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Title: So WHY is the sun going down PRIMETIME ???
Post by: nopoop on December 23, 2003, 08:54:31 PM
It's a game killer.

..a game killer.



I got my balls busted at work.

I got my balls busted shopping.

Hook up with a squadie that I hadn't seen all week in the fur..

I fly ONE SORTIE..

AND IT GETS FUGGIN DARK !!

So much for AH tonight.

IT'S A GAME KILLER !!

And that ain't no chit..

..it's a game killer

I_DON'T_HAVE_ENOUGH_TIME_LEFT_IN_THE_DAY
TO_WAIT_FOR_THE_SUN_TO_COME_U P..

Cya after Christmas.

If it's fuggin light out..

..and my world's time allows

[/soapbox]

History channel awaits for cripes sakes...

Oh I really wanted to watch the tube..
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Post by: SOB on December 23, 2003, 08:59:35 PM
Nah, it's fun.
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Post by: Steve on December 23, 2003, 10:36:41 PM
NIGHT SUX
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Post by: Toad on December 23, 2003, 10:44:58 PM
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Originally posted by Steve
NIGHT SUX


Agreed.

Maybe if 1000 different guys post this repetitively we'll get some action.

Maybe.
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Post by: SOB on December 23, 2003, 11:04:36 PM
Yeah, you should also hold your breath until you turn blue...and I bet if you throw a tantrum it might help too!
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Post by: Toad on December 23, 2003, 11:06:48 PM
Hey, it's how things get done around here.

How do you think we got night in the first place?  ;)
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Post by: TweetyBird on December 23, 2003, 11:22:11 PM
Just curious, what type of video card do you have? The reason I ask, is with my old machine, I couldn't see ANYTHING at night except the stars and the moon. With the new machine, night is no big deal as the ground appears lit up by stadium lights. You can't see dots far off, but theres no danger of losing orientation as was the case with the old machine when the ground just looked black,and forget about seeing a runway or mountain. With the new card, the only difference is seeing bogies a little later( i.e., con range).
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Post by: SOB on December 23, 2003, 11:47:01 PM
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Originally posted by Toad
Hey, it's how things get done around here.

How do you think we got night in the first place?  ;)

Well, I remember that some griping got it back, but it didn't take much.  'Course, as I recall it was put back in fairly quickly so the overtly whiney night lovers didn't have the opportunity to drag out the dead horse for a daily beating.

What I don't understand is how you could NOT like a fight on the deck in the dark.  It's just fun and, well, different.  But, if you are a heathon lacking in the sophisticated taste that is required to enjoy the nighttime, you just won't get it. :p
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Post by: Pongo on December 24, 2003, 12:47:35 AM
If they dont stop prime time night. I will kill SOB.
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Post by: B17Skull12 on December 24, 2003, 12:48:26 AM
again?  Does the broken record ever stop?
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Post by: SOB on December 24, 2003, 12:55:31 AM
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Originally posted by Pongo
If they dont stop prime time night. I will kill SOB.

LOL, I think you might want to come up with a more compelling argument than that. :)
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Post by: Mini D on December 24, 2003, 12:57:20 AM
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Originally posted by Pongo
If they dont stop prime time night. I will kill SOB.
Let me know when you're going to do this and I'll give him his last meal.

MiniD
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Post by: Flossy on December 24, 2003, 02:13:16 AM
So.... what time is "prime time"?  With at least 4 timezones in the US (not to mention all the timezones in the rest of the world!) that makes US prime time cover quite a period of time.  For arguments sake, say "prime time" starts at 2000 Eastern (1700 Pacific) and ends at 0100 Pacific (0400 Eastern) - that's a spread of 8 hours altogether.  With AH days only lasting 13 hours, that means a high probability of night-time occurring at some time during those 8 hours.  Even if it doesn't happen during those 8 hours, it probably means those of us in the UK/Europe area get the night-time instead during our "prime time" hours!  So quit whining!  :p
Title: Re: So WHY is the sun going down PRIMETIME ???
Post by: Sox62 on December 24, 2003, 02:53:20 AM
Quote
Originally posted by nopoop
IT'S A GAME KILLER !!

And that ain't no chit..

..it's a game killer



Agreed.:aok
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Post by: Tilt on December 24, 2003, 03:19:00 AM
MA clock has a 13 hour clock. Dusk starts at 18:00 its full night at 18:30 and the clock then jumps to begin dawn at 05:30. Then we get a full day.

As its a 13 hour clock (and not a 12hour one) the period of night moves on by 1 hour each half day of real time. It therefore takes approx 6 days to go thru a full cycle.

This cycle will rarely be completed between weekly resets.

If your "prime time" is approx 2 hours long then the chances are that you will suffer/enjoy night 2 times in a 6 day cycle or at worst/best 2 times a weekly reset. (assuming you play every day). Thats 1 hour (2 x 30mins of night) out of every 13 hours of play.

If you suffer/enjoy night more than this then its because your unlucky enough to log on at those differring times that coincide with the shifting night time period.
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Post by: Curval on December 24, 2003, 05:59:53 AM
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
Just curious, what type of video card do you have? The reason I ask, is with my old machine, I couldn't see ANYTHING at night except the stars and the moon. With the new machine, night is no big deal as the ground appears lit up by stadium lights. You can't see dots far off, but theres no danger of losing orientation as was the case with the old machine when the ground just looked black,and forget about seeing a runway or mountain. With the new card, the only difference is seeing bogies a little later( i.e., con range).


Different "gamma" settings on the two cards would be my guess.
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Post by: Tdawg1321 on December 24, 2003, 06:18:30 AM
I dont see what the difference is considering everybody just cheats and turns their gamma settings all the way up on their machines.  I for one wont do it and that leaves me helpless bait to the 99% of players who do.  I say either find a way to make gamma cheat useless or get rid of night.
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Post by: Gloves on December 24, 2003, 08:36:56 AM
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Originally posted by Tdawg1321
I dont see what the difference is considering everybody just cheats and turns their gamma settings all the way up on their machines.  I for one wont do it and that leaves me helpless bait to the 99% of players who do.  I say either find a way to make gamma cheat useless or get rid of night.


Not everybody messes with the gamma.  I have found if I turn my lights out in my computer room, I can see just fine.  :p

The downside is that I can't see my keyboard.  :D



Oh, and nopoop, this is for you (ducking & running now)   :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :lol



Glove
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Post by: Murdr on December 24, 2003, 08:45:14 AM
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Originally posted by Gloves
Not everybody messes with the gamma.  I have found if I turn my lights out in my computer room, I can see just fine.  :p

The downside is that I can't see my keyboard.  :D


:aok What glove said.
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Post by: LePaul on December 24, 2003, 08:57:48 AM
Night is the safest time for Lancs...period!
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Post by: TweetyBird on December 24, 2003, 09:42:48 AM
Well I haven't messed with any gamma controls. It stays exactly as its set for all aplications, and exactly as its set for daytime flying. I'm wondering if it has something to do with the LCD monitor.
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Post by: Halo on December 24, 2003, 09:43:50 AM
Excellent explanation, Tilt.
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Post by: lazs2 on December 24, 2003, 10:09:32 AM
I vote that we have it only during prime time for europeans...  those guys don't do anything anyway.

lazs
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Post by: B17Skull12 on December 24, 2003, 11:21:24 AM
my magic ball predicts at least 3 night whines threads next week.
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Post by: Toad on December 24, 2003, 11:24:41 AM
Why not one US, one Euro and one Pac Rim Prime Time Night per week? Make it a regularly scheduled event and make night last for hours and hours.

Perhaps, say Tuesday night is "NIGHT IN THE MA" for the US Prime Time, 1700 Eastern until 0300 Eastern. That way those that really, really enjoy night can have a bellyfull of it and those that don't can just skip playing the MA on Tuesday night?

Then one for Euro time and one for PacRim time and that'd be the total end of it for the week.

:lol
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Post by: Steve on December 24, 2003, 03:03:20 PM
Magic Ball Bskull?  Impossible... you don't have any balls.



:rofl
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Post by: B17Skull12 on December 24, 2003, 03:08:27 PM
(cricket)
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Post by: Tumor on December 25, 2003, 09:53:41 AM
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Originally posted by nopoop
So WHY is the sun going down PRIMETIME ???  


Easy... HTC is doing it's best to keep MA numbers down.
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Post by: NoBaddy on December 25, 2003, 10:14:47 AM
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Originally posted by Tdawg1321
I dont see what the difference is considering everybody just cheats and turns their gamma settings all the way up on their machines.  I for one wont do it and that leaves me helpless bait to the 99% of players who do.  I say either find a way to make gamma cheat useless or get rid of night.


It ain't a 'cheat' if that is what the game designer intended for you to do. It is....ask him :).
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Post by: Tilt on December 25, 2003, 03:19:03 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Tdawg1321
I dont see what the difference is considering everybody just cheats and turns their gamma settings all the way up on their machines.  I for one wont do it and that leaves me helpless bait to the 99% of players who do.  I say either find a way to make gamma cheat useless or get rid of night.



AH2 presently has a clip board  gamma slider so every player can set it to suit his/her vid card / monitor set up.
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Post by: bj229r on December 25, 2003, 07:17:53 PM
after the inconsistent gv modeiling, nighttime the biggest pain in the arse here--i always log whilst it goin on
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Post by: beet1e on December 29, 2003, 02:59:45 AM
I don't know the full history of this issue, but didn't HTC take night out and then had to put it back, in response to threats of account cancellations etc.? If that's true, then it sounds to me that HTC are fully aware that posters to this BBS do not form  a representative of its customer base. And no amount of BBS whining will make night go away.
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Post by: Steve on December 29, 2003, 03:20:13 AM
Ahh but take a sampling Beet1e.. you'll find it does for a representative of the customer base,   I did.
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Post by: beet1e on December 29, 2003, 03:36:36 AM
Steve,

Sampling is not the way to do it, and will prove nothing. You'd be trying to arrive at positive conclusions by means of extrapolation.
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Post by: lord dolf vader on December 29, 2003, 06:48:08 AM
this must be at least the 40 thread with almost nothing but complaints and questions as to why.

they dont answer and dont seem to care about how that makes you feel. get over it its their game. hope they get a decent competitor so they will stop it.


what happend to the il2 online persistant thing?
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Post by: Toad on December 29, 2003, 08:52:47 AM
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Originally posted by beet1e
in response to threats of account cancellations etc.? If that's true,  


Yes, that was pretty much the case. Then, those that cried for night quit anyway over something else. Like the fur lined relief tube cup in the MasterBlaster 2000Fi wasn't modeled correctly.

They're gone but we're still stuck with night.
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Post by: Rude on December 29, 2003, 11:53:06 AM
I find nightime rather peaceful, allowing for introspection, meditation.
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Post by: Scatcat on December 30, 2003, 01:43:07 PM
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Originally posted by Toad
Yes, that was pretty much the case. Then, those that cried for night quit anyway over something else. Like the fur lined relief tube cup in the MasterBlaster 2000Fi wasn't modeled correctly.

They're gone but we're still stuck with night.


I'm still here.
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Post by: FUNKED1 on December 30, 2003, 02:17:04 PM
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Originally posted by nopoop
So WHY is the sun going down PRIMETIME ???

Maybe they are trying to encourage energy conservation?  Think of all the kilowatt-hours saved by all those computers shutting down.
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Post by: Steve on December 30, 2003, 02:18:21 PM
I was going to contibute a post of substance, but I have to poop.

Goodbye
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Post by: nopoop on December 30, 2003, 02:53:39 PM
Naw you don't Steve.

Look at your shoe !!

I'm proud of that one.

See how the end points up a bit ??

One of my better efforts..

Ah jeez, I'm over the edge..losing it..

Somebody slap me.
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Post by: A_Clown on December 30, 2003, 03:25:54 PM
nite in the MA is great time-
-to run to store for another 12pak
-to play slap & tickle with the Ms.
-to change spark plugs in the hot rod
-to organize tackle box
-read the BBS & make a post about HOW MUCH OF A KILLJOY NITE in the MA IS!

A_Clown
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Post by: Steve on December 30, 2003, 05:24:31 PM
Awww Geez  nopoop.. that was my favorite pair of shoes.... wait a tick... nice formation... can ya duplicate it on the other shoe?
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Post by: nopoop on December 30, 2003, 05:43:29 PM
Steve, it got out of hand..

After rereading what I posted I headed off to the store for cheap beer. I have a short fuse, and I probably shouldn't have gone.

Sure enough there's some old lady blockin the isle to the cheap beer. After a few comments about getting her fat soggy butt outta the way of my cheap beer it got ugly..

She handled herself pretty well, I was hold'n my own but then damn the checkers got involved..

..and she let go with a half gallon of wine..
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Post by: lazs2 on December 31, 2003, 08:06:31 AM
scatcat... did you threaten to cancel if nite wasn't brought back?

really?

lazs
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Post by: Pongo on December 31, 2003, 09:15:37 PM
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Originally posted by Toad
Yes, that was pretty much the case. Then, those that cried for night quit anyway over something else. Like the fur lined relief tube cup in the MasterBlaster 2000Fi wasn't modeled correctly.

They're gone but we're still stuck with night.


happy new year Toad..I love ya man..lol
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Post by: Pongo on December 31, 2003, 09:19:40 PM
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Originally posted by Tilt
MA clock has a 13 hour clock. Dusk starts at 18:00 its full night at 18:30 and the clock then jumps to begin dawn at 05:30. Then we get a full day.

As its a 13 hour clock (and not a 12hour one) the period of night moves on by 1 hour each half day of real time. It therefore takes approx 6 days to go thru a full cycle.

This cycle will rarely be completed between weekly resets.

If your "prime time" is approx 2 hours long then the chances are that you will suffer/enjoy night 2 times in a 6 day cycle or at worst/best 2 times a weekly reset. (assuming you play every day). Thats 1 hour (2 x 30mins of night) out of every 13 hours of play.

If you suffer/enjoy night more than this then its because your unlucky enough to log on at those differring times that coincide with the shifting night time period.


someone has fed you a line of bull.

here is the actual code from AH.

If LoggedIn(Pongo).playtime > 10 then StartStupidNight(Now)  {playtime in seconds}   HT-2000/04/15
Title: So WHY is the sun going down PRIMETIME ???
Post by: SOB on January 01, 2004, 02:43:17 AM
LOL, and god bless HT for that one! :p
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Post by: Yeager on January 01, 2004, 03:20:03 AM
I never could figure out why htc bothered with modeling night in a game where in reality night meant no fighting.  Unless of course you buy into the concept that at some point "down the road" some sort of meaningful night combat purpose would be added to "the game".

But that was a few years ago.  No P61...no viable night fighter...no searchlights...absolutely nothing but.....oh yeah...AH2

Almost forgot about that one  ;)
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Post by: Tilt on January 01, 2004, 08:14:55 AM
Another conspiracy unearthed..............

Pongo's curse............

may he never know the light..............:p
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Post by: lord dolf vader on January 01, 2004, 10:10:29 AM
anyone post to find out if ah2 is gonna have inexplicable darkness?
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Post by: Yippee38 on January 01, 2004, 11:17:50 AM
Night rocks.  It only sucks for the BnZ crowd.
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Post by: 1K0N on January 05, 2004, 08:54:58 PM
If LoggedIn(IKON).playtime > 9 and < 10 then StartStupidNight(Now) {playtime in seconds} (IKON) goto sanyo37" > StartIdiotBox(Now)
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Post by: Rude on January 06, 2004, 09:42:40 AM
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Originally posted by lazs2
I vote that we have it only during prime time for europeans...  those guys don't do anything anyway.

lazs


Just another reason why I like you....that's funny.
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Post by: Rude on January 06, 2004, 09:47:15 AM
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Originally posted by Pongo
someone has fed you a line of bull.

here is the actual code from AH.

If LoggedIn(Pongo).playtime > 10 then StartStupidNight(Now)  {playtime in seconds}   HT-2000/04/15


How true
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Post by: Rude on January 06, 2004, 09:49:42 AM
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
anyone post to find out if ah2 is gonna have inexplicable darkness?


I bet it will, although I cannot confirm this as HT will no longer accept my calls.