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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SeaWulfe on May 24, 2001, 07:47:00 AM
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Until end of Tour.
Check out Spit and N1K2 stats.
So are they next? Not that I care, I just want to know how many hypocrits we have out there.
-SW
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Yes. Perk them.
spits are play things designed for spoiled little boys.
NIKs are little play things designed for hairless neutered men.
Everything should have some perk value.
Y
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Anything that can engage, and disengage the enemy at will should be perked, this puts the P51D at the top of the list.
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Looks like the LA7 is the most common plane out there to me. They're everywhere all the time. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Anything that can engage, and disengage the enemy at will should be perked, this puts the P51D at the top of the list.
Seems that would put the Dora at the top of the list (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) P-51D and La-7 would be the runners-up. Pun intended (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
AKDejaVu
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"tweeeee" (sound of pitch pipe)
"Perk 'em all!
Perk 'em all!
The large and the fast and the small.
Perk all the Nikkis and C-Hogs in blue,
Perk anything that can shoot back at you!
`cause they're asking to just perk 'em all
As back to their Gruppen they crawl,
There'll be constant crying
as long as they're dying,
So cheer up, my lads,
Perk 'em all!
Nobody knows if the FM's are true,
So cheer up, my lads,
Perk 'em all!"
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A quick peruse of the statistics seem to show that the N1K and the Spit IX both have about the same number of kills. If taken as “twins” they both seem to have approximately twice the number of kills as the aircraft below it. Wasn’t that the perk criteria?
Zippatuh
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Exactly my point Zip... that was my whole thing about "hypocrits"
-SW
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lol, where are you numbers guys now?! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by SeaWulfe:
Until end of Tour.
Check out Spit and N1K2 stats.
So are they next? Not that I care, I just want to know how many hypocrits we have out there.
-SW
Why would they be next?
Both have poor Kill/Death ratios, and both COMBINED, at best will barely match the total kills of the CHog last tour, and may well be under.
Just goes to prove my point that the only people arguing to perk more aircraft aren't the people that wanted the CHog perked, strangely, it's people trying to prove their anti-Chog perking argument that people will demand everything to perk.
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I never flew the F4U-1C, well maybe once in tour 9... it didn't matter to me that it was perked... didn't effect me at all.
I just don't like the inconsistency. There were so many things flung about until you finally hit the nail on the head (well sorta). It had double the kills of anything else in the arena.
Well now we have 2 planes with double the kills of anything else in the arena, are we being hypocritical or selective?
Or is it that it was based on kill/death. No? It was total kills? Wait! I thought it was the guns? Or was it that "uber" <snicker> FM?
I told you all, when you perk the Chog the next plane or planes with percieved advantages (real or not) will recieve the most attention.
We can see it in action, 3 weeks after the F4U-1C was perked.
-SW
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Originally posted by Zippatuh:
A quick peruse of the statistics seem to show that the N1K and the Spit IX both have about the same number of kills. If taken as “twins” they both seem to have approximately twice the number of kills as the aircraft below it. Wasn’t that the perk criteria?
Zippatuh
Nope, it was ONE plane having 20% of the arena kills. And ONE plane having well over twice the kills of the next highest aircraft.
Interesting to see the really weak arguments that people are reduced to now that the anti-Chog perkers are totally humiliated by the total failure of their predictions that the Niki would take all of the Chog sorties, while in actuality the Chog sorties ended up spread among a wide variety of aircraft, making for a more fun and interesting arena, just as the pro-CHog perkers forecast.
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Torgo, perking it had NOTHING to do with K/D ratio, only % of usage.
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I must be thick.
Niki this tour. 11708 kills 11039 deaths
-12500 kills or so last tour
Spit IX this tour. 11445 kills 10883 deaths
-11500 kills or so last tour
F4U1c last tour 27717 kills 20022 deaths
How do those numbers justify the comments made?
Only the experts at the Ministry of Hog Hypocrisy can do the math that makes those numbers comparable..
Both these planes where popular befor the perking of the chog...They have barly increased in numbers at all.
The pilot hours have been spread over several other plane types as well..
This is somehow going to be presented as a failure of the move to perk the chog? LOLOLOLOLOLOL
pathetic.
but go for it guys...
the world waits.
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Chog perking has worked well, I see a large number of F4U1D and 47s some Typhs, and no really larger number of nikis and spits.
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Originally posted by Pongo:
I must be thick.
Niki this tour. 11708 kills 11039 deaths
-12500 kills or so last tour
Spit IX this tour. 11445 kills 10883 deaths
-11500 kills or so last tour
F4U1c last tour 27717 kills 20022 deaths
How do those numbers justify the comments made?
Only the experts at the Ministry of Hog Hypocrisy can do the math that makes those numbers comparable..
Both these planes where popular befor the perking of the chog...They have barly increased in numbers at all.
The pilot hours have been spread over several other plane types as well..
This is somehow going to be presented as a failure of the move to perk the chog? LOLOLOLOLOLOL
pathetic.
but go for it guys...
the world waits.
Remember, it was based on % of kills not numbers of...
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Just to stop the distortions, here are the blunt numbers:
All planes have 122703 kills and have been killed 122703 times. 100%
The N1K2 has 11730 kills and has been killed 11055 times. 9.6%
The Spitfire Mk IX has 11467 kills and has been killed 10903 times. 9.3%
The P-51D has 6581 kills and has been killed 6547 times. 5.4%
The F4U-1C has 6011 kills and has been killed 2866 times. 4.9%
The La-7 has 5837 kills and has been killed 5098 times. 4.8%
The Typhoon IB has 5491 kills and has been killed 4499 times. 4.5%
The Bf 109G-10 has 4794 kills and has been killed 4280 times. 3.9%
The F4U-1D has 4245 kills and has been killed 5256 times. 3.5%
The Fw 190D-9 has 3695 kills and has been killed 2573 times. 3.0%
The SpitV has 3109 kills and has been killed 3566 times. 2.5%
Just for fun:
The Ostwind has 11839 kills and has been killed 7186 times. 9.6%
The Panzer IV H has 7284 kills and has been killed 5820 times. 5.9%
No aircraft has 20% of the kills, hell, no aircraft even has 10% of the kills. No aircraft has more than twice the number of kills of the aircraft below it, the Spitfire IX and N1K2 have had nearly, but not quite, double the numbers of the aircraft below them for the previous two tours as well. The F4U-1C has not disappeared from the MA, it is the 4th most productive fighter, though its loss numbers indicate that it is rarer than its kill numbers would suggest.
It seems that perking the F4U-1C did not result in the N1K2 or Spitfire MkIX taking its place.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Mosquito FB.MkVI Series 2 to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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Niki and Spit IX?? guys, that's not what has the most kills so far in the tour...
The Ostwind has 11839 kills and has been killed 7187 times.
that's a couple hundred more than the Niki. So if you're talking about perking Niki and Spit IX, you better be talking about perking the Osti too! Unless you who are using the term hypocrite want to be one yourself. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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The only thing I would like is an explanation of the perking criteria for existing aircraft. Yes there was a post form someone at HTC about the use of the Chog but as far as I can remember it just stated that “they were taking a look at it”. Still there has been no defined explanation other than the ones presented by the pro-perkers.
Numbers, all right let’s talk numbers. Theoretically it is impossible to compare numbers accurately unless certain conditions apply. The same conditions such as map, number of players, and time of year would need to be compared for an accurate reference. In the programmatic world I would think the version of FM also would need to be included. Does this condition apply? No. There is not enough history to make an accurate assumption.
So, what now? The numbers on the Chog have dropped to an “acceptable” level and maybe even lower. Will it now be un-perked? No idea, there is not an established criteria for perking existing aircraft.
Do I want the Chog un-perked? Yes. Why? It is the single best aircraft, IMO, for ATG and a hog in the air is usually an easy target unless an experienced pilot is flying it. Again, IMO, it is a very difficult aircraft to be proficient at. What was the saying, “Ensign Eliminator”, hmmmmm.
Until there is a published criteria it will always look like the Chog was perked due to a lot of bruised egos. I only ask for a standard not subjectivity on the whims of pilots downed by an “uber” arircraft.
Are my arguments weak? Well, I guess that’s subjective also. Especially since I can’t base my arguments on a published standard can I?
Zippatuh
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Originally posted by Torgo:
Both have poor Kill/Death ratios... <snip>
So, Torgo, what exactly was the Kill/death ratio of the Chog before it was perked?
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In addition to Zips "Metrics and baseline Gathering 101 lesson"...we also had that historically high number of Chogs when the NDIsles terrain was relatively new.
Now, lets set up an arena where the Philippines map is used, I'd bet we'd get 20% of N1K's up (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Looks like the LA7 is the most common plane out there to me. They're everywhere all the time. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'd have to agree with this one hblair. I've seen more La-7s than N1Ks and Spit-9s combined. Sometimes I see these total use numbers and wonder where the arena those numbers are grabbed from is located.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
I'd have to agree with this one hblair. I've seen more La-7s than N1Ks and Spit-9s combined. Sometimes I see these total use numbers and wonder where the arena those numbers are grabbed from is located.
AKDejaVu
Guess it depends on who you fly for and when you fly. I see more Spits than anything, mostly IX's with some V's mixed in. Few seafires this map. I see La-7 about the same as I'll see a 190. D Ponies I see a little more than the La-7, and of course Nikis a little under Spit (because there are 3 spit variants.)
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BTW... N1Ks and Spit9's are combining for 28% of the fighter kills (14% a piece). During the height of the F4u-1C whining... it was around 18-19%.
People were complaining that no 4 aircraft should have half the kills in the arena.. but still... 4 aircraft have half of the kills in the arena. It just highlights how stats can be used when it suits you and ignored when it does not.
Still waiting to see how the end of the month stats look. The numbers are way down, and I do believe it is due to a combination of boredom and the perking of a popular plane.
AKDejaVu
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The Ostwind currently accounts for 58% of all ground vehicle kills.
Its easily maintains a K/D ratio of 1.6
The CHog never even came close to those stats.
Its obvious what must be perked next, no later than 1.7 if the perk system is to claim any kind of rationality and consistency.
Regards,
Wab
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And while you are at it perk the Panzer IV cause it is the highest scorring medium tank in the game.
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AKDejaVu,
I subtracted all Vehicle, Bomber and Boat/Ship kills from the total number of kills in Tour 15 to arrive at the number of Fighter kills as 128,440.
In Tour 15:
Fighters had 128440 kills.
The F4U-1C has 27717 kills and has been killed 20022 times.
The F4U-1C had 21.6% of the fighter kills in Tour 15.
AKWabbit,
Nice angle shift, kinda meaningless, but nice. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Mosquito FB.MkVI Series 2 to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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Originally posted by Karnak:
Nice angle shift, kinda meaningless, but nice. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Meaningless as in it doesn't suit your mood? Or meaningless in it doesn't matter to you because you aren't dying to it? Or meaningless to you because you only dogfight and don't ground pound?
Before when you guys wanted the F4U-1C perked, you constantly said "But there's an equivelant in the hangar not being used" (by the way, has the same usage as it did last tour for the F4U-1D)....
Well we *DO* have an M16, quad .50s capable of firing and hitting further than aircraft guns.
So we can perk the Ostwind right?
As long as something gets perked...
-SW
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The CHOG was perked because people complained that when ever you saw aircraft, too high a percentage of them turned out to be CHOG's.
Ask yourself when you see ground vehicles, what percentage of them turn out to be Ostwinds?
I don't see a lot of variety myself. I HAVE flown about airfields and seen the ground covered in Ostwind and more pouring out of the VH like those flesh eating scarabs in "The Mummy". I'm tired of only seeing one kind of ground vehicle. There never has, nor will ever be a more blatent case for perking.
Regards,
Wab
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Just a statistical nitpick...
The low alt furball planes (N1K, Spit) will certainly get more kills than the long cruise high alt planes (P51, 109, 190) just because of the manner in which they are flown and time invested to get the kills...
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Karnak, I was refering to fighter vs fighter kills. Its a bit tougher than what you did, unless you want to do it for every fighter with each individual bomber and GV.
As of now, we are on par to a 20% reduction in those numbers. Pulling out all F4u-1C kills does account for that loss.
AKDejaVu
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Gads, I just love how the perk and point system has brought this community together....
Lets just perk the perk system and let players fly what they want for their $30.00 a month. That should be the only perk payment required.
Mav
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I can't believe the amount of whining created around the chog perking..
I think the ones making noise now are the ones who can't score kills without the chog lasercannons. It's logical.. If they would do well enough in other planes, they'd have the perk points to fly chog anyway.
And all this _must_ be generated from chog - it's the only plane that was perked from the old cast.
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So, MrSid, by that logic.. the only one's complaining about the CHog needing to be perked were the one's that couldn't handle going up against one.
See how much Wulfie has flown a Chog. See how much I have. Come back with a different argument.
AKDejaVu
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Hey Sid, check out AKSWulfe's stats.. Then get back to me.
I just don't like the idea that it's inconsistent and a lot of hypocritical arguments were used to perk the F4U-1C but dropped the day it was perked.
"MY toejam don't stink, but your's sure does"
-SW