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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nakhui on January 12, 2004, 03:36:26 PM
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Treasury wants O'Neill papers probed
Probe to focus on how possibly classified information appeared in a TV interview, spokesman says.
Treasury Spokesman Rob Nichols said that "based on the '60 minutes' interview aired Sunday night there was a document shown that appeared to be classified."
http://money.cnn.com/2004/01/12/news/economy/oneill_probe/index.htm?cnn=yes
I don't think O'Neill thought about this reprecussion when he chose to divulge classified information... he should have gone through the IG's whistle blowers program...
tisk tisk!
Don't be sneaking into Uncle Sam's secrets jar!
Of course the Administration is going to fight back. Ouch!
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That was a rather bonehead move, but the ones to blame, other than O'Neill, is the administration! If they didn't make any remarks to it, then people probably wouldn't have noticed it and not even cared!
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I wouldn't be suprised if the IG is asked to eventually drop the investigation... if it ever gets underway...
The best policy is to neither confirm or deny the credibility of classified information.
An investigation may do more harm by confirm the veracity of classified information.
Most likely their announcement of the "desire of" an investion is just a scare tactic.
Be interesting to see how this plays out, if they do pursue it though.
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Here's what I'm curious about.
Obviously, you have strongly held political opinions. You believe what you believe and are willing to proselytize.
Why did you find it necessary to create a shade account? We all knew where you stood as DmdNexus and it's easy to see that "Nakhui" stands in the same place.
Why bother to change?
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Because a nakhui sounds like something I clear from the back of my throat and spit onto the sidewalk after a long jog. Way cooler.
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Originally posted by Tarmac
Because a nakhui sounds like something I clear from the back of my throat and spit onto the sidewalk after a long jog. Way cooler.
:rofl :rofl
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I watched some on the interview last night (was working on a Tamiya 1/35 M4A3 Sherman so my focus wasnt on the program).......
Was funny to see the gal (Dianne Sawyer?) say that she thought the book made the president look bad and O'neill seemed surprised that she would come off with that impression. "Really?" he said. To paraphrase "The president was a mute in a room full of deaf people" really is not a flattering description, even my relatively simple functioning mind could safely come to that unfettered conclusion. O'neill lost all credibility at that point, with me at least.
Next.....
compelled to add the question mark lest the weak minded take me by the shorts and hold me accountable :aok
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Lock the disgruntled former employee up.
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Originally posted by Toad
Here's what I'm curious about.
Obviously, you have strongly held political opinions. You believe what you believe and are willing to proselytize.
Why did you find it necessary to create a shade account? We all knew where you stood as DmdNexus and it's easy to see that "Nakhui" stands in the same place.
Why bother to change?
Ahh, Nexus! Okay, I was thinking weazel...
Here is whats interesting, possibly a study in psychology..remember the political compass test?
Originally posted by DmdNexus
I'm right next to the Pope! Sheesh!
Economic Left/Right: 2.00
Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.23
He's more to the right than I am, yet he slams himself (conservatives) constantly in his threads. I don't get it.
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Given his style, he probably cheated on the test to fit into his preconceived notions of himself. ;)
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LOL
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Originally posted by Tarmac
Because a nakhui sounds like something I clear from the back of my throat and spit onto the sidewalk after a long jog. Way cooler.
Personal attacks?
Does that make you feel better?
Do you feel superior now because you're able to come up with something derogatory?
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Originally posted by Toad
Given his style, he probably cheated on the test to fit into his preconceived notions of himself. ;)
Gee Toad... You're way to smart for any of us.
When you can't discuss an issue... you restort to personal attacks.
nice... I guess that makes you a real intellectual giant.
The rest of us are just soooo dumb in comparison to you.
You're so clever.
Please insult us some more and show us all how we are nothings compared to you.
In fact... no one else should have a voice here but you...
Your opinion is everything!
Praise the Toad!
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Nah, I'm really not that smart. But, in comparison to you.......
:D
There, do you consider that an insult as well, DmdNexus?
BTW, during the actual praise ceremony, you should be kneeling. You are kneeling, aren't you?
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Originally posted by Toad
Nah, I'm really not that smart. But, in comparison to you.......
BTW, during the actual praise ceremony, you should be kneeling. You are kneeling, aren't you?
For once we agree, in comparison to me, yes you are not that smart :D
And I'm really not that smart either! :p
Kneeling... another fantasy - Just like the connection between Iraq and AQ?
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Why did you change your name nexus?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Why did you change your name nexus?
DmdNexus was on probation, one can only assume he'd been a bad boy and was banned.
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Originally posted by Nakhui
Kneeling... another fantasy - Just like the connection between Iraq and AQ?
You mean Iraq and terrorism? There are links...heres just ONE example from the councel of Foreign relations.
Has the Abu Nidal Organization received state support?
Yes. Iraq, Syria, and Libya have all harbored the group and given it training, logistical support, and funding, often using the ANO as guns or hire. Abu Nidal began working with Iraqi intelligence while representing Fatah in Baghdad, experts say. He formed his organization with Iraq’s help and began by attacking Syria and the PLO. In 1983, Iraqi President Saddam Hussein expelled Abu Nidal and his group in an attempt to win American military support for Iraq’s 1980s war with neighboring Iran. Once the war ended, Iraq resumed its support of Abu Nidal.
http://www.terrorismanswers.com/groups/abunidal.html
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I love O'Neil's response when asked if he was concerned about retribution from the Bush Administration: "I'm an old guy, and I'm rich. And there's nothing they can do to hurt me."
:rofl :aok
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"...Why did you change your name nexus?".
Like you guys are any less anonymous because you've used the same nick for however long.
Take a look at this thread or any thread and tell me you would still say half the things you guys do to people if you weren't completely anonymous to them.
Get off your high horse.
yowser
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Doesn't suprise me a bit that you can't see the inherent hypocrisy and dishonesty.
Everything is "Shades" of gray, eh?
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Oh I see the hypocrisy and dishonesty just fine thank you. There's plenty of that to go round.
yowser
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I've met a good number of AH players in real life yowser, they know who I am for real.
How about you?
And the question still stands why did nexus change his name? Whats he got to hide?
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Maybe Nakhui is Grunherz alter ego? Who knows who knows...
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Originally posted by Duedel
Maybe Nakhui is Grunherz alter ego? Who knows who knows...
damn....not another one:eek:
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Sorry to dissapoint you all but I only ever been GRUNHERZ here from day one, but if you wanna imagine that I'm all around the place then so be it... :lol
And still I ask why did nexus change his name, whats he got to be ashamed of?
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libs are allways re-inventing themselves... They burn out "old selves" at a fairly rapid rate.
lazs
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I've met a good number of AH players in real life yowser, they know who I am for real.
How about you?
And the question still stands why did nexus change his name? Whats he got to hide?
Your completely anonymous and hidden to me whether your nick is Grunherz or Zrehnurg. Makes no difference to me, nexus or 90% of others in AH. Changing your nick doesn't make you "more" anonymous or "hide" you from me. Your completely anonymous and hidden to begin with.
I don't think it's coincidence that people are more civil on a BBS to people they know or have met in real life. I'll take a wild stab here and guess that Nexus isn't one of the AH players you have met in real life.
yowser
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Did anyone catch O'Neills total reversal on the Today show yesterday? :) "Bush is a competent president and should be reelected" Gee, he change his tune suddenly on national TV.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Did anyone catch O'Neills total reversal on the Today show yesterday? :) "Bush is a competent president and should be reelected" Gee, he change his tune suddenly on national TV.
Some don't have the balls to truly stand up against the Bush machine...unlike Joe Wilson, Mr. O'Neil has buckeled to the considerable preassure that Bush & Co. can weild.
BTW....the skuttlebutt is that there will be more ex-admin employees spilling the beans and cutting deals...some say to stay out of jail...we'll see.
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Originally posted by MrLars
..unlike Joe Wilson, Mr. O'Neil has buckeled to the considerable preassure that Bush & Co. can weild.
(Sorry, couldn't resist)
(http://www.wfthecoliseum.com/images/helicopter.gif)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
(Sorry, couldn't resist)
(http://www.wfthecoliseum.com/images/helicopter.gif)
Nice chopper...that a slick or gunship?
Just why do you think Mr. O'Neil would do a 180 so quickly?
The skuttlebutt I was refering too comes from DC.....sit tight, we'll see if there's any truth to the rumors in due time.
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I've met plenty of people in real life with whom I had heated and hateful arguments on the BBS many times. Guess what we realized the BBS is irrelevant and we all got along fine even if we still disagrred on some of the same arguments...
People say you dont talk in real life as you do on BBS because "the other guy will kick your ass" well thats yet more big talk showoff BBS crap, you dont talk the way on BBS because it's a anotrher person a real person and not some internet caricature...
And yes the names do matter beacuse whatever importance you chose attaqch to these discussiond and BBS personalities they are tied to the BBS handle. So if somebody goes around anonnymously changing names it makes them dishonest and kinda stupid because they place so much importance on their name.
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http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/US/oneill_charges_040113.html (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/US/oneill_charges_040113.html)
someone steps up to corroborate the pre-9/11 saddam focus per O'Neil. Not that Bush tried to deny it. He just tried to blame it on Clinton.
However, you look a little deeper and realize that Bush squandered the goodwill of the entire planet post 9/11 for his Iraqi adventure the War College (and Howie Dean) called a "diversion from the war on terror"
nice
strk
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The war college didnt say anything. One instructor wrote an opinon article...
Sheesh...
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I admit that I have not seen it, but it was reported on the news as such - an official opinion paper from the War College. Do you (or anyone) have a link to the text of it?
btw grats on the gpa, even though business is a lame major :)
strk
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Here is the article, it is written by one person only but it is published in the Army War College Quarterly (The United States Army's Senior Professional Journal)
http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/03winter/contents.htm
looks prety well documented too.
I think your pooh-poohing of this as an opinion article form an instructor doesnt hold water - this is a scholarly writing, not some editorial. here is the gist
"This article identifies and examines the Bush Doctrine’s major tenets, and then assesses the doctrine’s strengths and weaknesses within the context of the Administration’s prospective attack on Iraq. "
and here is the conclusion
"However convincing the case for an attack on Iraq, preemption as a declaratory doctrine lacking criteria but applicable to a generic category of states invites real trouble after Iraq, and for that reason could turn out to be a poor, even impossible basis for America’s relations with the rest of the world.
Coda
In the earliest years of the Cold War, before the Soviet Union exploded its first atomic bomb, there were calls in the United States for preventive war against another evil dictator. The calls continued even after the Soviets detonated their first bomb in 1949. Indeed, in the following year, the Commandant of the Air Force’s new Air War College publicly asked to be given the order to conduct a nuclear strike against fledgling Soviet atomic capabilities. “And when I went to Christ,” said the Commandant, “I think I could explain to Him why I wanted to do it now before it’s too late. I think I could explain to Him that I had saved civilization. With it [the A-bomb] used in time, we can immobilize a foe [and] reduce his crime before it happened.”69
President Truman fired the Commandant, preferring instead a long, hard, and, in the end, stunningly successful policy of containment and deterrence. "
strk
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The fact that it's a well written opinion article does not change that it's an opinion article.