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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Westy on December 19, 2003, 05:03:51 PM
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"The plan for 2004 is to undercut all of our competitors on price and then go head to head on features and gameplay. Target iEN"
iEN throws a curve into WWII aircombat simdom by lowering WB's (all of thier games) to a $13.95 flat rate and all you mokes can do is toss stinky political cow puckeys back and forth? ;)
IMO this could actually be a threat soon to subscriptions at other venues should they ever abandon the "FM by committee" setup, ditch the "mush" and also make WB III or Quankbirds an evenemotely easy download. They're using that atroicious Fileplanet
http://agw.warbirdsiii.com/bbs/showthread.php?threadid=28096
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I for one couldn't care less.
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You might!
And many who have come back don't find it to be "mushbirds", though YMMV.
WBIII is actually showing some development and life... finally. Who knows when it will stop, but a lot of good things have been happening lately.
BB
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Good news for those that were paying $24.95/month. Not really much of a difference to iEN. "Too little Too late" is a saying that comes to mind.
BTW... what does "head on features and gameplay" mean? They plan on going head to head on features eventually?
MiniD
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I am just posting a reply to this because I now have 5 'top 5 replies' on the board.
but for what it's worth I think that iEN suck.
Ravs
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I never left because the price was too high... heck i even paid ´2$ an hour for it...
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" We cannot offer this price to current players at this time. We will also not shift any current accounts to the new plan or rename any new accounts to your old handle for the time being. Hopefully, we’ll be too busy signing up new players. However, it is our hope that we will be able to extend this offer to all our players in 2004"
now theres a real winner for ya !!!!
thats a great way to treat the dedicated player base ... :rofl
let in newbies at a price break ... but the old subs keep getting screwed ... thats Ien for ya .... true to its form AFU
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damn. not enbough lighter fluid. ok.............
"BTW... what does "head on features and gameplay" mean? They plan on going head to head on features eventually"
I think it means that the one ACM trick gamers (HOes), friendly fire griefers, dive bombing with heavy bombers and suicide jabo dEwDz are about to change the face of WB's forever too.
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You mean their gonna leave AH ?
Yahoo !
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
" We cannot offer this price to current players at this time. We will also not shift any current accounts to the new plan or rename any new accounts to your old handle for the time being. Hopefully, we’ll be too busy signing up new players. However, it is our hope that we will be able to extend this offer to all our players in 2004"
now theres a real winner for ya !!!!
thats a great way to treat the dedicated player base ... :rofl
let in newbies at a price break ... but the old subs keep getting screwed ... thats Ien for ya .... true to its form AFU
No kidding Is that a rip off or what?
Geezus what a slap in the face to there old custopmers.
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You've been had, mate.
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I remember paying $30 a month in AH while lots of new people were secretly enticed with offers of lifetime accounts at various price points - $9.95, $14.95, $19.95, etc. HTC was trying to determine the sweet spot for a price reduction, and alot of longtime players felt that was unfair to them.
HTC made it through that episode OK (it sounds like you guys were even unaware of it) and WarBirds will make it through this one.
Its a welcome move, IMO.
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Amen to that Oboe...
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and carpe diem too.
for what that is worth..
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Still the deal is a good one. The premium accounts will be getting added value with access to closed betas as quoted by TARGET
For those folks who already have active accounts. Our goal is to eventually bring EVERYONE in line with the new pricing. We cannot offer this price to current players at this time. We will also not shift any current accounts to the new plan or rename any new accounts to your old handle for the time being. Hopefully, we’ll be too busy signing up new players. However, it is our hope that we will be able to extend this offer to all our players in 2004. For current players, we’re offering some improved services and changes in the coming year. Our Premium $24.95 account will go down to $19.95 in March. Premium players will also have special access to the developers, a new version disk (as requested) at every new release, access to all new closed betas of the game, and other special in game features still in development.
BUT if they really want get the price lower they can get it right away as stated By TARGET
CC, I can understand how some will be upset. If they are THAT upset they can cancel their account, start a new one and be at $13.95. But they'll lose their handles and not get any of the stuff that we're working to provide the $24.95er's in the interum.
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Originally posted by ravells
and carpe diem too.
for what that is worth..
Holy **** ravs, you trying to challenge Ripsnort or something?
-Sik
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wots he done?
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tee hee,
this is fun
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12,861 posts.
-Sik
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I'm just aiming for.........every post on the board.........that is the challenge..........see if you can do it!
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Hes on drugs....
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has this been done before?
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BUT if they really want get the price lower they can get it right away as stated By TARGET
But who would want to loose their handle?
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Where are you from?
definitely european, I think
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What the hell is a "moke"?? Is this a term for a warbirds player?
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Do they have a free trial going?
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ya still get two weeks free before they start charging your account. So there is a free trial. Unfortunately, it still requires all the appropriate CC details...
Although that may have changed - There was a kid on the other night wondering how to play with out a CC, and he was obviously online, so maybe even the CC info isn't required. Visit the totalsims.com website and take a look.
BB
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Originally posted by mrblack
No kidding Is that a rip off or what?
Geezus what a slap in the face to there old custopmers.
Well, similar thing happened here aswell. Some subscribers (mostly ex-WBs and people who stopped AH I think) got a life-long "special deal" offer from HTC. So as most customers were paying something like 29.90 (it's been some time) they got rates at 9.90, 14.90, 19.90 etc. ...
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Hmmmm ... Fighter Ace just went from $9.95 a month to $14.95 a month ....
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I will never trust iEN with my Credit Card again. It was a 5-month ordeal to close my account. I had to get my lawyer and the State Attorney General involved stopping the billing! After that letter they stopped billing me. Imagine that!
Try calling iEN and then call HTC. HTC has real customer service.
iEN is scared to dead of AH2. Remember all the promises from Hot Seat about WB3? Case closed!
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i heard a few other stories of iEN charging cancelled accounts as well. scarey.
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iEN is scared to dead of AH2.
They should be.... And if HT could model ground troops ala Day of Defeat then WWIIOL should be scared to death too :D
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Originally posted by Maniac
If HT could model ground troops ala Day of Defeat then WWIIOL should be scared to death too :D
Excellent point!
OK…Thinking WAY out of the box here:
If HTC and the Rats could....
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LOL at the move of desperation.That sim is on life-support,waiting for the plug to be pulled.
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Actually when i went over for the AH vs WB dual ... it was a two weeks free with out having to use a CC ... I wouldnt of done it if they wanted a CC # ... but they did require a payed for Email addy ... hotmail / yahell addys wouldnt work ....
After my trial was done though they spammed the hell outta my email ... i ended up blocking there addy finally .
I have nothing against the players.. I just hate the upper management over there ... and I wont let that mafia have any of my hard earned $$$
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For the IJ fans... WBIII models the following:
Fighters:
Ki-43 IIb
Ki-44 IIc (new!)
Ki-61b
Ki-61c (new!) (not to be confused with the 61d, AKA Ki-61-KAIc)
Ki-84 1a
A6M2
A6M3
A6M5
Bombers:
D3A1
B5N2
G4M1
G4M2
Rumored to be in production (2 weeks away):
Ki-27
Ki-61-1d (AKA Ki-61 KAIc)
J2M2 (saw a screenshot of this one, no idea how far along FM is.)
J2M3
N1K1J
G4M3
Not a bad selection for a typically under-represented IJ planeset. So, if all the dedicated AH IJ pilots tried out WBIII, there'd be 3 or 4 new WBIII pilots. :D
Kekule
WB: 18th Sentai
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How many of those are available at any one time kekule?
MiniD
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Not wishing to turn this into a RPS discussion, but I like an RPS.
Otherwise, all you'd see are spits, ponies, 190s... etc. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. :)
An RPS gives early war planes a time frame for them to be competitive. Just ask lazs!
All MHO.
Besides, the Ki-84 and Ki-43 are available in WBIII far more than they are available in AH. So there. :p
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All the planes available half the time or half the planes available all the time.
It's hard to brag on planes that are most likely not available.
MiniD
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The part I like is the "special access to the developers" part. Just why the hell does someone need "special access"? Why can't all subscribers to a game have access to the development team like every other online flight sim?
I was about to go try it again this month with all the time off that I have coming up but I think my time will be better spent playing AH and AH2 (testing) new things than getting ticked off about WB3. Good luck WB I hope that you are able to resurrect something out of the fires that were built beneath your home by your management. I could post on the WB3 board but I don't want to go through the time of looking for my password and old user name (I think its ljk_reschke).
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Mini D, I don't really care to get into a silly debate on the merits of an RPS system, or WB vs AH.
If you are an IJ fan, then you'll appreciate some of the planes that WB has to offer.
If not, then it really makes no difference what IJ planes are available, eh? :)
Kekule
And even if the Ki-84 was only available 1 day out of the entire year in WB, that's still one day more than AH! :cool:
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The part I like is the "special access to the developers" part. Just why the hell does someone need "special access"? Why can't all subscribers to a game have access to the development team like every other online flight sim?
It's access to CLOSED betas not the open versions. Everyone is allowed access to the open beta.
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Really cool pics of new and old buffs over the new ETO map (http://agw.warbirdsiii.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28191)
Now that Hotseat is gone and they have a dam good artist and graphics programmer. things are looking up
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Originally posted by Kekule
Mini D, I don't really care to get into a silly debate on the merits of an RPS system, or WB vs AH.
I know you don't. But, you did bring it up. You can't present one side without the other as much as you'd like to say you should be able to.If you are an IJ fan, then you'll appreciate some of the planes that WB has to offer.
If not, then it really makes no difference what IJ planes are available, eh? :)
If you are an IJ fan, you might be equally as frustrated during a european matchup eh?
Like I said... can't have one without the other. You have 1 more fighter and 2 more variants with the same number of bombers and 1 more variant. Yet... they're only available half of the time at best.
Once again... claim it doesn't matter all you want while trying to remember you started listing game features in a thread about price. It's only fair that the other side is presented.
MiniD
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Yeah, I had a lifetime 9.99 account with HTC-shame it wasn't worth even that to me, but don't feel like it is a slam, because my free WBIII account isn't worth playing to me, either. I'll pay my, whatever it is, WWIIOL account till I am tired of it, and then.....
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To each there own.
Some like an RPS some don't. But that's what makes AH and WB different. Difference is a good thing. All the Sims has a certain unique quality to them that sets them apart. Nothing says you have an allegiance to one sim.
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We have a semi-rolling planeset.It's called Combat Theater.
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I hear it's not that popular over here
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Originally posted by helllo
I hear it's not that popular over here
You're right....it only has about the same player count as WB's.
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And all the while Targetware continues to quietly progress, adding new features at a faster rate than all others, already achieving a Flight Model & Damage Model far in advance of anything else, & gathering together a community of like minded individuals who actually prefer constructive dialog to pissing in each others wheaties.
All for the princely sum of ZERO dollars (Open Beta) & US$10.00/month when its ready for the market ;)
Oh, did I mention that for that price you can fly anything from a near box kite to a 60s fighter jet ??
Check it out, its FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE :D
*No Flight Sim egos were harmed in this commercial*
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TR needs to work on it's GUI just a little bit :)
Very good FM's.
DM's will be a test. If and when it becomes popular they will come under the gun by irate players who will curse them when they are killed, whether justified or not (as they do all combat flight sims)
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Sounds like you haven't got the latest version regards UI.
Can't argue with the damage log ;)
031207 15:14:22 STRIKE #1: 20.00mm HE, Douglas SBD-3 Dauntless left mid wing: pen 22.4 kJ
031207 15:14:22 STRIKE #1: 20.00mm HE, Douglas SBD-3 Dauntless left mid wing: pen 22.6 kJ
031207 15:14:23 STRIKE #1: 20.00mm HEIT, Douglas SBD-3 Dauntless right h-stab: pen incen 22.5 kJ
031207 15:14:23 STRIKE #1: 7.70mm API, Douglas SBD-3 Dauntless v-stab: pen incen 0.3 kJ
031207 15:14:23 OVERPENETRATION: Douglas SBD-3 Dauntless, 7.70mm API, after 1 parts hit
031207 15:14:23 STRIKE #1: 7.70mm API, Douglas SBD-3 Dauntless Left Tail Gun: pen incen 0.5 kJ
031207 15:14:23 STRIKE #2: 7.70mm API, Douglas SBD-3 Dauntless Right Tail Gun: pen 0.5 kJ
031207 15:14:23 OVERPENETRATION: Douglas SBD-3 Dauntless, 7.70mm API, after 2 parts hit
031207 15:14:23 STRIKE #1: 20.00mm API, Douglas SBD-3 Dauntless forward fuselage: pen incen 5.1 kJ
031207 15:14:23 OVERPENETRATION: Douglas SBD-3 Dauntless, 20.00mm API, after 1 parts hit
031207 15:14:23 STRIKE #1: 20.00mm API, Douglas SBD-3 Dauntless right outer wing: pen incen 1.5 kJ
031207 15:14:23 OVERPENETRATION: Douglas SBD-3 Dauntless, 20.00mm API, after 1 parts hit
031207 15:14:23 STRIKE #1: 20.00mm HE, Douglas SBD-3 Dauntless aft fuselage: pen 22.6 kJ
031207 15:14:23 STRIKE #1: 7.70mm API, Douglas SBD-3 Dauntless v-stab: pen 0.3 kJ
031207 15:14:23 OVERPENETRATION: Douglas SBD-3 Dauntless, 7.70mm API, after 1 parts hit
031207 15:14:23 STRIKE #1: 20.00mm HE, Douglas SBD-3 Dauntless aft fuselage: pen 22.6 kJ
031207 15:14:23 STRIKE #1: 20.00mm HE, Douglas SBD-3 Dauntless right brake flap: pen incen 22.6 kJ
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So what happened to the SBD? Did it go down or continue to fly along?
Seems like a good time to be flight simmer!
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gun convergance was always too funky over there. Like my guns were 100ft out from each wingtip.
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Originally posted by helllo
I hear it's not that popular over here
If by "not as popular" you mean as many people fly in it as fly in the WB arena then you are right.
MiniD
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Originally posted by baders
And all the while Targetware continues to quietly progress, adding new features at a faster rate than all others
bull****
How long has TW been in development? Needing to have an incredible ammount of features added after 3 years of development just to catch up lends itself to providing the "opportunity to add 'new' features at a faster rate". Overall, there's not been a game that's seen less development over the last 3 years.
That's not a pissing contest... it's a fact.already achieving a Flight Model & Damage Model far in advance of anything else, & gathering together a community of like minded individuals who actually prefer constructive dialog to pissing in each others wheaties.
That's odd, because I flew TW and hopped right into the plane and made it do exactly what I wanted with little to no additional practice. "far in advance of anything else". What's that you were saying about a pissing contest?
It's good to have a captive audience of developers discussing the game. Wait till you have paying customers before starting to stroke yourself.
MiniD
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As in percentage wise. There is no doubt at the moment AH has better numbers than WB.
Main Arena vs WWII Arena
WWII Arena has the majority of players right now.
Over here, the Combat Arena doesn't have the majority I assume.
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What do percentages have to do with it? The CT theater is just as popular as WBIII. The numbers show that. WBIII cannot compete with the MA at all.
MiniD
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How about I sum things up for ya Mini so you don't have to post any more. :)
AH rocks
WB sucks
TW sucks
WWIIOL sucks
HT is God
:aok (Did I forget anything?)
The reason I posted a list of IJ planes is because often that plane set is ignored. There are 3 or 4 dedicated IJ fans in AH that might or might not be interested. I could have started a new thread, but I didn't want my post to get deleted or locked for being off topic even in the OT forum. (http://www.ironmaiden.org/bb/images/smilies/lol.gif)
Summary: The AH OT forum is not the place to discuss games other than AH.
Kekule
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Gents, pay no heed to mini-d. He does not speak for all the AH'ers over here.
Many of us(myself included) used to fly WB, and I for one did not know that the HE-111 has been added to WB!
I think I'm going to try a two week account and see how WBIII is shaping up.
Question...if I open an account with iEN again, does my $12.99(or whatever the price is) give me access to DoA III when that releases?
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Wow...
This is pretty amazing. I don't believe I slammed warbirds at all. I simply stated facts. If any were in error, please let me know.
I'm not trying to dog the WB community or the TW community, but find it odd that both have come in here touting the superiority of their game in some aspect... expecting no response.
Not a request to check it out, but a "this is what's better about our game..." statements.
And banana... I don't pretend to speak for the AH community. I speak for myself. As far as I can tell, you're the only one that has entered this thread pretending to speak for a community.
MiniD
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Baxl/banana/trumpet/Strumpet
you have access to DOA3 right now with a paid subscription. It shows up as a "Flanders" arena when you get to the arena list.
For WWI fans, they like it a lot - but I've rarely seen more than 15 people in the arena - and usually less than 10. But, I have fairly homogeneous flying times (late night PST) and numbers might be better at other times.
As far as when it gets released - not sure. You'd have to ask the iEN guys that question, though at first blush, I would assume so.
BB
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Let me make things clear for you.
I was talking about the "Warbirds Main Arena" vs the "Warbirds WWII Arena"
Not "Warbirds Main Arena" vs "Aces High Main Arena" The same goes for the CT vs the WWIIA.
If you take a look at the first sentence of my post it says that AH has more numbers.
Read a little closer next time
The percentage deals with those that like all planes available all the time vs those that like an RPS.
Sheesh
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Maybe you should try the same helllo. The CT arena has the numbers that any WB III arena has. It's that simple.
Feel free to call it "not very popular". Just don't pretend it says anything other than that type of gameplay isn not prefered by most... no matter where it is. Basically, the AH main is an equally prefered choice for most over the CT and WB3.
MiniD
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Apples and Oranges, AH and WB two different animals. I understand your point that you think that the AH Main is the most preferred type of game play, period.
I disagree to the point that it does not apply to the average Warbirds player. Warbirds is taking a different path then AH, is that wrong? The Warbirds Main Arena is very similar to the AH Main. But the WB main is empty! go figure. According to you it should be the most popular.
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LOL BB Gun!
I know I look like I have an identity crisis going on, but in WWIIOL I was unable to get either banana or Bax, my current AH and former WB callsigns.
I'm going to see if either Trumpet or banana is available at iEN, and take one of those if they are for my new WB account. -baxl- is retired forever.
Sorry Mini-D, didn't mean to jump all over you like I did. My apologies. I just wanted Kekule to know that there are many old Warbirders over here, and I appreciated that he took the time to post this thread.
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I talking about gameplay, not AH vs WB3
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Originally posted by helllo
I disagree to the point that it does not apply to the average Warbirds player. Warbirds is taking a different path then AH, is that wrong? The Warbirds Main Arena is very similar to the AH Main. But the WB main is empty! go figure. According to you it should be the most popular.
You are forgetting one simple thing. WB shut down the main in an attempt to push the WW2 arena. When the numbers moved there, those wanting an MA moved elsewhere. The numbers never recovered and all warbirds was left with was those liking the WW2 arena. It's exactly why WBs still struggles to get numbers. As long as the WW2 arena is the only populated area in WB, they will struggle to get new subscriptions.
As many people like the CT in AH as much as like WB right now. If AH were to shut down the MA and force everyone to the CT... what do you think would happen?
It's not about what players are left and what they prefer. It's about getting new customers. It's a tough one for the WB diehards to accept, but you guys are going to have to or there won't be any real improvements to WB or it's numbers for some time.
MiniD
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This is silly. :)
Happy Holidays to my fellow WWII sim enthusiasts, no matter what game y'all play!
(http://darklily.250free.com/smileys/santahat.gif)
Kekule (http://darklily.250free.com/smileys/frosty.gif)
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I think it had more to do with the price than the gameplay.
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I was there when they switch over to the WWIIA, the main never went away.
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Ok kek
to all Sim dudes alike even if you are Mini D
Merry Christmas
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Originally posted by helllo
I was there when they switch over to the WWIIA, the main never went away.
I know you do... that's why you're still there. Time will tell if you are right since price is no longer the issue.
But then... I didn't introduce the "gameplay" discussion to this thread either.
MiniD
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A true test for sure
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I was there... they shut down the main arena and you could only fly the idiotic and boring WWII arena for a month or so.. that was about the last straw for a lot of us and we left....
I like flying early war planes but I like flying any early war plane against any other. in WWII arena every plane, enemy or friendly acts exactly the same.... there is no variety to the fights... the 109's do the 109 move and the spits do the spit move and everyone learns it the first day of the RPS for those planes (if they have the skills of even a lap dog) and then it is the same ol thing over and over until the next part of the rps where you have 2-5 other planes to "learn" no variety... the german planes allways do german things... the brit planes allways do brit things and the jap planes allways do the jap thing... doesn't matter where in the RPS... you allways face the same fight... just faster or slower.
mini is right... the reason we have as many in the CT as you have in your main is because.... there are only so many players in the world who can take that lack of variety for any length of time.
I jump in the CT from time to time when there is a particularly close matchup (about 10% of the time) and do it for a day or so but... it gets old fast doing the same moves against the same moves over and over.
WB is one big CT... it better be darn cheap.
I do hope our toolshed battlers will go there tho. Perfect for them, It seems like they lack the boredom gene.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Careful Mini, your noodle envy is showing ;)
Anyways, merry Christmas or whatever you celebrate to ALL simmers & remember, THEY were the heroes...............WE are mere images.
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Originally posted by oboe
So what happened to the SBD? Did it go down or continue to fly along?
Seems like a good time to be flight simmer!
Shortly after ths mauling I went down with controls almost ineffective & a fuel fire to boot. Hit the water before the inevitable fuel tank explosion but didn't survive the impact :)
It is indeed a good time to be a flight simmer :)
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I found it's been real tuff (actually, impossible is the right word) to whip the credit card out and sign up. If there is anything about iEN that makes me seriously nervous it's giving them that number.
I personally will hold out until the Bile Pill is dethroned and hopefully another group can snatch up WB III. Then perhaps I could be sure my subscription is paying for something that is heading in a development direction I don't mind supporting. If I'd been a WB-III subscriber for the past couple of years I'd certainly not have been to pleased at all with the focus on making cheasy knock offs instead of creating substantial improvements to what it was I was actually paying to enjoy.
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it was never about the money for me..
if it were 5$ a month it wouldn't make a diff
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Originally posted by baders
Careful Mini, your noodle envy is showing ;)
Ya... typical reply of a bragart.
MiniD
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Just a reminder ... Fighter Ace 3's free two weeks all arena's starts today ...
we could all run over there and duel it out ...
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It ain't brag'n if it's a drag'n
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Roscoroo,
Thats all well and good but did you know that the full download for Fighter Ace 3.6 weighs in at 457MB!!!! Its friggin huge compared to the download for WB3. On my ADSL connection I am looking at 141KB/sec on the download right now and its still going to take me a little over 55 minutes to download it. Then I have to figure out how to run it and getting it to shutdown without having to reboot the system. Something I had to do all through the FA3 beta, as well as the last time I tried FA when they released the 3.5 update and I got three months with the CD. I had the same problem all during my time in FA2-2.5.
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I just downloaded Dawn Of Aces again and played it for a bit offline. If there was a good WWI sim out there I would go to it. It's a shame it is'nt offered here....
I did find it interesting that one of the drones I shot up was named, "HITECH"
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I remember when the original Doom free version was available.
I downloaded it at the computer lab at school, download rate of less than 2 bps. Took over an hour and the program was so big that even zipped it had to be stored on 2, yes TWO floppy discs!
My friends and I *****ed about the file size. What kind of a game needs the storage space provided by two floppy discs?!? A decade or so later, and now games are 200+ megs, compressed. :lol
Y'all on cable and DSL have nothing to complain about. I downloaded WBIII on a dial-up. About 8 to 10 hours was the total time it took. Ouch!
Kekule
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I never could understand why someone with a broadband connection would gripe about a large download size. Just click the download link, minimize download, install when download is finished. Whether it takes 2 minutes or 2 hours, it's not like you have to put your life or other computer activities on hold for the download. I can see how it'd suck for people on dial-up, but then they've got dial-up, so screw 'em. :p
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After the credit card nonesense I've heard many times about IEN, no thanks. Plus, I prefer giving my money to the folks at HTC, as I know right where their interests are - enhancing AH and making it as successful as possible. As for games whose developers don't feel are worth paying for yet . . . come back when they are worth it. I do hope WBIII keeps on rolling along though, as there are folks who like it and it'd be unfortunate for their sim to die.
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Originally posted by polka
I just downloaded Dawn Of Aces again and played it for a bit offline. If there was a good WWI sim out there I would go to it. It's a shame it is'nt offered here....
I did find it interesting that one of the drones I shot up was named, "HITECH"
Same one as here, He was in on the creation of it ... now ya know.
and the DLer for FA3 runs pritty fast .. it didnt take me to long to get it on my dsl ... 2 + or - hours or so if i remember right
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*** me, kids are spoiled these days anyone remember those times when your MC was hit with a $200 US monthly WB bill.
Thanks to HT i didn't go blind never had the time for all those nasty porn sites.:aok
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lmao... yep, I remember those (expensive) months
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No kidding, I remember those $200+ months playing Warbirds. It was worth every penny, too.
I now have accounts at AH, WB and WW2OL. I get all three for a very reasonable shade over $40/month.
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Hmmm, I don't remember any WB bills that high. Oh yeah, I had a free flagged acct since I worked for TM at the time. (http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/otn/mfinger/hjtwofinger.gif)
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13.95? Huh. They may actually survive.
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I ran bills in the 80$ region.
We should demand a refund :)