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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Mister Fork on December 30, 2003, 06:25:12 PM
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The Rhine, February 1945
As Hitlers battles a front on two sides (Russians from the East and American/British forces on the West), the Rhine comes into focus for this historic battle. Set in February 1945, the Axis forces are pushed back deep into Germany as the American/British forces slam what's remaining of the Luftwaffe. The 262 and the Arado are proving to be a lethal combo for the period. Rumours are abound that a German base is operating the Me-262 with another as a storage area for construction. Should they fall into Allied hands, the 262 would be available to the American and British pilots.
Allies (indicates perk cost)
A-20
B-17
B-26
C-47
Lancaster III
Mosquito Mk VI
P-38L
P-47D-11
P-47D-25
P-47D-30
P-51D
Spitfire XIV (2)
Tempest (5)
Typhoon
Sherman(Panzer)
M series
Ostie
Axis
Ar 234B*
Bf 109G-2
Bf 109G-6
Bf 109G-10
Bf 110G-2
Ju-52 [C-47]
Fw 190A-5
Fw 190A-8
Fw 190D-9
Fw 190F-8
Ju 88A-4
Me 163 (5)**
Me 262 (15)
Ta 152H (1)
Panzer
Ostie
M Series
Tiger
* limited to rear
** limited to selected strategic fields
Settings
Tower: 30 miles
Sector: 45 miles at 1000ft
Resupply: 10 minutes
AAA: .7 lethal
Strat: off
Morning: 5:45am
Evening: 6:45pm
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So why is g10 not perked if spit14 is?
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Originally posted by storch
Add Rus AC also please.
Just hazarding a guess here but I'm willing to bet this represents the Western front with no reverse lend-lease from the Soviets to the Yanks and Brits. ;)
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109G2 does not belong in this sertup. Perhaps unperk Spit14.
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:D
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Looks good Fork:aok
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Now, That's look good! :D
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keep the spit14 perked
and if the whines of the spitdweebs get to you add the spit9 as unperked
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Originally posted by simshell
keep the spit14 perked
and if the whines of the spitdweebs get to you add the spit9 as unperked
gah! unperk the 14... the spit9 had been outdated by this point.
the spit14 isn't as much a threat as you might think.
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Originally posted by Shane
gah! unperk the 14... the spit9 had been outdated by this point.
the spit14 isn't as much a threat as you might think.
Well it might be to him. ;)
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:D Going back to europe w00t!:D :) :aok <-----------gay smily
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2 Points
If Allies can capture a 262 field then can Axis please capture a Tempest field? Tempests are a lot of fun to fly.
If you reset my damn perk points at the beginning of this setup your going to have to listen to me go off on all the reasons why that is a dumb move.
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Why dont we get the P51B?????? It should be here. Plz add it. You left it out, and now I am sad :(
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No 262 for allies. What kind of joke is this?
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I believe it simulates capturing jets before they get destroyed. And yeah, if jets can be captured, then it stands to reason that an Allied perkie bird can be captured by the Germans, yes?
Or no. *ShruG*
Either way, it looks ..... velly intervestink.
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If you reset my damn perk points at the beginning of this setup your going to have to listen to me go off on all the reasons why that is a dumb move.
Why start a new map with 200 perk points? In that case, why perk anything at all? Duh?
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Originally posted by Arlo
I believe it simulates capturing jets before they get destroyed. And yeah, if jets can be captured, then it stands to reason that an Allied perkie bird can be captured by the Germans, yes?
Or no. *ShruG*
Either way, it looks ..... velly intervestink.
Then why not just have full plane set open to both sides.....
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Then why not just have full plane set open to both sides.....
Because it's a limited planeset for both sides? :D
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No 109G2 or 190A-5, add the P-51B.
Spit IX was used untill the end of hostilities in large #s...but its not required for this to be a good setup, so whatever.
Thumbs up Mr Fork, I enjoyed this set last it was run :)
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I'm keeping the G2 and A5 as it was a fairly desperate time for the Luftwaffe. They were sending boys up in retired a/c including the Fw 190A-5 and Bf 109G-2. I read in History of the Luftwaffe, (Time 1968), that anything that was flyable they were sending the boys up in.
I will add the P-51B later today thought. Forgot to include it.
Besides, when the P-51B is in, it'll be 9 fighters a side: Spit,Temp,Tiff,Stangx2,Lightening,Jugsx3 vs Bfx3,Fwx4,Me,Ta
The 163 is a uber rocket and doesn't count. :D
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Spit IX was used untill the end of hostilities in large #s
Not the Merlin 61 Spit IX, which is what AH has. In fact, by Feb 45, all the Spit IXs in Western Europe were running on 100/150 fuel, pulling 25lbs boost, and had a speed of around 360 mph on the deck, which is the same as the AH Spit XIV. They also had a climb rate of around 5,500ft/min on the deck.
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
I'm keeping the G2 and A5 as it was a fairly desperate time for the Luftwaffe. They were sending boys up in retired a/c including the Fw 190A-5 and Bf 109G-2. I read in History of the Luftwaffe, (Time 1968), that anything that was flyable they were sending the boys up in.
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I've read this too. I think that you need to add the 109F-4 for this very reason. Right Eagler?
eskimo
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Originally posted by eskimo2
I've read this too. I think that you need to add the 109F-4 for this very reason. Right Eagler?
eskimo
yes yes! we are very desperate!! :)
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The Bf 109F-4? You want the Bf 109F-4? :rolleyes:
IF I give the Luftwaffe the Bf 109F-4, what do I give the Allies?
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
The Bf 109F-4? You want the Bf 109F-4? :rolleyes:
IF I give the Luftwaffe the Bf 109F-4, what do I give the Allies?
Oh you know the answer to this already ... and the gnashing of teeth on both sides of the fence that's about to happen no matter what you do now. :D
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
The Bf 109F-4? You want the Bf 109F-4? :rolleyes:
IF I give the Luftwaffe the Bf 109F-4, what do I give the Allies?
I was just joking - setup is fine as is
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Ahhhh:D, I see massive numbers of bombers up on Tuesday night.
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Few problems:
- Too many 262 at least 50% of axis time to time become 262 - probably need to increese its perk value
- Put in MOTD the numbers of bases that can be captured by allies to get 262s
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
The Bf 109F-4? You want the Bf 109F-4? :rolleyes:
IF I give the Luftwaffe the Bf 109F-4, what do I give the Allies?
P-47D-25 is a perfect match for the 109F-4.
eskimo
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There is only one german base that holds the stored 262's. I may be forced to reset perk points if all that is flown is the 262 or up the perk value to 100 OR enable the perk balance.
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"Not the Merlin 61 Spit IX, which is what AH has."
CT setups will never be so detailed as to assign subtypes based on the exact engine or fuel. We dont have the planeset for that, and probably never will.
The "E" wing Spit IX and Spit XVI were used untill April 1945, so it may not have a Merlin 66 but it has the right armament, so I guess it all comes out in the wash.
Like I said, its not required, just a comment.
There were no 109G2s or 190A5s flown by the LW in 1945, but I have no big objection to them being included other than it takes some of the "atmosphere" away. They had 1000's of 109G-10, 190D-9, 190A-8, and Me 262s being produced monthly, all brand new...the shortage was fuel and pilots, not airframes.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
P-47D-25 is a perfect match for the 109F-4.
eskimo
I think the 11 would be closer. the 109f would turn inside the 25 with 94% of the jug pilots
can someone fix the map? 262's are everywhere & p38 is nowhere making the allies fly j bout nuthin but temps and spit14s
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Originally posted by Eagler
...making the allies fly j bout nuthin but temps and spit14s
Whoa. wouldn't have expected that.
:rolleyes:
Splash1
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if it was up to me i would reset the perk points every map change!
it sucks flying and only encountering jets! :(
RESET THE PERK!
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Personally ... I would too ... even though I had a little too much fun last night flying the Tempest (what a wickedly uber prop!). But I was told I'd be hung by my pubic hairs over a vat of boiling benzine if I made a noise to the authorities.
So I suggest flying a Temp. It's a delightfully nasty plane that can do everything well ... turn, climb like a rocket, accelerate, it's fast, it has punch, can carry 2k ord ... and any 262 pilot that gets overconfident with one being driven by a cool hand will find itself grounded.
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The "E" wing Spit IX and Spit XVI were used untill April 1945, so it may not have a Merlin 66 but it has the right armament, so I guess it all comes out in the wash.
The AH Spit IX does approx 320 mph at sea level. The 1945 Spit IX and XVI did about 360 mph at sea level. The AH Spit IX has a max climbrate of about 3800 ft/min. The 1945 Spit IX and XVI have a max climb rate of about 5500ft/min.
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Im not disputing your #s but its worth noting that the P-51D, P-51B and Mosquito VI aslo used 150 octane fuel at some point, not just the Spit IX.
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today i was in the CT..and the perk multiplier was at (.28)...whats the deal..i mean the 262 was at about 38 perks or 48 perks cant remeber......i only had like 20 perks..and flew a tempest and lost it casue i kill shooterd my self....hehe..but anyway...i fly a couple missions and get a number of kills and even jabo a factory a couple of times..and what that gave me was a STAGGERING 2.56 give or take a few,all together giving me about 4 WHOLE perks...so its almost impossible to fly anuther tempest or 262 by the end of the week..so that just rules out the fun of having P51Ds fight my 262s...or my tempest fighting a 262...:eek: but other than that the set up is great ! :D
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Where the hell is the P-38?
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Originally posted by Slash27
Where the hell is the P-38?
lost in transit near either greenland or some undisclosed south pacific island... your choice.
;)
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Originally posted by 327thBS
today i was in the CT..and the perk multiplier was at (.28)...whats the deal..i mean the 262 was at about 38 perks or 48 perks cant remeber......i only had like 20 perks..and flew a tempest and lost it casue i kill shooterd my self....hehe..but anyway...i fly a couple missions and get a number of kills and even jabo a factory a couple of times..and what that gave me was a STAGGERING 2.56 give or take a few,all together giving me about 4 WHOLE perks...so its almost impossible to fly anuther tempest or 262 by the end of the week..so that just rules out the fun of having P51Ds fight my 262s...or my tempest fighting a 262...:eek: but other than that the set up is great ! :D
Actually I've began the week with 35 perks and now I have 35. I've lost 1 262 in collision with b-26 (bailed ;) ). -9.5 perks (get 1 pony and 2 b26s kills before in 262)
I've get some kills and even 1 262 in pony (3.5 perks). Thus flying couple of hours (ok maybe 5 hours) I've get 10 perks (-3.5 for 262).
I do not see real problem with perks - at least I see a lot of players flying 262 - even too much
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Originally posted by artik
at least I see a lot of players flying 262 - even too much
they're practicing for kurdesh.. or something...
;)
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Originally posted by Shane
they're practicing for kurdesh.. or something...
;)
1st Kadesh
Second - :rofl
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[SIZE=12]NO P-38????[/SIZE]
Well color me red and smack me arse with a frozen muckaluck. I'll add it tonight when I get home from work... unless another CT admin sees this msg before I get home. :D
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[size=10]38 perks to fly a 262???[/size]
Yep, side/perk balancing is on.
Just to clarify with everyone, the reason it's on is to make sure everyone doesn't hop on the Axis side and ride their 262's and 163's like a swarm of masketies on a warm summer day in Mississippi. I wanted to make sure those two beasts weren’t overused. Until the perk points are adjusted from my setup (Skuzzy?), it'll stay on. Hopefully they'll be fixed for Tuesday squad night.
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I think the perk costs are perfectly fine. Everything is working great!
To all the Allies complaining about the 163s and 262s...
What you want us to maybe fly a 190D9 or 109G10 in a low slow turn fight with all those Tempests and Spits14s? Give it a rest!
Besides doing a low slow turnfight in a 163 against a Spit14 is a hell of a lot of fun!
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Everything does work great. Who's complaining about `em? I did say in the chat buffer that it seemed kinda gamey and pathetic for you and Deej to want to use the Komet as an on-the-deck turn-fighter when that's not what it was designed for. It kinda ruins immersion and is pretty much MA mentality. But on reflection I think it's funny as hell. How many perks does that rocketship cost on average? I'm willing to sacrifice a Temp now and then just to watch two or three Komets auger or get shot down in a ground level furball. Even funnier when a Kometdweeb runs outa fuel, bails and gets shot in his chute then whines about it.
:D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Everything does work great. Who's complaining about `em? I did say in the chat buffer that it seemed kinda gamey and pathetic for you and Deej to want to use the Komet as an on-the-deck turn-fighter when that's not what it was designed for. It kinda ruins immersion and is pretty much MA mentality. But on reflection I think it's funny as hell. How many perks does that rocketship cost on average? I'm willing to sacrifice a Temp now and then just to watch two or three Komets auger or get shot down in a ground level furball. Even funnier when a Kometdweeb runs outa fuel, bails and gets shot in his chute then whines about it.
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Usually costs around 20 to 25 perks. As for the MA mentality and the immersion just how many WW2 fights were there between fields 20 miles apart at under 5000'?
It is a fun and challenging fight. The exact reason why we are all flying. Personally I think everyone should try fighting a Spit14 or a Tempest under 5000' in a 163. Definitely sharpen your skills!
As for watching us auger...
Deej is 17:1
I'm 9:2
Deej augered 1 163
I crashed one on landing when the cat jumped in my lap
I had one shot down while over friendly field by someone who just HAD to kill me.
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If Deej is 17:1 in his Komet then it wasn't an auger. Trust me on that. :D
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Well guys I have had an absolute blast. I started out with somewhere around 400 perk points. I started flying the 262 and the 163. The 163 is awsome 1 vs 1. I lost two or three just screwing around. I have also lost many Me-262s just screwing around with them as well. Even attacking the formation bombers, you must be very carefull...it aint easy to RTB in the 262.
...anyway, my perks are down to about 150 so Its back allied for the rest of the week. Maybe a another flight or two in the 262 and 163 later in the week. Its a good thing my squad nights we will be fling the P-51Ds...lol
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Deej augered 1 163
Augered my ass.
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Can I get a witness! Amen! :D
Though I admit he did get 2 of those Komet kills on me. One noe after I had already left the fight to land. That boy sure can stretch his cup o' fuel out. Maybe the German side should be limited to just the Komet. I wonder how well it would do overall then? ;)
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That boy sure can stretch his cup o' fuel out.
Yep, every time Id think he was out of fuel, here he would come. You couldnt let me leave with my 5 scalps could ya?:mad: So I shot his little rocket down.:D
He got me too though:(
:aok
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Wait .. I shot his little rocket down too. You sure it was him? I'm credited with his only Komet scalp. :(
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I went in first, he got the credit for me. I never asked if he went down. I only assumed he didnt make after the 10-12 20mm hits I saw on him before his 30mm ruined my Tempest:D
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Ahhh! Well I'm starting to think Komet hunts are the way to go. :D
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"What you want us to maybe fly a 190D9 or 109G10 in a low slow turn fight with all those Tempests and Spits14s? Give it a rest!"
Thats ok we understand the natural fear of RAF fighters :)
...Me262 and Me163, well, as long as the CT is "balanced" . Truth be told I like the setup just fine (perk issues aside), but I couldnt resist a poke.