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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: dolomite on December 20, 1999, 09:57:00 PM
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Time for me to take a step back.
Been playing AH for a while now. I tend to check sides whenever I log on, and usually go to the low side, or whatever side is in the most trouble. This usually means being Knight.
Those numbers (during the hours I play) tend to run 2 or even 3:1 Bishop/Knight (or Rook/Knight) almost always. I'm just wondering how satisfying it can be to play on the side that is so overwhelming? How challenging?
*now a Bishop chimes in and says "but we only send some of them where you are!"*
No dice. Tonight that meant they had the luxury of hitting multiple bases. We had no chance to defend. Sure, there weren't all that many Bishops where I was (8 fighters, 2 B17's and a c47 against the 9 for our whole country). But they were hitting us in multiple areas, and the Rooks were hitting the north.
Inevitably one cannot leave any Knight field without getting vultched. Once in a while this is fine, even fun (witness the epic Knight/Rook 23 fight a few nights ago), but every night? In fact, it's a good thing there are Knights, so the other two countries can mount incredible kill strings (close Knights to a few fields and cap 'em all!). A lot of guys log at that point. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Don't get me wrong. I get my kills, and I have my fun, but this whole thing is starting to chap me a bit. This isn't a call for the Bishops/Rooks to leave Knights alone... that wouldn't be fun! But for crying out loud guys, is winning so important that you have to go to the overwhelming side?
Sure, some guys will say "we have squads that fly -yourcountry-". Why can't they fly the low side, whatever it might be that night?
Salute to the many good Bishop pilots I fought tonight- I got some of them, a few got me. This isn't a personal attack on any one person, in fact I like all the pilots I've seen. It's just an inescapable fact that rolling over the weak side with overwhelming odds night after night has to lose its luster after a while- it would to me. I realize this post is going to be met with derogatory comments and won't change a thing, but this is one hairball I had to cough up. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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well that's about the first time I've heard a nit pilot complaining about the Rooks and bishcuits. For about the past week it's seemed as though the nits and bishcuits have had some sort of unofficial pact, both sides attacking the Rooks. That's gotten so commonplace when I've been online that I've taken to adding the nit and bishcuit numbers together just to see how badly outnumbered we are. Granted I haven't been in the arena for a few days (having some sort of connect problem =( )
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Dolomite:
Firstly, I agree with you regarding the numbers per side. I fly bishops mainly (I think because of the pilots I've come to know there now).
Knights do seem like low numbers always (I'll have to re-think my one country flying habit to be sure now).
When I logged on tonite, the knights where attacking 15 (bishops got it somehow). Anyway, I immediately went there as it was un-defended. That fight lasted 2 hrs. or more and it was awesome (Yes, you blasted from the sky a good number of times (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
Anyway, I think the battle for 12 came about because of the long battle at 15....it drew some attention and gathered more bishops is my theory. I know at the beginning of the nite I was begging for help at 15. So as that battle dragged on, more folks showed up.
I don't think the Bishops set out to overwhelm the Knights when I logged...I think the battles just evolved that way because of the knife-fight at 15. I will say this...in the beginning of that fight Bishops were outnumbered at 15 and it was an awesome battle fought by both sides!
I do have to tip my hat to the Knights for always putting up a great effort every night despite their odds <S>
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Dolomite:
I flew for the Knights for most of the time I have played in AH until I joined the 129 VVS. Thus I have to point out two things about them. First of all as a knight you are there because you _like_ being outnumbred. Theres always a fight, and your always the rabbit.
Second of all, with such a small number of players you get to know everyone very quickly. Hence when 609 is bombing, Dallas and MarkAT are flying Stang, Farfax will usually be pulling in a gooney, all on the same field. Work your way into the niche and you will see they have an incredible teamwork system.
Thus having played with, and now against them, I have no sympathy for whining. It's not the knight's way. Shut up and keep fighting. Or join the Biscuits...
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If your in range, so is the enemy.
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Just make it a two-sided war and all these problems go away (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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C.O. Phoenix Squadron
www.users.bigpond.com/afinlayson/index.htm
'feel the heat .......'
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I fly for the Knights 97% of the time. I love being outnumbered. Sure I get vulched! And I will vulch! Fact of life.
I also enjoy the pilots who fly knights. Very good group. I jumped over to the Knights because they were always outnumbered. I enjoy flying in groups because 1 on 1 I am meat on the table! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Sometimes I'll fly on the outside of a battle. Other times I'll wade right on in 4 or 5 reds to help a fellow countryman.
To be a Knight you have to enjoy flying against the odds. There are rare times when the Knights will outnumber. I have seen the Knights outnumbered, having the most fields and holding them against attack!
I always want the Knights to be outnumbered. I like that type of fighting atmosphere.
Oh! I tried having a pact with the Bishes once during Sledghammer. I turned my back on them and they shot me down! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Just another fact of life! But never again! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
To anyone, when you see the Knights outnumbered! Hell, come join us and take a flight on the wild side!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
If I'm online get ahold of me, I'll fly with ya!!
Oh btw! Well said Cobra and Sorrow!!
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Damn Ghostrider! This bogey is all over me!!
[This message has been edited by Swager (edited 12-21-1999).]
[This message has been edited by Swager (edited 12-21-1999).]
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Thus having played with, and now against them, I have no sympathy for whining. It's not the knight's way. Shut up and keep fighting. Or join the Biscuits...
More-or-less what I expected. So let me ask you, why are you flying against them with all your incredible teamwork power? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) If you read my post... ah, never mind...
To Cave, Cobra, and Jekyll, thanks for the civil responses!
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Well, regardless of what anyone thinks about these "Under the Table Truces" or "Pacts".
In the air, a "Red is a Red" and a "Green is a Green". You just have to think to yourself, "I shoot them down or I get shot down by them". One can ussually tell by the location on the map, but not always, which team they might be fighting.
This two ICON color is one feature I believe is very good. It adds to gameplay balance. It is harder to gang one team, as opposed to having three ICON colors. Then you know for sure what team you are shooting.
Merry Christmas Everyone!
Mino
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Hehe, the main reason I chose to fly for the knights: if you run out of ammo, you can still open the canopy and shout "NI!...NI!...NI!..." this will scare the bad guys away...well sometimes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
but seriously, since we`re always outnumbered there is some kind of team spirit most of the time. If a new guy logs on he will most likely ask where he can help before jumping into a plane and roam around. I like that very much since I'm far too bad a fighter pilot to fly lone wolf missions (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
merry X-mas everyone !
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I'll have to try flying for the Knights...usually, I fly for whoever has fewer between bishops and rooks. When there's only two Knights, a bad piwwet like me can't "get lost in the crowd." (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) But you guys are doing a nice sell job for the Knights....
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Flathat
'Black Dahlia'
No10 RNAS "The Black Flight"
Angel on your wing, devil on your tail
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I dont mind flying for Knights one bit. I have been online flying with Rooks 15, Bish 30,000 and Knights 1. :-)
I especially like it when im in my 51 or 109 at A30, with reds capping a base. Easy pickings :-) diveNclimb.. diveNclimb. Then when outta ammo, with NO kills, I run home :-)
Central
Dickweed FG
http://bombergroup.com (http://bombergroup.com)
Also must bring up, have any of you fought heads up with another 17 in a 17? Was a blast, who ever that was! :-)
[This message has been edited by Central (edited 12-21-1999).]
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I don't mind flying for Knights, Rooks, or Bishops, and I do fly all. My point (missed by some) is the desire to see a bit more parity in numbers. Anything else gleaned from the original post was beyond its intention. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I love flying for Knights. Always the smaller, outnumbered group, easier to find people to fly formation since lone-wolf the chances are slim. As well you get to know them pretty quickly, it's not a mass-grunt on-slaughter thing but skillfull snatching of unguarded fields. Yes, it's not good for your score but the satisfaction is higher ;-))
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I started AH as a Bishop, and made the switch to Knight recently. Flying for Knights is more like flying for a fair sized squad with good team work, and good pilots.
Camel
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I switch sides to fight different people. It gets boreing fighting the same guys all the time.
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OK...flew for the Knights tonite and had a blast (but being in this sim for me is usually a blast).
I know the Knights sweeped through fields tonight, but the teams were balanced on all 3 sides. I think the Knight numbers caught the bishops and the rooks off-guard abit, as they were still focused on their usual on-going battles.
Anyway, Dolomite's post got me to thinking about making the numbers more even and it was fun.
Now for the mercy-begging I must do from my friends in the Bishops....pls forgive my excursion to the land of the Knights (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
In all seriousness, I really don't know which is better for play-balance..2 or 3 sides..I do know that when all sides are close to even numbers, it can get very interesting.
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cc that, Cobra! It was fun flying on your side, and we did have fun! Wish I could have stayed longer (long work days right now). Took my trusty 109 up for a spin (preparing for the Thursday battle) and with the help of my countrymen I survived a few sorties in it.
See you on the low side tonight! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Yes, Yes, Yes...
The lowly Knits are starting to get annoying. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Merry Christmas!
Mino
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I Wouldn't go say as knit that they are "outnumbered", it depends alot!
usually knights captures couple fields for free before bishcuits/rooks even notices them...
After that fight turns into 2 countries vs. 1 country, where main battle usually goes between bishcuits and rooks, where knits just haves fun in the background with minimal resistance..
I Have many times seen numbers like 25 bishcuits and rooks, plus 10 knights.
Main battle somewhere between bishcuit/rook front and "outnumbered" knights having maybe 2-3 rooks trying to defend one field from 10 knights who all are around it.
Call that being 'outnumbered', hah!
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The call is for even numbers, not country against country. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I was on Knights one night when you came over to "help". As I recall you basically came over and just harangued everyone on the radio then left. I don't know what you see during the hours you fly, but I've yet to ever see the Knights outnumber either side (during the hours I fly).
You obviously have a problem with Knights in particular. You posted a few days ago in a similar thread, but pretty much accused both sides (Bishop/Knight) of an alliance. Whether or not it existed makes no difference. The original post is about avoiding that situation regardless of country.
[This message has been edited by -kier- (edited 12-22-1999).]