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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Lazerus on January 01, 2004, 08:25:25 PM
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Does someone have that link to the website that listed the capers of Hillary Clinton?
Did a search and can't find it.
Thx in advance.
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found it (http://www.earstohear.net/hillary.html)
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or was it this one
http://www.bushlies.com/
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or this one
http://www.weblog.nohair.net/archives/000388.html
was she in on the patriot act. ?
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15541
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
or was it this one
http://www.bushlies.com/
Now theres a credible and unbiased source if I ever saw one.
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Originally posted by Lazerus
found it (http://www.earstohear.net/hillary.html)
Thats pure BS... The worst they come up w/ is more pathetic sex scandals.. Even if any of it were true, we dont see Hillary sending US troops to DIE for american corporate interest...
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Well Kappa, if I am to believe that, I must conclude ol' Bill sent cruise missiles into Iraq to draw attention away from his own political misfortunes. BTW, those missiles killed people...
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Originally posted by Kieran
Well Kappa, if I am to believe that, I must conclude ol' Bill sent cruise missiles into Iraq to draw attention away from his own political misfortunes. BTW, those missiles killed people...
I fail to see your point... Was ol' Bill targeting anti-sex toy militant groups??
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I fail to see how any guy could think Hillary would make a good president. She is just a negative minded, unhappy old lady.
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Originally posted by NUKE
I fail to see how any guy could think Hillary would make a good president. She is just a negative minded, unhappy old lady.
I've yet to say she would... Perhaps I missed that one. What do you use to judge her a negative and unhappy person??
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She's not unhappy...she's just a Marxist.
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Originally posted by Rude
She's not unhappy...she's just a Marxist.
Whats your def. for a Marxist??
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Just more Hillary hating. For no other reason than the Rush Limbaugh's of the world say so.
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I think most of it can be found on Snopes.
Charon
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Just more Hillary hating. For no other reason than the Rush Limbaugh's of the world say so.
ya, i figured as much.. Just thought I would attempt some discussion of the rethoric... Seems everyone is just able to bash her w/ one sentence.. I, myself, have never been able to figure the hate for her... I can only figure it must be some right wing fear thing... First women president would be left wing, some just couldn't handle that??
LoL that website linked here said she was putting 'illegal sex toys' on the whitehouse crim'us tree.. lmao Sounds very legit!!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Just more Hillary hating. For no other reason than the Rush Limbaugh's of the world say so.
It's always Rush's fault isn't it?
I don't hate anyone, but I do not like anything about Hillary and her negative barking.
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Originally posted by NUKE
It's always Rush's fault isn't it?
I don't hate anyone, but I do not like anything about Hillary and her negative barking.
What negative barking?? Such as??? just curious...... 8)
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Originally posted by kappa
ya, i figured as much.. Just thought I would attempt some discussion of the rethoric... Seems everyone is just able to bash her w/ one sentence.. I, myself, have never been able to figure the hate for her... I can only figure it must be some right wing fear thing... First women president would be left wing, some just couldn't handle that??
LoL that website linked here said she was putting 'illegal sex toys' on the whitehouse crim'us tree.. lmao Sounds very legit!!
I have never been able to figure out what people see in Hillary that makes them feel she would be a good President.
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I hope the democrats nominate her to run for their party in every presidential election beginning now. It'll be great for the country.
Hillary in '04!
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so really the whole point was to try and dig up dirt for the apperently unreasoned hate you already have for the woman.
i know you wont listen to me but. who told you to hate her?
we already know there is no substantial reason except sex toys ? and negativity ( irony here in this thread is not missed)
to who tells you your oppinions this week neocons?
and do they need oxicontin to live with themselves?
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Go easy guys, she doesn't even have the party's nomination yet. Sheesh, I bet you're no good at the rope-a-dope in AH either. ;)
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
and do they need oxicontin to live with themselves?
lmao too funny
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Originally posted by kappa
lmao too funny
That's better than being home schooled by inbred morons like you two :)
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Originally posted by NUKE
That's better than being home schooled by inbred morons like you two :)
lol Nuke... that your best shot?? 'home schooled'??!!?!?:rofl :rofl :rofl
or wait.. I missed inbred... thats really good!!
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Originally posted by kappa
lol Nuke... that your best shot?? 'home schooled'??!!?!?:rofl :rofl :rofl
or wait.. I missed inbred... thats really good!!
It was a short sentence, I'm surprised you missed one of the main adjectives...
Oh wait, Im not surpised at all :)
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O nuke your so tough!!
silly lil boy.. I missed no 'adjectives'...........
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Ya know the real trick when Hillary runs is gonna be to sandbag enough so that she'll keep coming back.
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lay off her
Hillary is a sweet & caring lady
she has great legs too .... :rofl
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That 's it Eagler. ;)
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Originally posted by kappa
I fail to see your point... Was ol' Bill targeting anti-sex toy militant groups??
I'll make it real easy for you then...
Bill Clinton sent more cruise missiles into more countries than any president before him, including Iraq. Now... if you are going to presume Clinton had a good reason to do it, you can also assume GWB has reason to send troops in. IF you are asserting GWB only wants contract money for Haliburton (because of course there is no other possible reason), why did Clinton shed innocent blood in Iraq?
The tie-in for Bill to Hillary is obvious. She was an unelected member of his Cabinet. She was largely the brains behind Bill's presidency. Think of it as a "Dick/George" situation. So, just why did Hillary back sending cruise missiles into the innocent Iraq, killing civilians?
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i love double speak.
you say make it simple then go off on some tangent of twisted logic.
what was that line about zelots again?
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It wouldn't be fair to say that I hated Bill Clinton...at least, not as a person. Politically, it would be hard to classify him as either conservative or liberal. He would be more realistically classified as an opportunist, taking any stance that was to his political advantage. For instance, I firmly believe that he unconditionally supported the women's rights movement. However, this did not prevent him from exploiting women, both sexually and politically, at every opportunity. He was as reckless with his philandering as JFK, whose minions had to spirit a female bombshell of a spy from east Germany out of the country to prevent a major scandal.
I digress. I didn't hate Clinton. He accomplished some good as president. But this good was more than outweighed by the scandals that dogged his administration. And I'm not talking about the sexual scandals either. The personal files of 700 prominent republicans that the FBI turned over to the White House were an enemies list larger than Nixon's. That scandal alone should have made a bigger splash with the press and the public than it did. No one was ever held responsible for this or any of the other oderous escapades that came to light. Heads never rolled in the Clinton administration.
The people from his home state knew his character well. His detractors, and some of his supporters as well, called him "Slick Willie" for good reason. It seems like some of you big-city progressive types still haven't caught on.
As for Hillary, she isn't as personable as Bill, and doesn't try to be. She doesn't hold her cards as close to the vest as her hubby, seemingly unconcerned whether or not the electorate knows her true political views or not.
Beware. She is so radically liberal that her brain no longer possesses a right hemisphere.
Shuckins
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Originally posted by Kieran
I'll make it real easy for you then...
The tie-in for Bill to Hillary is obvious. She was an unelected member of his Cabinet.
Let me make this REAL easy for you. Name 1 (just 1) cabinet post that an election is required? At least Hillary did not have an astrologer on 24 hour call or have a drug rehab named after her. :rofl
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Please, just one example of something Hillary actually DID that could foster such hatred.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Please, just one example of something Hillary actually DID that could foster such hatred.
She uh.. uh.. she married Bill!
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hehe, ok then... two.
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1984 references and new age, sensitive men in touch of their feminine side coming to the rescue of a women who has a bigger dick than them.
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MT, no one is ever going to convince you to not love Hillary. I don't think it's my job to do so for that matter.
I don't trust her. I don't like her politics. What more reason do I need?
Anyway, Kappa is playing the ol' "War for oil" mantra, completely disregarding the previous administration's transgressions WRT warring with Iraq. Either both admins were right, or they were both wrong.
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"I like Fidel Castro and I like his beard too!"
-Bob Dylan
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Originally posted by Kieran
MT, no one is ever going to convince you to not love Hillary. I don't think it's my job to do so for that matter.
I don't trust her. I don't like her politics. What more reason do I need?
Anyway, Kappa is playing the ol' "War for oil" mantra, completely disregarding the previous administration's transgressions WRT warring with Iraq. Either both admins were right, or they were both wrong.
Looking for where I said I loved Hillary..... nope.
I just don't understand the hatred. Lots of people out there who I distrust or disagree with. But no one seems to raise the ire of people like Hillary. Additionally most if not all of the "reasons" seem to be either "because I do" or based on dubious facts someone has heard.
My theory is that people are mostly just unable to warm up to a strong willed woman. Especially if she is a liberal.
Bill's actions WRT Iraq were appropriate for the times. GWB's actions may be appropriate also, based on the truthfulness of his "evidence"..... TBD.
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"Bill's actions WRT Iraq were appropriate for the times. GWB's actions may be appropriate also, based on the truthfulness of his "evidence"
When Bill repeatedly said Iraq had WMDs was he wrong or right? From what source did he receive this information and how truthful was his "evidence"? What did it consist of?
When Hillary made her October 10, 2002 speech on the floor of the Senate saying Iraq had WMDs. Was she wrong or right? From what source did she receive this information and how truthful was her "evidence"? What did it consist of?
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My theory is that people are mostly just unable to warm up to a strong willed woman. Especially if she is a liberal.
See, there ya go. I have seen you state this several times, and I have seen people give you very clear and explicit reasons for disliking Hillary. You will then ignore them and say, "See? People just don't like a strong willed woman in leadership!" You've made up your mind about bias, and you aren't listening, therefore I personally don't feel a strong need to enumerate any reasons for disliking Hillary. You'll ignore them anyway.
There are plenty of examples of women in leadership that would not draw the ire Hillary has. In recent history, Eleanor Roosevelt would be a prime example of an activist First Lady, and she was largely revered. She was every bit as forceful as Hillary, but she had one quality (at least) Hillary totally lacks; a genuine desire to help others before herself.
Gyro- exactly. The same intelligence agencies were used in both cases, and it is clear Clinton believed strongly enough there were WMD capabilities in Iraq. Why else would he have attacked them with cruise missiles? If Bush followed the same intelligence agencies and entered Iraq, why is it this is war for oil? Either they were both right, or they were both wrong.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I hope the democrats nominate her to run for their party in every presidential election beginning now. It'll be great for the country.
Hillary in '04!
i hope you will have 'mad cows' disease under control, when she get power
:D :D :D
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Either they were both right, or they were both wrong.
Let me play devil's advocate for a moment...what if the strikes by Clinton DESTROYED the WMD and their production facilities. What would have been left for Bush to attack? Hmmm, could Bill be the better CIC by quietly taking out the threat?
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"what if the strikes by Clinton DESTROYED the WMD and their production facilities"
I would think Bill would have wanted to take credit for it, if that was the case. Something he never claimed was accomplished.
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Originally posted by Gyro/T69
"what if the strikes by Clinton DESTROYED the WMD and their production facilities"
I would think Bill would have wanted to take credit for it, if that was the case. Something he never claimed was accomplished.
Bill never was one to take credit for or care about anything other than doing the right thing for his country.
He was an unselfish, great leader.
I would compair Bill Clinton to Churchill.
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Hmmm.... NUKE, are you OK? Your pupils are dialated and you aren't blinking...
You're scaring me.
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Originally posted by Airhead
Hmmm.... NUKE, are you OK? Your pupils are dialated and you aren't blinking...
You're scaring me.
Im never okay, how dare you say that!!!!!
How could I be okay when I live with the constant stench of cat urine in my house?
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Originally posted by NUKE
Bill never was one to take credit for or care about anything other than doing the right thing for his country.
He was an unselfish, great leader.
I would compair Bill Clinton to Churchill.
BWUAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Originally posted by Kieran
Gyro- exactly. The same intelligence agencies were used in both cases, and it is clear Clinton believed strongly enough there were WMD capabilities in Iraq. Why else would he have attacked them with cruise missiles? If Bush followed the same intelligence agencies and entered Iraq, why is it this is war for oil? Either they were both right, or they were both wrong.
That's not true, the evidence that Bill based his assumptions got old. And Bush manufactured other evidence and lied about it. It's not the same at all.
By your logic.
1950+ Dwight D Eisenhower: We have evidence that the Russkies are going to take over the world.
2002 Bush: We have evidence from the 1950's that the Russkies are going to take over the world. So we's better attack them.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
That's not true, the evidence that Bill based his assumptions got old. And Bush manufactured other evidence and lied about it. It's not the same at all.
By your logic.
1950+ Dwight D Eisenhower: We have evidence that the Russkies are going to take over the world.
2002 Bush: We have evidence from the 1950's that the Russkies are going to take over the world. So we's better attack them.
Hmmmmm 52 years vs 2 years? Are you saying there is no difference?
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"That's not true, the evidence that Bill based his assumptions got old. Bush manufactured other evidence and lied about it. It's not the same at all."
I'm sure the intelligence agencies just stopped gathering information at all at some point and then pulled out the old file Bill was using when Bush became prez, right? After all, there was no point in keeping an eye on what Iraq may or may not be doing, right?
I really am amazed; I didn't know our intelligence agencies basics their intelligence briefing from what Eisenhower said in the fifties. You'd think they would update the information from time to time, like every decade or so. Thanks for the information.
Yup, NUKE your right.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Hmmmmm 52 years vs 2 years? Are you saying there is no difference?
No, of course there's a differnce. Just like there is a difference between 2 years and 5 years.
Originally posted by Gyro/T69
I'm sure the intelligence agencies just stopped gathering information at all at some point and then pulled out the old file Bill was using when Bush became prez, right?[/B]
Wrong, the CIA and British intelligence's well dried up after the UN inspectors withdrew from Iraq in 1997, not when Bush became President. Both countries intelligence services were using the UN inspectors to gather intelligence. And both intelligence services warned thier respective administrations that the intelligence they had on Iraqi WMD was iffy because it was so dated. And the repective administrations decided to ignore the information for the intelligence services that they didn't want hear because it didn't fit in with thier policies.
MI-6 and CIA: We know he had WMD five years ago. It's probable that he still has them, but it's possible he doesn't because the data is old.
Blair and Bush: Iraq has WMD and can deploy them in 45 minutes.
MI-6 and CIA: WTF, that's not what we said and we don't like you twisting intelligence to suit your policies.
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Thrawn-
Ok, so you ARE saying there was cause for Clinton to fire cruise missiles. You are suggesting Clinton destroyed all WMD and related research. You have no problem with Clinton doing this at all, but when Bush uses virtually the same intelligence, it's bad. OK
BTW, no one went over Clinton's intelligence with a fine-tooth comb, now did they? Who's to say they didn't rely on exactly the same sources, in exactly the same manner, hm?
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Now you are flat-out fabricating your story. You have no idea what went on behind closed doors. You are in effect doing the very thing you are vilifying the administration for doing.
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Originally posted by Kieran
Ok, so you ARE saying there was cause for Clinton to fire cruise missiles. You are suggesting Clinton destroyed all WMD and related research. You have no problem with Clinton doing this at all, but when Bush uses virtually the same intelligence, it's bad. OK
Nah, what Clinton did was just as illegal under international law as what Bush did.
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Originally posted by Kieran
Now you are flat-out fabricating your story. You have no idea what went on behind closed doors. You are in effect doing the very thing you are vilifying the administration for doing.
Which part of what I said happened behind close doors?
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Nah, what Clinton did was just as illegal under international law as what Bush did.
Well, I can live with that. It's hard to get the far left to admit that little tidbit. Somehow though the world gave Clinton a pass for it. Why do you suppose that is?
As for the closed doors, you weren't present during the briefings. That makes your conversation supposition.
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Originally posted by Kieran
Well, I can live with that. It's hard to get the far left to admit that little tidbit. Somehow though the world gave Clinton a pass for it. Why do you suppose that is?
I imagine it's because some are hypocrits. For me I don't much see the point. It's not like there's any chance of Clinton being relected.
As for the closed doors, you weren't present during the briefings. That makes your conversation supposition.
Nah, my conversation is based off of open source documents, leaks and press releases from the intelligence services. But the proof is in the pudding right? Cripes. I'm suppose to go out in about 15 minutes. I imagine it will take me about an hour or so to relocate the docs. I'll hopefully post them here tomorrow evening.
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"MI-6 and CIA: We know he had WMD five years ago. It's probable that he still has them, but it's possible he doesn't because the data is old. "
Hmmmm so if MI-6 and the CIA could no longer get real intelligence out of Iraq they would telegraph this fact to Iraq via the pubic airways?
Or
Make this kind of statement to convince Iraq that they no longer had any intelligence gathering capabilities in their country?
Ohhhh BTW, when was it Bill when to the UN with proof of the WMDs before or after the the missle attack? I can't remember...
All I remember was a TV speech.
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You can keep on coming up with thousand of conspiracies regarding why MI-6 and CIA did or didn't do something. I'm not sure what it proves though.
One fact does remain, it certainly appears that any intel stating that there were WMD in Iraq, was pretty freaking wrong.
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"You can keep on coming up with thousand of conspiracies regarding why MI-6 and CIA did or didn't do something. I'm not sure what it proves though. "
I believe they where the primary source of information for what was going on in Iraq. I don’t believe either Bush or Clinton when to Iraq on a fact-finding mission to gather the information first hand. They had to base their decision on the information from the Intel community.
On one hand, according to you, Clinton’s Intel was dead on and Bush’s was a conspiracy. Clinton presented no proof to back up his claims. Bush did. No WMDs have been found to date so Bush has to be lying. There’s no way in hell he’s Intel was faulty, he just lied.
Which one of us is really into conspiracies?
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Originally posted by Kieran
See, there ya go. I have seen you state this several times, and I have seen people give you very clear and explicit reasons for disliking Hillary. You will then ignore them and say, "See? People just don't like a strong willed woman in leadership!" You've made up your mind about bias, and you aren't listening, therefore I personally don't feel a strong need to enumerate any reasons for disliking Hillary. You'll ignore them anyway.
There are plenty of examples of women in leadership that would not draw the ire Hillary has. In recent history, Eleanor Roosevelt would be a prime example of an activist First Lady, and she was largely revered. She was every bit as forceful as Hillary, but she had one quality (at least) Hillary totally lacks; a genuine desire to help others before herself.
Gyro- exactly. The same intelligence agencies were used in both cases, and it is clear Clinton believed strongly enough there were WMD capabilities in Iraq. Why else would he have attacked them with cruise missiles? If Bush followed the same intelligence agencies and entered Iraq, why is it this is war for oil? Either they were both right, or they were both wrong.
No explicit reasons given here or in the last thread I started with the same theme. If there are any I would love to see them.. care to point them out?
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Originally posted by Thrawn
I imagine it's because some are hypocrits. For me I don't much see the point. It's not like there's any chance of Clinton being relected.
Oh I dunno, maybe if you guys offered him the job as King of Canada he'd take it. Hey, we both win.
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reading this thead, it appear, that all US prezidents were/are criminals :D
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No, MT. Refer to my statement above. Search for your own answers, I think you have about as many of them as you're going to accept already.
Thrawn- don't bother, I've seen the leaks. It's finger-pointing at its finest. Bush exaggerated the threat to say the least, but saying it was a complete fabrication is way too far.
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I have seen people give you very clear and explicit reasons for disliking Hillary.
I have seen none. What were you refering to?
There are plenty of examples of women in leadership that would not draw the ire Hillary has. In recent history, Eleanor Roosevelt would be a prime example of an activist First Lady, and she was largely revered. She was every bit as forceful as Hillary, but she had one quality (at least) Hillary totally lacks; a genuine desire to help others before herself
One major difference would be the climate of the Country regarding the possible political future for women. Hence Eleanor's works will always look altruistic because they could not be construed as anything else, while Hillary's works even if they be similar would always be open to 2 interpretations. Either she is doing good, or she is trying to look good for political reasons. Hardly a reason to hate her in either case.
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...and that quickly you dismissed my point regarding Hillary. Thank you for making my point on your mindset, though.
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Hardly dismissed a point when none existed. I mearly suggested a possible reason for the different perception people had towards Eleanor Roosevelt.
OTOH You make the point that ER was "largely revered". Something that can also be said about Hillary Clinton (outside this BBS of course). See for example the latest Gallup Poll on the "Most Admired Woman in America".
You have also conveniently forgotten the enemies that Eleanor Roosevelt made through her activism. For example, Hoover hated her and her FBI file is one of the thickest on record. The extreme right wing thought she was surely a commie symp. Danggit... this all sounds soooooo familiar.
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Ah, but you miss the larger canvas. Golda Meir, Margaret Thatcher, how will you discount them? I merely gave you one example you immediately dismissed.
You also miss another salient point; I don't much care for any opportunistic politician, which was chief amongst my complaints of Ol' Bill. It isn't a gender issue at all where I am concerned, though you will remain firmly convinced it is.
It's a very convenient seat you've made for yourself, where you are the sole arbiter of what is pertinent and what isn't. Have fun discussing it with yourself.
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MT,
It might be easier for you to understand the animosity toward Hillary by pondering the following statement: It isn't a matter of Hillary being "perceived" as a left-wing radical by conservative Americans...rather, conservative Americans are "dead certain" that she is a left-wing radical.
If that is a misconception, it is one she has done little to dispel over the years. I am convinced that she was behind some of the more radical moves taken during the first two years of the Clinton administration which led to the conservative backlash during the Congressional elections of 1994. That led to Republicans gaining control of both houses of Congress for the first time in more than 40 years. After that hand-slap, Bill's administration adopted a more moderate tone for the remainder of his stay in office, or at least until the last couple of months, when he no longer had to fear the lash of conservative anger.
Regards, Shuckins
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She lied about her role in the firing of the White House travel staff. She basically had them all fired and put under investigation simply because She wanted one of her friends to earn the business of the travel staff.
I was disgusted with her expressions and "scoffing" attitude during Bush's State of the Union speech after 911
I don't find one thing I could say I admire or like about her. I don't know her and I could be dead wrong, but I percieve her to be dishonest and untrustworthy.
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"I was disgusted with her expressions and "scoffing" attitude during Bush's State of the Union speech after 911"
well most well placed washington people knew he was a lieing bastard at the time. your wanting to feel good about the "commander in chief" notwithstanding.
in retrospect she was more than justified in that one for shure he was lieing and knew it at the time.
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not to mention Vince Foster .... yep, she's a real caring soul as long as it is her soul she is caring for..
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Please, just one example of something Hillary actually DID that could foster such hatred.
She was born.
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Now here is something concrete.
She lied about her role in the firing of the White House travel staff.
From a TIME Article dated January 1996:
One of the sources of Mrs. Clinton's problems may be herself. In her 20/20 interview last week with Barbara Walters, the First Lady's answers were both forthright and unsatisfying. Did she demand the firing of the White House travel staff? Chief of staff Mack McLarty "took responsibility for the decision," she said. "I did not tell him to do anything." But while McLarty may have taken responsibility, it was administrative aide David Watkins who did the firings. And in the 1993 memo disclosed by the White House two weeks ago, Watkins wrote that he did it at her "insistence.'' As for McLarty, a 1993 note from White House aide Lorraine Voles, which emerged last week, suggested his motivation. Scribbling at a White House meeting, Voles wrote that Susan Thomases, a close friend of Mrs. Clinton's, told McLarty that HRC, meaning Hillary Rodham Clinton, "wants these people fired." And a McLarty chronology relating to the travel office has an entry, "May 16: HRC pressure."
Lied? Maybe. Evasive? Absolutely.
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Hmmm... sorry, but drawing a comparison to Eleanor Roosevelt just doesn't work. Let me explain why:
Eleanor handling the issue of negro pilots in ww2:
She insists that they should be put into combat... nobody was suprised by this from her.
How Hillary would have done it:
Hillary would have pretended she didn't say negros should still be slaves 1 year earlier as she triumphantly stood next to a black pilot for a photo shoot.
I'm not trying to say hillary was racist, but am trying to show her glaring political flaw. She champions causes she was slamming the week earlier because public sentiment has changed. Her presence at the NYPD Policeman's ball was a classic example, though I'm sure you'd insist the boos from the audience weren't really indicitave of an actual response to her presence there. Her holiday visits to a military she's been extremely critical of and subsequent complaints about a chilly reception are another example. But once again, I don't expect you to see it. Much like I don't expect you to see anything odd in an "we are fighting to keep our veteran's hospital open!" "announcement" on veterans day. No... hillary does things from her heart... what she feels is right... just like Eleanor did... right?
MiniD
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I guess you missed my post right above yours.
And I didn't compare her to Eleanor, Kieren did. I just commented on the comparison.
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Originally posted by kappa
Whats your def. for a Marxist??
: the political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx; especially : a theory and practice of socialism including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society
I don't have time to educate you regarding Hillary and her specific beliefs from her college years to the current day....if you interested in learning about what formed her opinions over the years, you might look into her background and her opinions regarding capitalism, the class system and what she believes the future of America should be.
You might be suprised....again, maybe not.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Just more Hillary hating. For no other reason than the Rush Limbaugh's of the world say so.
Not true MT....Hillary's views are radical...if you're not aware of that then try not to cast such a broad net next time.
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Maybe I did miss your point, but you're outright ignoring mine.
And... You actually cited Hoover as disliking Eleanor? Hoover? Just who DID he like? Who DID he trust?
She is and will always be one of the most revered women in U.S. history. It wasn't because she took a poll and then changed her beliefs to accomodate pollsters. It's not because she changed 180 degrees at the drop of a hat.
MiniD
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Now for those of you who find this to be right wing propaganda, ask yourselves this....is Dick Morris an outsider and a liar? Are the close friends of the Clinton's that I know also liars?
This woman has her roots in Marxist Ideology and radical change for our country and a one world government system...if that sounds good to you, then she's your gal....for me personally, I prefer the old fashioned United States, the Family, the Church and the community....all dying attributes, I still prefer them to her idea of utopia.
Let's Learn About Hillary (http://www.usasurvival.org/ck061903.shtml)
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Originally posted by kappa
Thats pure BS... The worst they come up w/ is more pathetic sex scandals.. Even if any of it were true, we dont see Hillary sending US troops to DIE for american corporate interest...
I visited Arkansas about 15 years ago and had a session with "Ma'dam Hillary the Dominatrix."
It was rather good experience...
She gave me a spanking for being a bad boy and put me in a cell with her other slave, Baaad Bill, who apparently had escaped and was molesting secretaries in hotel rooms in the middle of the night.
I remember this so well, because it was around Christmas time and she forced me to wear a bit and bridle and prance around like a horse while she rode on my back adoring the tree with sex toys and condoms...
It's uncomfortable at first, but she's a strong and firm woman... a master and commander able bodied to subdue even the most truculant miscreant.
Deja vu to the White House blue room years later...as Aldrich's book points out.
Hillary isn't hated for her libral political views. That's just a ruse by her archnemisis Ma'dam Pain (who happens to be the real power behind the Republican party). Hillary is feared for her command and prowress as a dominant woman in a society wrought with small minded noodle envy corperate execs - who thrill themselves with goat ejaculators... a result of years of conservatism and sexual repression and unenlightened reglious mass-culture programming.
Alas... the tinfoil is spinning....must go!
Never enough time to explain in depth the needed knowledge for understanding....
Back to Alpha Centari... got new earth specimens for the zoo master.
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"Now for those of you who find this to be right wing propaganda, ask yourselves this....is Dick Morris an outsider and a liar? Are the close friends of the Clinton's that I know also liars?"
Let me help you out here Rude....
Anyone that speaks ill of the Clintons is a liar, matters not who it is.
Any thing your friends say about the Clintons is hearsay and unsupported and of course lies.
Now go and sin no more.
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Originally posted by Rude
This woman has her roots in Marxist Ideology and radical change for our country and a one world government system...if that sounds good to you, then she's your gal....for me personally, I prefer the old fashioned United States, the Family, the Church and the community....all dying attributes, I still prefer them to her idea of utopia.
Excellent page.. In the first paragraph references including Whitewater, Filegate, Travelgate, and E-mailgate were given. I find it funny that one person can be (not convicted) accused of so many things and ability of right wing Fed. prosicuters to append such a descriptive name for each offense.. These names scream out the want for attention. Publicly attempting to bring memorable scandels to her name.. It has worked well..
Abit farther down the page is an attempt of the page's authur to have money sent for his continued Hilary bashing.. As if, 'Look, I'll bash her 24/7, just send me your money.. Funny..
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) believes in a world government under the auspices of the United Nations that will destroy American sovereignty and traditional families.
A world government? You could also view her actions as trying to oversee a more cooperating group of world governments.. In order for the world to live in peace, governments have to work and cooperate together. By promoting activities such as 'World Citizenship' does this not promote world harmony? I dont see it as a grab for world control and power as the page's author would try to make you believe.
A media black-out has kept most Americans in the dark about the support that Mrs. Clinton and her husband gave to the World Federalist Association (WFA), a controversial organization which openly advocates world government.
LoL They call it a media blackout.. Anything like the Patriot Act 2 being signed morning after SHs capture?? Patriot Act 1 & 2 was more of an errosion on america than HC or BillC every dreamed..
When Mrs. Clinton was urged not to attend the women’s conference in Communist China, because of human rights problems there, Abzug was among those saying she should go. [44] Mrs. Clinton went.
Just amazing that this would make it on the list of 'terrible things' she had done. Yes, she must be a communist to support a women's conference in china.. But alas the fear word still works... communism...
In Cuba, children are separated from their parents for extended periods of time and indoctrinated in Communist dogma.
Do they call it school?? Aren't all children indoctrinated in something? Are we to believe this author and assume Cuba is breeding thousands of little Carl Marxs everyday? Clearly soon they will amass the communist forces to overthrow the americas.. Just more fear preaching...
American students are becoming “global citizens” who lack knowledge of American history and American founding documents.
Fear speaks again.. As if american schools are teaching such things to start with. Jurors not only being able to judge the accused, but also can 'judge' the law. How many young children are taught that part of our founding documents? How many jurors?
A federal survey discovered that only 41 percent of 4th graders could correctly answer a multiple choice question on why the Pilgrims came to America.
I bet less than that could point to the Congo in Africa. Is that Hillary's fault too?
I dunno Rude.. The first paragraph full of sensationalism kinda sums up the whole page for me... Perhaps she does have her roots in change, but change is coming. Like it or not.. We can only hope and attempt to control that change so it is in favor of the basic American and not hte basic american corporation that is steadly raping and moving outta country. Our country is quickly erroding into car dealerships (built in canada/mexico) and super Wal-marts... I suppose some could blame all that on Hillary...
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Originally posted by kappa
They call it a media blackout.. [/i]
And ain't it odd that his web page hasn't been blocked or censored by the "media" blackout.
Fortunately, the internet is protected free speach where any crack potato, crack head, or just any quack may sprew off their own version of "truth." so sayeth my dog Sam! by the way what's your zodiac sign?
I think Hillary is Newt in drag.... what's my proof? Ever notice they are never in the same room... never in the same photograph... kind of like Clark Kent and Superman... oh my tinfoil hat is hot hot hot tonight! I'm picking up secret signals from my informants now... stand by! Must receive!
Oh! I do believe ... I believe!!! I doooo Believe!
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"LoL They call it a media blackout.. Anything like the Patriot Act 2 being signed morning after SHs capture?? Patriot Act 1 & 2 was more of an errosion on america than HC or BillC every dreamed.. "
Really, and how did Hillary vote on the Patriot Act ....Here's a clue, it wasn't no.
Also, read what the village voice thinks about the Patriot Act and what your other God, husband Bill had to do with it. Hardy a right wing publication.
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0331/mondo3.php
"Political observers often have wondered why Democrats, especially liberals, didn't put up more of a fight against the Patriot Act, which passed the Senate with only one dissenting vote. Many thought it was because Dems didn't have the guts to stand up, and were afraid both to look unpatriotic and to risk defeat at the hands of the mighty Bush. But there may be another reason: The Patriot Act enhances major incursions into civil liberties that were sponsored by Bill Clinton in 1994 and 1996, including the setting up of secret courts and the launch of mass deportations"
Please feel free to hightlight all the reasons she voted for it, when she knew deep down in her heart it was the wrong thing to do. But voted for it anyways.
"Our country is quickly erroding into car dealerships (built in canada/mexico) and super Wal-marts... I suppose some could blame all that on Hillary...
Hmmm...That sound alot like NAFTA....That would be her husband, Bill's fault...He signed it into law. But you knew that, right?
"Thats pure BS... The worst they come up w/ is more pathetic sex scandals.. Even if any of it were true, we dont see Hillary sending US troops to DIE for american corporate interest.."
How did she vote on giving Bush the authority to deal with Irag?
It sure the hell wasn't no. By voting yes, she did send US troops to DIE for american corporate interest.
Please feel free to hightlight all the reasons she voted for it, when she knew deep down in her heart it was the wrong thing to do. But voted for it anyways.
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you guys are desperatly rationalizing a hate you have carried around for years. ever wonder why so many hillery jokes so far back?
the (appointed) president is a drunk driver ,(ex)? cocain addict, deserter. and a lier to and unheard of degree in politics.
and your worried about whitewater and travelgate?
occams razor says her morality or politics is not what they (people who tell you your oppinions) are worried about.
women get behind her and republican party is done and they know it.
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Wrong, I am not rationalizing anything. I don't owe it to you to do so. If someone asks why I dislike/distrust her, I'll tell them. I don't really care if you believe it or don't. As far as hate is concerned, nope; I just don't want her in a position of authority.
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Hillary in '04! If not then how about 2008? I'm serious, she'll certainly get my support for the democratic nomination.
Do any of you lefties really believe she has even the remotest chance of ever becoming president? If so, there's still hope. :aok
I bet LDV believes it.
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Originally posted by Gyro/T69
"Now for those of you who find this to be right wing propaganda, ask yourselves this....is Dick Morris an outsider and a liar? Are the close friends of the Clinton's that I know also liars?"
Let me help you out here Rude....
Anyone that speaks ill of the Clintons is a liar, matters not who it is.
Any thing your friends say about the Clintons is hearsay and unsupported and of course lies.
Now go and sin no more.
I can see clearly now...thank you!
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Originally posted by kappa
Excellent page.. In the first paragraph references including Whitewater, Filegate, Travelgate, and E-mailgate were given. I find it funny that one person can be (not convicted) accused of so many things and ability of right wing Fed. prosicuters to append such a descriptive name for each offense.. These names scream out the want for attention. Publicly attempting to bring memorable scandels to her name.. It has worked well..
Abit farther down the page is an attempt of the page's authur to have money sent for his continued Hilary bashing.. As if, 'Look, I'll bash her 24/7, just send me your money.. Funny..
A world government? You could also view her actions as trying to oversee a more cooperating group of world governments.. In order for the world to live in peace, governments have to work and cooperate together. By promoting activities such as 'World Citizenship' does this not promote world harmony? I dont see it as a grab for world control and power as the page's author would try to make you believe.
LoL They call it a media blackout.. Anything like the Patriot Act 2 being signed morning after SHs capture?? Patriot Act 1 & 2 was more of an errosion on america than HC or BillC every dreamed..
Just amazing that this would make it on the list of 'terrible things' she had done. Yes, she must be a communist to support a women's conference in china.. But alas the fear word still works... communism...
Do they call it school?? Aren't all children indoctrinated in something? Are we to believe this author and assume Cuba is breeding thousands of little Carl Marxs everyday? Clearly soon they will amass the communist forces to overthrow the americas.. Just more fear preaching...
Fear speaks again.. As if american schools are teaching such things to start with. Jurors not only being able to judge the accused, but also can 'judge' the law. How many young children are taught that part of our founding documents? How many jurors?
I bet less than that could point to the Congo in Africa. Is that Hillary's fault too?
I dunno Rude.. The first paragraph full of sensationalism kinda sums up the whole page for me... Perhaps she does have her roots in change, but change is coming. Like it or not.. We can only hope and attempt to control that change so it is in favor of the basic American and not hte basic american corporation that is steadly raping and moving outta country. Our country is quickly erroding into car dealerships (built in canada/mexico) and super Wal-marts... I suppose some could blame all that on Hillary...
Kap....
If you like her and find her to be honorable in her intentions, that's great. I just do not agree.
The website I sent you to is just the first one that googled....however, a common theme is a Marxist approach to governing....plain and simple.....check Dick Morris out....he know's more about the Clintons than 90% of what's written out there. If you're good with Hillary then that's cool....I just think she's bad for our country and in the long run bad for all of us....we just disagree.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
you guys are desperatly rationalizing a hate you have carried around for years. ever wonder why so many hillery jokes so far back?
the (appointed) president is a drunk driver ,(ex)? cocain addict, deserter. and a lier to and unheard of degree in politics.
and your worried about whitewater and travelgate?
occams razor says her morality or politics is not what they (people who tell you your oppinions) are worried about.
women get behind her and republican party is done and they know it.
I don't hate anyone you dolt....calm down. Her political views are dangerous imo....that's as complicated as it gets for me.
As to hating folks....you might take a lookie at your statements regarding Bush....seems you might be the one hating someone?
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Originally posted by Rude
Kap....
If you like her and find her to be honorable in her intentions, that's great. I just do not agree.
The website I sent you to is just the first one that googled....however, a common theme is a Marxist approach to governing....plain and simple.....check Dick Morris out....he know's more about the Clintons than 90% of what's written out there. If you're good with Hillary then that's cool....I just think she's bad for our country and in the long run bad for all of us....we just disagree.
Rude, you could be correct.. I dont claim to know it all.. I dont claim that she would be a god send to america... Personnaly, I just have not seen actions to cause such hate and contempt for her. I dont understand how some can support America's government at present and with the same breath damn the earth HC walks on. Perhaps there are no lesser of two evils left in american politics... Was it jefferson that wrote a revolution was healthy every few hunderd years??
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
"I was disgusted with her expressions and "scoffing" attitude during Bush's State of the Union speech after 911"
well most well placed washington people knew he was a lieing bastard at the time. your wanting to feel good about the "commander in chief" notwithstanding.
in retrospect she was more than justified in that one for shure he was lieing and knew it at the time.
I was refering to Bush's Sept 20th, 2001 State of the Union. What was Bush lying about? Did he lie that the WTC had been attacked?
Well Hillary sure was pissed about something during the speech.
read it here, it's a GREAT speach
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/20/gen.bush.transcript/
By aiding and abetting murder, the Taliban regime is committing murder. And tonight the United States of America makes the following demands on the Taliban:
-- Deliver to United States authorities all of the leaders of Al Qaeda who hide in your land.
-- Release all foreign nationals, including American citizens you have unjustly imprisoned.
-- Protect foreign journalists, diplomats and aid workers in your country.
-- Close immediately and permanently every terrorist training camp in Afghanistan. And hand over every terrorist and every person and their support structure to appropriate authorities.
-- Give the United States full access to terrorist training camps, so we can make sure they are no longer operating.
These demands are not open to negotiation or discussion.
(APPLAUSE)
The Taliban must act and act immediately.
They will hand over the terrorists or they will share in their fate. I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah.
(APPLAUSE)
The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself.
The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends. It is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists and every government that supports them.
(APPLAUSE)
Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there.
It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated.
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and that is why he'll be POTUS for another term - God help us if he isn't...
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Originally posted by kappa
Rude, you could be correct.. I dont claim to know it all.. I dont claim that she would be a god send to america... Personnaly, I just have not seen actions to cause such hate and contempt for her. I dont understand how some can support America's government at present and with the same breath damn the earth HC walks on. Perhaps there are no lesser of two evils left in american politics... Was it jefferson that wrote a revolution was healthy every few hunderd years??
I can tell you why people hate HC and GWB...their ignorant. There is nothing to hate in either person....their policies may be disagreed with or their character questioned, but hated?
Ignorance breeds hate....the lack of facts and truth regarding all issues is what divides us...if opinion was factual, we would all be doomed:)
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Hillary didn't scoff at the 9-20-01 speech. You have been duped by the Rush's of the world.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Hillary didn't scoff at the 9-20-01 speech. You have been duped by the Rush's of the world.
I watched it MT...you really going to defend that?
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Sure.
If you had a camera on your face constantly, do you think I could pick and choose expressions that made you look "scoffing or indignant"? I mean, you might just be clearing your throat, but the expression might look like pain... are you in pain? Did the main stream media mention Hillary?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Sure.
If you had a camera on your face constantly, do you think I could pick and choose expressions that made you look "scoffing or indignant"? I mean, you might just be clearing your throat, but the expression might look like pain... are you in pain? Did the main stream media mention Hillary?
That's weak my friend.:)
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That "eye-rolling" clip is pretty famous... nearly as famous as "I did not have sex..."