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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ping on December 31, 2003, 04:35:19 AM
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/12/30/royals.baddog.reut/index.html
"Florence, a bull terrier belonging to Britain's Princess Anne, has attacked a royal servant only days after savaging one of Queen Elizabeth's dogs which had to be put down, "
Just wonderin, How can they be sure it was Florence and not Princess Anne?
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Bull Terriers are my favorite dog breed. They are awesome. I dont know why it attacked that servant, but the idiot probably had it coming.
He was just a servant anyways.
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Originally posted by Ping
Just wonderin, How can they be sure it was Florence and not Princess Anne?
Because most people can tell the difference between a dog and a horse.
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The lesson here is to stay away from Princess Anne if you don't want real trouble.:D
Les
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Originally posted by beet1e
Because most people can tell the difference between a dog and a horse.
Where I used to live years ago,my next door neighbor had a pair of English Dobermans which were almost as big as horses. They stood about 4' tall at the shoulder on all fours. And at least 7' tall on hind legs. They were the goofiest things I'd ever seen, and always seemed glad to see me. I'd try to pet them over the fence, when they stood up and placed their paws on my shoulders.
I had a female Doberman at my house, very docile and well behaved dog. She musta driven those Dobermans next door wild. They never jumped the fence, but I think they could have anytime they wanted. The fence was at least 6' high.
Les
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Originally posted by Animal
Bull Terriers are my favorite dog breed. They are awesome. I dont know why it attacked that servant, but the idiot probably had it coming.
He was just a servant anyways.
I wouldn't blame the dog because all this comes right down to the owner. I bet the princess brought it up to be a viscious dog and attack men. Aristrocracy is not immune to poor white trash it seems.
MiniD
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I lived on a corner property. One morning I woke up to a dog howling. I had never heard this dog before, but he lived next door and I had seen him. I was up early in the morning and listened to the howling for about 15 minutes before going outside. My neighbor's German Shepard had hung himself over a chainlink fence. It was literally choking to death. I went outside and ran over and extricated the dog from that situation, without even thinking it might try to bite me, it growled at first but then knew I was there to help him. I untangled that German Shepard from certain death. Don't know how it ended up in that situation, maybe it tried to jump the fence. But it had a leash and collar on.
Les
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Originally posted by beet1e
Because most people can tell the difference between a dog and a horse.
Any one can ride a horse... it takes a true aristocrat to look like one.
Brrrrrrhahahaha :lol
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So Princess Anne turns out to be a 'Homeboy'. Ya just never know anymore....
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"bull terrier" pit bull by any name needs a bullet.
dog bread for fighting has no place in the home.
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Lol more wise words from LDV..
Have you ever owned a pit? I have and they can be fine, its all the owner... not the dog.
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I agree with LDV on this one. Pits are just bombs waiting to go off.
"Mine was fine" means nothing. Anecdotal evidence is worthless. Look at the statistics on bites and deaths due to dog attacks. Do you see a pattern? And please don't give me a soliloque on the difference between the Staffordshire and the American Pit Bull. They are one in the same.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
"bull terrier" pit bull by any name needs a bullet.
dog bread for fighting has no place in the home.
Better kill all the Akitas, Shar-Pei's and Bulldogs too. All were used in fighting, and during their fighting term, bred for it.
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Bullet time.
Sorry but it has now attacked 2 people and savaged the queens dog.
After the first attack on a person it earned Anne the dubious honour of being the first royal to have a criminal record after she was prosecuted for failing to control the animal.
If it was anybody else but princess Anne the matter would not be up for debate, the dog would already have been ordered destroyed.
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so why didn't someone just shoot the damn thing while it was attacking?
oh... wait... nobody can have guns over there.... nevermind.
lazs
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The ones present at this incident most likely did have guns. They didn't have the heart to do it. Shooting a dog is unfamiliar territory for them. Plus it's dangerous and might take more than one shot.
Les
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Oh yeah I forgot... it's ok for the royals to have the protection of guns.... the peasants aren't capable of making good decisions tho.
lazs
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Didn't say that Lazs. I said it is stupid to shoot a dog.
Les
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not allways. some breeds can only be stopped by extreme violence. if a human is involved and in danger it is wise to kill the dog by whatever means. I have shot a few myself... police do it all the time.
lazs
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I think, with proper care, this dog can be rehabilitated. Sure, it's a killer.. so what? It's an individual! None of us know what a hard life it might have had early on in the litter, how the big pup might have picked on it.
Put it in a correctional institution, give it a chance to interact with other prisoners, get some regular exercise, watch a little TV. Than move it on to a half-way house when the parole board decides it is ready. If it does well there, give it back to Princess Anne and let it rejoin society as a useful companion pet.
You folks seem pretty anxious to send it to the chair, with some even promoting doggy genocide against an entire breed.
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"tis true, dogs a fine meal"
mel gibson; the patriot
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Friend of mine had a pit bull. He raised it with all the love and care anyone could. I happened upon him one fine day as he was walking his dog on a leash. As we were chatting, the dog casually tilted his head over, and without so much as a growl went for my leg. I had been watching the dog as we talked, because I don't trust the breed- boy am I glad I was. I pulled back >just< fast enough, and he only got pant leg. My friend tried to pull him off, and wound up pounding fruitlessly on the top of the dog's head. The pants finally ripped and I was free.
Such a sweet, sweet dog.
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I know many dog owners that trust their dogs implicitly. My Dad had friends years ago that owned a doberman. They lived down the street and often babysitted my sister from the time she was two until she was four. She was around this dog alot and played with him frequently. I played with the dog too and he seemed very friendly.
One day the dog was loose from his yard and came to our house. He was with my younger brother (then 13) and my sister (then 4) in the unfenced backyard when for some reason no one ever understood attacked her viciously. Had not my brother been nearby and grabbed the dog he no doubt would have killed her. She had to have over 100 stitches in her head alone.
I will never trust another doberman.
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And i hope it got a bullet for its trouble.
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with large dogs with powerful jaws... it is best to exercise caution around them.
when I see two or three large dogs running wild in the fields and they come toward me fanning out... I really don't want to figure out what they are up to. I get back in the truck if possible. if not.... I put a bullet in the lead dog. If I get in the truck and they attack the truck... I roll down the window and shoot em... preferably in the gut so that they make it bake to the owners place.
This may sound cruel but is standard practice in farm and sheep/cattle land.. it is best to get a gut shot or leg shot so that you can track the dog back to it's owners doublewide and get the authorities out to charge him and get re-imbursed for the sheep/cattle his pack of "freerange" dogs have killed or damaged.
if you don't get a good shot or the dog has the bad grace to die from the gutshot or having it's leg blown off.... standard practice it to hang the carcass on the barbed wire fence closest to the road.
lazs
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Originally posted by Kieran
As we were chatting, the dog casually tilted his head over, and without so much as a growl went for my leg. I had been watching the dog as we talked, because I don't trust the breed- boy am I glad I was. I pulled back >just< fast enough, and he only got pant leg. My friend tried to pull him off, and wound up pounding fruitlessly on the top of the dog's head. The pants finally ripped and I was free.
Such a sweet, sweet dog.
Kieren, that dog bit you because it could sense you were nervous and didnt like it, simple as that.
As an afterthought, yeah, some dogs are dangerous, and some will bight, some even need to be destroyed, especially if they are attacking livestock or people, but believe me, there is no better way to get a dog to attack you, than let it know by your behaviour/body langauge that you are afraid of it, or nervous because of it.
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Originally posted by lazs2
with large dogs with powerful jaws... it is best to exercise caution around them.
when I see two or three large dogs running wild in the fields and they come toward me fanning out... I really don't want to figure out what they are up to. I get back in the truck if possible. if not.... I put a bullet in the lead dog. If I get in the truck and they attack the truck... I roll down the window and shoot em... preferably in the gut so that they make it bake to the owners place.
This may sound cruel but is standard practice in farm and sheep/cattle land.. it is best to get a gut shot or leg shot so that you can track the dog back to it's owners doublewide and get the authorities out to charge him and get re-imbursed for the sheep/cattle his pack of "freerange" dogs have killed or damaged.
if you don't get a good shot or the dog has the bad grace to die from the gutshot or having it's leg blown off.... standard practice it to hang the carcass on the barbed wire fence closest to the road.
lazs
Man I want to live there, in the wild, untamed west.
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Won't wash, Bluedog. I was raised around dogs. I know better. I am not afraid of dogs, or I wouldn't have been anywhere near that animal. Thanks for the lesson on dogs anyway.
Some breeds are bred to be aggressive and kill. I don't know why you can't connect the dots.
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My thoughts are that if the dog attacks just cause it senses you're nervous, Time to get lazs in to take care of the dogs training.
Lazs Rehabilitation Services Inc. :)
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dobies are dangerous dogs.
all dogs are dangerous if you dont under stand them.
some even if you do.
pits dobermans and alot of setters and huskis all wolfdogs and akitas. are just knuckle heads and dont usualy do well in a home with women and children/strangers.
now a grown man can raise a wolfdog to almost doglike.
but just to him, anyone else gets the teeth or tail its freaky. they are bad news.
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Originally posted by Kieran
Won't wash, Bluedog. I was raised around dogs. I know better. I am not afraid of dogs, or I wouldn't have been anywhere near that animal. Thanks for the lesson on dogs anyway.
Some breeds are bred to be aggressive and kill. I don't know why you can't connect the dots.
OK, cool, obviously that wasnt the cause then.
Just a lotta times you see people piss and moan about viceous dogs when they are afraid of poodles and chihauahas, and I have seen otherwise very well mannered dogs, get quite aggressive and 'stand-over-ish' when people have displayed the wrong type of body langauge around them, from merely puffing their chest out and standing tall, to the extreme of actually attacking them.
I agree, btw, some breeds are indeed bred to kill and/or fight, joining the dots is simple, big broad head, short ears, short coat and deep chest, equals 'this dog is for hunting large angry animals, he is not a pet, and will bight people, dont keep him enclosed in your houseyard, or for that matter, in a city at all.'
Sorry if I misunderstood , it just looked like a simple case of a strong dog behaving naturally and dominating it's environment by being aggressive toward someone it thought was intimidated by it and that it could 'stand over'.
PS The Bull Terrier this thread started with should be put down, it would be dead by now if it wasnt owned by a Princess.
Bull terriers were bred to fight other dogs and should be banned IMHO, they arent even any good for hunting, they lack the stamina required.
Having said all that however, I still reckon it is the owner, more than the dog's breed which dictates how the animal behaves.
Stupid people shouldnt be allowed to own dangerous dogs.....especially stupid people with kids.
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I think a person should be directly responsible for their pet. By that I mean that if their pet attacks someone it should be treated as if the owner themself made the attack. Perhaps people would then be more careful with their dangerous pets?
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They're already liable. Remember the woman out in SF that went to jail when her dog killed another woman?
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That was an extreme case Toad and the woman got what? 6 years? If a vicious dog gets loose and kills someone the owner should do life.
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Originally posted by Toad
They're already liable. Remember the woman out in SF that went to jail when her dog killed another woman?
It was a couple.. convicted of 4th degree murder if I recall. I thinky funkypants knows more on that one.
MiniD
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Iron, remember that I'm an "accountability/responsibility" guy, OK?
But a drunk driver doesn't even get life if he takes out an entire family in a minivan.
Hold them accountable, to be sure..... but make it equitable. It's fine with me though if you want the Drunk Drivers to get life. Just give a little thought to the whole system though.
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I get a bit angry and perhaps unreasonable when it comes to some folks disregard and disrespect for others. A driver that kills someone as a result of drunk driving should suffer a harsh fate. I really see little difference between them and those that don't control their pets.
I've known a couple of guys over the years that kept big dogs and seemed to delight in intimidating people with them. They remind me a lot of a friend I had in junior highschool. He got off on pointing a loaded gun at his friends.
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As I said, it suits me. However, it's not the law of the land where you and I live and I sorta doubt it ever will be.
Holding people accountable for actions in their private life and administering equitable punishment is not one of our strong points.
And that goes for the white collar "impoverish 30,000 people and enrich myself beyond all measure" CEO's as well as drunk drivers and murderers.
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You're right Toad. Guess it does little good to rail against the machine. :(
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I like dogs well enough. They seem to like me. I have no tolerance for being attacked by em tho. I don't really care what the dogs motives are.
lazs
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Same here Lazs.
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animal... there is no law against shooting feral cats or dogs on your property if all firearms laws are obeyed. I work on a 500 acre area surrounded by miles of farm and ranch land.
cattle and sheep are expensive. the "dog breeder" who lets his large dogs run wild off his 5 acre chunk of dirt is a menace. Once dogs start killing in a "pack" they revert pretty quickly. Cats go feral in one generation. Sorry if this seems wrong to you but.... thats the way it is... just like that burger used to make moo noises.
lazs
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Originally posted by Toad
They're already liable. Remember the woman out in SF that went to jail when her dog killed another woman?
She's out on parole as of today.
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Originally posted by Animal
Man I want to live there, in the wild, untamed west.
Is that like...California?
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There ya go MT. Pretty much my point.