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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sparks on January 10, 2004, 06:23:53 PM
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These pics are a few months old now but I have only just got round to posting them. The Airbus A380 is going to be HUGE - ABSOLUTELY HUGE!!
Notice the size of the people in the pics - in the fuselage one they are on the lower left corner.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_43_1073780293.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_43_1073780257.jpg)
Sparks
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I wont set my fot in one of these.
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Originally posted by Maniac
I wont set my fot in one of these.
I'm with you, this new fangled flight machine stuff is no good witchraft.... :)
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It is big, but nothing that hasn't been done before. I think it will be a success, maybe not as big as the 747 but nevertheless a good money maker for the AI.
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Big B may have some pud knockers working for them ;)
But for comercial air travel I still say "If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going"
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My hat is off to Airbus. I dont expect the A380 to be nearly as big of a success as it is an airplane but it will do well enough to justify its being built.
Boeing is screwed and airbus had nothing to do with it. Boeing screwed itself and will probably never be the number one producer of commercial aircraft ever again.
I expect that title to evetually go to the Chinese. Once they get down to it and start making large airliners it will be lights out for the western manufacturers.
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In future China will have huge markets for passenger aircrafts but so far they've bought their larger aircrafts from west or from Russia and smaller and military aircrafts they have manufactured are more or less copies of Russian products.
I don't think they're threatening western passenger aircraft manufacturers in near future but their western neighbours Russians are having everything they need for challenging Airbus and Boeing.
I wouldn't be surprised if one day there would be only two manufacturers left, Airbus and Tupolev.
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Id rather fly a wet cardboard box than any commercial airplane designed and manufactured by russians.
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It will be as big a s a stinky 747. It will be way bigger. And another point is, WE will build it WITHOUT money from the government. The 747 got payed by the government completly. Thats it why it was so succesfull.
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Having flown to europe on 3 occasions in last year, I must say that in passanger comfort department AirBus 320 ( I think ) beats the hell out of 767s i've flew.
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
It will be as big a s a stinky 747. It will be way bigger. And another point is, WE will build it WITHOUT money from the government. The 747 got payed by the government completly. Thats it why it was so succesfull.
Who's the "WE" that will build it?
Funny, it's "going" to be bigger than a "stinky" 747. How long have 747's been flying now?
BTW, the 747 entered service way back in 1970, so comparing a 3 country, 18% European government financed, 2006 airliner with an airliner in service since 1970 is very funny.
That being said, the 380 looks like a great, huge aircraft.
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
It will be as big a s a stinky 747. It will be way bigger. And another point is, WE will build it WITHOUT money from the government. The 747 got payed by the government completly. Thats it why it was so succesfull.
And YOU will end up paying for it, Airbus is a nice govermnet subsidized racket you got there... :)
Where do you get the notion that the US government finaced the 747?
Why cant you be happy about your nice new toy without lying about it and also the 747....
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Looking at the first photograph. Man! Those Europeans are tiny folks. :)
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boeing is better cuase of SouthWest airlines:D i love sitting infront with tons of room.
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When it's done, find a place to park it.
Frankfurt Airport has 1 postion to put it in, but the PAX gate it not big enough to fit the passagers.
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It's gonna be an amazing thing to watch fly, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to travel in it.
Think of the passenger load/unload logistics!
The baggage logistics!
You'll spend more time waiting to get in, waiting for everyone else to get in, and waiting for your bags than you do in flight!
blech!
BB
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Speaking of Airbus... check out the AB autoland video on this site.
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/aviation_videos.htm
I think it's interesting that in the AB vs Big B competition AB went bigger while the Big B when with new concepts for the dreamliner.
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Well, thats the whole deal, isn't it?
Airbus says - bigger is better - more hub/spoke operations, less gates (but same or more space) required at airports than more flights. (can you say- no room at heathrow?)
Boeing says: people hate connections, don't like cattle cars. Prefer more direct flights to closer and possibly smaller airports. So build midsize, long range, cheap to operate plane and open up more and more point to point routes, bypassing hubs entirely.
Both are probably right to some degree, but the question is, which one is MORE right?
I think Boeing waited FAR too long to get the 7E7 going though, they shoulda started at least a year ago, customers or no.
And since when was 747 development paid for by government? And since when has airbus' subsidies ended? Who sold you THAT line of bulls|-|it?
re A320 vs 737 - the 320 is 6 inches or so wider than the 737, and so the seats are all each an inch wider, and it makes a BIG comfort difference in coach class. But the airbus' seem to transmit a LOT more noise of machinery and environment into the cabin than the 737.
But other than seat width - comfort is decided almost entirely by the airlines, and what seats THEY choose to put in. Boeing, for example, builds no seats - only installs seats that are bought by the airlines elsewhere.
BB
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Aside from Carbon brakes (what a mess to change), Airbus is fine.
But what terminal can support loading the future double deckers?
I have no opinion one way or another about the ship, well... but damn, it would be a mess in a perfect boarding ontime flight; a cancellation would be a bad English soccer fan match after what I went through in O'Hare last weekend. A 5 hour delay, and a story I will save for Toad in detail. It came down too when we all got loaded and the Captain came out and said the flight attendants were 1 minute from "being illegal" so we waited an additional hour on the plane for a new F/A crew.
Anyway, big aircraft are cool, but don't forget the the logistics of that beast in operation.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
And YOU will end up paying for it, Airbus is a nice govermnet subsidized racket you got there... :)
Where do you get the notion that the US government finaced the 747?
Why cant you be happy about your nice new toy without lying about it and also the 747....
you pretend Boeing never got a single $ from the governement ?
tss tss it's a lie, and you know it :)
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Originally posted by BB Gun
Well, thats the whole deal, isn't it?
Airbus says - bigger is better - more hub/spoke operations, less gates (but same or more space) required at airports than more flights. (can you say- no room at heathrow?)
Boeing says: people hate connections, don't like cattle cars. Prefer more direct flights to closer and possibly smaller airports. So build midsize, long range, cheap to operate plane and open up more and more point to point routes, bypassing hubs entirely.
Both are probably right to some degree, but the question is, which one is MORE right?
I think Boeing waited FAR too long to get the 7E7 going though, they shoulda started at least a year ago, customers or no.
And since when was 747 development paid for by government? And since when has airbus' subsidies ended? Who sold you THAT line of bulls|-|it?
BB
Good post, and "Boeing says" is the direction the company is taking with the 7E7. They believe the comfort factor combined with speed getting in and out of airports will dominate the Commercial airline market.
Airbus is going "big" because they saw what Boeing has made most of its commercial money on, the 747.
Airbus will certainly sell alot of these as freighters, and that sector of aviation is the fastest growing sector in the world today.
Incidently, I think Japan is the next new player in the commercial industry, they've already started with the HondaJet, it just had its maiden flight last week:
(http://media7.motorcities.com/03LID540115489A.jpeg)
http://www.motorcities.com/contents/03LID540115489.html
Its an expensive endeavor for anyone to enter the commercial airplane market, and Japan, with financial backing from its Gov't and possibly other Asian countries, is poised to take that challenge.
One other note, I know of 5 other Boeing employees on this board, do any of you know what the distance the 7E7 can fly compared to the 767? I heard it was nearly as long-legged.
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Incidently, I think Japan is the next new player in the commercial industry
With projects like this coming to fruition, it's a very exciting time to be in aviation. There are several companies pushing to get personal jets on the market. That's going to bring about a big change in the industry, I think.
Aside from just the fact that the smaller jets will be able to get into nearby relief airports such as Van Nuys or Bob Hope for LAX, Deer Valley or Scottsdale for PHX, it will also create a pretty big trickle down effect for jobs. The small jets will open more doors for the over 60 club, which will open other doors for corporate pilots, airline, regional, etc., which will pull up CFIs from flight schools, which will attract more students as they see people getting hired on...
Now, if I could just convience someone to let me take up their Corsair... :D
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Originally posted by straffo
you pretend Boeing never got a single $ from the governement ?
ROFL - that's not what he said, nor implied, and you know it. :P
BB
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Incidently, I think Japan is the next new player in the commercial industry, they've already started with the HondaJet, it just had its maiden flight last week:
(http://media7.motorcities.com/03LID540115489A.jpeg)
http://www.motorcities.com/contents/03LID540115489.html
Its an expensive endeavor for anyone to enter the commercial airplane market, and Japan, with financial backing from its Gov't and possibly other Asian countries, is poised to take that challenge.
hmm...i see they havent got the flame decals neon lights and oversized stereo system in there yet ;)
hmm...that thing is huge...i think i'd rather fly in a zepplin than that though
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Airbus has benifited tremendously from Phil Conduit, the bafoon.
The people at Boeing, the engineers, the scientists, the designers, the technicians, the office Assistants, the manufacturers...when given a clear and concise path from the leadership will prevail over the european consortium at every approach. Why? Because the people at Boeing are the best of people from "all over the world". Working in the best conditions that promote intellectual freedom and excellence. Where pride is so thick that it fuels efforts to the most extreme.
Phil Conduit is the one to blame for Boeings problems. Not the Boeing people who actually design and build airplanes. Not subsidies, and especially not Airbus. All Airbus is doing is filling in the vacuume created by Conduit. In my opinion.
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Wow, cool plane. How fast is it to 14000 feet?
And will there be rails installed to ease bigways?
Tailgate option, maybe?
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That is a HUGE plane, WOW!
Will probably compete with the good old Jumbo, and eventually win over it.
Would be nice to have some specs comparisons. Anybody?
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I gonna rent a room on a long flight somewhere on that plane, and bring my own ho´s
Gonna be the first Airborn pimp!
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Boeings a potato peeling disaster. Rip you should move through the ranks pretty fast now that 1/2 of your executives are in jail.
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lol
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Big plane, how many passengers? Nice big fat tempting target for terrorists. Better hope we get this terrorist problem eliminated before that beast starts flying.
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The first HondaJet was developed and built here at Mississippi State University and first flew in 1993. Nice to see that they've kept up with the project.
HondaJet (http://ae.msstate.edu/rfrl/pages/hondajet.html)
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wasnt that one of the planes that attacked godzilla?
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Actually Grunherz, you'll find that Airbus has actually started making payments to the governments that helped set it up. Do you really believe a company could have been set up to compete directly against Boeing without some major wonga? Airbus has been very useful in securing aerospace jobs across Europe. I'd say it was a good investment and has already delivered returns, financially and socially.
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Safire also stepping up to the personal jet plate...
Safire Files For Type Certificate
Safire Aircraft Company, based in Opa Locka, Fla., has filed a Type Certificate application with the FAA for the Safire Jet, the company said last week. The step marks the first phase of the jet's certification process, said CEO Camilo Salomon, as well as a significant milestone in the aircraft's development process. Major assemblies and components will begin arriving in the spring, Salomon said, to start assembly of the first prototype. The six-place, twin-turbofan-powered Safire Jet, priced at $1.395 million, is scheduled to make its first flight this year, with deliveries beginning in 2006. The company plans to build two flying prototypes, one static test "article" and one fatigue test "article." The flight test/certification program will continue into 2006.
http://www.safireaircraft.com/