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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Urchin on January 09, 2004, 10:23:08 PM
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and admit that GVs are a sideshow arcade game addon to Aces High.... until then I'm going to keep *****ing about the unrealistic penetration of the .50 and the Hispano vis a vis the Panzer IV. I'm not going to bother posting links or info... its all there, its been shown to be incorrect, it has been incorrect for at least 3 years, it is never going to be fixed.. nor probably looked at. Thats it, whines over.
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Relax, Urch. The "airplane kills tank with mg's" stats probably aren't any more historically ridiculous than the "tank kills airplane with main or pintle gun" stats in AH.
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but toad,
if the .50's and 20 mm didn't penetrate the GV's you wouldn't want or need a pintle for most missions
wipass
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Originally posted by wipass
but toad,
if the .50's and 20 mm didn't penetrate the GV's you wouldn't want or need a pintle for most missions
wipass
Good reason to model innocent civilians imo.
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Good reason to model innocent civilians imo.
Good idea, then the lanc could fulfill its historical role.
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Tanks carried spare parts on their hull, right? Why not make one of the ammo options for the Panzer less shells and one cargo?(supply).
I do it all the time, up a hurc where there are tank battles, drop in on top of the tank, aim, quick 3-4 round burst, no turret. Spindle can't hit you at that angle, and if you hit it is more likely to be the turret. He ditches, easy kill. An eight kill run(panz alone) is not uncommon defending a field. Just don't make a pass where the spindle can hit you head on.
I know some will say you shouldn't be alone. Or you might say bring an m3. But getting someone to tag along in an m3(target) is a tall order and they are usually down b4 you get a chance to use a single supply, and sometimes you come into the arena with short time and want to get in some action. It would also give an advantage to the people who are organized.
Also, you won't hesitate to up a tiger to defend, but if you haven't got a thousand gv perks, you can use them up pretty fast on offensives. It's alot easier to get someone to tag along with a panzer than an m3 for sure. Maybe instead of flak offensives we will have more tank offensives.
In the end, the m3 is the way it should be, but you can't camo the m3 or hide it under some trees. And the ICON doesn't help either:lol . That is why I think this would be a good idea.
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Originally posted by Batz
Good idea, then the lanc could fulfill its historical role.
hmm....question is...I'm I being baited.
its historical role was to make Germany surrender....PERIOD.
your INNOCENT civilian theory goes down the toilet.....Germany started hittin INNOCENT british civilians 1st.....The EMPIRE just hit you back much much harder:aok
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I wouldn't fret over Bratz' nazi revisionist kneejerk hypersenitivity if I were you. Most of those types have trouble understanding jokes but no trouble being one. ;) :D :lol
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so just model the german "civilian" killers first, then model bigger british ones in the next release. How's that for exactitude? Then add swastikas since it is their political purpose as well, then add political affiliation to this and that airfield town houses, yeah, great game.
no innocent civilian theory to put down the toilet in the first place, light MGs are perfect for paratroopers and chutes, the former being invulnerable to anything but exact projectile hits, and any other object takes forever to destroy with those guns i.e. C202's famous monster guns.
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Is there really evidence that 50s and 20s should behave on the panzer like they do on the tiger?
Panzers have a few spots where you're guaranteed a kill with just 20s and/or 50s.
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Well .... if we can't have innocent civilians and we can only shoot Otis the paratrooper .... how about more blood and gore! Yeah! And it'll bring in more teenage customers! :D
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The M3 Icon is a good point, makes me curios why an LVT Icon is so very hard to pick up, some wont even throw an Icon at all. Is that a flaw or by design?
Anton
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didn't know the virtual LW knew how to troll...a new development?
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tanks have to be here because the IL2 HURR-D and other ant-i tank planes would be without purpose in aces high:)
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The Hurri2D is useless anyway. The N1K and Spit are better tankbusters by far than the Il-2 is. So, in essense our anti-tank planes are useless anyway.
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Urchin, I used to let things like this get to me, too. Then I realized that in a game of this nature the enemy will chance upon extraordinary luck and you will die as a result. No matter what plane you fly a single .303 can kill you, for instance. Tanks act to me like they roll over and explode really easily, yet a bomb can't make them tilt over no matter what. How many times have I dropped 4k on a tiger and not even get an assist, only to have the smallest bomb kill my tiger when I drive one?
Just blow it off and move on. The game is a lot more fun that way.
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A single .303 will never kill you in AH
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Pilot kill only takes 1 bullet.
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Originally posted by Toad
Relax, Urch. The "airplane kills tank with mg's" stats probably aren't any more historically ridiculous than the "tank kills airplane with main or pintle gun" stats in AH.
When I was stationed in Germany I fondly remember the old German vets talking about how they knew the frontal armor on the American planes was tough so they bounced the pintle mount mg rounds off the clouds to penetrate the much weaker top armor on the attack planes. Of course, this tactic only worked on cloudy days, and when it was too cloudy (which gave the best bouncing effect to the rounds) the Americans wouldn't fly because they knew the losses would be horrendous.
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MG bullets bouncing on clouds? :confused:
Or does my english miss something here?
Edit: Or have I swallowed hook, line and sinker????
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He's talking about ice storm clouds.
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Originally posted by thrila
A single .303 will never kill you in AH
It is a wrong statement AFAIK. The correct one is "A single .303 has neglectable chances to kill you in AH".
AH designed the way that even single .303 can destroy plane (for example by killing a pilot). But chances for this are extremely low.
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Urchin here's a good book on the subject that will help keep your blood boiling the next time your p4 gets hizooka'd :p
Air Power at the Battlefront
Allied Close Air Support in Europe 1943-45
by Ian Gooderson
ISBN 0-7146-4680-6
I would paste some of it but its been posted before.