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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Steve on December 19, 2003, 07:29:08 PM
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It's pointless and adds no value to the game for the vast majority of the people I've heard comment about it.
Get rid of it... it's pointless.
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Well atleast make it where we can use the mission planner at night fer gads sake.
Ever hear of night time bombing missions?
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It's pointless and adds no value to the game for the vast majority of the people I've heard comment about it.
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Well atleast make it where we can use the mission planner at night fer gads sake.
Ever hear of night time bombing missions?
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Wasnt there the same topic brought up a couple days ago? Sorta gets old.. If HTC wanted to change it they would.
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They have this same topic all the time wild. lol.
But I do agree, night time sucks.
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Mrblack, are you an idjit?
Night bombing missions.... like I said, the vast majority I spoke to don't enjoy things like night bombing missions.
Please refrain from posting in threads that you ar either not going to read or are unable to comprehend.
It's obvious you didn't read/understand my post. Please go away until you do.
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I don't see the whole point to it myself, I'm willing to bet quite a few people fly with brightness/contrast way up anyway.
If they could level the playing field in that regard at least we would all be at the same disadvantage.
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It's stoopid, particularly during Prime Time.
But it won't change.
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Originally posted by WldThing
Wasnt there the same topic brought up a couple days ago? Sorta gets old.. If HTC wanted to change it they would.
They should change it.
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Originally posted by mrblack
Well atleast make it where we can use the mission planner at night fer gads sake.
Ever hear of night time bombing missions?
i agree with mrblack
the night was a historical time in air war fair were bombers like the lancaster were used night after night this game is already dweeby like dive bombing lancasters on cv's or the fact that people never fly anything but the big 5
night has to be here because it simulates real life flying
last time i looked this was a FLIGHT SIM! not a day flight SIM!
true there is things like icons that make it much less real but there must be a line of real life and game play
right now i think aces high team has done a good job for what a staff of 5 people
are squad uses the night to bomb with lancasters some times and im sorry you furballers cant see anything but the real pilots had it much harder the only way they could shoot down other aircraft at night was by using radar
wait till you see how much harder its going to be to take off can you think of the whines:rofl
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I still like night...it's a fun change of pace as far as I'm concerned.
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Originally posted by Toad
It's stoopid, particularly during Prime Time.
lol Naw, US prime time gameplay is what stoooooopid. CocKtail Hour Warriors don`t know if their washing or hanging out.
BTW Toad, the idea you had in the other thread about the beta map in a separate arena with possibly a 100 player limit was excellent. I just wonder who would actualy play in this arena.
Do you think the peeps that keep complaining about the big maps and proclaim to want "furballs" would actualy play in this arena? The most professed "we want furballs" posters wouldn`t know a furball as it applies to MA gameplay if it bit em in da ***.
I think it is an excellent idea you came up with, I would just like to know your point of view on whether it would go over or not.
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night rocks!
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It sucks, it will always suck.
That said, there was a "window" on this Friday nights primetime when it didn't raise it's dark head.
First time in a month where the beer was planted COLD on a weekend free desktop without the game killing black..
Night SUCKS.
Not to mince words here. I really feel strongly about this.
Next...
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Night does not suck - night is when I get a majority of my kills - when the guy cannot see me. Night offers concealment - true under-dar raid opportunities. Aside from the channel 1 *****ings, night offers a short lived element of surprise that few squad commanders can do effectively during the daytime.
Wolfala
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night is when I get a majority of my kills
Do you really believe this? As short as night is, and the fact that you've spent 45 hours online this month... you must realize what you suggest is a near mathematical impossibility.
when the guy cannot see me
So you prefer to shoot targets that are unaware of your presence?
Why not just bomb buildings? Or is the AI ack too tough?
Fly the offline arena... I'm pretty sure those drones will not be able to see you.
:aok
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Remember... 90 % of pilots killed were killed by the bogie they were unaware of.
Wolfala
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Originally posted by simshell
night has to be here because it simulates real life flying
WW2 night flying, other than highly inaccurate bombing raids, was a small part of the air war.
Additionally, we don't have "night fighters". We have a few of the day VRF fighters that were hastily pressed into service until night fighters were readied, but those didn't do much in "real life flying".
Night sux.
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Originally posted by simshell
true there is things like icons that make it much less real but there must be a line of real life and game play
Icons make it more realistic, not less. Our eyes aren't limited to 1600x1200 resolution.
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"Remember... 90 % of pilots killed were killed by the bogie they were unaware of.
Wolfala"
musta been some interesting interviews with all those dead guys.
night should only be allowed during the euro times... they are the ones who like to hide from each other anyway.
lazs
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The ONLY thing I like about night is when it`s over . It makes me want to skip flying when I log in and it`s nightime . Sometime my schedule doesn`t allow me to pick and choose . It`s a real aggrevation . If this is what you were going for ....you did it ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TD
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Remember... 90 % of pilots killed were killed by the bogie they were unaware of.
Wolf, this may be true but consider that those pilots were playing for keeps. We are playing for fun... the thrill, challenge.
Consider this: Sneaking up on a guy and killing him unaware is fun, but fighting a guy with the end in doubt, can be downright exhilarating. One really good fight is more memorable than 10 vulches. IMHO
I bet you have a better memory of a time(s) where you fought 3 guys, got 2 of them, then managed to slip away... maybe even got all 3.. than you do of sneaking up on some random guy and blasting his AFK butt outta the sky.
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staying awake the longest is considered part of the game and.... a "skill" by the AH strat guys.
lazs
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Get rid of Steve (http://479th.jasminemarie.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=16) :) ;) :p
I really dont see the big deal about the night
or the fact that people never fly anything but the big 5
Really? (http://www.innomi.com/ahkillstats/personalstats.php?player=murdr&sortby=killsin_sort)
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Originally posted by Steve
Mrblack, are you an idjit?
Night bombing missions.... like I said, the vast majority I spoke to don't enjoy things like night bombing missions.
Please refrain from posting in threads that you ar either not going to read or are unable to comprehend.
It's obvious you didn't read/understand my post. Please go away until you do.
LOL:D
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LOL AKAK I had forgotten about those articles. Thanks for the laugh. :)
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Originally posted by Steve
I bet you have a better memory of a time(s) where you fought 3 guys, got 2 of them, then managed to slip away... maybe even got all 3.. than you do of sneaking up on some random guy and blasting his AFK butt outta the sky.
i remember taking on 4 (or 5?) and shooting them all down in a Spit V on the deck, the last kill used up what little i had in .303's remaining.
I triumphantly RTB, touch down, and some fahg named 'WldThing' vulches me on the runway...
If you see this guy please let me know :D
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Originally posted by Steve
LOL AKAK I had forgotten about those articles. Thanks for the laugh. :)
There I changed my avatar so it is no longer the squad logo. Im tired of being insulted all the time being called AKAK.:) :p :D :rolleyes:
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I swore it said AKAK.. was I stoned?
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Originally posted by Steve
I swore it said AKAK.. was I stoned?
LOL :rofl
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Originally posted by Steve
I swore it said AKAK.. was I stoned?
Bogart! :þ
culero ;)
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Originally posted by Furball
i remember taking on 4 (or 5?) and shooting them all down in a Spit V on the deck, the last kill used up what little i had in .303's remaining.
I triumphantly RTB, touch down, and some fahg named 'WldThing' vulches me on the runway...
If you see this guy please let me know :D
LOL ... That was one of those moments in AH History that shall never be missed! :D :p
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a bunch of whinners. this best reprsents you
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_93_1058757859.jpg)
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You give alcohol to babies?! What a jerk.
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SOB, I think that is skull.
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Originally posted by Steve
It's pointless and adds no value to the game for the vast majority of the people I've heard comment about it.
Get rid of it... it's pointless.
There speaks a person who would deny some people the chance of something they enjoy a lot just because he does not like it.
If you try night combat properly, it is very good. It requires more effort and more skill.
Perhaps you;re just not up to it?
AH is a WW2 air combat simulator, and half of WW2 was at night, believe it or not. Now if you;re going to argue for half of the subject matter to be thrown away, let me argue that we should through away all US and Japanese planes. With UK, German, Italian and Russian planes we can do a fair job of simulating the European half of the war. heck, we can even use Lancs and Halifaxes as subs for B17s and B24s....
no? Sounds silly?
So does attempts to do away with night. What we REALLY need is for AH to model night PROPERLY.
And any of you kiddies that are scared of the dark can simply fly in another arena - thats what having multiple arenas are for, OK?
I bet that if it had been the UK did the daylight bombing campaign against Germany and the US that did the night raids, all the US gamers would be screaming for better simulation of the night game.
Esme
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Esme my friend. Night sucks, it's gamey ( with everyone that "enjoys" it turning up their gamma settings )
Those that don't are meat..
Any resemblence to real night fighting is silly.
LOOK AT MY ICON.
It's a logging device. Let the sun go down, the log begins..
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night is the best time to play AH guys. Take an f6f or lancs and go bombing
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Nopoop, m'dear, you have merely demonstrated how well you have missed the point. In AH as is, you can indeed do that. I said improve the night as simulated in AH, yes? As in the software gets tinkered with...
So it gets really dark (remember WB2 without the textures? People bawling that they couldnt see? And here's me not only bombing targets, but also grabbing a 110 and landing 2 of 3 sorties in it (the third I got shot down by a Wilde Sau 190). Hadnt occurred to me back then that folk might mess with tehir monitors, and when I tried it offline, in WB2 "2D" it didnt make much difference)) AND there's no icons. There's no NEED for icons at night. Program in nights that are not always moonlit (hell, in the current AH night, its just like daylight, but with the sky painted black - no NEED to mess with gamma to see properly!), have plenty of clouds, and kill the flippin icons at night. In a stroke, it'd make night air combat less prone to gamey behaviour. For ground combat, we'd need extra GVs so that people could distinguish friend from foe visually, if close enough (so, Sherman and T34, plus the German infantry halftrack, maybe).
Also, of course, I'm thinking about organised games, here, rather than the MA. If the MA crowd dont want night, it's no skin off my nose. But I want the option for full night in the CMs hands so that night combat games CAN at least be run. Always ADD to the game, guys - don't try to diminish it.
Me, I think you're just afraid of the dark, Nopoop... ;-P
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Esme
God grant me the ability to knife-fight in fighters half so well as Nopoop, and I'd be ten times better at it than I am today... :-)
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whats the point of night-time norden-bombing? cant fediddlein see targets anyhow, save towns/cities
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HT will not get rid of Nightime....he feels that more players like it than dislike it.
Case closed.
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Originally posted by Toad
WW2 night flying, other than highly inaccurate bombing raids, was a small part of the air war.
Additionally, we don't have "night fighters". We have a few of the day VRF fighters that were hastily pressed into service until night fighters were readied, but those didn't do much in "real life flying".
Night sux.
Erm... AH in no way models WW2. So I am told. Trying to think who it was who told me that...
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That is correct. It models WW2 style air combat. Well, at least it used to and before they changed the blurb on the game website, that was emphatically stated. The blurb changed about the time they overhauled the website entirely, IIRC.
Nonetheless, the "night" we have, given the planes we have, has nothing to do with either WW2 style night air combat or night aircombat in WW2 itself.
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Originally posted by bj229r
whats the point of night-time norden-bombing? cant fediddlein see targets anyhow, save towns/cities
And what did the RAF bomb at night? Hmmnn? Read the history of WW2?
As I;ve said, the POINT is so that organised games in it CAN be run for those who wish it. If you don't wish it, don;t play in it, simple as that! I'm quite happy for you to be furballing somehwere sunny whilst I play cat and mouse with the nightfighters over Birmingham or Cologne, m'dear.
And the bombsight we have in AH is NOT, repeat, emphatically NOT a simulation of a Norden bombsight. .. (mutter grumble...) ;-)
Let's have BETTER night simulation. :-)
Esme (the nit-picky, when it comes to bombsights) :-)
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There aren't any nightfighters in the game. How about we stop night until there are?
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Esme, good to see ya bouncing around. You still have the Amiga up and running ??
Took up the 'Richthofen' moniker over the hill for a trial. I think I'm the only one flying at this point in time.
Haven't flown a 190 in 2 years..
I am a student of the fur. I suck, but it sure is a blast. Lotta animals in the fur.
Without the fur over there, my time may be quite short. SA overload makes the juices flow.
Flying from a perch no longer fuels the fire.
The lady of 'Richthofen"
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Originally posted by Toad
There aren't any nightfighters in the game. How about we stop night until there are?
Because despite the best efforts of some people, or groups of people in this game, we still have bombers. And bombing was done at night.
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By the RAF. Against specifically designed/modified night fighters.
We've got the Lanc, an actual RAF night bomber and no nightfighters.
Pretty pointless right now, IMO. Certainly not worthy of a minute of US Prime Time. Like it or not that's when the majority plays.
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Erm... there were B17 night bombing raids of German targets. Probably not much call for bombers operated from the continental US.
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Yeah. However, the predominant US heavy bombing strategy was daytime bombing.
And your tidbit still doesn't address the total lack of nightfighters in the AH hangar.
We won't even go into how bogus a "night" we really have in AH, although it's been alluded to in this thread.
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Originally posted by lazs2
staying awake the longest is considered part of the game and.... a "skill" by the AH strat guys.
lazs
It's really only considered a "skill" among those of advancing age, but I agree, night sucks.
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wtg EsmeNhaMaire i agree with you
i think if you wanted to make night fighters useful this is how to do it
turn down icons to 3k on the day fighters
and the nightfighters get 6k
but if you realy wanted to have fun put a real life like ww2 radar in the cockpit showing the radar bands and everthing
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It serves little purpose except to annoy the majority of the folks in the MA... get rid of it.
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Well all you have to do is turn up your Gamma.
kinda defeets its purpose dont ir.
Steve is right boot it.
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Night is still a nice change of pace. Keep it!
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Night is ok, the hours around midnight give more moonlight, instead of those just before dawn and just after dusk.
The orange stuff makes your eyes swim.
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Originally posted by Toad
WW2 night flying, other than highly inaccurate bombing raids, was a small part of the air war.
Additionally, we don't have "night fighters". We have a few of the day VRF fighters that were hastily pressed into service until night fighters were readied, but those didn't do much in "real life flying".
Night sux.
What do u think the 110 was avtually for? "night fighter" hello anybody home?
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Why cant we post missions at night?
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I enjoy the Night,,however...
A couple less night cycles per day or shorter period of Night would be welcome
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Originally posted by Steve
Mrblack, are you an idjit?
Night bombing missions.... like I said, the vast majority I spoke to don't enjoy things like night bombing missions.
But clearly a minority do, and maybe that's why it's night for the minority of time in the MA - to give that minority what they want for their $14.95. :) Give and take. Try thinking about someone other than yourself next time nightfall arrives.
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Sooo... it's settled then.. we should have nite only during euro prime time.
lazs
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all those in favor of having night ...at night say aye!
AYE!!:aok
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Night Sux. Night on Big Isles is double Suxxage.
Ended our squad nite; there's always America's Army. With all its faults it's still 2000% better than night on BI.
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Try thinking about someone other than yourself next time nightfall arrives.
Ummm no. I log on for for entertainment for myself, no one else.
Beet, try thinking of someone else before shooting the next guy down. Maybe he would have more fun if you let him kill you.
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hehe - this post only went away for 3 months before getting kicked back up....lol
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
hehe - this post only went away for 3 months before getting kicked back up....lol
if the shoe fits ...
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Originally posted by Steve
Ummm no. I log on for for entertainment for myself, no one else.
Real sig material, Steve. So you're saying you don't give a ***** what anyone else wants, as long as you get you want. To hell with everyone else, right? I might just be able to accommodate your attitude, but for the fact that you're not the only one that pays a monthly $14.95 subscription.
In all the years I've been on these flightsim boards, what you said was by far the most selfish statement I've ever read.
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Beet's right, Steve. You should log on and fly for someone else's enjoyment.
So just up in a gooney and fly around all night so other folks can get some easy kills.
I'm sure that once he sees your example, Beet himself will follow his own advice and join you.
;)
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Mr. Toad - I've got a dance for you. It's called the Twist.
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In the last 2 weeks I managed to login 7 times during dusk or at night. Pain, anger, hurt… :mad:
In the context that there is no “time” measured in the game –why bother to have it?
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Go ahead and dance then Beet. It'll just be one more feature of your act.
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Fly what you like. Like what you fly. Don't worry about what the other guy flies. It's a game.
Sage advice that applies to the current situation.
:rolleyes:
Fly when you like. Like when you fly... ...'nuff said.
If night doesn't tickle your fancy don't fly after sundown. :D
It doesn't even last long enough to worry about it.
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I thought it was HTC's job to try and make the game more enjoyable for everyone. Nobody is sending me cash, so I'm with Steve in not really giving a crap about the enjoyment of others when it conflicts with my own. I'll root for stuff I like, they'll do the same, and HTC will decide.
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Originally posted by moot
Night is ok, the hours around midnight give more moonlight, instead of those just before dawn and just after dusk.
That would be all well and good, Moot, except that the lighting model is completely screwed up at night. The simple way to prove it is to wait until night, when the moon is fully above the horizon, then fly directly at the moon and notice how brightly the moon illuminates your instrument panel... that is facing away from the moon. At night, everything's lit up on the wrong side.
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Real sig material, Steve. So you're saying you don't give a ***** what anyone else wants, as long as you get you want. To hell with everyone else, right? I might just be able to accommodate your attitude, but for the fact that you're not the only one that pays a monthly $14.95 subscription.
Well, what's holding you back? Put it in your sig. What I'm saying is exactly what I typed.. do I need to type it again?
I don't pay $14.95/ month so someone else can have fun. I pay it so I can have fun. Beet1e, generally it's more fun to shoot down a guy than to get shot down. If you're truly concerned for other's enjoyment of this game, you will stop shooting people down and let them kill you.
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Nighttime is when I get bravest in a 262 to do a little bomber hunting.
Of course if everybody used nighttime to bomb run then the complaint would be, "waaaah, everybody porks bases at night, can't do anything when the sun comes up."
Yeah, I don't dig it either, usually use the night time to go kick the dog or talk to the wife.
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Originally posted by Steve
Well, what's holding you back? Put it in your sig. What I'm saying is exactly what I typed.. do I need to type it again?
I don't pay $14.95/ month so someone else can have fun. I pay it so I can have fun. Beet1e, generally it's more fun to shoot down a guy than to get shot down. If you're truly concerned for other's enjoyment of this game, you will stop shooting people down and let them kill you.
That's got nothing to do with it. Both you and Mr. Toad are being obtuse, and you know it. It's not about who gets shot down; we're dealing with environmental factors - a bit like maps. Oops - sore point. ;)
Let's see what happens. If HTC agrees with you, night will be withdrawn. If they agree with me, things will remain unchanged.
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No, you're being obtuse, and your normal obstinate self when faced w/ a point you cannot defeat because of your inability to concede said point.
I don't log on for anyone's entertainment but my own, do you?
If you do, I'd like you to entertain me, Toad too. I'd like you to up c47's so we can vulch you until we run out of ammo in our Chog's. While you're doing this I'd like you to type the following in Caps w/ each kill: "STEVE IS MY MASTER, I BOW TO HIS SUPERIOR WIT AND WISDOM."
Edit: Toad, would you like him to type something for you too?
Bee1e, if you are unwilling to do this, you are selfish!
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Night again.... night sux.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Let's see what happens. If HTC agrees with you, night will be withdrawn. If they agree with me, things will remain unchanged.
Well Steve... looks like you got your answer. :p:D
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night is ok...
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bite me, poofter. :D
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Steve - what will be the next in your series of "SUX" threads? We've had "Pizza Sux", "Collision Code Sux", "Night Sux"... seems like everything sux - except yourself...
...which reminds me of the military passing out parade where one of the mothers observed that her son Johnny was the only one marching in step!
Cheers -
E.P.
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seems like everything sux - except yourself...
ahhh... nope...
Sometimes I sux too.
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Originally posted by Steve
ahhh... nope...
Sometimes I sux too.
too much info ;)
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I for one like fighting at night--gives an added element of surprise.
Keep the night!
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Originally posted by jameswilsongt
I for one like fighting at night--gives an added element of surprise.
Keep the night!
How? Is dar or icon down at night?
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For me, night is mainly an inconvience (one that I could happily do without :)).
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nite is fine. those who complain lack.
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guess whats happening in MA now? :lol
/me awaits the whines
"dam dark spoiled primetime again"
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ok, it seems these whiners have won, the sun nearly set, then came back up again...now MA has no dark...wtg :(
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Let's see what happens. If HTC agrees with you, night will be withdrawn. If they agree with me, things will remain unchanged.
Hey Beetle.. full dark has been withdrawn and only dawn/dusk remains.
Well Steve... looks like you got your answer
Yup, I sure did.
See this thread Beet1e.. yeah baby!!!!
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=111695
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sigh :(
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overlag... looks like you are doing the "whining" now eh?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
overlag... looks like you are doing the "whining" now eh?
lazs
yup.....;)
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I just decided it was time to put the whine on the other side of the fence.
HiTech
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Nightitme is a good thing... would love to see MORE of it... not to the full extent of 1/3 of the time (as in realife). BUT, I would like to see mission work at night, but you can always get all your buddies together and launch a mission without the planner.
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Originally posted by hitech
I just decided it was time to put the whine on the other side of the fence.
HiTech
LOL! I knew there was a reason I liked you.
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LOL Hitech..... darned funny.
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Originally posted by hitech
I just decided it was time to put the whine on the other side of the fence.
HiTech
sigh... why not remove all variability from the game? jesus an hour a day of dark... big deal :rolleyes:
Maybe we should make some threads about how we hate LA7's, Niks etc will they get removed too? :rolleyes:
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NAY!
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Wrong thread Cumb... lol
How many beers?
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Originally posted by Steve
It serves little purpose except to annoy the majority of the folks in the MA... get rid of it.
I love the way people claim the false "majority" when voicing an opinion.
Majority of who? the people you know? As with the maps. the "majority" of people I know may feel differently then your Majority.
Fact of the matter is. the True "Majority" of people dont say anything one way or the other.
They just shut up and play.
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Boy, I haven't flown actively in a year and the same whines keep coming back :rolleyes:
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Dred The vast majority of the people I've spoken to dislike night in the MA. There, feel better?
How the hell do you know I claimed a false majority?
They just shut up and play.
Too bad you're not one of them
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NAY!
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Hitech is better than doctor Mengele :D
To get night back, the people who dissed the anti-night whiners will have to whine hard.
I think we're misled, AH is not the reason HTC exists. They're doing some large scale psychological experiment on us. (I'm not gonna crack, I'm not gonna crack...)
I bet Lazs, beet1e, Steve and Toad are paid by HTC to be dynamic influences on the boards.
(I'm not gonna crack, I'm not gonna crack...)
HAHAHAHA, I've seen through the masquerade!
(I'm working overtime on a nightshift right now..........
......It has enabled me to see more clearly)
HAH! sleep is for the puppets.
ZZZzzzzzzZZZZzzzzz