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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: XtrmeJ on January 06, 2004, 01:09:15 AM
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Of course it's easy mode in all fun. But seriously someone today called me a skill-less dweeb because I fly P38's. I suggested he fly one against me and he of course said "he could whoop me". He would not accept :rolleyes: He went on ranting that all P38 drivers can do is BnZ and AKAK is one of the worsed ones. The thing is I was fighting him otd and he was in a spit. Irony of dweeb? :lol I was so surprised at this that I simply asked to duel him and he refused. I just chuckled to myself after he said this sentance "All P38 drivers can do pick, they cant fight at all!". He obviously doesnt know the meaning of "pick" because we were turn fighting on the deck. I couldnt beleive he was serious. Sad part is i cant recall his name to give to all the P38 drivers out there hehe.
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Well AKAK is the worst! The P-38 is overrated by some and underrated by others, but it is still a POS, and like all POS planes it needs alt (AKAK's an astronaut!). Trust me ... I fly POS planes myself, and if I see a P-38 below me it's toast. If I see it above me I'm running. ;)
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Geez, that AKAK sounds like a real jerk
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Geez, that AKAK sounds like a real jerk
ack-ack
Amen:aok
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And he's in good company! :D
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Sad part is i cant recall his name to give to all the P38 drivers out there hehe.
Names man, we need names! This thread is worthless without names! :D
Seriously though, of course all P-38 drivers are ack-hugging skilless BnZ dweebs who need an invincible uber-plane like the Lightning to survive. Nothing new there..
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I know its SAD I cant remember the guys name. Im so used to putting these dweebs outa my brain and at the time when I most need to remember a name so the whole P38 community can taunt him... I forget :p
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ILL FIND THAT BASTARD!
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Hehehehe I shot down a spit in a turn fight with the P-38 and the spit driver wanted to say I was hacking but couldn't quite come out and say it.
So I told him the truth, I got the hack from AckAck. Told him if he asked real nice he would pass it along to him too.
Salute Ack, there's nothing so fun as spoiling somebodys day with the POS-38.
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38MAW thats the one to watch in the MA in a p 38 , I've seen some pretty impressive turns and angles outta him :aok
(enough to get me to turn on film for later )
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dude.. youd be suprised what a low p38 can do to you in the right hands..:rolleyes:
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lazer sucks....
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Originally posted by Sway
dude.. youd be suprised what a low p38 can do to you in the right hands..:rolleyes:
just like what it can do in the wrong hands... die... alone... in the rain...
:rofl
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The P-38L is an easy mode aircraft. Its not the easiest, but it is easy.
Fly the A6M2, P-40B, Hurricane Mk I, Spitfire Mk I, Bf109E-4 or Bf110C-4b if you want a challenge. Anything less and you're just a poser.
;)
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Okay, I admit it... the mystery pilot was me. Come and get me, you skill-free easymode lamers.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Okay, I admit it... the mystery pilot was me. Come and get me, you skill-free easymode lamers.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Nothing worse then an old P38 pilot gone bad :)
Dan/Slack
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well apples are not oranges heh. I think i found out what squad the terd was in... I was......................
The Freebirds (lol)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Nothing worse then an old P38 pilot gone bad :)
Dan/Slack
LOL!
ack-ack
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The Freebirds (lol)
Doh
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This post is funny... p38 is an easymode ride when its in B&Z mode. The second you start to turn on the deck with spits/zekes, its another ball game. So i guess the people that call it easymode are the ones that sit at 20k and pounce on people 10k below them. ;)
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I was at 23k the other night flying with 1 1lefty and another 2 ship. I had a d-9 and he was in a LaLa. There we 2 x 38 's winging slightly below us. Lefty and I got the 2 guys separated and went to town pouncing the one guy we had by our self. Hey did a great job in that “POS” P-38. He managed to drag us both down to the deck and blow all of my much needed E in my Dora. I was so close to him most of the time I could see him working his flaps and rudder, but I couldn’t get my nose on to fire a shot. I finally got a good H/O on him while he had the La-7 on his 6 but dang, it was a good fight. There was no crying on channel 1 about the stupid dweeb H/O dork that just shot me down.. By the way, his wingman, the one we thought was killed by the other 2 ship in our flight swooped down at about 600KIAS and nailed me as I was making my victory roll over his chute.. Lesson here, in the right hands the P-38 is a great aircraft that should be respected when above you or has an E state better than yours. The aircraft you dont see is the one that is going to kill you every time reguardless of what type it is. I hate to say it, but its not the plane that kills you it’s the pilot. By the way Ak-Ak, I am looking for you. I will be at 30k all for the next week in my Dora. I have to land an Ak-Ak kill.
Long story short, dosent everyone have to much time on their hands if the only grip to yell about on the bbs is which planes suck the most.
Sorry about that, it was just a thought from a guy who is bored at work.. (S)
SkipNutz
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What dweeb got shot down by a dora? :D
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I didnt post this to have hime called a dweeb. We double teamed him from 5k above. I was only posting this to make the point that you need to watch out for the other wingman and that the 38 is a capable iarcraft in the right hands. Again. It not the plane that kills you, its the pilot.... I wont post his name here, because there is nothing to gain by it...
SkipNutz
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I could gang a pretty good laugh... ;)
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yea i sure you could Sway. I just dont want to be "one of those guys" who talk cheese about guys after we killed him. there is no need to rub it in his face in this forum. I will say that his score is below 300 and he flies a 38 alot. (Not akak). I cant wait to get a fight like that again. I wish that happened on a daily basis. Hey Sway which country do you fly for?
SkipNutz
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Who ever flys a P38 as just a BnZ is wasting the P38. There are many many planes that can do a better BnZ job than a P38, I mean seriously a plane in which u cant do squat if ur TAS appoaches 500mph (whilst ur IAS is still at 350mph), all u can do is chop throttle and deploy dive flaps, and then once u break out of compression climb to salvage some of that E.:confused:
:o I have a real problem in my P38 diving down on low cons thats why I almost never go beyond 15k and NEVER over 20k.....
If u wanna fly a P38..theres only 1 way to fight....STALLFIGHT:aok
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Sway flys for H2h because hes poor. Used to fly bishops in MA though.
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Originally posted by Sway
This post is funny... p38 is an easymode ride when its in B&Z mode. The second you start to turn on the deck with spits/zekes, its another ball game. So i guess the people that call it easymode are the ones that sit at 20k and pounce on people 10k below them. ;)
It's an EZ mode plane in all aspects. It is its EZ mode qualities that make it possible to out turn planes like the Spitfire Mk IX or the N1K2. Heck, it can even out turn a Hurricane in a stall fight. Total EZ mode plane.
ack-ack
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So AKAK.. if me and you were to duel in spit9/vs you in 38.. You'd beat me? Doubtful.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
It's an EZ mode plane in all aspects. It is its EZ mode qualities that make it possible to out turn planes like the Spitfire Mk IX or the N1K2. Heck, it can even out turn a Hurricane in a stall fight. Total EZ mode plane.
ack-ack
AkAk- I am showing how stupid I am here, but I keep hear (well seeing) the term "easy mode" What the heck does that mean... Comabt Trim, point and shoot, or is it mean the plane is easy to fly?.. Sorry for asking what you guys will think is a stupid question, but I want to get all my facts straight...
SkipNutz....
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Originally posted by Hazard69
Who ever flys a P38 as just a BnZ is wasting the P38. There are many many planes that can do a better BnZ job than a P38, I mean seriously a plane in which u cant do squat if ur TAS appoaches 500mph (whilst ur IAS is still at 350mph), all u can do is chop throttle and deploy dive flaps, and then once u break out of compression climb to salvage some of that E.:confused:
:o I have a real problem in my P38 diving down on low cons thats why I almost never go beyond 15k and NEVER over 20k.....
If u wanna fly a P38..theres only 1 way to fight....STALLFIGHT:aok
The P-38 is one of the best BnZ fighters in the game because of it's fantastic vertical performance.
I'm not the only one as most of the veteran P-38 pilots can tell you, the P-38 is controllable at 500mph TAS. Heck, I routinely get my P-38 up to about 475-490mph IAS in high speed dives and can easily pull out of my dive (without having to use manual trim). The key is don't enter into a high speed dive above 20,000ft. Below that altitude, you can dive safely and with the proper throttle managment and a little secret know-how, dives above 475mph IAS where you can still retain control of the Lightning is quite possible.
ack-ack
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Alright children settle down, ur pudding is ready.
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Not even worked up yet, just asking questions.
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Originally posted by T1loady
I was at 23k the other night flying with 1 1lefty and another 2 ship. I had a d-9 and he was in a LaLa. There we 2 x 38 's winging slightly below us. Lefty and I got the 2 guys separated and went to town pouncing the one guy we had by our self. Hey did a great job in that “POS” P-38. He managed to drag us both down to the deck and blow all of my much needed E in my Dora. I was so close to him most of the time I could see him working his flaps and rudder, but I couldn’t get my nose on to fire a shot. I finally got a good H/O on him while he had the La-7 on his 6 but dang, it was a good fight. There was no crying on channel 1 about the stupid dweeb H/O dork that just shot me down.. By the way, his wingman, the one we thought was killed by the other 2 ship in our flight swooped down at about 600KIAS and nailed me as I was making my victory roll over his chute.. Lesson here, in the right hands the P-38 is a great aircraft that should be respected when above you or has an E state better than yours. The aircraft you dont see is the one that is going to kill you every time reguardless of what type it is. I hate to say it, but its not the plane that kills you it’s the pilot. By the way Ak-Ak, I am looking for you. I will be at 30k all for the next week in my Dora. I have to land an Ak-Ak kill.
Long story short, dosent everyone have to much time on their hands if the only grip to yell about on the bbs is which planes suck the most.
Sorry about that, it was just a thought from a guy who is bored at work.. (S)
SkipNutz
I think that was my squadmate you ran into. You guys did a good job of seperating us because I was busy with these two planes while my squad mate dove for the deck to drag you guys down and burn your E. Lucky for me the guys I was dancing with made the mistake of dumping their E to get a quick snap shot that allowed me to down both of them. By the time I was clear of my fight and dove down to assist my squadmate, he had just been killed.
ack-ack
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Alotta people have made fine points here. It is true tho, alotta pilots will fly the P38 very high and BnZ and call it easy. Then there is the other group that fights with it and still calls it easy. EZ is just a term :) It's to make the other guys feel bad. After flying something for a while anything becomes EZ. Just a gesture P38 pilots use with each other ;)
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well if any plane is ez mode, it's not the N1K!
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Deffenetly Not!
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Originally posted by T1loady
AkAk- I am showing how stupid I am here, but I keep hear (well seeing) the term "easy mode" What the heck does that mean... Comabt Trim, point and shoot, or is it mean the plane is easy to fly?.. Sorry for asking what you guys will think is a stupid question, but I want to get all my facts straight...
SkipNutz....
Most of my comments about the P-38 being an EZ mode plane is made in jest but it does have some very good qualities that makes it easy to fly in certain situations. As someone pointed out, flying it as an E fighter is rather easy since all you really have to worry about is keeping your speed up and you don't really have to bother with flaps, unless it's to get you over the top of a stall loop at the end of a vertical zoom climb. That is why I usually tell those that ask me about the P-38 to fly it like you would a P-51B/D until you get used to the handling of the Lightning.
But for other stuff like turn fighting with planes like the C.202/205 or Spitfire, a little bit more knowledge is needed. In these cases you do have to have a firm grasp of using your flaps and throttle control. It does help though in these situations that the P-38 also has one of best low/stall speed handling characteristics in the game. This makes it possible for the P-38 to be able to hold its own against planes like the Spitfire in a turn fight but it does take some experience. One note though, at medium speeds the Spitfire will chew up the P-38. At speeds above 300mph and below 150mph (IAS), the P-38 has the edge.
ack-ack
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I am starting to think not everyone beleives what is being told. Anyone have films? My puter has just been clasified insane and I must abandoned it soon loosing all my films, which im not to happy about:mad:. Im sure i can get some of my squaddies to post some, I'm sure AKAK has a few.
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Just do a search of the forums for P-38 films and you'll see the films I've posted. I haven't posted any in a few months but when I go through my film library I'll post some more.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Karnak
The P-38L is an easy mode aircraft. Its not the easiest, but it is easy.
Fly the A6M2, P-40B, Hurricane Mk I, Spitfire Mk I, Bf109E-4 or Bf110C-4b if you want a challenge. Anything less and you're just a poser. ;)
Me! That's me (waves arms frantically to draw attention). I'm a poser!:rolleyes:
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Ackack.
Shoot me an e-mail if you dont' mind. Have a couple questions for ya. :)
Thank you sir.
jwg11@mlode.com
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AkAk- I am showing how stupid I am here, but I keep hear (well seeing) the term "easy mode" What the heck does that mean... Comabt Trim, point and shoot, or is it mean the plane is easy to fly?.. Sorry for asking what you guys will think is a stupid question, but I want to get all my facts straight...
Actually Easymode comes from WB's when they introduced a setting to make take-offs, stalls and landing easier. They used it in the main for a while then moved it to the cheap combat theater.
It's main drawback was that you couldn't stall fight because it would back you off when you stalled and just plain felt like much. It's sort of like the AH auto-takeoff feature.
The P-38 has counter rotating props so theres not torque on takoff and generally is very well behaved in stalls. thus... easymode.
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Tried out the P38 last night. Not a bad plane but you really have to know what you're doing with it. Managed to fly a P51 into the ground with it but that's about it. I had target written all over me. Three friendlies in the area and who do the bad guys go for, that's right the P38. Unfortunatley the only target I gave them was my front end and I lost both times, hits to the canopy. Like to think I did some damage as I saw some return hits.
Was mostly on the defensive last night... Did have it up to 500mph and found it was controlable with a little luvin care. Deceptively fast.
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I tried a 38 last night too, kinda liked it. i may have to stick with it for a bit and try to learn it, any good tips? im always willing to learn a thing or two. :)
~S~
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Shut up KillnU. These damn turns roaming my threads. Can I banish these loosers? ;)
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Originally posted by XtrmeJ
well apples are not oranges heh. I think i found out what squad the terd was in... I was......................
The Freebirds (lol)
OOps did we take too many bases from you?
Hey we have many new members that are newbies.
What can I say.
I feel that the P-38 If flown right is a kick butt plane.
I like to use it as a heavy fighter but for Dog fighting in it I SUK!!!
So for me I think that the P-38 is best left to those who want to learn how to fly it:)
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Originally posted by T1loady
I was at 23k the other night flying with 1 1lefty and another 2 ship. I had a d-9 and he was in a LaLa. There we 2 x 38 's winging slightly below us. Lefty and I got the 2 guys separated and went to town pouncing the one guy we had by our self. Hey did a great job in that “POS” P-38. He managed to drag us both down to the deck and blow all of my much needed E in my Dora. I was so close to him most of the time I could see him working his flaps and rudder, but I couldn’t get my nose on to fire a shot. I finally got a good H/O on him while he had the La-7 on his 6 but dang, it was a good fight. There was no crying on channel 1 about the stupid dweeb H/O dork that just shot me down.. By the way, his wingman, the one we thought was killed by the other 2 ship in our flight swooped down at about 600KIAS and nailed me as I was making my victory roll over his chute.. Lesson here, in the right hands the P-38 is a great aircraft that should be respected when above you or has an E state better than yours. The aircraft you dont see is the one that is going to kill you every time reguardless of what type it is. I hate to say it, but its not the plane that kills you it’s the pilot. By the way Ak-Ak, I am looking for you. I will be at 30k all for the next week in my Dora. I have to land an Ak-Ak kill.
Long story short, dosent everyone have to much time on their hands if the only grip to yell about on the bbs is which planes suck the most.
Sorry about that, it was just a thought from a guy who is bored at work.. (S)
SkipNutz
Man this story sounds familer. 'Cept the P-38 threw an when he took the HO. But afterwords the 38 said that the dora did some nice agressive flying so the HO was no biggie. And was only dissapointed the la7 didnt lose any parts getting pinged up.
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Originally posted by XtrmeJ
Alright children settle down, ur pudding is ready.
If you dont eat your meat, you cant have any pudding.
How can you have any pudding if you dont eat your meat?
This P-38 sounds like an interesting plane, I will have to give it a try sometime:)
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this guy murdr to, he seems to be hidding something. I cant put my finger on it. I'll figure this out. Im sure... nooo.. maybe ...
coulda sworn i've seen him in a P38 before. Need to ban these sarcastic SOB's. Getting on my nerves ;) j/k
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Murdr in a P-38? You've got just as much chance of seeing that dweeb in a P-38 as you do seeing me on the deck.
ack-ack
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ahh the gig is up. Truth reveiled. Althought before I turned Knight that same knight I ended up flying with ya akak, you were on the deck. So, once again I will have to execute some more investigation. Damn you jerks, sarcasm always gets me.
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Ok, just now reading backwards, I noticed some squeeking from the peanut gallery.
To me any pilot that can take a fight with 2 higher faster bogies, with 4 more in vis, and fight the 2 across 6 kp points in 2 sectors, from 20k to the deck (without a panic dive), and then tangle with the 2 on the deck for a couple minutes, and only allow a HO, they must be doing something right :p I could have done more than just ping the la7 twice, both times I would have instantly picked by the dora if I persisted. At any rate, akak and silat both heard me call out the end game way before it happened.
Vox
Murdr: damit, im STILL alone with these 2 guys trying to tag team me
Silat: where ya at murdr?
Murdr: #,#,kp1
Silat: ok, i see ya
AKAK:(paraphrase) 2 sectors away
Murdr: damit, this la7 is going to force me to evade, then then the dora will HO me.
(enemy lead/trail formation, try any fancy overshoot moves and the trail will pop you)
I amost stayed out of the HO to, which is very hard to do with both hugging the deck. But I lost a wingtip, so I just rode it out awhile to give silat some time. Then when it was clear I was going to get poped within 3 seconds, I jumped in the silk and watched silat scream in and clip both of them :)
The HO was the only ping I took the entire flight across 6 sectors, and several high nme, I feel no shame:aok
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Hehe Murdr. When I came along your path that night i knew you were one of the P38's and 1 was akak. Both of you were flying extremly well for the ammount of numbers there. I made a few passes and pinged AKAK. Decided to do another pass as It looked like (what I didnt know to be akak) a P38 was on the 6 of a friendly. Decided to make a pass to get him off, no intending to kill him, and scare him off. Turned out he did as I predicted but then came onto my 6. I went into a vertical climb and somone came and blasted akak thus giving me the assist. I didnt want to keep attacking as it was 6 v 1 or something imnot sure of the numbers. Murdr died sometime later. That was some sweet flying tho guys
. Thats what made me decide to change to knights. No squaddies on, reduced to fly sloppy seconds ;)
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It doesn't really matter if the P-38 is a "Easy Mode" plane or not does it? I mean, really, if I ever decide to load up AH again (been very tempted lately) then I will still own you all in my F4U-C, now that is an true "Easy Mode" plane.:D
Booky
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It was fun, I got 3 kills, and pulled like a dozen evasives, think I only took pings twice. Oh, and the best part (kind of) I survived all the other friendlies (for a little while anyways):)
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ahh Heard you vulched alot in that thing Booky, just what i hear from many ppl tho, this isnt a personal attack ;) ill give you names.
Yah murdr I saw most of the attacks on you. Usually when there are that many on 2 P38's I'd stay out, eve if one of you were gonna kill a friendly, they are morons for being killed with that many numbers. But I was already flying that guys way and decided to save the poor SOB, still have aquired my beer from him yet.
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Vulched? Well yeah I did my share. Those were the oens that I landed 50 kills a sortie (never could get the 100+ that some people managed to get).
But I also had my share of decent comments :-)
I remember Silat saying (does he still fly btw?) something to the effect of, I ain't never seen a f4 do that on the deck before! :D
I admit I vulched a lot, but I prefered to call it surpressing the field:lol But I also liked to get down and dirty in it. You will see when I get the wife to let me subscribe to yet another sim. I already subscribed to wwiionline for the tanks and eve-online for my mmorpgchatwasteoftimeaddictin gbestlookinggameieverseeninmy entirelife fix.
Anyway, hope to see you all in my sights soon, but with another semester of school comming up and working 50 hours a week, and flying 4 hours a week for real im not sure I will have time for any of my games. We will see.
Booky
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ah GL with work. It's a some*****.
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I thought easy mode was not having stall limiter off. Thus I understood ack-acks sarcasm perfectly. Ive been playing for 2 years and just took stall limiter off 2 days ago.!. Noone ever told me what it was..i seemed to do well with it on, but I now know how pilots outperformed me when they shouldnt have.
-The Enlightened One
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Hey Murdr, Im still looking for round 2......(S)
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Hey, Killnu and Murdr... Maybe we should try it together so we have a better chance of living. Im too scared to try it alone... :(
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Originally posted by T1loady
I was so close to him most of the time I could see him working his flaps and rudder
That reminds me, last night I took up a P-38 just for kicks. It was just after sundown and the shadows were getting long when a lone Spitfire V started milkrunning my burning airfield. I managed to get airborne when he got distracted vulching something and we got into a low-alt turnfight. We would go around in a tight turn with me pumping the flaps and rudder while he just yanked and banked but neither one of us could get a lead turn for a shot. He'd break off and accellerate away before I could get my nose around in time to fire off a shot, then come back and we'd turn some more, then he'd break off again and set up for another merge.
After awhile of my chasing him through the smoke of the airfield (we're both on the deck now), he rev's back in a climbing turn to my right, so I kick right rudder and as we pass I open up with my cannon and stitch a line of shells from his engine to his canopy. Then I hear the thud of cannons in my plane and it falls to pieces.
As I'm hanging in my chute, I look over to see if I got the Spitfire and sure enough he's hanging in his chute, too.
Then he gets on Channel One and gives me grief about ramming him! :eek:
As near as I could tell, I had popped him at point-blank range as he crossed my nose to the right, and I thought I had been popped by another plane, like a low LA-7 or Typhoon or something, because of the cannons hitting my frame. He said I'd clipped him with my right wing. Well, I don't know if I did or not, but if a nimble Spitfire V can't get out of the way of a slow P-38, that's just poor pilotage.
Lesson learned? I should stick to the Corsair for night-time engagements. I would've had him after the first merge on an overshoot. :)
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
The P-38 is one of the best BnZ fighters in the game because of it's fantastic vertical performance.
I'm not the only one as most of the veteran P-38 pilots can tell you, the P-38 is controllable at 500mph TAS. Heck, I routinely get my P-38 up to about 475-490mph IAS in high speed dives and can easily pull out of my dive (without having to use manual trim). The key is don't enter into a high speed dive above 20,000ft. Below that altitude, you can dive safely and with the proper throttle managment and a little secret know-how, dives above 475mph IAS where you can still retain control of the Lightning is quite possible.
ack-ack
How about sharing that "little secret know how" amongst fellow P38 drivers......c'mon spit it out.....cought it up......:) :aok :D
Seriously could you please tell me how to dive my P38 that fast and not loose control....u can drop me a mail if u like at
mailrush2003@yahoo.com
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Originally posted by gofaster
That reminds me, last night I took up a P-38 just for kicks. It was just after sundown and the shadows were getting long when a lone Spitfire V started milkrunning my burning airfield. I managed to get airborne when he got distracted vulching something and we got into a low-alt turnfight. We would go around in a tight turn with me pumping the flaps and rudder while he just yanked and banked but neither one of us could get a lead turn for a shot. He'd break off and accellerate away before I could get my nose around in time to fire off a shot, then come back and we'd turn some more, then he'd break off again and set up for another merge.
After awhile of my chasing him through the smoke of the airfield (we're both on the deck now), he rev's back in a climbing turn to my right, so I kick right rudder and as we pass I open up with my cannon and stitch a line of shells from his engine to his canopy. Then I hear the thud of cannons in my plane and it falls to pieces.
As I'm hanging in my chute, I look over to see if I got the Spitfire and sure enough he's hanging in his chute, too.
Then he gets on Channel One and gives me grief about ramming him! :eek:
As near as I could tell, I had popped him at point-blank range as he crossed my nose to the right, and I thought I had been popped by another plane, like a low LA-7 or Typhoon or something, because of the cannons hitting my frame. He said I'd clipped him with my right wing. Well, I don't know if I did or not, but if a nimble Spitfire V can't get out of the way of a slow P-38, that's just poor pilotage.
Lesson learned? I should stick to the Corsair for night-time engagements. I would've had him after the first merge on an overshoot. :)
Am I reading this right? Are you saing that a Corsair will get a Spit V cause the Spit will always overshoot and night has something to do with this?
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Heheheh, I'm sorta puzzled myself about this one.;)
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Try cutting throttle before dive, slipping rudder to create drag, do large barrel rolls on the way down, and if you ever get to the point where you can't move enough with just your stick, hit the dive breaks and trim out manually. :D Thats how I do it anyways, and Im a nOob. :P
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Originally posted by Hazard69
How about sharing that "little secret know how" amongst fellow P38 drivers......c'mon spit it out.....cought it up......:) :aok :D
Seriously could you please tell me how to dive my P38 that fast and not loose control....u can drop me a mail if u like at
mailrush2003@yahoo.com
After I searched for all posts by Ack-Ack I became twice the pilot I used to be. Keep an eye out for films, they're a big help.
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Hehe what lazer said hazard. Pretty simple to do once you start compressing, and you can still have control.
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[Your right it's not the plane it's the pilot.
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i cut throttle and use rudder, if need be ill use dive brake. :D
~S~
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unless your handle is beet1e your whole game is easy mode.
you should probably just log off and kill yourself.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Geez, that AKAK sounds like a real jerk
ack-ack
He is way beyond "JERK".
:D
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Originally posted by T1loady
By the way, his wingman, the one we thought was killed by the other 2 ship in our flight swooped down at about 600KIAS and nailed me as I was making my victory roll over his chute..
SkipNutz
I really didnt want to kill you :) <>
;)
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The P38 has always intrigued me, and I am always in awe when watching a competent P38 pilot fly, but I have never been really had much success in it. Well, this thread inspired me to try it last night.
I hooked up with the Nomads, Delirium in particular, and between him and Silat, I got a brief, but comprehensive tutorial on how to fly this behemoth.
COMBAT TRIM OFF !!! - MANUAL TRIM ONLY !!! (new concept for me)
Well, I got my arse handed to me quite a bit for the first hour or so but as the time passed and I became more familar with trimming this bird, the results started to slide back in my favor.
Had a great fight with Souls ... him buzzin my P38 on the deck with a 109 I believe, for what seemed like hours. I started to get a blister on my thumb, trimming and workin the flaps like a madman to create the evasives and finally produce a snapshot that got him smokin. In the end, someone in a LaLa decided that he and I were having too much fun and wacked me while climbing in the vert to get another shot. <> Souls ... <> to the LaLa :D
After that sortie, I believe I then went something like 16 or 18 and 0 in the P38. It was an ephiphany to say the least. That is one killin machine but far from EasyMode !!! I am not getting a big head over my success, I realize that I have a long way to go, but it gave me the impetus to continue trying.
<> and thanks to my Nomad buddies ... Delirium and Silat for taking some time to introduce me to the world of the P38.
I will be scouring the threads looking for links to films from some of the P38 aces we have here in AH. You could save me some time and put some in this thread ... :D
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I'm swearing off of P-38s. Thing can't roll worth a hoot, its too big and clumsy to avoid HO'ing Spitfires, and compresses just about the time I start getting close enough to Mustangs, Typhoons, and LA-7s to actually have a shot at hitting them. N1ks own P-38s, as do Yaks and Hurricanes.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
The P38 has always intrigued me, and I am always in awe when watching a competent P38 pilot fly, but I have never been really had much success in it. Well, this thread inspired me to try it last night.
I hooked up with the Nomads, Delirium in particular, and between him and Silat, I got a brief, but comprehensive tutorial on how to fly this behemoth.
Careful around Delirium Slapshot. He's one of those guys who claims to be lousy, and apologizes for his kills, when in fact he's about as deadly as they come. I've flown wing with him a lot going back to the AW days in the Nomads.
His SA is incredible. He sees everything going on. Once again he'll deny being anything but being lousy but don't believe him. He's a lot like Leviathn in that respect. I know that I stay alive a lot longer when he's around.
We were up on Wednesday night in 38s over 39. He's popping baduns regularly and I'm actually getting kills. We finally head back with low fuel. I'm thinking, three kills, about 400 rounds left of 50 cal. I didn't do to bad for me. Del says he's got about 900 rounds left.
We land. Slack 3 kills.......Del 10 kills.....
Damn frightening it was :)
As for Silat. he sucks, but then again everyone knows that :)
Dan/Slack
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Originally posted by SlapShot
The P38 has always intrigued me, and I am always in awe when watching a competent P38 pilot fly, but I have never been really had much success in it. Well, this thread inspired me to try it last night.
I hooked up with the Nomads, Delirium in particular, and between him and Silat, I got a brief, but comprehensive tutorial on how to fly this behemoth.
COMBAT TRIM OFF !!! - MANUAL TRIM ONLY !!! (new concept for me)
Well, I got my arse handed to me quite a bit for the first hour or so but as the time passed and I became more familar with trimming this bird, the results started to slide back in my favor.
Had a great fight with Souls ... him buzzin my P38 on the deck with a 109 I believe, for what seemed like hours. I started to get a blister on my thumb, trimming and workin the flaps like a madman to create the evasives and finally produce a snapshot that got him smokin. In the end, someone in a LaLa decided that he and I were having too much fun and wacked me while climbing in the vert to get another shot. <> Souls ... <> to the LaLa :D
After that sortie, I believe I then went something like 16 or 18 and 0 in the P38. It was an ephiphany to say the least. That is one killin machine but far from EasyMode !!! I am not getting a big head over my success, I realize that I have a long way to go, but it gave me the impetus to continue trying.
<> and thanks to my Nomad buddies ... Delirium and Silat for taking some time to introduce me to the world of the P38.
I will be scouring the threads looking for links to films from some of the P38 aces we have here in AH. You could save me some time and put some in this thread ... :D
Mission accomplished boys we've snagged another one. Goooo fishin. hehe. Slap I come knight alot when squaddies are gone, I'll look ya up and we can wing. We'll grab some others if they are on.
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Originally posted by Hazard69
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
The P-38 is one of the best BnZ fighters in the game because of it's fantastic vertical performance.
I'm not the only one as most of the veteran P-38 pilots can tell you, the P-38 is controllable at 500mph TAS. Heck, I routinely get my P-38 up to about 475-490mph IAS in high speed dives and can easily pull out of my dive (without having to use manual trim). The key is don't enter into a high speed dive above 20,000ft. Below that altitude, you can dive safely and with the proper throttle managment and a little secret know-how, dives above 475mph IAS where you can still retain control of the Lightning is quite possible.
ack-ack
How about sharing that "little secret know how" amongst fellow P38 drivers......c'mon spit it out.....cought it up......:) :aok :D
Seriously could you please tell me how to dive my P38 that fast and not loose control....u can drop me a mail if u like at
mailrush2003@yahoo.com
First, don't use combat trim. Next, manually trim the elevator so the trim indicator is on the __ of the L where it says ELV.
E
L _
V
That's the approximate neutral position. You'll notice that your dive flaps will work far better when your plane is trimmed to approximate neutral.
ack-ack
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ack-ack ...
Do you use the dive flaps when/while dogfighting or only when dropping from alt for the bounce or JABO ?
Thinking again about last night ... (chuckling to myself)
The first 2 sorties I flew, I am in immediate dogfights at A44. I am trying to turn this badboy and it ain't turning for sqaut. I get killed rather quickly. Up again, same thing ... won't turn ... sluggish ... killed quickly again. So I am saying to myself ... this plane is a PIG !!! but I'll persevere and give it another go. While climbing out it hits me like a train ... toggle secondary weapons !!!
I tryin to dogfight this badboy on the deck with 2 x 1000 and 10 rocks. I tell Delirium my oversight and I am sure he was dying with laughter but still remaining graceous.
Amazing what that plane will do without the extras !!!
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First off, ignore Slack... I'm not any good, and frankly I still have alot to learn about the P38.
Imho, the P38 is an easy plane to fly and more difficult to master than most in the MA, more so when you constantly fight against a/c that have better zoom peformance. Problem is, they can't nose over as well after the climb like the P38 can. :aok
Fighting with eggs and rockets is a good crutch, Slap, do that for a week and you'll be swinging like Babe Ruth when you take them off. :D
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Slap shot flaps are key as is trimming ur elevator. Once you can get this down to a habit fighting becomes just as easy as flying your spit. As was said earlier dont fly with combat trim, and I keep my stall limiter off. You should see a big upgrade in performance. I'll look for ya tonight, maybe we'll wing.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
ack-ack ...
Do you use the dive flaps when/while dogfighting or only when dropping from alt for the bounce or JABO ?
I'll engage my dive flaps a few seconds before I start my dive, whether it's a dive on an unsuspecting prey or a dive bomb run. I'll also use the dive flaps when I'm in a turn fight above 300mph but only during the turn and will disengage them as soon as the turn is over. The reason is that the dive flaps on the P-38 pitch the nose up when they are engaged. This is what helps you in pulling out of high speed dives. The nose up pitch the dive flaps give the P-38 can also aid it in high speed turn fights but at lower speeds (below 300mph IAS) the dive flaps are relatively useless. If you don't have your plane trimmed to neutral, the dive flaps really don't work that well.
ack-ack
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in all actuality, everyone..including myself... whines complains etc about every other player/plane etc.
truth is we all fly those same planes doing those same things:rolleyes:
as for the p38, i am learning it and i like it, its a mix of bnz and tnb.
ackack is a good teacher:rofl
Sadist
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Thanks Ack-Ack <
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Originally posted by Booky
I remember Silat saying (does he still fly btw?) something to the effect of, I ain't never seen a f4 do that on the deck before! :D
Booky
Booky I wasnt talking about your flying skills. What I said was something about you flying that f4 upside down with your dress over you head and not augering. :)
Hiya BOOKY :lol
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Guys! Yr killing the best kept secret by talking about it! Sssshhh!!!!!! Already!
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Originally posted by Murdr
I amost stayed out of the HO to, which is very hard to do with both hugging the deck. But I lost a wingtip, so I just rode it out awhile to give silat some time. Then when it was clear I was going to get poped within 3 seconds, I jumped in the silk and watched silat scream in and clip both of them :)
The HO was the only ping I took the entire flight across 6 sectors, and several high nme, I feel no shame:aok
I wouldn't call it a HO shot but more of a snap shot.9 I dont want to be called the HO dweeb) You know I could not out turn you in a D9, I was trying to get behind you and bam, your right in front of me.. Didnt have a lot of choice. BTW, you were shooting to if i remember corectly.. It was a great fight....
SkipNutz
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Originally posted by Hornet
unless your handle is beet1e your whole game is easy mode.
you should probably just log off and kill yourself.
Gee thanks, coffee on the monitor! :lol
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Originally posted by T1loady
I wouldn't call it a HO shot but more of a snap shot.9 I dont want to be called the HO dweeb) You know I could not out turn you in a D9, I was trying to get behind you and bam, your right in front of me.. Didnt have a lot of choice. BTW, you were shooting to if i remember corectly.. It was a great fight....
SkipNutz
You do not remember correctly. I managed to ping the la7 and break with you both facing away. You were both chasing dead 6 on deck d1.2 and 1.9. After a sucessful 180 evasive of the la7 I attempted to hop over and roll right of a HO, which was unlikely to succeed anyways due to the loss of speed evading the la7, and both being within 50ft off the deck. You may characterize the shot however you feel comfortable with, but that does not change the situation that I had done a full reversal with less than 2 seconds to react to you, and your own vector had been constant for 10 + seconds. And I certianly was not firing while I was doing what little I could to avoid a HO.
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He's a dem-o-crat...