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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Pyro on May 24, 2001, 12:20:00 AM
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(http://www.hitechcreations.com/pyro/il2cp.jpg)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/pyro/p47rbcp.jpg)
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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friggin awsome
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Can't wait to see a 410. That'll be a really cool cockpit.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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have you decided if the IL2 have external view?
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External views are just handled by plane type, they're not specifically set. So the Il2 will have one, at least for now. It does have a pretty boxy cockpit. It's got to have about the worst vis of any of the AH planes. Strafes like a dream though.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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many an IL2 flyer would be requesting tail gunners without an external view for sure.
that thing is armored up like a tank (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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410 definitely would be atypical
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Ok, just for you Pyro...
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Flakbait [Delta6]
Delta Six's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
Put the P-61B in Aces High
"With all due respect Chaplian, I don't think God wants to hear from me right now.
I'm gonna go out there and remove one of His creations from this universe.
And when I get back I'm gonna drink a bottle of Scotch like it was Chiggy von
Richthofen's blood and celebrate his death."
Col. McQueen, Space: Above and Beyond
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External views huh. Well, this has all gotten a little too Fighter Ace for me.
easymo out. and gone.
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Easimo`s right,I think planes with only one gunner should not get an outside view.
In the B-17,Lanc etc. the gunners had all around view,so spotting was easier in RL.
But in the Sturmovik the gunner couldn`t see under the plane like the ballturet gunner in the B-17 could,it had a rather limited view.So it`d give this plane an unfair advantage,the plane will be abused, Il-2 HO-fest starts ,and there will be a lot of squeaking and moaning.
This plane should be monster,let people have a chance to kill it,and be used as it should
as a groundattack plane,not as a dofighter.
In FA the Il-2 ruined the game,by people dogfighting with it,and the AI gunner picking out everyone on their 6.
I`m not saying AH is like FA,but I can totally see people doing it,and myself getting pissed about it.
BTW that 410 cockpit does look sweet,but when it comes out,I wouldn`t wanna see outside view wile flying it.
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[This message has been edited by ~Caligula~ (edited 05-24-2001).]
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Beautiful....REALLY awesome (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) On the external view thing I would say that if the TBM does have an external view, the Il2 should have it too. IMO, of course.
BTW that comment about the 410 is well noted Pyro (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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Pyro how is the ability to kill the Il2s rear gunner modeled? I know its kind of nasty but those poor guys had no protection as as they pretty much sat in the open from waist on up and any sort of MG/cannon fire in the rear cockpit did them in. So will it be possible for us to quickly disable the gunner then killing the Il2 might be easier, for some of then not 4 20mm cannon types but it will still be a tough hard plane. And is the well known oil cooler fire tactic implemented?
BTW 1.07 is looking great and I love the "encouraging" statement on the 410. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Easymo has been gone for a year, how far gone can you go?
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On the external view thing I would say that if the TBM does have an external view, the Il2 should have it too. IMO, of course.
the TBM has a 3 men crew.The bellygunner can actually look down from the plane..
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[This message has been edited by ~Caligula~ (edited 05-24-2001).]
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Originally posted by Wardog:
Easymo has been gone for a year, how far gone can you go?
Gone like herpes isn't the same as gone.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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S!
About IL-2 dogfighting.It actually was pretty maneuverable below 3000m(10000ft?).Some versions had same maneuverability as 109E-4 at low alts.Source is Oleg Maddox(and IL-2 forums) making the IL-2 Sturmovik and he has access to VVS archives (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)IL-2 is a beast and should be treated with care.The rearward firing 12,7mm(0.50cal) was a nasty piece of equipment like the M2.Not to mention the 23mm cannons that rip ANYTHING flying apart withing fracture of seconds (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) And wait for the 2x37mm version!BEWARE Osties and Panzers!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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DB603
3.Lentue
Lentolaivue 34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34/)
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Nice razorback jug!! Can't wait to fly her!!
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CAVE TONITRUM!
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Looks highly interesting!
I personally would prefer NO externals views in the MA.
Is this something that can be turned on/off in arena settings?
Y
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Great work!!
What was republic thinking when they put that support right in the pilots line of sight?
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Pugg666 XO
Braunco Mustangs
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I figure they were trying to make her slippery first.
In real life, you would focus your eyes past that and it wouldn't be as big of a deal. The limitations of a flat 2D screen make it more restrictive than it would have been.
I don't care about that. It's still just COOL. Razorback rocks. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) I can't WAIT.
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Sean "Lephturn" Conrad - Aces High Chief Trainer
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Was the gunsight really offset like that?
Did they have to angle the guns in the left wing further inward to get the guns to converge?
-SW
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Yes the gunsight was really offset like that. In some planes, their was an iron ring sight on the opposite side, as a backup for the reflector gunsight.
I just realized, HTC did make an error in the details. Here's what I mean:
(http://www1.jump.net/~cs3/pix/p47rbcp.jpg)
I will post supporting photos as soon as I can get them scanned. For those of you with the same books, you can see this clearly in the pictures on these pages:
Warren Bodie's P-47: From Seversky to Victory: p. 143, 263
David McLaren's Beware the Thunderbolt: p.71
Lou Drendel's P-47 Walk Around: p.71 (probably the best pic)
[This message has been edited by Sancho (edited 05-24-2001).]
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In FA the Il-2 ruined the game
Hmmm, for me it was Don Karnage and Rilak (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The only time I have ever used external views in the game has been to snap photos of my squad members when formation flying. Personally, I don't find them useful, but do consider the inclusion of external views in some planes to present an unfair advantage.
Getting rid of external views in all planes in the MA would be a small yet significant step in adding to the reality experience of AH.
(http://www.nethawk.org/images/NetHawk.jpg)
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Did anyone else notice the runway below the cockpit? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Well I'll be damned, DIRT RUNWAYS! or is that a road perhaps? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Hmm... I like that... a lot. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
But 'Atypical', surely it's 'Assymetrical'?
But I guess it being assymetrical is in fact atypical. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
About the runway - stating the obvious, my guess it's some kind of new fangled two tier airfield system. Those near the front have short, dirt runways; those near the HQ have long tarmac jobs.
This adds up with the fact that 1.07 is full of modifications requested by the players, and I believe many people have requested longer runways ever since the Lanc was introduced.
Of course, roads would be excellent. But I think it unlikely.
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Yes, the small forward fields have dirt runways. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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"Holy Underwear!"
John "SUPERFLY" Guytan - Art Director
HiTech Creations
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Originally posted by Pyro:
Gone like herpes isn't the same as gone.
And like herpes he goes on giving and giving........ (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Really looking forward to the Me-410
Is it gonna have the optional 50 mm cannon?
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sorry 'bout that Sancho, every line drawing I have has that bar, but on second look, I can't find a RL picture with that bar on it.......... that bar in now removed. Thnx for pointing that out.
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Nathan "NATEDOG" Mathieu
Art Director
HiTech Creations
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".... And on the eighth day, God created beer. "
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I found it strange your pulling 3G's at 230 MPH? Also to me the instruments don't look real. The pointers are the type you would find on an electric type indicators not mechanical. Also the artificial horizon looks like a standard General Aviation type indicator. All the indicators are too clean for my taste of what they had in WWII.
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Originally posted by Zetro:
I found it strange your pulling 3G's at 230 MPH? Also to me the instruments don't look real. The pointers are the type you would find on an electric type indicators not mechanical. Also the artificial horizon looks like a standard General Aviation type indicator. All the indicators are too clean for my taste of what they had in WWII.
Closer to 275MPH. You can pull a lot of Gs even going 200MPH, it's how fast you try to whip around the aircraft.
-SW
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It's not 275 it's marked off in 25 mph increments. The pointer is not even close to 275, ok i'll give ya 260 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Also noted per the VSI he is diving 4Kft per minute yet the nose in hardly pointed downward...something not right here
My point was IMHO and 20 years experience in the aircraft instrument business something doesn't look right. Maybe it's the pointers on the indicators or the white dials. WWII aircraft had yellow on black radium dials. The AH also is too small (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-whwk-
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Nothings been changed in the FM department, if you think somethings screwy download the AH FM and fly 'em around offline. The dials do have reaction delay, so he could be pulling out of a dive but the dials are still recalculating.
EDIT: And I said CLOSER to 275, NOT 275 exactly. It's between 250 and 275.
-SW
[This message has been edited by SeaWulfe (edited 05-24-2001).]
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Zetro the guages in AH are actually p51 guages with the exception of the British guages. I got them directly from a guage book. There are a few that were modified slightly for game design purposes.
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"Holy Underwear!"
John "SUPERFLY" Guytan - Art Director
HiTech Creations
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[This message has been edited by SUPERFLY (edited 05-24-2001).]
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Superfly our business is in Addison if you would like to come see WWII instruments up close. I would be glad to show you around and show you what I am talking about.
If interested email me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
instech1@novaone.net
-whwk-
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I'd love to see a revamp of instruments in all A/C AFTER we get a more complete planeset!
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A fix for the front view in the 109s one day would be nice too.
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what about the front view?
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Nathan "NATEDOG" Mathieu
Art Director
HiTech Creations
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".... And on the eighth day, God created beer. "
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The ugliest cocpit in AH is surely that of 190 !
Why the canopy framework texture of the Ta152 cannot also be used on the 190?
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Nate,
I think he's talking about the slanted bars in the front thingy that Nath used to harp on about. There's a couple of threads on it kicking around the Aircraft forum.
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Sean "Lephturn" Conrad - Aces High Chief Trainer
A proud member of the mighty Flying Pigs
http://www.flyingpigs.com
Check out Lephturn's Aerodrome (http://lephturn.webhop.net) for AH articles and training info!