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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: simshell on January 05, 2004, 02:17:29 PM
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now everone thinks BN5 TBM are nothing but easy targets but iv found a way to make them more of a threat
ok this is what you do if you can
get on the deck talking like 15 feet here
then get in your tail gunner
and make a steady turn with the rudder and keep it there
and here comes the F6F hes going to have a hard time hiting when your on the deck then if you were 3k
and hes going to take time to try to hit you and he may even try to go on the deck with you
this well give you alot of guning time but you better make sure your aim is right
now aim for the wing or just 1 part of his plane
and you well hopefully kill him and shock him
as far as i no this is the best way to get kills with the tail gunner in single ENG bombers
and if you dont think this well work
iv got 4 kills in BN5 using the tail gunner on F4F's F6F's
and last night on a torp run i shot down a F6F in my TBM doing this
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You've just been lucky that none of those planes you shot down were experienced players. Only the foolish and soon to be dead saddle up on the dead six of a plane with a tail gunner.
ack-ack
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Try that TBM crap on me I will vaporize it. :D
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Simshell....ever think of why that F6F did not attack you from the front? I mean tail gunned aircraft are the only ones where HOs are encouraged.....well maybe not HO...but upper forward quarter shots definitely..do more damage that way tooo....:)
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look im just telling you all what the best way of killing aircraft with the tail is
when some one dies to a tail gunner its because they did not respect the tail gunner
but in most cases the bomber does die but as far as i no this is the best way to get kills with the tail gunner
by the way how many people are going to setup good gun pases on a TBM
and dont forget its kind of hard to shoot something at 10 feet off the ground and moving at 230mph
ack ack they died because they did not respect the great BN5 realy how many people respect its 1 7mm
one last thing its hard to get a good gun shot on something that low and turning so thats why so many people come from sixoclock
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He actually has a pretty good point.
Assuming both planes started at about the same airspeed and took off from relatively close aircraft carriers (let's face it - who in their right mind is going to fly a TBM as far as they would a B-17 or Lancaster? Usually the TBM comes into play when the fight is relatively close quarters, like during carrier battles and airbase captures), then both planes would be low and fairly slow. The Hellcat may not see the TBM low on the deck until he's already passed it on climb-out from his own carrier, in which case he would be chasing the TBM from behind and slowly gaining ground. Using a bit of rudder, the TBM pilot would force the Hellcat to use deflection shooting, and even though a single .50 isn't a match for six guns, by concentrating fire on one component that single .50 might be all it takes to saw off a wing or stabilizer. Plus, that single .50 would have a longer reach since it was firing "downwind" while the Hellcat would be firing "upwind".
If the Hellcat pilot took the time to get alt and airspeed for a front-quarter shot, that TBM might be in position to loose a torpedo at the carrier.
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Simshell dont listen to the guys that will "Vaporize" you....LOL
No offense but I love on occasion taking up the KI of death formation and using the "stinger" in the tail to rack up some kills...Most pilots in here are NOT that experienced....oh and by the way when our squadron did just that on the CV groups 3 tours ago or so the video proved what Gofaster said...by the time they get a "good" shot on you the CV group is obliterated.....
My 5 cents again but......:D
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He should listen, i drool when i see a TBM.
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As a pilot of both F6F and TBM TBM is easy kill yes but can also be surprising at times with some speed (turnrate)....but a Hellcat pilot with any experience should kill TBM pretty easy... If i can kill a TBM in a Hellcat then everyone can because i am the sux in the Big Blue Thing :D
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Originally posted by simshell
ack ack they died because they did not respect the great BN5 realy how many people respect its 1 7mm
It's not a lack of respect that killed them but bone head tactics. No matter what type of plane it is with a tail gun, it's just not good tactical sense to engage that plane from a dead six position.
If I find myself in a position that my only chance of successfully downing the TBM is from the 6 position, I dive down below the firing line of the TBM's rear gun and then come up at it from below. This way it's impossible for the rear gunner on the TBM to track me because the gun doesn't aim below the tail.
ack-ack
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lol simshell i'm never going in a 262 agains buffs again. you're gunnery is pretty good and ya scared me straight lol
Barre of *NDM* Nasty Dead Men
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that would be barrel not barre, i know there is a guy out there named barre :)
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Barrel, where the heck ya been!!!!!!
Take that 262 against those bombers. Get a few 20mm shots on the stabilizer it breaks off and you've got a long agonizing fall for that buff.
(But dont attack it from the rear like you would a fighter!)
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ack ack did you even read what i said
i said get like 10 feet off the ground there is no way a fighter can get out of the firing cone of the tail gunner from coming from below
and your right ack ack its not smart to come from 6 o clock but the most of the MAIN dweebs come from that angle because it takes time to make gun passes like they would on a big bomber and sense most people dont respect the BN5 there going to come from 6o clock almost all the time and when hes coming im going to point the tail at the aircraft
but 60% of the time they get me
now if you can tell me a better way of defending from the tail im all ear's
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Originally posted by simshell
now if you can tell me a better way of defending from the tail im all ear's
Never gunned in here so I'm the last person to give advice on defensive gunnery. I'm only looking at this from the fighter's perspective and what I'd do.
If you're on the deck denying me the opportunity of coming in from below out of your cone of fire, the plane I fly is fast enough that I can zoom past, pull into a zoom climb and then flip over and dive down on you. It would take the same amount of time as it would if someone came up on your six, if not quicker because all it would take is a single burst of a 20mm Hispano with 4x .50 cal rounds to take off your wing at the root. Of course, I'm just looking at it from the fighter's perspective. YMMV.
ack-ack
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do tbm's have tails?? oh yeah, its the part that comes off 1st
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Originally posted by simshell
now if you can tell me a better way of defending from the tail im all ear's
Turn off tracers. They'll never know you're shooting from the tail until you start to land hits.
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thats a good game plan ack ack
but most people dont make good plans
on TBM's
but im not saying its hard to kill a TBM doing this defence
im just saying what the best defence from the tail is in a single ENG bomber
:aok
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Not to mention one of the TBMs bugs is it can shoot thru its vertical stabilizer. No interuped fire like others.
Unless that was also fixed when it was pulled from rotation, havent flown it since it came back.
Also the TBMs arc of fire can allow it to shoot 90 degrees to its sides suprising unknowing fighters that try to slip past alittle to close.
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you do know the TBM has a .30 cal machine gun in the lower tail
so was just thinking that could be whats you think is shooting thru its vertical stabilizer