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Title: Human Race Obsolete?
Post by: Halo on January 09, 2004, 04:18:07 PM
With all the Mars exploration interest, how many of you think humans eventually will be succeeded by androids or the like, the old silicon replacing carbon theory?  

Perhaps the ultimate stretch would be androids eventually replicating themselves and taking over control from humans, keeping our remnants on reservations or wildlife preserves as a goodwill gesture to the humans who created them.

Since Earth eventually is doomed anyway, and humans are ill-equipped to colonize space, isn't it more likely that Earth eventually will immortalized to outer space neighbors more by our machines than ourselves?
Title: Human Race Obsolete?
Post by: ra on January 09, 2004, 04:21:40 PM
If android chicks are good looking, I'm there.
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Post by: Duedel on January 09, 2004, 04:23:00 PM
If they have big ( o Y o ) resistance us futile
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Post by: Chairboy on January 09, 2004, 04:30:12 PM
Humans are as ill-equipped to colonize space as they are to swim across the Atlantic, but that didn't stop europeans from reaching the americas.
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Post by: Duedel on January 09, 2004, 04:31:20 PM
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Humans are as ill-equipped to colonize space as they are to swim across the Atlantic, but that didn't stop europeans from reaching the americas.

Indians, u mean indians (not americans)
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Post by: Chairboy on January 09, 2004, 04:33:53 PM
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Originally posted by Duedel
Indians, u mean indians (not americans)


Did europeans ever reach the americas?  Yes.  So....  kindly sit down.
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Post by: Saurdaukar on January 09, 2004, 04:47:25 PM
Battlestar HiTech
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Post by: Halo on January 09, 2004, 07:04:32 PM
Heh, Battlestar HiTech.  Hmmmm, do you think that will be Aces High III or IV?
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Post by: Octavius on January 09, 2004, 07:37:11 PM
biomodification!  I'll volunteer right away to become 'augmented' :D

Anyone play Deus Ex? :)
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Post by: Animal on January 09, 2004, 07:46:04 PM
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Originally posted by Octavius
biomodification!  I'll volunteer right away to become 'augmented' :D

Anyone play Deus Ex? :)


Oh yes, I want night vision and IR augmented eyesight, my eyes and brains adjusted to have a nice HUD. And souped up reflexes.
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Post by: Yeager on January 09, 2004, 08:28:58 PM
No sweat people, at a future point in time the sun will exhaust its supply of fuel and implode in on itself creating a vast atomic explosion (SuperNova)and incinerate whatever is left of this planet.  The sun has a expected life time of 10 billion years and the sun is 5 billion years old.  You do the math

At a future point in time, 15 trillion years some say, the universe will have exhausted its fuel and die.

As the cosmos has a birth and a death, so do all creations contained therein, obviously including the entire human race.
Even if Capt Kirk were ever realized. there is no escaping the finality of death ona personal, global and comsic scale.

Enjoy your life, be prepared to die defending the quality of it, the freedom to believe what your mind wants.... but above all else find and make love.
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Post by: Maniac on January 09, 2004, 08:33:38 PM
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Human Race Obsolete?


To much Terminator 1-3 watching eh? Computers have to discover themselfs before this can happen... AI - Artificiall Intelligence...

You and i dont have to worry about this.. but maybe in another 100 - 200 years it will be capable...
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Post by: myelo on January 10, 2004, 08:48:41 AM
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Originally posted by Yeager
No sweat people, at a future point in time the sun will exhaust its supply of fuel and implode in on itself creating a vast atomic explosion (SuperNova)and incinerate whatever is left of this planet


Dangit. I'm gonna need more duct tape.
Title: Re: Human Race Obsolete?
Post by: LLv34_Camouflage on January 10, 2004, 09:12:55 AM
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Originally posted by Halo
how many of you think humans eventually will be succeeded by androids or the like, the old silicon replacing carbon theory?  


http://www.irobotnow.com/index.php

Camo
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Post by: deSelys on January 10, 2004, 09:36:58 AM
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Originally posted by Octavius
biomodification!  I'll volunteer right away to become 'augmented' :D

Anyone play Deus Ex? :)


I would already be happy if my virtual AH pilot had:

- X20 eyes with antiglare and thermal imaging
- artery valves to keep blood in upper body and allow +12 G
- boosted synthetic muscles to double max stick force (I fly the 109s a lot ;-) )

but above all, an ear device saying something like:
You idiot don't go for HO it's a Jug what do you expect???!!!! when I'm about to do something stupid.
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Post by: moot on January 10, 2004, 10:27:22 AM
http://www.kurzweilai.net
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Post by: Halo on January 10, 2004, 12:30:59 PM
Good links.  And, of course ... there's the Stepford Wives.
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Post by: FUNKED1 on January 10, 2004, 12:33:00 PM
I would like a prehensile robotic wiener.
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Post by: vorticon on January 10, 2004, 02:19:14 PM
we've made enough movies and books about this that even if we ever do make AI we will have put in subroutines that stop that sort of thing...
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Post by: Chairboy on January 10, 2004, 02:40:58 PM
Yes, it's almost as if we need some sort of...  three laws of...  oh, let's say robotics.

Oh yeah, Isaac Asimov was there decades ago:

1.  A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

2.  A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3.  A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

I suggest an additional law:

4.  Under no circumstances shall any AI or machine forcefully place humans into cocoons to generate electricity.
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Post by: Pooh21 on January 10, 2004, 06:14:02 PM
"Eat Hot Rail Gun death andriod scum"!!!!!
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Post by: Halo on January 10, 2004, 06:44:43 PM
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vorticon: we've made enough movies and books about this that even if we ever do make AI we will have put in subroutines that stop that sort of thing... [/unquote)

However, (eerie music crescendo) ... someday ... an android ... will figure out how to remove any limitations imposed by humans .... (shattering crashes of cymbals)
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Post by: Maniac on January 10, 2004, 07:01:03 PM
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However, (eerie music crescendo) ... someday ... an android ... will figure out how to remove any limitations imposed by humans .... (shattering crashes of cymbals)


:D

Was thinking the same thing.
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Post by: Sox62 on January 10, 2004, 07:59:03 PM
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Originally posted by ra
If android chicks are good looking, I'm there.


Not an android exactly...but would this do?

(http://www.starfleet-ssf.com/~stvoyageruk/Voy/html/crew/pics/Seven/3.jpg)
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Post by: hawker238 on January 10, 2004, 08:58:17 PM
It actually sounds like a bad idea, Halo.  I saw a documentary on this once, and the sad fact is.... robots can never--ever--love.:(






















:rolleyes:
Title: Human Race Obsolete?
Post by: Halo on January 11, 2004, 12:14:11 PM
Yeah, Hawker, from what I read, robots can't have any emotions, including love.  That's why they don't do well in the usual main movie plot (human guy has fine life, then falls {great verb here} in love, then gets killed one way or another because he fell in love).

So sooner or later we get into creation mode -- were humans divinely created or just randomly or logically evolved?  

Androids will have a tough time answering that question.  Or will they bother with it?  

Hmmm, will androids value emotions at all except as a technique of interacting or empathizing with humans?  

Will androids be better or worse for supposedly lacking emotions?

Will androids, assuming supreme logic, eventually conclude they would be better having emotions and thus evolve them?

Tough to imagine what could happen in the next thousand years or so, isn't it.
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Post by: hawker238 on January 11, 2004, 12:24:26 PM
Actually Halo, I was just being asinine about that horrible movie, AI.
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Post by: moot on January 11, 2004, 01:10:31 PM
are you kidding? love is just neurons flashing one way. An interpretation in your mind's eye.
silicon flashes one way or another too, and you are left with the binary: either love/emotion is an true as to its "etheral" nature, or it's simply just as the second case appears, an illusion, chemistry.

btw 7of9 is as sexy as a fridge.
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Post by: vorticon on January 11, 2004, 01:18:27 PM
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Originally posted by moot


btw 7of9 is as sexy as a fridge.



better looking than the rest of the crew...
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Post by: moot on January 11, 2004, 01:23:11 PM
kind of like the last place to miss world preliminaries is always better than a snail.