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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BBinder on December 25, 2003, 11:03:57 AM
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ok hi all well i just got some plane sugestions
also in these sugguestions i've lsited some planes that we're prototypes i'll explain how prototypes can be used in games at the end of list
GO 229A - Prototype x 5
bME 262a-2a - Jet Fighter/Bomber
ME 262A-1a/U4 - Jet Fighter with a 4ft 50mm cannon sticking out front hopefully i got name down right
DO 335b-2 - Prototype x2
P80A Shooting Star
ok now about prototypes i think it would be nice to have in the game but limit how many many can fly per team for example
if there was 5 prototype made then u limit it to 5 per team or if u want just put 2per team which ever hitech would prefer
these are only just suggestions please be nice to me and hope u all have a merry jollie xmas and dont get to fat on mince pies
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A prototype is just that a prototype. They never saw action in the war.
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i know they never saw action but it would be nice to have them in and see how well they do the people at HITECh Creations can even program flight malfunctions into em to make them more of a risk
i'm sure ppl would like risk and it wont really hurt having prototypes added that are limited to how many can fly on each team
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let me say thois for HTC
NO
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BBinder ... welcome to Ace's High.
It's not SWOTL and the developers and programmers probably don't ever visit the "Luftwaffe 1946" website other than for amusement purposes.
If you, however, wish to jump on my "Spanish Civil War" bandwagon .....
:D
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Prototypes aren't nice to have around.
If I wanted prototypes I'd go fly Forgotten Battles.
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i dont really care if they are added either way, if they are id fly em, i dont think it should be ask you describe with limiting them to a certain number per country, i think it should be more like the 163, availble at afew different bases instead of 1 and perkd. I dunno if HT will anything like those though, but tons and tons of people said 163 wouldnt be added or they didnt think it should be added and its here now, so IMHO i think HT will pretty much do whatever he wants.
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The 163, is in a completely different class than compared to 'prototype' planes.
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How about meteor?
It would be a good plane to add for "Kadesh" scenario.
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thats not the point, the point is, majority of the people didnt wana see 163 come into game, now its here. If they do a scenerio that happend like 10 years after ww2 then IMHO i think its perfectly possible HT might add some of them almost made it type planes, or planes that were in an advanced stage of development such as the Do-335, no saying it will happen, just saying dont think HT cares if people want them or not, think he'll do whatever he wants.
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No, friend. That is exactly the point.
I think I've been here long enough to say that I remember how the 163 suggestions came to pass - even when I was a newbie way back then, the suggestions for including 163s into the game had a very long 'history'.
People specifically brought up the idea to place them in deep fields near HQs to counter HQ strikes, and HTC implemented in the way EXACTLY people wanted them to be.
There were many opinions, some saying aye and others saying nay, but if I remember it correctly, the majority, on the contrary, thought it was a feasible and interesting idea.
Why was it so feasible and interesting? Because the Me163 had an operational career, and while in a limited manner, had a place inside a WW2 aircombat sim. If the people had brought up the exact same idea with Horten flying wings, they wouldn't have supported it.
HT does whatever he wants, but there's a certain logic to it. The 'prototype' planes don't fit inside that logic.
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Originally posted by Arlo
BBinder ... welcome to Ace's High.
It's not SWOTL and the developers and programmers probably don't ever visit the "Luftwaffe 1946" website other than for amusement purposes.
If you, however, wish to jump on my "Spanish Civil War" bandwagon .....
:D
Spanish Civil War......one can only dream
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Hey Arlo,
Do you mind me tacking on my "Nomonhan Incident" request to your Spanish Civil War... Its always good to have multiple uses for I-16s.
Ki-27s are COOL!!!
-Bigred
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*cough* I want Goodyear F2G-2 *cough* :D
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Wish they'd use the AH2 engine for a WW1 sim - hell I'd pay double....smell of dope, silk scarves, canvas...sigh....
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Originally posted by bigred
Hey Arlo,
Do you mind me tacking on my "Nomonhan Incident" request to your Spanish Civil War... Its always good to have multiple uses for I-16s.
Ki-27s are COOL!!!
-Bigred
Don't see why not. Someday there might be an online mmp WWII air combat sim that covers nearly a full decade. Let's say 1936 to 1946 so that it accomodates both ends of the spectrum from the earliest "pre-war" skirmishes to a 1946 "what if the war lasted long enough to get some of the prototypes everyone seems nuts about into the war?" type of sim/game. Or even back it up to WWI as suggested by Schadenfreude (1916-1946 ... three decades of air war). Imagine three or four times the planes and vehicles modeled in Ace's High and historical terrains spanning the globe ... with the timeline and geography broken up amongst various arenas, of course.
I'd like that sim to be this one ... it's a matter of convenience. :D
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the ultimate spitdweeb plane/runstang killer....
(http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2918L.jpg)
Supermarine Spiteful
Mark XIV - the type 371 was fitted with a Griffon 69 engine rated at 2,375 hp driving a 5 blade propeller. The top speed was 475 mph. 19 were built. Of these aircraft 1 was converted to a Mark XV and 2 were converted to Mark XVI.
Mark XV - Fitted with a Griffon 89 or 90 engine rated at 2,350 hp and driving two contra rotating three blade propellers. The one converted aircraft, RB520, was subsequently used in the development of the Seafang. Top speed was 483 mph.
Mark XVI - The two conversions from the Mark XIV, RB516 and RB518 were fitted with the Griffon 101 engine producing 2,420 hp and a top speed of 494 mph.
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Originally posted by Furball
the ultimate spitdweeb plane/runstang killer....
(http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2918L.jpg)
Supermarine Spiteful
Mark XIV - the type 371 was fitted with a Griffon 69 engine rated at 2,375 hp driving a 5 blade propeller. The top speed was 475 mph. 19 were built. Of these aircraft 1 was converted to a Mark XV and 2 were converted to Mark XVI.
Mark XV - Fitted with a Griffon 89 or 90 engine rated at 2,350 hp and driving two contra rotating three blade propellers. The one converted aircraft, RB520, was subsequently used in the development of the Seafang. Top speed was 483 mph.
Mark XVI - The two conversions from the Mark XIV, RB516 and RB518 were fitted with the Griffon 101 engine producing 2,420 hp and a top speed of 494 mph.
Now that I would be interested in to be catching runstangs for once nice :D
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My suggestions would be the F8F bearcat, which was used during the end ofthe war (I think) and the B-24, just because it was the most produced bomber during the war, and it was just neat looking too.
It woudl also be neat to maybe see the Gloster meteor, but I think it only went into service near the end of the war and mostly took out V-1's, so I don't know if it would be pertinent, but it would be neat.
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no way we got to add the aircraft that saw real combat in WW2 not these late war monsters
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Yokosuka D4Y
Aichi B7A
Or at least the
Nakajima B6N
These late war monsters would rule the arena, and only 1337 $n1P3rZ could fly them.
-Sik
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Now that I would be interested in to be catching runstangs for once nice
Yeah, JustJim, but think about it.
Now, who's gonna catch the RunSpit??!! :D
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Yeah, JustJim, but think about it.
Now, who's gonna catch the RunSpit??!! :D
the funny blue "alien" space ship someone is bound to ask for ;)
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Space The Final Frontier These Are The Voyages Of
Oh Never Mind :p
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first of all, HTC said there would be no new aircraft in the first release of the full version of AHII. They will add some as time goes on.
As for those prototype planes...no. they never saw combat. If ah2 ever does extend past wwII, sure, but as for now, no.
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I for one would like the plane models to be sort of 'open-sourced' like Flight Sim 2000. The programmers amongst us could build out models of whatever they want, use them offline and submit them to HT for approval.
It would basically take some of the dev load off the HT programmers (for free) and allow new models to be introduced. Of course, HT would have strict control over models introduced online to make sure they met stringent RW specs.
I for one would like to see some Korean War scenarios with Mig-15s and F-84/86s. Very low tech stuff when dogfighting was still seat of the pants. These could be used only for special events.
One of the other reasons for open-sourcing models would be for special reskinning for scenarios like Ruhr. We will be flying bright silver Buffs instead of the historical gray/green paint job.
As for planes that saw 'real combat' ... How can you say the Liberator never saw real combat?!! There were over 18,000 of these monsters fighting in WW2. Even if the B-29 never sees the light of day, we should have the B-24.
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im not saying the b24 b29 never saw combat :rofl
what are you talking about:rofl
im talking about after WW2 monsters
like the seafury now that would catch a furballs spitrunner
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right after the post about f8f, meteor and b24 you said no late war monsters. Granted, the f8f didn't see combat, but the others did.
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I wouldn't be too upset to some of the late war planes, as long as they were operational during the war. Perk them appropriately and no one would probably fly them anyway. I do think that there are too many great planes to be flown that were operational before the thought should be had about experimental aircraft. In my opinion experimental aircraft would take something away from the game. :aok
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In terms of gameplay, what would a B-24 bring to AH that isn't already here? Its like adding a Halifax to supplement the Lancaster imo; both similar performance, bomb loads and defensive armament.
I think we need more Axis bombers, such as a Heinkel He-111, or one of those smurfy italian planes people are always whining for and a soviet bomber (Pe-2).
Maybe add a Mosquito B.35 or something and put a low perk cost on it.
And, as for the RunSpit, a Sea Fury would only catch it at low alt.... If you want to outfly it you need a DeHavilland Hornet / Sea Hornet which was a smaller single seat version of the Mosquito that could easily outclimb a Spitfire XIV and blast it with 4 nose mounted hispano.
(http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spit14climbchart.jpg)
(http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spit14speedchart.jpg)
(http://www.military.cz/british/air/war/fighter/hornet/hornets_m.jpg)
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The B-24 brings immersion. It was a major player in both the European and Pacific theaters. It was much more common than the B-17 in the Pacific. Running the Ploesti scenario without the B-24 is like running the BoB scenario without the Stuka or Ju-88.
Man ... I sure hate repeating myself but here I go again:
The main arena is no longer a factor when it comes to adding aircraft to Aces High. The main arena has all the aircraft it needs so it shouldn't even be a consideration anymore. Aircraft need to be added to the game to fill the gaps necessary to allow for historical setups without having to substitute a different model.
One more time, rephrased:
The main arena is no longer a practical factor when considering new models for Aces High. The main arena has pretty much all the uber models it needs and every side can fly any plane in the game. Now it's time to focus on historical setting gaps ... which has absolutely nothing to do with the main arena or how similar in role or ability one aircraft has with another. Especially if it involves an aircraft that served in a large capacity on all fronts.
Now if you're talking the B-29, it would affect the MA .. in one way and one way alone - it would become THE bomber everyone uses. And although it, too, is a major player in the Pacific, it basically represents the end of the war ... with an atom bomb as an exclamation point. So you see .. adding something different can take on a whole new connotation depending on what type of addition you're looking at. The B-24 adds immersion and fills historical gaps ... appealing to players who enjoy historical settings. The B-29 adds a plane that is significantly different than any bomber in the game ... and flew in the war serving a significant role ... yet it's value to Aces High is actually diminished by the major ability differences it possesses ... turning ability to liability.
Why do I bother? :lol ;) :)
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Arlo,
The Ki-84, good for the MA and good for scenarios.
There is at least one left to go.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Arlo,
The Ki-84, good for the MA and good for scenarios.
There is at least one left to go.
Ok ... I agree ... there may be one or even two that would be worthwhile in the MA. But, as you said, it's also good for scenarios and the CT. I still say events need priority at this stage. The MA isn't "hurting" as much. And yes, it's probably a good thing to prioritize the IJ planeset if AH ever wants to throw the Pacific event players a bone. TOD is all fine and good but if it doesn't include a Pacific variant it's only half done imo.
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Arlo,
I'm with you on the B-24, but would disagree with you on the B-29 becoming "the bomber" in the MA. When you look at the capabilies, it would have to be a perk bomber. Again you can add all of the late war Planes you want to this game, to keep it from getting crazy you would have to perk them. That's why everyone isn't flying 262's, Tempest...etc. Furball has a point. There are a lot of planes from other country's other than the U.S. and Great Britain that have been really over looked. Russia, Italy, and Germany being some of them. As the RunSpit (460 mph by the way), an La-11 would catch it at 466mph(Delivered summer of '45). The Mig -7 delivered in '43( over 440mph). Italy had some great fighters not too speedy, but I would fly any on them in a turning fight. Fiat G55, Re 2002, Re 2005. There's a lot of good aircraft that can be added that do not have to come from the US or Britain. Don't get me started on the bombers. That's is definately an area that needs improvement in this game. Anything will work if you use the perks correctly. :aok
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Sorry arlo maybe i shoulda been more clear
Originally posted by Furball
In terms of gameplay (I meant in MA terms - where the vast majority of AH subscribers play), what would a B-24 bring to AH that isn't already here? Its like adding a Halifax to supplement the Lancaster imo; both similar performance, bomb loads and defensive armament.
I think we need more Axis bombers, such as a Heinkel He-111, or one of those smurfy italian planes people are always whining for and a soviet bomber (Pe-2). (This i was talking about thickening the planeset for scenario's etc. As these countries are hardly even represented with attack/bomber aircraft. And as such should have priority over another U.S bomber, after all we do have a B-17, B-26, A-20, SBD, TBM already)
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Originally posted by Hornet1
As the RunSpit (460 mph by the way)
That is a Spiteful i mentioned
Supermarine Spiteful
Mark XIV - the type 371 was fitted with a Griffon 69 engine rated at 2,375 hp driving a 5 blade propeller. The top speed was 475 mph. 19 were built. Of these aircraft 1 was converted to a Mark XV and 2 were converted to Mark XVI.
Mark XV - Fitted with a Griffon 89 or 90 engine rated at 2,350 hp and driving two contra rotating three blade propellers. The one converted aircraft, RB520, was subsequently used in the development of the Seafang. Top speed was 483 mph.
Mark XVI - The two conversions from the Mark XIV, RB516 and RB518 were fitted with the Griffon 101 engine producing 2,420 hp and a top speed of 494 mph.
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Originally posted by Furball
Sorry arlo maybe i shoulda been more clear
You were perfectly clear. The B-24 brings exactly the same thing the He-111 does. It fills a definate glaring omission in events. So what if 80% of the player base never ventures outa the MA. The MA is cooked. It's done. It's finished and up to full speed. It tastes great. Anything new added is just more spice there. Order of new plane additions makes no difference whatsoever in the MA.
That's not saying the B-24 has to be on the top of the event addition list. But it's worthy of being somewhere on it. So is the Billy Mitchell.
Scenario/CT/TOD priority should be Japanese aircraft/Italian aircraft/Allied armor/German bombers/Russian bombers (this far down just because alot of Russian gaps can be filled with lend-lease)/U.S. planes.
The CT and scenarios aren't finished. They aren't done. It needs more filling. :D
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I would just love other planes to be available for special events and scenarios. It just isn't realistic when we sub a 262 for a meteor, even with a new paint job, etc.
Immersion is right.
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Arlo
is right i mean what would the B25 level bombing version bring when we got the B26
in the main
but the B25 and like aircraft would be well suited to Scenario's