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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Dune on January 05, 2004, 12:45:39 AM
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(http://www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/images/gt_img_r.jpg)
http://www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/index.asp?bhcp=1
500hp Supercharged V-8.
(http://www.motortrend.com/motor/roadtests/coupe/112_0311_ford_1az.jpg)
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0311_fordgt/
"We definitely had a target vehicle in mind when building the GT," says Neil Ressler, a former Ford vice president coaxed out of semi-retirement by Bill Ford himself to consult on the GT program. "The Ferrari 360 Modena. We think we've got what it takes to beat Ferrari--again."
(http://www.motortrend.com/motor/roadtests/coupe/112_0310_gt_5_wl.jpg)
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Great car, nothing can touch it for the money.
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Wouldn't you rather save the earh by driving a Prius instead of this gas guzzling monstrosity?
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The original GT40 is undoubtedly an awesome car.
The remake appears to be of a similar stature.
In fact the GT40 appears to have all bases covered... but at the end of the day, it lacks that one, special thing.
A Ferrari badge.
;)
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Whats the difference between this 575M Maranello, and a new Ford GT?
(http://www.ferrari.it/ferrari/images/575m_maranello/780x490/threequarter.jpg)
One's a superior piece of automotive engineering....and the other's still just a ford...
Tronsky
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
In fact the GT40 appears to have all bases covered... but at the end of the day, it lacks that one, special thing.
A Ferrari badge.
I suspect it will have several ferrari badges hanging from the review mirror before all is said and done.
MiniD
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If I was given one I'd sell it and buy a ferrari and probably have change. There's only going to be 101 imported into Europe so there'll be plenty of ebay bidders. Nice looking car, but the fact that Noel Edmunds has one of the originals puts me off.
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Originally posted by Mini D
I suspect it will have several ferrari badges hanging from the review mirror before all is said and done.
MiniD
Plenty of Civics in my area faster than my 911 too. NAAWWWWAAAASSSS, 25 lbs of boost, and shorter gears... but its still a Civic.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Plenty of Civics in my area faster than my 911 too. NAAWWWWAAAASSSS, 25 lbs of boost, and shorter gears... but its still a Civic.
You're comparing a) a 911 to a ferrari and b) a GT40 to a civic. OK.... gotcha. "Just because it outperforms my car doesn't mean it's better." I've heard that before, but it's usually from the other arian car zealot group.
MiniD
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Is it any good in the snow....?
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Originally posted by Mini D
You're comparing a) a 911 to a ferrari and b) a GT40 to a civic. OK.... gotcha. "Just because it outperforms my car doesn't mean it's better." I've heard that before, but it's usually from the other arian car zealot group.
MiniD
ROFL!! So now youre telling me Im a ricer eh?
That makes sense. Try again. :aok
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Nice car, not very practical tho...
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Isn't the 911 sold in Germany as a Volkswagen?
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Originally posted by Airhead
Isn't the 911 sold in Germany as a Volkswagen?
No one can come up with good insults today. What is it with you people?
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The GT40 just recently wiped the streets clean with a race version 360 Modena and a 911 GT3 in one of the big automag driving comparsions, so there.
However they did admit a Ferrari was the only car they knew for certain would beat the Ford flat out - yep the $650,000 Ferrari Enzo...
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
ROFL!! So now youre telling me Im a ricer eh?
I didn't call you a rice. I pointed out that your analogy likened a GT40 to a ricer. I called you an elitist arian snob... just as bad as the bavarian crowd.
MiniD
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Bang per bucks ratio is good with Ford GT but that's about it.
For Gods sake it's FORD !!!
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Car and Driver it was - have it right in front of me here... lemme see what it says...
GT vs. 360 CS vs. 996 GT3
Short version:
3rd: 911 GT3
2nd: 360 CS
1st: GT
Long version:
Porsche 911 GT3
$101,965
3219 lbs
3.6L NA H6
380 HP @ 7400
284 lbs/ft @ 5000
0-60: 4.0 Sec
1/4 mi: 12.3 @ 114MPH
Top speed: 190 MPH
Skidpad: 1.03 G's
Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale
$193,324
3152 lbs
3.6L NA V8
425 HP @ 8500
274 lbs/ft @ 4750
0-60: 4.0 Sec
1/4 mi: 12.4 @ 115MPH
Top Speed: 176 MPH
Skidpad: .98 G's
Ford GT
$150,000
3429 lbs
5.4L SC V8
500 HP @ 6000
500 lbs/ft @ 4500
0-60 MPH: 3.3 Sec
1/4 mi: 11.6 @ 128 MPH
Top Speed: 200 MPH
Skidpad: .98 G's
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Originally posted by Mini D
I didn't call you a rice. I pointed out that your analogy likened a GT40 to a ricer. I called you an elitist arian snob... just as bad as the bavarian crowd.
MiniD
Im a snob why? Because I am able to recognize the difference between a sports car and an economy car?
I cant help where they are built. If Honda made rear engined track cars and Porsche build bland sedans that always ran, Id be a Honda fan.
Would that make me some sort of asain empire sympathiser?
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
No one can come up with good insults today. What is it with you people?
The smaller the noodle, the faster the car will go..
FORD - Fix often repair daily.
American's just don't build performance cars worth a crap
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American's just don't build performance cars worth a crap
Yup, just look how bad they did in last year's one lap of america.
1 2 chev MTI Z-07 SSGT1 6590
Ronald Adee, John Myrick
2 4 Chevy Corvette Z06 SSGT1 6525
John Boos, Ronald Marks
3 1 Dodge Viper SSGT1 6515
David Zelkowski, Brian Smith
4 3 RUF RGT SSGT1 6415
Gary Church, Paul Gerrard
5 8 Porsche 996 Twin Turbo SSGT1 6380
Mark DaVia, Chuck Veth
6 5 Toyota Supra Turbo SSGT1 5945
Andi Baritchi, Clint Pohler
7 20 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 SSGT1 5665
Scott Ahlgrim, Steve Ahlgrim
8 52 Dodge SRT-4 MidPri Sed 5595
Cory O`Brien, Erich Heuschele
9 10 Lamborghini Diablo SSGT1 5545
Karl H. Troy, Mike Appleby
10 50 Audi S-4 Luxury Sed 5315
Norman Babcock, Michael Babcock
hell a freakin NEON beat a DIABLO.
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Saur,
The GT40 will kick the Ferrari's ass... that is my belief and is what I stated. Your belief is "yeah, maybe, but it still isn't a ferrari". That is where elitist comes from.
Also, if you believe that your porsche derives any extra quality or consideration because of it's name then you're simply lost. I've not seen many 10 year old porsches that were daily drivers that stood the test of wear and tear... especially in all the areas that make a car special. Raw horsepower delivered directly to the wheels has always been their strong point... combined with light weight aluminum. Once a car starts beating you in the weight and horsepower regime... you really don't have much to hold onto unless the handling is a notch above the norm (AWD or upgrad RWD). I don't think any of the FWD ricers will do in a Turbo Porsche, but I do think there are quite a few AWD ricers that can... and will beat the Porsche in virtually every other tangible aspect... leaving the Porsche owner with nothing but a balding head and an out of date leather jacket.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
I didn't call you a rice. I pointed out that your analogy likened a GT40 to a ricer. I called you an elitist arian snob... just as bad as the bavarian crowd.
MiniD
Damn, checked in the mirror lately? You own a BMW product...
You're better tasked debating with dancers...:rolleyes:
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reckon a TVR T440R would give it a run for its money. Basic price for the T440R is £69,995 (Cheaper than the GT40 too)
here (http://www.supercars.net/cars/2003@$TVR@$T440Rg.html)
(http://www.maximum-cars.com/Cars/TVR/2003-T440R-1.jpg)
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That thing is so smurfy I can not stand to look at it... OMG remove the pick... it looks like they used some kind of insect as inspiration.
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Originally posted by Mini D
Saur,
The GT40 will kick the Ferrari's ass... that is my belief and is what I stated. Your belief is "yeah, maybe, but it still isn't a ferrari". That is where elitist comes from.
Also, if you believe that your porsche derives any extra quality or consideration because of it's name then you're simply lost. I've not seen many 10 year old porsches that were daily drivers that stood the test of wear and tear... especially in all the areas that make a car special. Raw horsepower delivered directly to the wheels has always been their strong point... combined with light weight aluminum. Once a car starts beating you in the weight and horsepower regime... you really don't have much to hold onto unless the handling is a notch above the norm (AWD or upgrad RWD). I don't think any of the FWD ricers will do in a Turbo Porsche, but I do think there are quite a few AWD ricers that can... and will beat the Porsche in virtually every other tangible aspect... leaving the Porsche owner with nothing but a balding head and an out of date leather jacket.
MiniD
Mini,
So basically what your saying is that Im a snob because I would rather have the Ferrari over the Ford or the Porsche over the Honda based simply on name recognition?
I understand your confusion then.
My preferences in cars are a result of experience. Sure there are cars that accelerate faster, brake harder, and corner better, but they dont offer that 'somthing' that a 911 offers. You cant quite put your finger on it - and it would be impossible to describe it to a non-owner.
Basically, name recognition is not the reason I would rather own the Ferrari - Id rather own the Ferrari because of those Ive driven, they leave me speachless - the same reason the word Ferrari is recognizable in the first place.
Your two remarks concerning Porsche cars leave me wondering about your actual knowledge base outside of magazine racing.
911's are well known for their reliability. Forget 10 years, the 911 SC's of the late 70's and early 80's are famous for their engine life - there are cars out there from this vintage with 400,000+ miles on the engine with nothing more than oil changes on the bills.
The second comment about Porsche's strongpoint being 'raw horsepower at the rear wheels' is further confusing. Porsche has never been, and will never be well known for powerful engines.
The racing history of the 911 is not unlike the Elise - a small, cheap, underpowered car that would run circles around the big boys from Italy and Britain for 1/4 the price. This can be seen to a lesser extent in the road test above when compared to the 360CS and the GT. On paper, the GT3 'should' be slower than the 360CS in almost all aspects - but its not. It records almost identicle times - and even beats the 360CS around the circut tested by almost 1/2 a seconds - and all for a little over 50% of the F-car's price.
Porsche is well known for a varity of things - but for me - the draw is the feeling coming out of the apex - there is nothing else like it and try as I might, I have yet to find another car that duplicates the connection between the car and the driver.
Thankfully I havent started to suffer from thining hair yet and I dont have a jacket, but even you, I would have assumed, would think better of arguing with an owner about his own automobile with such a limited knowledge and experience base.
:aok
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Snob is not what you'd rather have saur... it's looking down on what others have because you believe name is all that matters.
Remember... you brought it up. Those damn ricers... no matter how good the car they'll never have the porsche shield on it! It's funny considering the porsche shield's only real contribution is to the car is additional drag.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
911's are well known for their reliability. Forget 10 years, the 911 SC's of the late 70's and early 80's are famous for their engine life - there are cars out there from this vintage with 400,000+ miles on the engine with nothing more than oil changes on the bills.
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Plus if you drive em in a lake they float. Do you have flowers on yours the way Herpes the Love Bug did?
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PS... I said nothing about engine life Saur. From what I've seen of Porsches, the interiors age worse than most other cars out there... from seats cracking and breaking down to dashboards cracking and falling apart. Like I said... the engine and lightweight is all they have going for them... oh... and the badge.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
Snob is not what you'd rather have saur... it's looking down on what others have because you believe name is all that matters.
Remember... you brought it up. Those damn ricers... no matter how good the car they'll never have the porsche shield on it! It's funny considering the porsche shield's only real contribution is to the car is additional drag.
MiniD
"Name is all that matters." Mini... read my post again. You are the one that made the name recognition argument - not me - and Ive addressed it.
My comment about the Ferrari badge is half taken as a joke, but if youre that bored at the office that you need to nitpick the motivation for statements, then more power to you - I only hope I can continue to serve to make your life that much more fufilling than it already is.
In any event MiniD, keeping in mind such profound statements as those quoted above regarding seats, dashboards, and hood badges, exactly what knowledge base are you pulling all of this informaiton from? The road? The track? Or Road & Track?
I only ask because I find your comments overshadowed in humor only by the fact that you stand by them as if they were written by one of the Apostles.
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Originally posted by Airhead
Plus if you drive em in a lake they float. Do you have flowers on yours the way Herpes the Love Bug did?
Yes.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
"Name is all that matters." Mini... read my post again. You are the one that made the name recognition argument - not me - and Ive addressed it.
It was me?
"In fact the GT40 appears to have all bases covered... but at the end of the day, it lacks that one, special thing. A Ferrari badge."
"Plenty of Civics in my area faster than my 911 too. NAAWWWWAAAASSSS, 25 lbs of boost, and shorter gears... but its still a Civic."
Tell me once again how I brought name recognition up as an issue Saur?My comment about the Ferrari badge is half taken as a joke, but if youre that bored at the office that you need to nitpick the motivation for statements, then more power to you - I only hope I can continue to serve to make your life that much more fufilling than it already is.
My reply to it was pretty much a joke too saur. You're the one that proceded to use the porsche vs ricer analogy. I guess the joke just needed a little less joke added to it.In any event MiniD, keeping in mind such profound statements as those quoted above regarding seats, dashboards, and hood badges, exactly what knowledge base are you pulling all of this informaiton from? The road? The track? Or Road & Track?
Pulling information from magazines? No, I find magazines unreliable for anything other than numbers. I've been pricing 911's for about 10 years now. I could never bring myself to buy one because they are always what I refer to as a 5 yard car. 15 feet away and they look great. You get closer they look less great. You sit inside and you've made up your mind. They have a timeless style, but their interior doesn't hold up for crap. That's just based on the 50 odd ones I've looked at. And the impression I have from them.I only ask because I find your comments overshadowed in humor only by the fact that you stand by them as if they were written by one of the Apostles.
I'm sorry, I have an oppinion on a car. I'm not trying to say that a badge gives it "something intangeable". Really... who's treating this like a religion saur?
You like porsches because you have experience with them. You like ferraris because you've driven them. But you haven't driven a GT40, yet you procede to describe what it doesn't have? All you've seen are numbers... and they pretty much sum up why someone would have to go to the "intangeable" card.
MiniD
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Do you guys ever get over yourselves?
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Originally posted by Mini D
It was me?
Yes it was. We've already gone over your lack of understanding here, Mini.
When I say that the Ford lacks something special - a "Ferrari badge" I dont mean it literally, although this is, of course, true.
What I mean is that the badge, although it is only a piece of metal, is like the heart of the car - the soul - that special something that cant be duplicated elsewhere.
I dont envy your 'ability' to look beyond the passion of things, but it would explain your inability to understand anything beyond face value.
With a Ferrari badge comes an aweful lot - and 90% of it doesnt show up on a page of numbers.
Tell me once again how I brought name recognition up as an issue Saur?My reply to it was pretty much a joke too saur. You're the one that proceded to use the porsche vs ricer analogy. I guess the joke just needed a little less joke added to it.
Here Mini:
Originally posted by Mini D
"Just because it outperforms my car doesn't mean it's better." I've heard that before, but it's usually from the other arian car zealot group.
MiniD
Pulling information from magazines? No, I find magazines unreliable for anything other than numbers. I've been pricing 911's for about 10 years now. I could never bring myself to buy one because they are always what I refer to as a 5 yard car. 15 feet away and they look great. You get closer they look less great. You sit inside and you've made up your mind. They have a timeless style, but their interior doesn't hold up for crap. That's just based on the 50 odd ones I've looked at. And the impression I have from them. I'm sorry, I have an oppinion on a car. I'm not trying to say that a badge gives it "something intangeable". Really... who's treating this like a religion saur?
You must have looked at some real ****ty examples, Mini. Ive probably been in a similar number of cars - ranging from the first few years of production to an 02 Turbo, and sure Ive seen some poor condition cars, but they arent the type I would be considering purchasing anyway.
Since I have yet to hit the lottery, my ownership experience equated to the lte 80's cars.
Both were used almost daily and had their odometers ran up well past 100,000 miles.
If any car is abused, it will look like **** - but if it is loved and maintained by someone like me, as opposed to someone like you, in 15 years it will retain 95% of its beauty, condition, and soundness in all aspects.
You like porsches because you have experience with them. You like ferraris because you've driven them. But you haven't driven a GT40, yet you procede to describe what it doesn't have? All you've seen are numbers... and they pretty much sum up why someone would have to go to the "intangeable" card.
So now you are claiming that your own fault - not being able to understand the passion associated with owning a car and thinking of it as something slightly more than a people mover - is a product of my own failings?
Get real, Mini, youre really stretching now - as if drag heavy hood badges wasnt reaching enough. :rolleyes:
This argument isnt going anywhere - youre like the hardcore Liberal everyone had in that college Mid East 101 class ranting about imperialism and the evils of the American government.
You talk an aweful lot, but you dont say anything - and after hearing the same song and dance time after time, it gets old.
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what Furball said.
I walked around a dealership last weekend, and looked thru some trade-ins, and saw the interior of a corvette for the first time close up, and it looked like the usual american ergos, real cheap and ugly compared to german stuff.
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For the money give me a 911
Less money better every day driver.
And there great in the snow.
The GT40 looks cool as watermelon and I take my hat of to Ford.
And of coures Ferrari well the prancing horse speaks for it's self.
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Ford gonna run it at Sebring? Ferrari will be there. Would be interesting to see who finishes 3rd after the two Corvettes. :p
I think I read somewhere that recent windtunnel testing of the original GT40 showed that the front had a tendency to lift at very high speeds, which really impressed me since Gurney ran it so quick on the backstretch at LeMans. :eek:
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I can say Skyline ;)
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Originally posted by Sway
I can say Skyline ;)
Hehe, a PS2 with four wheels. ;)
If youre gonna go Jap, Id have to agree with storch - the Wankel is where its at.
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lol... every look into what you can do with a skyline? :)
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LOL! OK saur, it's my misunderstand you writing 3 more paragraphs on how it really is the badge that makes the difference. Feel free to pretend that isn't elitism. Citing which will be better based on a badge without actually seeing or knowing that much about the competition... that's... um... oh yea... something you just can't put into words (because it doesn't sound good when you do).
Moot, I couldn't agree more. They are even worse than the porsches. But neither hold up well.
MiniD
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imo if you look at the whole of a design, especially pure sports cars that are supposed to breathe passion, you understand the philosophy of its approach to the given problem, and which one pleases a certain person will depend on the person's taste, which isn't debateable.
if I was given the means, I'd choose a ferrari that needs to be in the shop 75% of the time and would have those tacky european glitches, over a GT40 or 911, just for the feel of that harmonious design, in itself and with your taste.
Kind of like a supermodel that always brakes stuff around the house.
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Mini, if I were religious, I'd pray for you. ;)
I cant imagine you ever being happy with anything in life, so if questioning gives you purpose, I hope you find some solice in it.
Some get it, others dont. No hard feelings, you just fit into the latter category, thats all.
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Saur, do you have one of those really long whip CB antannas on that puppy? That just sets the look off, IMHO. I'm looking in the Automotive classifieds and if I can find one for under 2500 I'll buy it.
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I'd race any one of them.....
As long as I get to pick the road.
(http://members.aol.com/jwuch/jeep.jpg)
(not mine)
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Sourdork and NanoD, Gayest hijack ever. Mini is right though. Ultimately those "intangibles" are placebo effect induced by yuppie achievement badge on the hood and decades of hype.
And Mazda has never made a car (rotary or otherwise) that can even come close to matching the Skyline.
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Silence ricer - youre just in denile because Mic Dundee isnt your spokeman anymore. ;)
Mini would be right if thats how I felt. Since it isnt, he wasted alot of his time arguing a point I agree with him on.
A shame really, it could have all been avoided had he listened instead of waited for his turn to speak.
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911's are well known for their reliability. Forget 10 years, the 911 SC's of the late 70's and early 80's are famous for their engine life - there are cars out there from this vintage with 400,000+ miles on the engine with nothing more than oil changes on the bills.
The 1977 2.7 911S engine had reach the end of its life span. The crankcase was redesigned for the 911 SC. Yep, late 70s and early 911s are known for their reliability as the evolution of the 911 flat 6 started on a new redesign for 79. As far as Porches go, the 1976-77 2.7 911S is the worst model you can get as far as used porches and engines. Not that its any bad, just that on those models, they bored out the engine to its max. Greater chances for problems and required engine rebuilds.
I plan to own a Porsche someday, either a classic or something new and FAST. A twin turbo would be perfect.
;)
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studmuffins.
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Yeah, thats a real nice car. Wish I could get that.
:aok
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Pfft...who needs a fast car?
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Nacho, those things will get ou killed. If you like motorcycles, get yourself one of these.
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Originally posted by MrCoffee
The 1977 2.7 911S engine had reach the end of its life span. The crankcase was redesigned for the 911 SC. Yep, late 70s and early 911s are known for their reliability as the evolution of the 911 flat 6 started on a new redesign for 79. As far as Porches go, the 1976-77 2.7 911S is the worst model you can get as far as used porches and engines. Not that its any bad, just that on those models, they bored out the engine to its max. Greater chances for problems and required engine rebuilds.
I plan to own a Porsche someday, either a classic or something new and FAST. A twin turbo would be perfect.
;)
The SC engine started life in the Euro Carrera 3.0 in 1977 and was brought to the US as the 911 SC in 1978.
Even so - the problems with the 2.7L arent necessarily with the size, but with the different materials used within the engine that didnt react well to eachother when expanded due to heat.
That said, if you can find a 2.7L car in good running order, its a good bet that one of the previous owners had the engine rebuilt and solved the problem.
In any event, the 2.7L engine is a blast to drive when its in newly rebuilt form.
Good luck in your search - I spent 9 months looking for my first P-car and a little over a year looking for the second.
Finding the right one is the difference between a dream ownership experience and a neverending financial nightmare.
The new Turbo's are nice and scary fast (especially the X50's) but if I had six figures to throw around Id go looking for a 904 or a 550. ;)
Any questions, let me know. :)
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Actually I had a 90s Carrera in mind, prior to the new look Porsche. Not anytime soon though.
:)
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Careful with the early 964's.
They had head gasket (or lack thereof) issues. Most have been fixed by this point though.
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"904"..........ohhhhh! Yum Yum.
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Porsche's feature the worse placement of an engine possible in sports car design. They also suck because there are so many models with only minor differences. That AWD turbo one is nice though.
The Skyline was an awesome racing machine. They had to change the rules in Ozzie saloon racing to ban it from competing because it dominated the championship.
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Hmm, looking at Porsche's racing history they must have done something right.
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I didn't say anything about them overcoming the problem in racing cars. ;) Besides, there's a world of difference between a road car and its racing cousin.
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Dowdings right. There are many differences between the track cars and the road cars... like... the seats... and... the um... steering wheel. :D
Engine placement opinion is relative. You can do things with a RR car you cant in others - the inverse is also true, of course.
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I would say there are alot of other differences between pro-track and road cars. The difference in weight alone (and specifically how much weight can be removed compared to your competitor's machines) is significant. Then there's all the one-off engineering that goes into your racing car that replaces the mass produced stuff of production cars. Have you never played Gran Turismo? ;)
Engine placement opinion is relative. You can do things with a RR car you cant in others - the inverse is also true, of course.
Like finding yourself heading backwards into the nearest tree because your Beetle on steroids has all its mass concentrated in its arse. :) Having said that, that recent, top of the range turbo Porsche with the AWD makes that much less of a problem apparently.
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the change from plowing understeer to uncontrolable oversteer has allways put me off porches.. I want somthing with more power coming out of the turns or going uphill too..
the 911 had the worst fuel injection ever in their first models... nothing looks worse than a porche with a puddle under it and halft the top of the engine off with alll the faded paint and interior that looks like you raised racoons in it. That is the porche nightmare that a lot of friends of mine faced.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
the 911 had the worst fuel injection ever in their first models...
I heard the mechanical Kugelfischer in BMW 2002tii was real pain in the ass.
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Porsche 911 series cars have always been above average road handling cars. Driving a VW bug is like driving a sheet of metal with four wheels on it. Zero handling qualities period.
I've Driven 911T, 911, 911S, SC, Carrera, Turbos, Gray market Turbos, etc... I thought they all handled very well. Havent driven the new ones. Come around a turn, gentle liftoff, no affect. Hard abrupt lift off, rear comes around a bit. Its suppose ot be like that. Put the gas down and the rear hooks up. All cars should be like that. Anyone who has driven at high speed knows that you steer with the gas pedal not the steering wheel so Porsches are intuative in ragards to driving (the correct way).
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After nearly half a century of continuous production, the Caterham Seven British two-seater sportscar continues to re-write the record books.
The Surrey based firm’s flagship Superlight R500 road car has broken its own world record for speeding from a standing start to 100mph and then breaking back to zero again in a time of just 11.25 seconds. This compares to its 11.44 seconds performance in 2002, and the previous best time of 11.5 seconds set by the £750,000 McLaren F1 LM sportscar in 1999. The hand-built Superlight R500, which boasts 500bhp per tonne, costs just £36,200.
In the record breaking run, which requires perfect gear change and weather conditions, Colin Chapman’s legendary design sped to 60mph in 3.47 seconds (three hundredths slower than last year), got up to 100mph in a stunning 7.26 seconds (half a second quicker than previously!) and then came to an abrupt halt in less than four seconds later.
The record was set during Autocar magazine’s annual review of some of the world’s quickest cars at the Bruntingthorpe airfield, Leicestershire. Ben Oliver, road test editor of Autocar said: “Once again, Caterham and Autocar have raised the bar; we doubt that even Michael Schumacher aboard an Enzo (Ferrari) would beat our 11.25 sec time in the R500. It will take a whole new kind of car to improve significantly on that.”
Simon Nearn, managing director of Caterham Cars, took a different view. He explained: “This is the best example of why the Caterham can be genuinely viewed as one of the safest cars on the road. Engineering and design is not just about speed and performance, the ability to accelerate out of trouble, and stop on a sixpence safely is unmatched. There is nothing as nimble and quick as a Seven.”
Incredible as it may seem, Jez Coates, technical director of Caterham Cars, believes the R500 can go quicker. “This is as much about the performance of the car, and the technical ability of the driver. We’ve not reached the limits of both yet…who knows sub-11 seconds may even be possible.”
The Caterham Seven celebrates its thirtieth anniversary this year after Colin Chapman’s Lotus firm handed over the rights to the former dealer in 1973.
Prices start from £15,200 for the 1.4 litre Classic.
Just found this out, never realised Caterham held the record.
Source (http://www.caterham.co.uk/news/prcontent.php?id=121)
Caterham Superlight (http://www.caterham.co.uk/showroom/sevens/superlight.htm)
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http://foto.renn.tv/web/video/Kaufmann_24h_2000.wmv
is this one of those?