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Title: Harvard, SBD
Post by: artik on December 20, 2003, 10:25:42 AM

I have a question: Is Harvard a type of SBD?

If it is, What is the difference between Harvard Mk II and SBD-5?

Thanks

Title: Harvard, SBD
Post by: Wmaker on December 20, 2003, 10:37:25 AM

No it isn't. :)

Dauntless was produced by Douglas and T-6 by North American.

Title: Harvard, SBD
Post by: Maverick on December 20, 2003, 10:50:16 AM

Nope not the same critter at all.

The SBD was designed as adove bombing attack plane from the start. The Harvard was designed as a trainer.

Title: Harvard, SBD
Post by: artik on December 20, 2003, 11:18:02 AM

But did they have same base on their design or not?

They look quite close to each other, even I know that Harvard was mostly training plane but also had some operational action.

The question is if the have same prototype or same base design?

Title: Harvard, SBD
Post by: brady on December 20, 2003, 11:37:44 AM

It would be close enough for what your thinking of using it for, the SBD is far more capable than the Harvard in the role it would be used for but realy given the context of the entire plane set it's surviabality will be about as bad as the Harvards would be.

Title: Re: Harvard, SBD
Post by: HoHun on December 20, 2003, 12:24:30 PM

Hi Artik,

>I have a question: Is Harvard a type of SBD?

No.

The "Harvard" was built by North American. Its Navy designation was SNJ, its Army designation was AT-6.

The SBD "Dauntless" was built by Douglas. Its Navy designation (obviously :-) was SBD, its Army designation was A-24.

SBJ was the Navy designation for the North American B-25 "Mitchell", so despite its similarity this designation addressed a very different aircraft.

Vultee, on the other hand, did indeed try to establish trainer and combat aircraft as different versions of the same basic airframe. These were the P-66 "Vanguard" fighter (144 produced), the BC-3 armed trainer (1 prototype) and the BT-13 "Valiant" trainer (produced by the thousands).

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

Title: Re: Re: Harvard, SBD
Post by: HoHun on December 20, 2003, 12:44:49 PM

Hi again,

>SBJ was the Navy designation for the North American B-25 "Mitchell", so despite its similarity this designation addressed a very different aircraft.

What was I thinking? The Mitchell is the PBJ!

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

Title: Harvard, SBD
Post by: Widewing on December 20, 2003, 07:17:55 PM

These two types have nothing in common. The SBD was developed from the Northrop BT-1 (Northrop had become a division of Douglas). North American developed the NA-16 privately in 1935. The USN bought it and designated the aircraft the NJ-1. It would evolve into the SNJ and AT-6.

My regards,

Widewing