and pass The Bar.
Secondly he left his wife and 4-year-old daughter behind. Has not seen them since March.
I don't know if I could have done it.?
holy ouch...
I always forget what it was like to be uprouted all the time..but thats a real kick.
Hope he enjoys his leave
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we shall see
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ravells, off to a late start, goes for Rips title and is gaining ground
;)
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LOL
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
so the army says people were murdered ( in cold blood) under questioning. so my question is reasonable and just people just like your friend have murdered ( tortured to death ) at least three men in two countrys under questioning. ( in the name of freedom and YOUR american way)
when this first came out there was a thread on this board where all the usual facists supported the torture and murder of these men. ( how soon you forget ) i was outraged and still am. when you dispicable fools hide behind a flag you insense me further. and im not sorry. [/B]
By your logic since Lt. Calley massacred civilians in Viet Nam every Viet Vet is a babykiller. :rolleyes:
It has NOTHING to do with politics to wish the grunts Godspeed and remember them in our prayers. Right or wrong the service people deserve our respect and, believe it or not, our COURTESY. For you to suggest you'd ask a serviceperson if they condoned torture is discourteous, but of course we both know your bad-ass attitude ends at your computer screen; all you do is prove the old saying "The bigger the Woo the smaller the Waa."
Really, man, you are the only one interjecting politics in this Thread. Everyone else was wishing JBA's friend well and thanking him (or apologizing) his life is put on hold, at best, or on the line, at worst.
You need to get past your agenda- you're reminding me of the PETA activists who e-mailed Roy that he got what he deserved cause he'd hit Monticor with his microphone. You're looking bitter these days.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
no im not talkin about some officer being brave with a pistol during the hot fighting sounds alot like a "b" movie i saw about nam once maby to much like it if you know what i mean.
im talkin about cold blooded murder. by american intel guys.
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:h_Gjl4BPrMMJ:[url]www.msnbc.com/news/999634.asp%3F0si%3D-+Guantanamo+deaths&hl=en&ie=UTF-8[/url]
http://asia.news.yahoo.com/031201/ap/d7v59jpg1.html
this one talks about their methods.
http://asia.news.yahoo.com/031201/ap/d7v59jpg1.html
so the army says people were murdered ( in cold blood) under questioning. so my question is reasonable and just people just like your friend have murdered ( tortured to death ) at least three men in two countrys under questioning. ( in the name of freedom and YOUR american way)
when this first came out there was a thread on this board where all the usual facists supported the torture and murder of these men. ( how soon you forget ) i was outraged and still am. when you dispicable fools hide behind a flag you insense me further. and im not sorry.
Bad people die along with the good people!
The trick Is to kill more bad guys than the good.
So LDV If some of them go meet AHLA LOL GOOD:D
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which ones did you kill, Mr Black? Bad or Good?
Ravs
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Originally posted by Pongo
holy ouch...
I always forget what it was like to be uprouted all the time..but thats a real kick.
Hope he enjoys his leave
Think of it this way (not asking for sympothy just givin perspective) When I got out of the Corps the first time life was good as a civilion. I had 2 very good jobs a great condo right by the pool. I fiance who was actually pregnant at the time. Makin money and getting ready for the holidays. On nov 15th 2001 (2 months after 9/11) I recieve a FEDEX pacage in the mail that contains two things.....Orders....plane tickets. It basically says "be at camp pendleton bags packed ready to go in 12 days....your active duty again)
I was just starting to enjoy civilian life again and now I gotta go play Marine for one more year.....BTW wife gave birth to my first born....didnt make it home.
Duty in itself sucks but people dont do it for medals...they dont do it for thank yous.....they do it cause they feels its right. to your friend for his service. "keep your heads down and dont bunch up"
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Originally posted by ravells
which ones did you kill, Mr Black? Bad or Good?
Ravs
Just the ones that looked at me funny:rolleyes: