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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: rarara on May 22, 2001, 10:31:00 PM
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Love this game alot, because I have fun playing it. It's that plain and simple. What happened tonite is just not right. We still had 3 bases but I couldn't take off from any one of them. It's just not right.
IMHO
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A "fighter town" would solve that. Just one field for each side in close proximity that you can always fly from. Isolated from the rest, with limited fuel and ordinance so it can't be used to launch attacks on the rest of the map.
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Lephturn
[This message has been edited by Lephturn (edited 05-23-2001).]
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I disagree Lephturn. In this instant a "Fighter Town" would just provide an excuse for people to completely abandon the other part of the arena.
One problem that promotes the above scenario is the fact that only one country wins the war. The country with less bases has no incentive to finish the loser off. Often times, that country will try to prevent the reset while they also try to capture more fields... just prolonging the "in-the-hole" status of the country that is getting trounced.
There needs to be more things in place that remove the 2:1 race to win the war. I don't really have a good idea on how that should be done, and I can't really say I've seen one presented.
I do know that I'm not for a fighter town for exactly the reasons you have stated we should have one.
AKDejaVu
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rarara, I bet your a Knight. Just hang in there m8. Things will come full circle again.
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Better that folks abandon that area of the map than have them log off and abandon the main arena all together. That's what happens now. Deja, when things are down folks will abandon that area anyway, right now they do it by switching sides or logging off to do it. The key is to give them some way to play in the main arena despite the situation. You can't force people to defend at a disadvantage if they don't want to, so I see no reason why a reasonable alternative within the arena would hurt. If anything, I believe a "fighter town" arangement would keep more people in the main on the disadvantaged side, and give you a much better chance of getting a rally going to defend or reclaim territory. If folks had a place to muck about for 15 minutes until an FH pops back up, that would be great. As it is, you get situations where there are 3 bases and no FH's... so folks switch or log. That's just not a good situation in my opinion. I've not heard a better solution to the problem.
Deja, at least it's something to try. Better than no solution at all, which seems to be the alternative. I think we agree that separate arenas are not the answer either.
I'm still looking for a valid reason why a "fighter town" would be bad for the arena. So far "because we can't force people to defend the last few bases" is all I've heard. The bottom line is you can't force people to play that way anyway. I say it's better to have folks stay online in the main than have them log. Better for all the players, including those who like to play the strat game.
FWIW, I'm hoping the redesigned field layouts with more FH's and player manable acks will help the situation.
BTW, <S> DejaVu for the polite discussion we are having, despite our disagreement on this topic. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Lephturn
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Everyone who plays AH will be at the losing end of the reset at some point... unless you switch countries to avoid it. That is not going to be a plesant experience for anyone. There will always be people that log off in these situations. There will always be newbies that don't stick with the game because of the hopelessness of the oposition.
I personally feel the same way about night-time. I hate when I have only an hour to play and log on just as the sun is setting. Its totally lame to have to spend the hour flying in the dark fighting icons.
A fighter town only serves to divide the arena. Your assumption is that in times like this, it provides something else for people to do while their country is getting demolished. The thing that gets overlooked is what happens when the country is getting beat up, but is still holding on somewhat... say at 4 or 5 bases. At what point would abandoning your country for fighter town be apropriate? Dar is down... go to fighter town. Low on bases... go to fighter town. Hangars closed on the front... go to fighter town.
Don't kid yourself. The idea of a fighter town is essentially creating an additional arena inside of the existing one. The tension created between people co-existing in the same arena (as it is) will pale in comparison to the tension created by having two sides of the tracks in the MA. That is why I don't support a "might as well try it" aproach.
Things need fixing... on that I agree. I don't want to see it get worse in the process.
AKDejaVu
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As a ROOK I'm very farmiliar with the no bases to fly from problem (all your base are belong to us). Its a difficult thing to fix without completely changing the way the game is played.
I do think that a perk point system that multiplies perks for countries with fewer players and reduces perks for countries with an over abundance of players will help.
50-50-50 equal perks
60-60-30 1/4 perks for 60's 3xperks for 30's
75-50-25 1/8 perks for 75's 3xperks for 50's 10xperks for 25's
Now that will encourage more equality....if we ever get more perk stuff anyway (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I can say as a newbie that has payed for his first month to try this game I'm not thrilled to get a chance to play and log on to find i can't fly. I didn't like the land grab and base porking in AW and I'm finding more of the same here. I don't do squads and I don't wing, I just want to get a few fights when I get a chance.
exlax
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A side effect of getting pounded down to 3 bases is a lot of people leave. When the reset actually occurs the numbers are still way out of equal and the reset country tends to get put right back in the barrel because they are the most inviting target to start attacking immediately.
Felt your pain before rarara, I know it sucks.
-Soda
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Hiya's,
Can anyone forward me to the H2H rooms ?? i believe i can set a room up there to suit my liking i hear in said rooms you have the ability to choose all different goodies
Have Fun
Def
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I like Lephturns Idea. It would also be a good place to go to just blow of steam and kill kill kill.
LLB OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Said this idea before...
How about if a country gets down to less than 3 bases and the other countries don't come in and win the war within X period of time (say 2 hours?) then the beat up country gets the bonus perk points for surviving through a rough time.
That gives people an incentive to defend, while it also gives the current "bully" countries a motivator to hurry up and win the war.
How's that?
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Here's an idea (our numbers just aren't enough to support a fightown... yet)
While the side that wins the war gets perk points, the side that has fewer numbers gets a perk point multiplier.
It could be as simple as 'there are 1/2 as many nits as the next higher team, therefore nit perk points are doubled'
Sure some folks would bail, but staunch defenders could rack up some points for fighting for the underdog.
Why log when you *could* earn as many points for staying and loosing than you could for winning?
Just a thought.
As an alternative, the fewer bases you have the faster the remaining bases would be resupplied. If it's all about a strat war then to wipe out the enemy (i.e. porking bases) you'd have to continually pork the factories to keep the loosing side down.
i.e. People shouldn't be winning the war as often as they do.
Make it harder.
~Lemur
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Midnight has the answer!!
I vote for a fighter town. It worked in AW so why not here? Make the 3 bases in the middle of the lake a little closer and untakeable, bingo, fiter towne!! Would be a great place to play yet still be in touch with what is going on in the MA.
I like the island map because the island that has A1 on it kinda turned into a fiter town. Would like to see those bases untakeable. I knew I could always get a fight on that island if each country owned 1 base (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by 1776 (edited 05-24-2001).]
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I don't agree with a "fighter town" concept in the main arena. I can't remember how many times a fighter/bomber/c47 would up FT in AW to capture or attack a nearby base. The predictable crys of "cheat, poor sport, liar, etc.." would start the arena ina mass argument and ruin the experiance.
We have a Dueling Arena and that was placed there for a reason, use it.
Nomde
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Another vote for an FT here!
Nomde does have a point, at least with respect to the AW FT, but that could be covered (as Lephturn mentions) by limited plane/ord/fuel options at the FT bases.
On the other hand, while Deja makes a valid point in that an FT would draw away fighter jocks from the "great patriotic war", there's quite a number of pilots who don't take part in that any way. Certainly in my own case, I log on and fly to the nearest furball regardless. I can understand that some of the online generals get frustrated when their finly laid plans don't work due to number shortages, but that's no concern of mine. I don't go typing "nEEDMore figgters AT FURBAl over A1 NOWWW!!!", do I?