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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: streetstang on January 06, 2004, 01:20:12 PM
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Hey all... This question has probably been asked in the past once or twice before... But I was just curious as to what your favorit rides are in AH... What do you fly most/like most and for what reasons?
I for one like the P51-D... Its a nice plane over all... Although from stories and talking to others, I feel its a bit under powerd, but is still a very fast and nimble plane... you can Jabo with it if you need to and its a very well suited fighter platform for turn fighting or E Fighting... I have many other reasons why I fly it but those are the first ones that come to mind... Im most intrested in the Hog squads out there also.
All!
Morph
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I fly the N1k2 or the Spit IX or the La7, because they are 1337.
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Fw 190 a-5 because roll rate in a 1 on 1 dogfight can change the way the fight is going easily and then the firepower is decent and the turning radius is better then the spit 14 the only real drawback of the plane is its range.....
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Originally posted by Urchin
I fly the N1k2 or the Spit IX or the La7, because they are 1337.
hehe urchin... I know your real love is the 109... Common now;)
Maybe im slow but... 1337?
Morph
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1337 = leet = "elite". Good/great, whatever.
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My favorite ride is the P-51D, just because it combines great speed, decent roll rate, good climb, and a moderate gun package.
Lately though I've been flying the P-47D...Just for a bit more of a challenge, not to mention 8 .50's make a nice aerial chainsaw :)
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id say 80% of the time i up, i take a G-10 or G-6, the G-10s climb is amazing it also has a pretty good speed to it, G-6 is like G-10 cept without so much power also more nimble than the G-10 but it is also a great plane. Ta-152 and D-9 i also fly quite abit.
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Urchin really likes the spit14/tempest i bet ;)
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None other than the P38 Lightning.
Turns like a spit9 and great speed. All guns on the nose, so 1 gun is hitting a plane, so are the rest.
The Lockheed P-38 Lightning racked up an impressive series of "firsts." It was the first:
-Lockheed-designed military aircraft to go into series production.
-twin-engined interceptor to serve with the USAAC
-production fighter powered by the Allison V-1710 in-line engine
-modern fighter equipped with a tricycle landing gear
-American plane to use butt-jointed flush riveted external surfaces
-plane to make extensive use of stainless steel
-fighter to use a bubble canopy right from the start
-fighter with speeds over 400 mph
-US twin-boom fighter to go into production
-USAAF fighter to shoot down a German aircraft
-USAAF fighter to carry out an escort mission to Berlin
-USAAF plane to land in Japan after that country had surrendered
The P-38 was also the:
-heaviest US single-seat fighter of World War II
-only American fighter in production at the time of Pearl Harbor to be still in production at the war's end
-The Lightning also accounted for more Japanese aircraft destroyed in combat than any other USAAC fighter.
quote:
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"Some pilots are good, some pilots are great but the best of all flew the P-38!"
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Agreed:aok
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This month?
The UBER Spitfire Mk 1.
It rolls like a cow, it's slow, it has all the stopping power of an anemic kitten, it's as tough as wet newspaper, the engine dies on negative Gs...what's not to like?
Several reasons:
1. The SPIT tag is the next best thing to a perk neon
2. You learn to pick your fights, or you die fast
3. You learn to manage energy and angles, or you die fast
4. You learn SA, or you die fast
5. You lean trigger control and gunnery, or you get no kills
I've knocked off a couple LA7s, N1K2s, even a P47 and a B26 in that beast. Last time I checked I still had better than a 1:1 K/D in it against all those late war monster rides. Hoping to up that to 2:1 by the end of the month.
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I'm allergic to anemic cats......
I like flying the A6Mb5. Since I'm only H2H, the Zero is the only plane that will give you near full performance just off the strip. H2H rarely goes above 10k feet, and the majority of players seem to think every plane can TnB a Zero.:rolleyes:
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right now its the P38 because the climb is good the stall is great the turn is as good as a spit9 the guns are great
nice speed and insane instant speed in a dive or level
i hate P51's because it takes them so long to get to speed and they cant replace E and there very weak to gunfire
by the way raptor
the ARMY picked the P40 over P38
:D
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1337, never head of that huh........
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I forgot two of the the best things about the Spit Mk 1.
You get a LOT of assists...
Expect to die from killshooter. I've got more killshooter deaths/bails/captured in the few days I've flown the Spit I this month than the two years I flew previously. It's astonishing how many people pull in front of my aircraft, even when I'm tracking a straight line.
Doesn't take much to shoot the tail off a Spit Mk 1, even when you're only hitting with 4 .303s...
I did manage to kill another La7 dweeb tonight, though :D
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Actually the F4U was the first american fighter to exceed 400mph in level flight I believe, not the P38.
RTR
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the ARMY picked the P40 over P38
I think this site i was looking at didnt include the P40 because the P40 group that got so many kills were funded by the Chinese.
Actually the F4U was the first american fighter to exceed 400mph in level flight I believe, not the P38.
P38's were being made before the F4U was. I do believe the p38j was being produced around the time of the F4U-1, and the p38j had more power than our P38L model.
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Originally posted by Rafe35
In early January, 1943, a captured Japanese Zero was put up against an F4U-1, with the Corsair proving superior in most respects. Against a P-51 Mustang, the Corsair outfought the Army craft above 12,000 feet, and was considered evenly matched below that altitude. A pair of Corsair took on two Grumman Hellcat NOTE Navy Flier Edward "Butch" O'Hare piloted one of the Hellcats, and later flew the Corsair. Observers said the Hellcat was no match for F4U-1. On May 21, 1943 a fighter evaluation meeting took place at Eglin Air Base in Florida. Army pilots flying the Corsair for the first time were high in their praise. Dogfights were held with P-47, P-51, P-38, and P-39 Army fighters and all resulted favorably for the Corsair.
- - Vought Aircraft Testing in 1943
Pardon me for not always taking company advertising copy at face value... :D
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F4U
First flown as the XF4U-1 on 29 May 1940, and was the first US Warplane to exceed 400mph in level flight.
Initial production aircraft (F4U-1) deliveries to service started in July 1942, followed by carrier qualifications in sept of 1942. It was initially rejected by the US Navy as a carrier borne aircraft, and it was left up to the British to take the aircraft into action for the first time. It flew off of Fleet Air Arm carriers.
P38
XP-38 first flown on 27 July 1939.
Pretty cool, it was definetly ahead of its time. Pretty remarkable.
P38L had allison V-1710-111/113 engines i believe, producing 1,475hp.
P38J Had the -89/-91 engines producing 1,425 hp.
At least this is what I am getting out of my reference books, and so far they all say the same thing.
Cheers,
RTR
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Originally posted by Rafe35
Copy from a book, my friend :)
Yes, and the copy was provided by Vought. I can find you copy in a book that says M$ Windoze doesn't suck, but that's not going to change reality.
Find me a quote from the USAAF, USN, or Wright field that says the same thing and I'll pay more attention :)
I'm not saying the F4U wasn't a fine aircraft, but Vought saying so triggers my conflict of interest alarm.
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F6F of course!
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A couple of things.
I always fly the F4U because I am a huge plane biggot. I make no bones the F4U fits me because it was faster than what could out turn it and could out turn anything it couldn't outrun (Spit XIV might be able to catch it but a well flown light F4U-1 can give a SpitXIV some trouble).
Also on the F4U, P-38 thing I believe the P-38 was first in 1938 but I'm not sure when the first 400MPH production P-38 was built. I have seen P-38F 1942 which tops out in the 380MPH range. Don't know which P-38 varient was actually rated 400MPH in production. The early F4U-1 1942 was rated at 395MPH by the Navy, Brits and AAF and with water injection at 415MPH.
BTW In Barret Tillmans Corsair History he quotes famous P-38 pilot Rex Barber (Yamamato fame) as saying that if the US could have only built one fighter Bomber during WW2 it should have been the F4U.
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I mostly fly Tiffie and Lala because:
1. I suck ( Im a skilless dweeb)
2. I can run away (sometimes)
3. Tiffie has superhispanos
4. Tiffie is very capable vs Lala
5. Lala is good in base defence
When I try to think and be smart, I also fly 190 A8 and I have quite good K/D in it... It is a blast.
But... I fly almost anything and get kills... ( and get killed) :D
Lately Ive tried even niki. I hate it....:rolleyes:
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Stop this annoying argument about the F4U and P38. Also annoying is the fact that I see a LOT of people on the web believe that the F4U was the first plane IN THE WORLD to exceed 400 mph. That's rather ANNOYING since the Messerschmitt Bf 109R (really a 209) made an official record flight of 469 mph in 1936, and the He178 flew more than 400 mph in 1939 as the first jet. The 109G-1 beat both the F4U and P38 as the first operational 400 mph fighter in 1942.
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P38 and Jets. Winging with the squad is a fun time in these rides. =) I dont need to tell you why Morph ;)
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D9, 152.
Fast, frail, precise.. who needs good-guy allied all around qualities when the only purpose is killing.
A 190D with 108s would be perfect.
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Originally posted by XtrmeJ
P38 and Jets. Winging with the squad is a fun time in these rides. =) I dont need to tell you why Morph ;)
I remember those good times XJ:aok
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hmmmm.Nowhere did I state or imply that the F4U was the first warplane in the world to exceed 400mph. I simply corrected the impression that the P38 was the first. I specifically stated that the F4U was the first US WARPLANE to exceed 400mph in LEVEL FLIGHT.
However I agree. Stop this annoying argument.
RTR
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what's your favorit ride in AH
Well anything that's far away from the spitfires and a6m's etc
Far superior plane for me would be Jug D25
Also I start flying the Fokke Wulfs pretty much, they have an excellent armament and accelerate very well
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I spent 5 years in the Navy as a Russian Linguist, and I guess I sort of "went native." I've always liked the Soviet Planes. So I'm not sure if the Yak-9 fits my stlye, or if my style fits the Yak-9.
The 9U is speedy on the deck, and run with (but not away from) co-E La-7s, and handles fairly well at lost speeds.
The 9T on the other hand, has a friggin Bazooka in the nose. I never thought I'd hear myself say "I have 6 rounds left, that's pleanty" But it is. That's an Amazing gun. It's something of a bobsled though, as it doesn't climb well, and isn't particularly fast (although it seems to hold E fairly well).
So both planes can be competitive in the MA, aren't flown as often as the "big 5" (although the 9u is all over the place these days) and fit well in my Russian affiliation.
-Sik
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raptor i ment when the ARMY issued a contract for a new aircraft that could be mass made
and the army picked the P40 over the P38 and i think the P36 2 not sure
o yea the P40 has a better combat record then the P38:D
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First Aircraft to go over 400mph was designed by a certain mr. R J Mitchell...
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/images/schneidera6.jpg)
(http://website.lineone.net/~roling47/SeaWings/S6-1a.JPG)
Supermarine S6B
Length: 28ft 10in (8.89m)
Span: 30ft 0in (9.14m)
Engine: Rolls-Royce 'R' of 2,300hp
Speed: 407.5mph (655.67km/h)
Won 1931 contest and went on to set world speed record of 407.5mph becoming first aircraft to exceed 400mph (643.6km/h)
And a floatplane no less...
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Hi Raptor,
>USAAF plane to land in Japan after that country had surrendered
Pilot Clay Tice! :-)
>-plane to make extensive use of stainless steel
Certainly not :-)
The Junkers J-1 built in 1915 was an all-metal cantilever-wing monoplane fighter constructed (almost completely) from steel. Unlike Junkers' later light-alloy designs, it had a smooth skin. (It also was the first fighter aircraft to employ a special radiatior shape to regain thrust from the coolant energy.)
Regards,
Henning (HoHun)
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I think the issue was which was the first combat production fighter had an off the production line top speed of 400MPH.
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It was the first american 400mph fighter. Not first 400mph fighter.
Spit IX even entered service before it http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=100989&highlight=service+dates+revisited
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First US production fighter? Prolly the F4U. Still the Krauts beat you to it (perhaps the Brits too).
Furball, those Supermarine trophy planes are gorgeous.
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Yup, notice no radiators. The cooling system is in those veins down the sides. How they even got a floatplane in 1931 past 400mph is incredible
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you may like this link btw. http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/schneider1.html
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/images/schneider12.jpg)
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Thanks! :)
I bet the pilot was scared ****less when he looked at the speed gauge. :D
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lol yup, and the fact that he couldnt even see forwards :D
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As to float planes...
The world record for speed (internal combustion engine)was set at 440.683 mph by Warrant Officer Agrllo on 23 October 1934. That record still stands.
MACCHI M.C.72
As to the P-38 vs F4U 400mph firet 400+mph U.S.A. aircraft thing,
Maximum speed
XP-38 was 413 mph, all flights prior to crash in February 1939.
YP-38, the Army received its first YP-38 for service trials in March 1940, was 405 mph at 10,000 feet.
Widewing, help! I just can't find the the first 400+ date for the P-38.
The F4U was the first Navy 400+ aircraft, not the first U.S 400+ aircraft.
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FW 190 A5 cuz it's always been my favorite..well, maybe when I was a kid I liked Spitfires because of their nice shape, but then the almost brutal looking 190's began to attract me more. I usually fly the A5 with only the inboard 20mm's loaded. A8 feels too heavy and I tend to get both F and A8 into flat spins which I have been unable to recover.
-C+
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I mostly fly the 190A8 or the P-38L.
When I fly the A8, I load 100% fuel and fly very stealthy missions. Most of my shoot downs never see me. When low on fuel I can tango with some of the bigger birds. take more risks. A5 when I cant plan a decent hunt mission. A8 makes the bad guys to BOOM!
P-38L, bout 50% fuel with tanks.. I'll dogfight in the P-38L though.
I always go long range when huntin, thats where all the unsuspecting cons are. My missions are long.
;)
On RTB low on fuel, I've reversed many a hungry predators and sent them into the ocean. Sorry didnt mean to brag.
:D
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Hey,GScholz, the Bf 109R has very little in common with the 109, and redesignating the name from 209 to 109R was a propoganda move.
However, a boosted up Spit I reached 408 mph, and that was a Spit out of the Production line :D
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Spitfire XIV everytime,
fast, manuverable and lots and lots of fire power to wear down the enemy's armour quicker with less shots fired
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in the MA it's spit 9 - coz it's the only plane an average pilot like me can consistantly beat the LA hordes in. several times took on multiple LAffers and killed them all. great fun.
it's the most versatile fighter in the MA.
it the CT - i like the zeke when PAC arenas show up.
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Hi Angus,
>Hey,GScholz, the Bf 109R has very little in common with the 109, and redesignating the name from 209 to 109R was a propoganda move.
Actually, Me 109R was the original designation, and the redesignation to Me 209 was done later in the hope of attracting an order for fighters based on the record plane :-)
(And in the end, the same Me 209 designation was used for a design that had nothing to do with the record plane.)
>However, a boosted up Spit I reached 408 mph, and that was a Spit out of the Production line :D
The Heinkel He 100 reached 416 mph right off the (rather short :-) production line.
Regards,
Henning (HoHun)
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Top Ten Reasons I love the Bf110 (with apologies to David Letterman)
10. Large enough for kitchen in back seat.
9. Has lots of extra parts that can fall off due to twin control surfaces on tail.
8. So slow, you are NEVER accused of running.
7. One word: Cannons
6. Climbs faster than a Lancaster (if the Lanc is loaded with bombs)
5. Turns tighter than Lancaster (same limiting factor...if Lanc is laden)
4. Chicks dig the nose art.
3. Carries large enough bombs to scratch Tiger paint with direct hit.
2. Rear guns look really scary.
And the #1 reason I love the Bf110:
1. Never have to look for a fight; enemy goes out of their way to attack you when spotted.
-Sturmer
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Originally posted by Raptor01
-The Lightning also accounted for more Japanese aircraft destroyed in combat than any other USAAC fighter.
I thought the F6F held the title in the Pac arena.
TBolt
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Originally posted by moot
D9, 152.
Fast, frail, precise.. who needs good-guy allied all around qualities when the only purpose is killing.
A 190D with 108s would be perfect.
Used to have a D12 in FA2.5, 30mm with 90 rounds and 2 x 20mm and a LOT more engine....sigh still miss the beast.
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Originally posted by F4i
I thought the F6F held the title in the Pac arena.
TBolt
Yeah, that's what I heard.
As for my favorite plane, that would have to be the P-51D. I just prefer high alt BnZ fighting and the P51d is made for it. However, lately I have been testing out the P-51-B, with fair results. It seems that sometimes nme's see the dull paint job and choose to ignore me in favor of paying attention to more dangerous targets.
However, when the fight is right on top of the base I'm taking off from, or not far away, I'll usually take a spit over a pony.
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Thanks for the info HoHun, - misunderstanding hereby corrected.
None the less, it was not the same plane.
Hmm, if memory serves me, the speed record was broken by the only Griffon engined P51, not so long ago. True or False?
About the lightning and Hellcat thingie, I thought that the P38 held the score for the USAAF and the F6F for the USN, USMC could be the F4U? Allover the odds go to the F6F. Someone?
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Originally posted by Angus
Thanks for the info HoHun, - misunderstanding hereby corrected.
None the less, it was not the same plane.
Hmm, if memory serves me, the speed record was broken by the only Griffon engined P51, not so long ago. True or False?
About the lightning and Hellcat thingie, I thought that the P38 held the score for the USAAF and the F6F for the USN, USMC could be the F4U? Allover the odds go to the F6F. Someone?
By far, the fastest piston engine aircraft was/is an R-3350 powered F8F-2 named Rare Bear. It set the current recond at an astounding 528.33 mph, exceeding 540 mph on the downwind leg of the record run. See http://www.rarebear.com for details.
As for the record for most Japanese aircraft downed, the F6F holds the overall record, with the P-38 holding the USAAF record, with about 1,700 kills (F6F killed over 5,200).
My regards,
Widewing
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Holy Cow,528 mph!!!!
Errr...was it not however a P51 mod that rocked the Messerschmitt out of its seat?
I also recall the Sea Fury being quite a runner. Any Idea which speed numbers it achieved?
And the USMC scorer is?
:) :) :)
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Heres a page that gives Sea Fury production model max speed at a mere 435 mph: http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=hawker+sea+fury&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26amp%3BrequestId%3D3654b162e8b6d900%26amp%3BclickedItemRank%3D1%26amp%3BuserQuery%3Dhawker%2Bsea%2Bfury%26amp%3BclickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.warbirdalley.com%252Fseafury.htm%26amp%3BinvocationType%3D-%26amp%3BfromPage%3DnsBrowserRoll&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.warbirdalley.com%2Fseafury.htm
I recall seing substantially higher figures in other places tho.
"The production model P-47M had a manufacturer's specified top speed of 473 mph. In reality, Republic field reps taught crew chiefs how to illegally modify turbo regulator linkages so as to produce much more power. In fact, one test aircraft had it's 2,800 hp-rated engine repeatedly run at (and this is no misprint) 3,600 horsepower... enough to FAR exceed the factory specified top speed of 473 mph."
Bob Coiro, President P-47 Alumni Association http://www.warbirdmuseum.com/disc_grp/_discussion_grp/00000056.htm
P-51H-5-NA Specifications:
Engine Packard-Merlin V-1650-9 V-12 rated at Maximum 2218 h.p.
Maximum Speed 487 m.p.h. @ 25,000 ft.http://www.aeromuseum.org/Exhibits/Restorations/P51H/OurMustangHistory.htm
I've seen figures for the Hawker Hornet, twin engined follow-on to the Mossie, in the 470-480 mph. range, and the same for the Dornier 335 "Pfeil" twin pusher-puller prop plane and, at 37,000 feet or so, 470 mph.for the Ta-152. One or two of the last Spitfire marks were up there also, and the very last mark of the Seafire once pulled 495, tho drug tests were administered afterwards. :) And two different web pages give the Dornier 217-P, hi alt recon version of the bomber, with a third engine in the bomb bay acting as a turbocharger for the other engines, a barely believable 487 mph figure (altitude unspecified).