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Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: Happy1 on December 21, 2003, 04:11:21 AM: Greetings :D

Would any1 be having FILMS on the execution of Reversal, ie..Split
turns, etc in order to evade the nme on ur 6. I know... I know..
u shouldn't present ur 6 to the nme, but it happens to me a lot, try as I may to avoid it.

Prolly because I MERGE incorrectly & loose an experienced pilot in
my views :(

Thx 4 ur assistance in this endeavor, I've read Drex's article, pro-
vided by Hooligan re Reversals, but m still unable to reverse suc-
cessfully against a wily nme :mad:

Happy1 :D
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: Flyboy on December 21, 2003, 05:45:59 AM: i like "baiting" an enemy with giving him my 6 so he will loose his E for a shot.

ill try to remember turning on my recorder next time :)
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: sax on December 21, 2003, 08:53:39 AM: Go to the BK's website. Nopoop has some with Drex and Leviathon that will help you.www.theblueknights.com (http://www.theblueknights.com)
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: bozon on December 21, 2003, 10:27:37 AM: not half as good as drex's or leviathn's films:
http://fire.prohosting.com/bozon/

Bozon
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: Happy1 on December 22, 2003, 03:06:44 PM: To the respondees of my request I thank u 4 providing the requested info to me, especially to bozon for the wealth of info provided, I'm grateful :p

Happy1 :D
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: WldThing on December 22, 2003, 08:07:39 PM: I posted this in the General Forum about a few days ago Happy, but i will repost it here for yas.. Enjoy!

http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~kkant/film137.ahf
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: Happy1 on December 23, 2003, 10:47:14 AM: Thx WldThing :p

Appreciate ur posting the film as I ALWAYS enjoy & learn from ur movies, apologize 4 the delay in replying as I've been hampered by
Power Outage, storms & earthquakes, thusly making my compu- ter usage a very IFFY affair :) line static.

Happy1 :D
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: TweetyBird on December 23, 2003, 11:10:39 PM: Hey WT,

I looked at that film, and I gota say its truly amazing.
Thats years and years of experience.
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: Ecliptik on December 24, 2003, 01:54:55 AM: When it comes to defensive tactics, just watch some of Drex's films. I learned from them that, often, if your enemy isn't under your gunsight, the next best place for him to be is coming in fast on your six.
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: Herbie on December 27, 2003, 12:36:29 AM: I have to say nice film Wldthing! <>
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: WldThing on December 27, 2003, 10:24:08 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Herbie
I have to say nice film Wldthing! <>

~~TY Guys =S=~~
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: Sway on December 27, 2003, 11:50:24 AM: I've got some film for you Wldthing. ;)
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: Happy1 on December 27, 2003, 02:08:07 PM: Post it Sway...post it here for ALL to enjoy :aok

Happy1 :D
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: Marco50 on December 27, 2003, 05:04:14 PM: Yes, Yes ,Yes :cool: np:)
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: TheManx on December 28, 2003, 12:51:51 AM: Best reversal I know of is a slow right turn until the con gets about 1000 out, then a hard left turn then full right rudder and a notch or two of flaps into a barrel roll. You're either dead or behind your opponent in no time flat.
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: Sway on December 28, 2003, 01:41:08 AM: Had some good duels with Wldthing on film, but its all on fried computer. Its a good matchup. :D
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: Cooley on December 28, 2003, 02:40:43 AM: Page #67 Shaw's book i believe :cool:
"Fighter Combat" required reading if really into this kinda thing

My Fav ACM,,, too bad my gunnery sucks,
old man gets a bit jittery takin shots like that when they right there after overshoot
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: WldThing on December 28, 2003, 02:46:03 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Sway
Had some good duels with Wldthing on film, but its all on fried computer. Its a good matchup. :D

*cough*
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: B17Skull12 on December 28, 2003, 03:08:05 PM: WT is your avatar P51 aces?
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: Marco50 on December 28, 2003, 10:28:48 PM: So True~ .........:lol Hehehe Manx!!!

Hey Skull12 :)
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: WldThing on December 28, 2003, 10:40:20 PM: Quote
Originally posted by B17Skull12
WT is your avatar P51 aces?

Yes Sir.
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: B17Skull12 on December 28, 2003, 10:42:34 PM: ~~btw good read for reversals this thread is.~~
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: Sway on December 29, 2003, 12:01:59 AM: Come cough in H2h Pal ;) Im poor :D
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: WldThing on December 29, 2003, 12:25:41 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Sway
Come cough in H2h Pal ;) Im poor :D

Nah.. I might get a cold ;) Plus these days dont have much time for even the online world.
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: Estes on December 29, 2003, 12:43:54 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Sway
I've got some film for you Wldthing. ;)

I dunno if I would wanna see those.. Sounds kinda..

gay. :)
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: Sway on December 29, 2003, 02:16:51 AM: Nah, made sure i saved those on a disc. Loaded them on new computer a week ago. ;)
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: nopoop on December 30, 2003, 12:31:30 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Cooley
too bad my gunnery sucks, old man gets a bit jittery takin shots like that when they right there after overshoot

You and me both, I'll get the reverse and then the "yips" start...
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: Marco50 on December 30, 2003, 02:06:46 PM: Yes......I Feel the Same :)
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: Cobra412 on December 31, 2003, 08:47:17 PM: Shaking someone on my six is typically pretty hard depending on what the attacker is flying. Snap rolls tend to work very well on aircraft with alot of energy. Thats a matter of timing the roll properly cause if you don't your toast.

One of the maneuvers I've found works best on an aircraft with slightly more energy and less turning ability is as follows. Most tend to come in on me in a lead pursuit position. That makes the maneuver even more effective. Especially against aircraft with nose mounted weapons. I'll allow them to keep there lead turn fairly steady as they approach. During this time I'm gently pulling back the stick in the bank and loading them up. Don't wanna do to much during the bank or else they'll predict whats next. Once they're within around 500 or less I pull harder into the turn and adjust slightly nose up to spoil deflection solution, bring the the aircraft to roll wings level then into the vertical climb. After a second or so I go inverted reaquire the target and complete a barrell roll back down onto there six. Also during this period I'm adjusting my throttle back slightly during closure, full on in the vertical then chopped back while inverted and reaquiring the target.

Don't try this one against a turner unless your positive of there energy state and deceleration capabilities. If not they'll saddle up or you'll even possibly be in scissors fight.
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: Cooley on January 01, 2004, 02:24:54 AM: ^ Once again the defensive lag displacement roll, sweet move
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: Marco50 on January 01, 2004, 09:50:29 AM: Agree.........:aok
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: Shuckins on January 01, 2004, 12:49:50 PM: Can anybody post diagrams? Films are great...but are sometimes the moves are hard to follow.

Regards, Shuckins
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: Cobra412 on January 01, 2004, 02:29:46 PM: Shuckins if your really interested in learning tactics and maneuvering I'd suggest you get some books on it. There are many out there that don't cost much and give alot of great insight on the subject.

I've learned to fly just by trial and error. Every month I've gotten better and better. I'm not sure how long you've flown flight sims but for myself I've only been flying for about 6 months now. It'll take time to get better and learning the basic maneuvers is your best bet. From there you'll still have to train and/or put your feet to the fire to learn how to use what you've learned. No engagement is ever the same. With this being a big factor in how and when you fight it will only be learned over time.

I'd give some studies on what plane you plan on flying or better yet what your current tendencies are when flying. That will give you a better foundation to know what type of tactics and plane you should start flying. I wouldn't start out with a extremely difficult aircraft right off the bat. Once you've found a suitable aircraft then look to see what it's pros and cons are and fly it accordingly. Most peoples mistakes are flying the aircraft out of it's envelope to the point of a catastrophic mistake. Mistakes aren't always bad as they are a learning tool for your next engagement but too many can cause frustration.

Here's a few books I'd recommend for Tactics and ACM.

Fighter Combat: Tactics and Maneuvering By: Robert L. Shaw
Allied Fighter Aces of WWII By: Mike Spick
Luftwaffe Fighter Aces By: Mike Spick

There are a few other out there that are good for what we do on AH. One of them has slipped my mind but when I rememeber it I'll post it here. Hope this helps some. Oh and you can find these books at Amazon.com.
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: Shane on January 01, 2004, 04:50:07 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Shuckins
Can anybody post diagrams? Films are great...but are sometimes the moves are hard to follow.

Regards, Shuckins

watch the films with ahfilm.exe not the "film" button on the splash screen... it's a better, more powerful viewer.

enable trails and external/pan and you'll get a better idea.
Title: Defensive Moves-Reversals
Post by: TweetyBird on June 09, 2004, 06:07:06 PM
Title: Etch.....
Post by: TequilaChaser on June 10, 2004, 11:10:55 AM: I tryed to DL the film Etch, it isn't hosted there anymore.