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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: scJazz on December 27, 2003, 09:39:57 AM
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Since Storch is in a rush and so as to not hose things up too much...
Please grade the Darwin setup. Remember we are grading on a C curve. A's should be near impossible to get. Likewise F's are equally near impossible.
I'll reserve my grade for later in the week.
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B+ is alot of fun til you get gang banged.:D
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We really shouldn't grade these until the end of the week.
This has only been up for one day.
eskimo
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C+
Why? Shooting down some enemy with my SBD-5 and it very funny hehe :D
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F-
there wasn't a 109F
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I'm kind of sick of the Pacific set-up ....
D
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F-
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D- I think the set up would be better if they moved the spit in closer to the action and perked it.
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I give it a C+
It wasn't the setup that ruined the fun. It was the maliceful intent of people on both sides, that killed the fun.
1. Unorganized Spits and P-40s, after getting consecutively shot down, turned to really dull tactics of not fighting at all unless they find a Zero alone at deck.
2. Seeing that they could hardly find a fight, the JP side just parked the fleet 5 miles away from the only base that could bring a quick fight against each other, obviously looking for a quick fight.
3. Seeing that the JP side parked fleet right off shore, the P-40s and Spits refused to up from the base. They gathered in a large group, and flew around the CV, waiting for Zeros to up. Of course, surrouned all sides, the Zeros couldn't grab alt, nor group up.
4. The Zeros, getting tired of meeting alt-monkeying P-40s and Spits, waiting right outside ack rangem, decided to hug the fleet ack.
5. In turn, seeing ack hugging Zeros, the P-40s and Spits ran off to somewhere else.
6. And finally, when the fight was drawn off to a wide sky where neither fleet ack nor base ack was nearby, both sides clashed with their full might - both using cooperative team tactics to meet and fight, not to bore 'n zoom or just run away. In these moments, the fights were really good.
6 was good, but steps 1~5 that lead to 6, was really boring.
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Haven't tried it. FesterMA is up. ;)
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B+. Spits and P40s against Zekes make for fun fights. Too bad the arena is empty now...
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i'll give it an I for incomplete...as i didn't even bother to log on this week. someone call me when we get back to a eto setup. :D
(go ahead...someone slam me. but ya gotta give me credit...i kept my obvious dislike for a pac setup off the board this go around, and didn't even log in to whine! oh..wait...that probably made some unhappy because they couldn't whine about my whinning. oh well. tough poop! :cool: )
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Im enjoying it.
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F-
there was almost no way to take bases due to low bombloads
there is no bombers:o
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Originally posted by scJazz
Please grade the Darwin setup.
It pains me to give this one a D-.
I was one of the people (heck, maybe the ONLY one of the people) who was interested in seeing how a Spit I would do v. a zeke. The answer, to all who have flown this week, is pretty clear; one-on-one, the zeke eats the Spit's lunch unless the spit flies strictly b&z tactics, and even then the Spit is hobbled by its gun package. The P40B, we already know, has this same problem, although its guns are better.
The result has been that the allied planes must fly strictly b&z tactics (or die), or fly in huge swarms. Having one side that can only fly b&z, while the other side can only fly turnfight tactics, produces a really boring match - at least to my mind. I can't remember another setup where this was so.
All in all, I'm really grateful that we got to try this, but I wouldn't do it again.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
The result has been that the allied planes must fly strictly b&z tactics (or die), or fly in huge swarms. Having one side that can only fly b&z, while the other side can only fly turnfight tactics, produces a really boring match - at least to my mind.
- oldman
But that's pretty close to the historical record. B&Z was Chennault's tactic with P-40's against IJ turnfighters.
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OK it is late enough in the week for my grade.
F
1) Lack of fighters limited IJ forces to known attack patterns.
2) Lack of formation bombers sent many pilots straight to the CT.
3) Lack of formation bombers limited ability to destroy strategic targets (bases, fleets, etc).
For the first time this month I actually went and flew in the MA and enjoyed making new friends :D on the Knight front of the Rooks.
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Originally posted by Tuck
i'll give it an I for incomplete...as i didn't even bother to log on this week. someone call me when we get back to a eto setup. :D
(go ahead...someone slam me. but ya gotta give me credit...i kept my obvious dislike for a pac setup off the board this go around, and didn't even log in to whine! oh..wait...that probably made some unhappy because they couldn't whine about my whinning. oh well. tough poop! :cool: )
WTF was this, then, if not another "no fair cause I don't like Pac" whine, ya whiney lil whiner? :D
Oh ... and D+ (am I the only one who read the grading definitions?) :lol
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While I appreciate the effort, calling this a Darwin setup is a real stretch and the sad thing is that it really didn't have to be this way.
To me it would have made more sense to make only one sub, the A6M5 for the A6M3, and then use the proper allied planes, the Spitfire V and P40E. Seems like this would make a much better and more accurate Darwin setup, imho. I didn't get to fly this one much so I can't really comment any further.
Just my two cents.
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Hell I opened this thread and reminded everyone about the grading curve and I still upon even more deep reflection give it an F.
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A
Because grading setups like this is completely pointless, especially after all the whining has already taken place before and during ...
and,
Because I pretty much like any setup that has the a6m2 in it, and am willing to put up with a certain amount of frustration to fly it.
Splash1
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I for one, and maybe the only one, liked the A6M2 vs P-40B. Since the A6M2 performs like the A6M5 in dives, the P-40B earned every single kill...if the pilot flew home and landed.
I flew the A6M2 for a few hopes and the axis guys certanly did have a hard time trying to (INVADE DARWIN) but I think it was a bad map to represent this theme.
Again, the A6M2 is ubber in the dive speed area, diving at 420mph was only what the A6M5 could do and come out in one piece.
The P-40B wabbles and bounces like a motherF!@#er and its very hard to shoot in close at low speeds and get away with it.
The SBD is as stable as a rock, the roll rate is slow but the massave rudder input will get it to turn pretty good.
I dont fly Spits!
1. I liked the plane set.....B+ (Woulda been an A+ but took away score for ubber A6M2 dive speed and durability at that speed)
2. I disliked the Darwin Theme with this map.....D+
3. Loved seeing Kates and Vals. I shot very few but it was nice NOT to see the F!@#$% Ki-67 or Ju-88s for a F!@#$% change.
For that I give an.....A++
However, Axis had the chance to try and invade much smaller fileds but chose to try and capture the two biggest fields on the map. The allies were able to pull it off but thats not what the theme was about.
I feel that the axis players (Jg-3 exclusivly) can pull off a nice invasion the next time this map is run if the CMs will moniter the arena during peak times and not allow the allies to capture bases; increase downtimes on these larger fields, if its a large field thats being attacked for a given night....increase downtimes for the night. If its a small field, ease up the down times.
At the same time, the allied squads need to form massave dive bomber missions to sink the fleet.
But then there are the ones that dont care about anything but to furball with equally matched aircraft, even if it takes two types to do it.
Final Score B+
I guess "Theme Maps" need to wait till AHII. The CT should be renamed the "Furball Arena" with a twist of "Base Capture at Will" Wait, I keep forgetting that already exists and is called the MA :rofl
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C
The zero was a blast to fly.
I flew a lot of Allied sorties in the SBD and was amazed as to how well it faired against the zero. Many zero pilots seemed to not give it enough respect and used poor tactics against it. It turns pretty well, has very lethal long-range guns compared to the zero, is pretty tough, and has a stinger tail gun that can quickly ruin a zekes day.
This set-up was a fun experiment.
It was most enjoyable when the Japanese had their one carrier close to Allied bases and provoked some good furballs.
It sometimes got a little dull and turned into an alt monkey contest without the CV.
eskimo
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I thought some of you IJN drivers would like to see these..
(http://img8.photobucket.com/albums/v26/Stream14/untitled1.jpg)
(http://img8.photobucket.com/albums/v26/Stream14/untitled.jpg)
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You're sampling Warbirds since it went cut-rate .. aintcha? I've been considering trying it just to check the model and planeset as well as DOAIII and the WWII tank game.
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Yup ... believe so.
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Originally posted by Arlo
You're sampling Warbirds since it went cut-rate .. aintcha? I've been considering trying it just to check the model and planeset as well as DOAIII and the WWII tank game.
Heh, Im still downloading WBIII for trying out(No Im not leaving AH) and it still not finish downloading, it could possible take me 2 days to finish it.
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Hehe, Rafe. I knooooow the feeling.
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It's the KI-84 (which I think is the Frank) from IL-2... they have the A6M-5, KI-84, and I think they are coming out with the KI-61..
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Originally posted by Arlo
Hehe, Rafe. I knooooow the feeling.
Heh, I did try DAP, but didnt work on resume lol. So, They told me use the updater and which I got 83.1 to go. :D
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Warbirds FM sucks bad.
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Originally posted by Slash27
Warbirds FM sucks bad.
I require more data, Captain. ;)
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Here is one...
(http://img8.photobucket.com/albums/v26/Stream14/Ki-61_31.jpg)
(http://img8.photobucket.com/albums/v26/Stream14/Ki-61_21.jpg)
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Is that a .22 cal mini-vulcan cannon in front of the air conditioner underneath?:D
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Sorry Arlo, I don't think they have Navy birds yet....
Here is a very cool movie to check out...
The movie can be downloaded from my website at:
http://www.aqqm31.dsl.pipex.com/
It requires xvid to view the movie.
Here is the link to download it
http://www.divx-digest.com/software/xvid.html
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Ahhh .. IL2 FB. Nevermind. I'll try that later on down the road. Of course ... there's also "Target:this and that" to try as well. One of the groups are working on a Target:Spain. Tax rebate time is practically here. Maybe we can live with a leaky roof a lil while longer. :D
Kinda suspected after those last two. It has that IL-2 weathered skin look to it. But couldn't, for the life of me, figure out where the weapons were hidden.
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What Skyfox said.
F.
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Honestly Arlo,
I played IL-2 online for the first time on Sunday afternoon... Lets just say this... I was amazed on how well things were... No Icons, No Dar, No little radar boxes for planes... the guys I flew with fly full realisum... well as real as they can get... You have to navigate off the earth with the compass... Lets just say I got lost a lot!... I really enjoyed it... I think it will make a good escape from this from time to time... I found out I need to work on my gunnery in there a lot more than in here...
I do hope they come out with some Navy birds... I will be interested on how they are modeled... compared to in here...
If you want to a short footage of me flying.. here is a link
http://www.colstream.neptune.com
Sorry didn't mean to stray from the topic at hand
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Excellent news about IL2...
Now could we please stop hijacking this thread?
Thanks
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Originally posted by Dennis
Because grading setups like this is completely pointless,
I would like to offer a different opinion. I think this is a good way for the CT folks to get feedback. (Although I admit that some players are have not been shy about offering feedback in the past). Over time, these grades could be another factor to consider in devising future set ups.
And if nothing else, it consolidates all the whines about a particular setup into one convenient place.
I give it a C
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E - you just have to see the numbers during prime time - I saw about 10 at the most.
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I liked this setup as long as the local area numbers were somewhat even... unfortunately that was rarely the case so it gets a C- . I think adding the p40e would have helped. I would guess adding the spit-5 would have turned things into a spit-fest rather than a zeke-fest though. Sqrl
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Originally posted by Toad
But that's pretty close to the historical record. B&Z was Chennault's tactic with P-40's against IJ turnfighters.
True. Once again, the CT has managed to duplicate history. Kind of cool, the way that happens sometimes.
- oldman
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I guess maybe a B–.
Had a chance to fly for both sides, and thought that 1v1 Zeke/Spit was a great fight.
Bottom line... I had fun. :)
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With no bombers, not even a Ju88, or at lesast an A20, I'm not interested.
It gets an F in my book.
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Originally posted by LtMagee
I dont fly Spits!
Why not?? You fly every other RAF plane Nigel!:D
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change "don't" to "can't" and there ya have it.
:D