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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: DingHao2 on June 26, 2001, 01:19:00 PM
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I just looked @ the kill to death ratio in the scores section. The stats??
F4U-C: 2.4147 kills/deaths
Fw-190 D-9: 1.4702 kills/deaths--the best non-perked plane!
La-7: 1.2706 kills/deaths
Ta-152 H-1: 2.2637 kills/deaths
Tempest: 3.6139 kills/deaths
N1K2-J: 1.2180 kills/deaths
I see no reason why the niki should be perked; these stats show that is beatable and is not the best plane!
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I agree the N1K1 is not the best plane in the game as a matter of fact there is no best plane in the game its a matter of your personal flying style some R suited to the NIK some R suited to the P51 and 109 others R suited to the Zero and KI61 like me.
But I will say that it is a easy plane to learn what its strengths R and its weakness R. I have ended up in a furball 3 on 1 in my A6M5 VS 3 N1K1s and I flamed 2 and severly damaged the last before I went down so there is no need to perk the plane it is a great ride even though only about 2000where built late in the war and used as Kamikazi planes. Like all late war planes it is a excelent fighter if U want to start perking perk all late war planes that includes the Spit 9 and the LA7 the P51D and 109G10 FW190D9. Now would that make people happy no I dont think so they would find someting else to cry about and say should be perked. I am still voteing for perking the VH it kills me 75% of the time when I try and fly through it. :D
Hodo
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Originally posted by Ding_Hao:
I just looked @ the kill to death ratio in the scores section. The stats??
N1K2-J: 1.2180 kills/deaths
I see no reason why the niki should be perked; these stats show that is beatable and is not the best plane!
200 years ago 99% of pople though the sun turned around the Earth. That ignorance of the majority does not make the theory correct.
I am pretty sure that the abysmal record of N1K2 compared to it's performace is the result of many unexperienced pilots flying that plane.
More meaningfull statistics would be comparing kill/death ratios in different planes for more experienced pilots with significant number of sorties in either plane.
miko
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Originally posted by miko2d:
I am pretty sure that the abysmal record of N1K2 compared to it's performace is the result of many unexperienced pilots flying that plane.
not only unexperienced pilots, i take the NIKI up whenever i want to defend a base right from the runway, OK i may lose 3-5 but once i am airborn the fun starts, and no goon can bring troops in, so my NIKI stats look really bad, i think i am not even above 0.75 K/D, also its a wonderful deacker
On the other side when i take my belove D9 i try to avoid beeing killed, cause its to beautiful to be shot down.
For me its simply that way, i dont care for a lost NIKI but i care for a lost D9.
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Same here Naudet, I fly the niki in desperate defensive situations only. Then i get vulched and vulched, but when I get some 200mph speed and 20ft of alt its all ok. Even so I managed an about 2 to 1 k/d with the niki last tour, only flying in desperate low alt defensive situations. I dont care loosing them either so I just HO and HO and do other cool niki things as long as the bad guys leave.
I do care about flying most 109s and my k/d is much higher than in niki, but I get kills at slower rate.
Niki is very good plane in AH no doubt about this, though I look forward to see what issues pyro has with its FM, like he posted a few days ago.
OK Enlighten me, SW and DJVU. How have I personally offended you guys, your wives/partners, schildren, dead relatives and or pets in this post? :) (joke)
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Thats one of the problems with K/D ratios. Some planes have a huge deficit to overcome because they are good base defenders in desprate situations. Only a fool takes a P47 or a P51 up from a capped base...they just dont fly well enough at low speeds. The Zero and the Spit however are very common, as well as some others because they can manuver better righ after takeoff.
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Everytime I take a niki is when my base is under attack from numerous vulchers. If I can make it off the ground, I then fight 1 vs a lot.
That's one of the reason why the Niki stats are so low. Don't be fooled by them.
But I have less problem with the Niki not perked than the LA7 :D
Olivier "Frenchy" Raunier
(http://home.cfl.rr.com/rauns/sig-frenchy1.jpg)
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Dont look the k/d, instead take off with one and try to do everything, that you wouldnt dare to do in your normal ride (spit/p51). N1K:s best ability is its 150mph turn, which will make you always an HO opportunity.
Also the gun loadout combined with fast acceleration(keeps you behind the p51 for a while) makes it perfect plane for shooting escaping planes
Only n1k:s ive ever killed (1vs1) have been newbies or sneak bounces.
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What Naudet, miko, Frenchy, Grunherz, etc. say. K/D means nothing out of context. N1K2 is the perfect ride (or the only real chance) to have some success at defending a capped field. This does not mean that a defender wont get killed A LOT (hehehe, know this first hand) but at least he will have a chance against vulch....ahem <cough>...honorable opponents, masters at the game of field capping ;) But the K/D of that plane will suffer a lot. On the other hand, you have the High K/D planes. Usually they are faster planes, the ones that you Know should have to take off from a back field, take time to grab, etc. 'cause they are unable to defend themselves unless they are fast.
On this whole issue, I would use Perk points as they have been used with the Quak....<COUGH, COUGH>....ahem!....(sorry)...with the F4U-1C ;). Only to balance numbers. I know I've been very aggresive on the campaing to perk the F4U-1C. After seeing the results, I think it was right to perk it. I would like to see how it works to have this approach with the whole planeset.
Having perkies related with planes' performance is wrong. In the first place because performance is relative to flying style. A dedicated furballer will find Typhoon or La7 inferior to N1K2 or SpitIX...the opposite is true too.
If the goal of perkies is having a more interesting Arena, I can't see the performance as a factor to bear in mind. For me, an interesting Arena is a historical one. If it's not historical, it need to be as varied as it can be. Perks to have that diversity. Based on Arena Usage. That's all.
Cheers,
Pepe
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Originally posted by Ding_Hao:
I just looked @ the kill to death ratio in the scores section. The stats??
F4U-C: 2.4147 kills/deaths
Fw-190 D-9: 1.4702 kills/deaths--the best non-perked plane!
La-7: 1.2706 kills/deaths
Ta-152 H-1: 2.2637 kills/deaths
Tempest: 3.6139 kills/deaths
N1K2-J: 1.2180 kills/deaths
I see no reason why the niki should be perked; these stats show that is beatable and is not the best plane!
You know why that is?! The majority hate it so much they want to kill it at first sight (well, as long as it has a lower alt :D). The niki has become so popular as a hated aircraft, its public enemy #1! I sometimes go on a niki hunting missions actually :) They arent always successfull, but I take a few with me :D
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Ding_hao,
You forget one important thing:
Which planes are most used in underdog defence?
N1K of course belongs to this more than the chog, 190d, la7 etc.
When do people learn the numbers doesnt tell the whole truth?
Ps. what, are you saying chog is perk plane now? ;)
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I don't fly the nikki very often...and to be honest I don't fly it very smartly...it's truely an uber plane and you can get away with some truely gruesome things.
I've found myself apologizing for it more than once...but i've lost some fights vs spits (especially spit 5's) so it's certainly not invincible. I'd agree that many use it as a desperation ride (myself included) so it's stats are skewed...but i'd say perk it before la-7...la-7 is a much easier plane to defend against.
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Only a fool takes a P47 or a P51 up from a capped base
Call me a fool!! :p
(well, as long as it has a lower alt ).
Actually even when its at low and slow I've had it pull up and catch me after a 5k dive on it. Go figure :)
Bane
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Does the Spitfire IX 0.98 k/d mean that she is a below average fighter? No, she is an outstanding fighter. It means it is flown by a lot of green pilots and/or in the wrong way. Like my beloved C.205 :(
HTC is giving a look at the N1K2 FM. The best thing to do, IMHO.
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Every plane has strengths and weaknesses.. The way this perk whining works is very simple.
If a plane has strengths that make it strong against your particular ride then you will push for perking it. If it is weak against your plane choice you will not see why it needs to be perked. If it IS the plane of your choice you will fight against having it perked.
It really is that simple.
lazs
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Dont perk it...just ALLOW Pyro to fix the flight model as he stated he would. Same for the f4uc. Add the wieght its missing and then unperk it. Then Lower the perks for the Ta152...NOBODY hardly ever flys that plane as it is.
xBAT