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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: beet1e on January 03, 2004, 12:40:31 PM
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I've just been reading banana's thread (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=105028), in which the use of auto takeoff is discussed amongst other things. So I have a question: How many of you dweebs out there use the stall limiter? The reason for asking is simple. In WB, the MA used to allow the player the choice of whether to select stall limiter on or off. It's worth noting that in WB, enablement of the "stall limiter" was known, quite correctly in my view, as "EasyMode™" :lol;) Well, there came a time when the decision was made to turn it off, so guys no longer had the EasyMode option in the online arena...
...and there was one almighty "WAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH" in the arena, as folks realised that their stick settings would not work in DiffiMode. The scale of whining led me to believe that at least 50% of the arena attendance had been made up of "pilots" operating in EasyMode. The trainers had their work cut out helping the dweebs adjust their stick settings.
I don't have stall limiter enabled, but auto combat trim is on. (To be honest, I'm not sure what it does or what difference it makes)
So what are your settings? Stall limiter on or off? What about combat trim? And what about auto takeoff?
Maybe you're a quadruple EasyMode pilot - stall limiter on, auto combat trim, auto takeoff, and choice of plane = N1K. :rofl
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I don't use stall limiter or auto takeoff. I actually make a point of making fun of people that I see use auto takeoff. When I see new people come in, first thing I tell them is disable stall limiter. I do use combat trim, however... hope that doesn't make me too much of a dweeb. Also hardly ever fly n1k. :)
Neckbone
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Never tried it, but I suspect it sucks as much as combat trim and is more of a hindrance than a benefit.
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No auto takeoff or stall limiter here. I do have combat trim on by default, but all the trim commands are mapped to my flight stick so i can adjust trim when necessary.
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I use auto takeoff and also do without it. As an example, when I rearm auto takeoff does not kick in. I guess one could "make fun" of those who use it but I don't see the point. It's not like taking off w/ out auto takeoff is difficult.
I use combat trim in flight but in a fight I often have it turned off; use my elevator trim a lot
Stall limiter is off... heck there are times when stalling is just what you need. Also, I know I'm in a tough spot, whether in the vert or turning, if the stall warning is howling. Can you ride so close to the edge of a stall w/ the limiter on? (Never had it on so I really don't know)
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First time I experienced the stall limiter was when I checked out the TA once and noticed my C.205 was turning like a 747. It castrates a fighter IMO.
It took me a lot longer to figure out that combat trim does almost the same thing in a turn fight - it resists hard manuevers.
As for auto-takeoff, what difference does it make how you take off? Who are you trying to impress? Of course, it just don't work with a heavily loaded F4U on a carrier deck.
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Originally posted by Tabasco
As for auto-takeoff, what difference does it make how you take off? Who are you trying to impress?
Tabasco has it all exactly right. Especially this last part, and I'll offer "only themselves" as the answer to the question.
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Then again, some of us just might enjoy manually taking off, and couldn't care less whether anyone else does or not.
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i don't use the stall limiter.
i do use combat trim for most part.
i do use auto-takeoff, but can and do takeoff without it.
ever notice how in some planes the combat trim doesn't really? case in point, F6F. it really, really wants to climb and flop over with combat trim on at slower speeds. in some planes the CT can almost let you fly hands off.
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I always disable the stall limiter when I host a room, at least half the people who come in leave because "their plane won't fly right" Never tried auto takeoff. Combat trim is a time saver, but you still have to fine tune manualy to get the best permformance.
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I've never used or even tried stall limiter.
Only recently have I started using Combat Trim. I have two hats mapped for manual trim, and still use them a lot, but also engauge Combat Trim regularly as well.
I use auto take off except when taking off from a turning CV. Like others said above, taking off isn't exactly hard. I'm a slow typer, so while my plane is on auto take off I am typically giving an to the guy who just shot me down, or looking at the map, roster, etc. I also often send my plane down the runway on auto take off while I run and use the can, get a drink, talk to my wife or kids, surf on the other PC, etc. I'm amazed as to how seldom I get shot down while AFK. Just today I lost a Tiger on auto drive while taking an espescially big dump however. My four year old daughter said that, "All these things started whacking your tank, so I pressed the red button to shoot the gun, then this map came up and it was quiet." LOL.
eskimo
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stall limiter -off (whats the point of this useless thing...if i didnt want the plane to stall i wouldent fly in such a way that it could)
combat trim -on (but i will adjust manually when needed)
autotakeoff -off (it actually takes longer to takeoff with it on...)
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I've been flying only the P38 for a little while now and having either combat trim or stall limiter on in anyway will give you a death sentence. Luckily the only trim I really need to play with is the elevators unless I'm carrying unbalanced ord load.
From time to time (more so if I'm chatting) I'll use the autolevel, but mostly so I can free up my fingers.
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Originally posted by beet1e
I don't have stall limiter enabled, but auto combat trim is on.
Your not going to notice the difference between combat trim "on" or combat trim "off" flying E planes flying them as the "book" says besides noticing that no matter the speed, it's trimmed.
You have to knife fight to see the difference. It's dramatic the few times I've had it on. I don't have any of those special boxes checked.
With combat trim "on" in a flying on the edge stall fight, "if" you stall, you'll have a HELL of a time recovering.
HATED IT.
Did a short stint using it and any time she spun it was over.
Not so combat trim "off"
That and I'm real used to using trim keys.
Not for me. Though I know quite a few that use it.
Stall limiter is the same as tying one hand behind your back.
Auto take off has possibilities tho..
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i do use auto take off, what does it matter, its a fight sim, not a take off sim. dont use stall limiter. do use combat trim, all the time and fly 38 almost exclusively. just got use to it i guess.
~S~
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last I heard Stall limiter was only enabled for the first two weeks.
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I use auto-take off because most of the times I end up going AFK as soon as I hit the runway. Thinking that using auto-take off is some sort of crutch is pretty lame, like someone mentioned earlier, this is a flight sim, not a take off sim.
I do not use Combat Trim, especially in the P-38 (it's useless in the Lightning) as it's far easier to use manual trim but YMMV.
As for the stall limiter, anyone that uses this puts themselves at a disadvantage because it gains you absolutely no benefits. It will prohibit you from flying your plane on the edge of the envelope.
ack-ack
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I use auto-take off for the same reason akak stated
I have combat trim toggled to off by default. Under rare conditions in certian planes I may turn it on from time to time.
There is a stall limiter? Why for hevans sake?:)
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Originally posted by SOB
Then again, some of us just might enjoy manually taking off, and couldn't care less whether anyone else does or not.
Which is also exactly how it should be.
It's the folks that suggest that anyone that uses auto takeoff should "just go play Quake" as if manual takeoff is some sort of "quien es muy macho" rite of passage into the inner circle of the third ring of the secret guild of superior pc pilots that make me laugh.
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you are all dweebs for using auto trim :p :D
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No stall limiter
No combat trim
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Don't use any of the 3.
I did for the first two weeks of playing this game 2 years ago but then i turned them off.
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I might turn off combat trim except I'd have to memorize the rudder trims needed for each plane, and that's a pain in the ass. Flying the rudder trimmed the wrong way would just piss me off as well. All that matters is
hit sprites.
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All off here. More fun.
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Well, having defined use of the stall limiter as dweebery, I suppose I can't expect too many to own up to it. :D
I'll try turning off that combat trim to see what difference it makes.
Otherwise for trimming, I have my thumb buttons set up - one to trim on angle, the other to trim on speed. Many times when flying a compressing 109, I've been in danger of flying into the deck. My salvation has been to hit the trim on speed button, which retrims my plane causing it to pitch up much more quickly than if yanking the stick. As Nopoop is here, I've even included a short film showing this. ;) Below 5K at 400+mph in a 109G, there is always a risk of lawndarting. I nearly bought it in this film - and would have done but for trimming on speed.
Film for Nopoop! (http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/109autotrim.ahf) (it's only a few seconds long) :aok :aok
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Originally posted by Shane
i don't use the stall limiter.
i do use combat trim for most part.
i do use auto-takeoff, but can and do takeoff without it.
Ditto.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Well, having defined use of the stall limiter as dweebery, I suppose I can't expect too many to own up to it. :D
The Stall limiter is a newbie training tool to lessen the learning curve and to use it is hardly dweebish. If you use the Stall Limiter is doesn't gain you anything over the person that doesn't use it. The person that doesn't use the stall limiter has the advantage over the person that uses it since the player will be able to fly his plane to its limits while the guy with the stall limiter can't. If the stall limiter was like the EZ mode setting in the old WB, then it would be considered dweebish but it doesn't.
ack-ack
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I use auto-takeoff on the initial takeoff, unless flying from a CV. I use combat trim to some degree, but always turn it off when flying the auger monsters (P-38, 109s and so on) as they respond better to manual trimming.
I don't use stall limiter simply because it limits more than stall, it eliminates dancing on the edge, something I have to do often.
My regards,
Widewing
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I've never even tried the stall limiter.
I do not use auto take off, though I really don't have a problem with people who do. I simply enjoy manually taking off.
I use combat trim by default, but have all trim commands mapped to my rotaries for when I want to use them.
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Beetle,
In WB's the easy mode was a diff flight model, it could do things that the full flight model couldn't.
The stall limiter here gives NO one an advantage, its only advantage is to get new people into the air faster without crashing & dieing. Its not going to help anyone win a fight. HT designed it that way from the ground up.
As to CT, thats a whole nother can of worms. Its all about how you prefer to trim or even if you prefer to trim. While CT may get you close, its never going to be as good as manually trimming.
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If the stall limiter only limits how much you can control the plane then I certainly don't mind if a bunch of guys are flying in a mode that makes it impossible to outturn me. but... I think moot is right and it is only available the first couple of weeks. so why even bring it up?
lazs
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Stall limiter off
Auto take off on
Combat trim on (but the "toggle combat trim" switch mapped to my JS I just flick it on/off to re trim)
In arena settings the Stall limiter can be set to on/off/new user. (I don't know what the MA is set to)
Also the AoA that the stall limiter kicks in at can be separately adjusted for each arena. (again I dont know what the MA is set at)
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I'm the most auto-takeoffinist combat trimmer you'll ever meet.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Well, it looks as if most people are not using these things, and the few that do, use them for very little and not in combat. I use the defaults, What ever was on when I signed up. I guess the stall limiter is on since I don't stall. Does that really make a difference? if yes I will give it a try.
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You know, I had been wondering why I was NEVER spinning anymore. I checked the flight mode tags, and sure enough the stall limiter was on. I must have changed it offline and forgot it.
Now I'm all discombobulated. I guess I've developed some pretty sloppy habits fyling with it on for a month. Arggg - one step forward, two steps back :(