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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: T1loady on December 29, 2003, 12:20:39 PM
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I am trying to find the plane that is my goto plane and this week I flew the Typhoon and the P-47's for the first time and really enjoyed both. What are the tricks to being a better pilot in these planes. Which 47 should I dogfight in? How fast should I keep these planes and are there any tricks for them. I am trying to get away from being a LA-7 dweeb and hate being slammed for landing lots of kills in it. I also flew the D9 and like it ,but it turns like a stuck pig. Does anyone have a good key pad conifguration they use to toggeling things such at trim, zoom or wep. etc.. Any comments welcome and any advice would be great. Thanks in advance fo the help/
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Stay high and fast in both planes until you start to get the hang of it. P47 is a horrible slow speed fighter, but typhoons aren't so bad low and slow. Both of them have a great gun package that can do some damage too. Stay high and fast to begin with and you should do alright. :D
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Thanks I was adding to my post when you replied..... I hit the wrong button and posted it before I was done.
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Best jug to dogfight in will probably be the D11. It has poor sight for shooting, but it is pretty agile. I would never get either of the planes under 200mph untill you get comfortable with the guns/stall feeling. I use q/w for flaps, roller on mouse for throttle, a/s for rudder, and the number pad for views. Kinda makes ya wish you had more fingers. ;)
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I fly with a joystick with a throttle and hat switch but I have heard that there is a good number pad setup out there so that you wont have to look at the keyboard much..
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Yeah, well im poor, and a stick isn't an option right now. :D
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P47-D-25 would be my favorite of the P47's. A P47 can out turn a P51b but the P51 accelerates faster. If you get into one of those fights that drags you to a lower alt try to maintain some E or else the other plane will go verticle and you cant follow, leaving him with a big advantage.
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Thanks good tip, E is very important in all the planes I have flow so far and enough cant be said about speed and energy. Thanks again..
Skip
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Real men fly a 38 though ;)
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Well that is what AckAck says, Ive tried the 38 and love Jaboing in it, but havent been that good in it. Any advice on the 38?
SkipNutz
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Originally posted by Sway
Real men fly a 38 though ;)
Agreed:aok :D
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Originally posted by Sway
Real men fly a 38 though ;)
only wussies need an extra engine :D
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Originally posted by Raptor01
A P47 can out turn a P51b but the P51 accelerates faster.
Ah, no... A P-51B can hang with the La-7, and the La-7 eats Jugs for breakfast. If you get a P-47 so slow that you are depending upon out-turning anything, you've already screwed the pooch. You need to be flying the angles and avoid turning with anything more agile than a B-26. Otherwise, you're playing to the Jugs weakness, not its strengths.
My regards,
Widewing
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Yeah well........ you suck :D
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P47 with full flaps turns quite well. It's quite a bit better than the typhoon at slow speed. The typhoons only real defense when slow is that it drops speed so quickly that cons tend to overshoot it rather easily if you use the rudder heavy in a barrel roll. Keep the typhoon very fast, and keep your turns against enemy planes in a slow spiral and break off once they've figgured out what you're doing and pull nose up. You can use a low yoyo against planes like spitfires to force them to overspeed their turn advantage. If that dosen't work, it's as good a time as any to get clear and setup for another go.
My experience with some of the planes listed from best turners to worst are:
P38 Full Flaps
P47 Full Flaps
P51 Full Flaps
Typhoon (You'd be lucky to get to flaps)
I'm no where near the best player in any of them, but I'd imagine most of the better players who have spent some time in these would agree.
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Originally posted by Widewing
Ah, no... A P-51B can hang with the La-7, and the La-7 eats Jugs for breakfast. If you get a P-47 so slow that you are depending upon out-turning anything, you've already screwed the pooch. You need to be flying the angles and avoid turning with anything more agile than a B-26. Otherwise, you're playing to the Jugs weakness, not its strengths.
My regards,
Widewing
All very true, LA7's are my favourite 1 v 1 encounter when in the B Pony.
...-Gixer
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Once climbed up to 30.000 ft to catch a D-30 Jug with my P-51B.
The guy I fought was bitterly disappointed that I could easily catch him and outturn him at that altitude.
A good trick in a Typh or P-47 is to use your speed to zoom up and reverse quickly. With that forward armament pursuers are often intimidated/shot down. Been caught by that many, many times no matter how hard I tried to avoid.
It's true that a low slow Typh can force an overshoot quickly but again I have only been at the receiving end of that.
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Originally posted by hogenbor
Once climbed up to 30.000 ft to catch a D-30 Jug with my P-51B.
The guy I fought was bitterly disappointed that I could easily catch him and outturn him at that altitude.
A good trick in a Typh or P-47 is to use your speed to zoom up and reverse quickly. With that forward armament pursuers are often intimidated/shot down. Been caught by that many, many times no matter how hard I tried to avoid.
It's true that a low slow Typh can force an overshoot quickly but again I have only been at the receiving end of that.
the D30 jug is only good for jaboing IMO
if you want A2A fly the D11 it CAN turn inside a 51 and an La7
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Well, as mentioned before, stay high and fast, try making high speed dives on lower enemy's.
P-47 loves alt, so you'll have the advantage at high alts dogfights (Just don't turn much, it's speed will drop dramatically!
You'll have the advantage in fire power, sometimes headons will be a good option
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asking what's the best dogfighting jug is sorta similar to asking what's the best toothbrush to use to paint a battleship. it's just the wrong tool for the job. i fly the jug alot myself and love it. also have many 1 v 1 kills v 190s who i lured into a turnfight too.
i usu load up the jug with 3-500 lbers and the smallest gun package, the 6-50's with 267 rounds per gun. i do that because the real damage i'm going to do is via the bombs.
i've found the smallest gun package to pack pleny of bullets to shoot down as many cons as i'd care to. where it runs low is if i deack. after getting all them down, then i'm running low. sometimes, i'll pack the 6-50's with 425 or the 8-50's with 267.
if i were to up a jug looking for scalps, i'd prob take the 11 50% fuel dt and the small gun package for sure. much lighter. climbs great. and people think you don't know what you're doing if you fly one too (which may be the case in my case :lol)
hap1
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I don't see why the jug has the option to load 6 x the .50's since it's advantage has to be it's firepower. You'd better fly the mustang if you load the 6 machine guns
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Take the D30 option with 50% fuel and 1 drop tank, use the 6 x 50 guns with the higher ammo load.
Absolutely awesome bird - good at high speed, good guns, lots of ammo, climbs well - does everything you could want.....and if those pesky 205's come after you sucker them into a vertical 400mph dive towards the ground then watch them lawndart as you zoom back to 10k cackling insanely to yourself!!
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no point in taking only 6 0.5. the difference in weight isn't very important. the fuel condition will be much more important.
the bigest p-47 problem is that it's too slow to escape the hords. if there's a p51 or an La7 or a 190D9 or a 109G10 (meaning always) you can't escape and the spits will eat ya.
1 on 1 with all the speedsters you can handle pretty well if you can lure them into a stall contest. spits and niks you can outrun, but you can't accelerate fast enough if you are slow (even in a dive, despite the legend...).
try to find some of Drex's films in the p-47. the guy really know how to work it.
I have a few p-47 films that can demonstrate some tricks:
http://fire.prohosting.com/bozon/
Bozon