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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: simshell on January 14, 2004, 01:40:07 AM
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iv allways fly for the bish sense day one and iv never left them
but i used to think all the countrys fight the same way but after this week iv learned that the rooks are nothing but 15k 20k alt monkeys flying nothing but 190D-9's P51's and even when they are flying knife fighters they still fly them at 15k evertime
infact when im flying my yak and i dive on a 190D-9 or P51 its funny to watch them act like dolts not knowing what to do they try everthing to not fight me in a 1v1!!! they try doing a loop and then trying to make a run for it or pretend to fight me then try to escape and then i mow them down in my great yak-u
infact they tryed to get away in anyplane i flew and the only time i got a 1v1 dogfight was when they were 5k higher then me
its realy sadd that you rooks are not fighters but only cherry pickers after fighting you guys im never joining the rooks ever
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Wow I thought they only did that to knights
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simshell,
what about the 5 vs 1 only time they'll fight ya
or the tactic of 300+ rooks storming the bish &/or knits and trying do a reset:rofl
still :rofl over last sunday nights RJO :lol
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How ironic...
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never joining the rooks ever [/B][/QUOTE]
We all have to learn to live with life's little dissapointments....
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If you see a Rook below 15k, you can bet its missing its tail :D
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WOW lol I thought I was the only one this happend to. Yeah whats up Rooks, why do you guys hate the 1 v 1 some much?:D
I must say that most of em that dive down and actually fight usually end up dying anyway. Hmmmm maybe thats why :rofl
I guess after wasting ten mins to climb to 25k it does suck to die in 10 seconds. lol
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opens with whine about Rook alts, then follow it up with "when I dive on them..."
Now I dont claim to be any kind of science professor or the likes of, But im pretty sure you would have to be higher than the rooks to dive on them....
Also worthy of note- last nite I fought at least 4 waves of 30k p38s, suicide pork lamers who wanted to keep A38 dead. For me the fun lies in knowing how long it takes to get 30k when yer heavy, & how quickly they died after the de-alted ;)
My Summation is that all countries do everything. Maybe not exactly the same, but REAL similar. And many people as well as squads switch countries all the time, so it only stands to reason tactics used would be very similar from country to country.
Anton
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LOL Anoton,
That dive part is funny.
But I have to say as of late the majority of the rooks that I have run into over the last couple of tours are always higher, by at least 10k or better and when they blow the merge do nothing but run for safety, only to climb back to alt ten mins later and not fight again.
Now if this were real life or we were getting paid the conservative attitude would be fine, but give me a break guys.
This is a game, that pits pilot against pilot. If you don't engage because you are worried about losing your advantage then this game sucks and your not going to get any better at it.
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The reason you think it's only the rooks doing this is you don't fly rook.
MiniD
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Exactly.
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i typically fly 15 to 18k in my 38. 90% of the time i will run into a 20-25k nit/bish over their own base when i get there.
~S~
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The reason you think it's only the rooks doing this is you don't fly rook.
Right, because my eyes are close the whole time I am flying lol (cheap shot)
Mini - this is a rook habbit. If I had a $ for every time someone said, "multiple contacts high alt."
Then someone says, "geez what are these guys doing so high, when none of us are over 8k?"
Then someone else says, "Must be Rook alt monkeys."
Then someone might say, "Could be bombers."
I would be bill gates.
Then low and behold they come into tag range and they are always Rooks, 51s, typh, 38s etc.
Now this would not be bad, but then they dive down, make a pass or two and run once they have lost the advantage. And sometimes even worse they dont even come down and fight.
As for the Bish, most of the Bish that I have run into lately will come down and fight.
As for the nights, we are so busy defending against the hords that we dont have any time to climb lolh.
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There's Altitude Simians in every country. Just as there are Weedwhackers in every country. Just as there are good sticks in every country. Just as there are weak sticks in every country. Just as.....
ah, well... you probably get it.
The ONE thing I've seen that isn't in every country is a willingness to all show up at the same time and declare a "joint operation" or something.
This can be either good or bad. Depends on if you like being on a steamroller side or if you like having lots of targets. Or if you don't like having to fight your buddies for a kill. Or if you don't like getting ganged.
Bottom line is this: There's that little button on the clipboard that has "Quit" written on it. If you're not having fun, no matter what side you're on, click on that and come back another time.
I enjoyed the last RJO until the last CV near the action was sunk and the rest of the fields were at 25% fuel. Then I simply availed myself of the "quit" option.
I do think it'd be pretty funny one RJO night,though, if when the 300+ showed up, the other 150 on each side all pressed the Q button, logged for maybe 3 hours and went and watched TV with their kids, took their wives to movies or took the dog for a walk.
I have this vision of a steamroller with no place to go. Sorta makes me smile.
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Aww more crap from whiners. I can pull a beet1e if you want. Post a couple of my recent flights as films, showing my 8-12k pony dodging high cons from either side(nits or bish). I've flown nits a couple of times this tour and had to dodge the same amount of bish AND rooks. You crybabies that think one side does this more than another are just that, crybabies.
Simshell, I'm a rook, tell me where to meet you, pick the alt.
I love playing AH!
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Kudos and the dive catch Anton. Comon Mars, first off, might i say bish dont come down to fight, they come down to auger into the ground hoping they got a few off into a strat or hanger. But back to you, the past 2 weeks or so, I have been in many a fight with you and your friends. Granted it is usaully me and a few squaddies against you and few others, but mostly they are fun fights. Where were you last night when there was a 30K+ Jug raid on Rooks HQ? In point, every side has its alt monkies and ground straffers.
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Yes Steve there are people on all sides that do climb to god awful altitudes, I guess they are up there just getting some alone time lol.
No kidding.
But as a trend this is what I have expierienced in the MA as of late, and they always seem to be Rooks. Especially on the maps where the bases are too far apart.
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Yeah rgr that JB42,
You guys, although always come in higher are not at crazy alt and engage, thank god. Great fights! And that is the main reason I tried not to say all rooks. But as of late, it seems, the majority of your country men like the thinner O2.
Yeah I wanted to fly last night but the girfriends carckin down. Soimething about "you better start spending more time with me and less time flying at that potato peeling computer" lolh.
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Sorry mars, but I spent a couple hours last night dodging P-51s. It's not any one country that predominantly does this... all do it.
MiniD
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Mars buddy, maybe you have just been fighting rooks a lot lately?
Rooks definitely have their share of alt lovers. Heck, I used to be one of those guys at 15-20k.(sometimes still go that high if I'm the lone guy heading for the full darbar). I really think there are alt lovers on all sides. Maybe just a coincidence you've experienced(shrug)
Simshell's first post if really pretty funny... there's hypocricy and contradictions all over it.
:aok
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Originally posted by simshell
this week iv learned that the rooks are nothing but 15k 20k alt monkeys flying nothing but 190D-9's P51's and even when they are flying knife fighters they still fly them at 15k evertime
Now is this EVERY single rook....most of the Rooks....the preponderence of the Rooks you've personally engaged or what? Just curious as generalities tend to discredit those who use them.
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Do I really have to explain everything to you people?
The bestest most talented fighter doods occupy the 20k to 30k alt belt....the rest of us are quakers.
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Originally posted by simshell
iv allways fly for the bish sense day one and iv never left them
If you never leave your country how do you know that members of your country dont do it too?
Originally posted by Toad
There's Altitude Simians in every country. Just as there are Weedwhackers in every country. Just as there are good sticks in every country.
Just as there are weak sticks in every country. Just as.....
If you only fly for one country you dont notice the people FROM your country doing the exact things you complain about. Being a habitual country switcher I can tell you that Toad is correct and every country has roughly equal amounts of Alt Monkeys, weed wackers, suicide fuel porkers, good pilots, bad pilots, yada yada yada. Maybe at a particular moment one may have more than the other, but on balance trough a 24hr period I doubt any one country has more than the other.
Dont believe me? Defect to another country some time and see for yourself.
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Its my 15 bucks and I can climb as high as I want to!! Why is it when I am at 15-20K in my Dora or Typh, there is alway a Bish or Knit above me. Glass houses man.....
SkipNutz
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Yeah Steve, you guys are right.
There are. No doubt about it, but that doesnt fan the flames here :D.
Lately I have been a spit dweeb staying below 10k trying to get my reversal just right, so I can actually shoot the guy when he goes flying by lol. So I have been hanging my prettythang out there alot waiting for some alt monkeys to take the bait. So that definatly has added to my feelings of being the lowest guy on the alt scale.
I have run into alot of timidity on both sides tho. Is timidity a word?:D Me and Bush makin up words. Yeah Baby.
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See post by MotorOil, that one on one was 40K+. I tried to engage that, knit or Bish bastage just wouldn't come down! So this is not a Rook thing. At least the Rook will engage.
Now I ask you, why would you come into a fight disadvantaged? It's called simple tactics. Guy with altitude dictates the battle.
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lol, well ya reeled me right in Mars... landed me w/out a fight
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Originally posted by simshell
i used to think all the countrys fight the same way but after this week iv learned that the rooks are nothing but 15k 20k alt monkeys flying nothing but 190D-9's P51's and even when they are flying knife fighters they still fly them at 15k evertime
infact when im flying my yak and i dive on a 190D-9 or P51 its funny to watch them act like dolts not knowing what to do they try everthing to not fight me in a 1v1!!! they try doing a loop and then trying to make a run for it or pretend to fight me then try to escape and then i mow them down in my great yak-u
High alt is usually a result of either a big map or front line enemy base fuel porkage. Fast planes + big fuel tanks = get to the fight quicker than in a Spitfire, 109, etc. and still be able to have enough fuel to dogfight for awhile.
If you're in a Yak and they're in a D-9 or stang, chances are all they can do is run away. If they loop, the Yak will have them.
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Timidity is out there no doubt. I'm a pretty easy kill right now, but you would be surprised (maybe not) at how often by flying aggressively (recklessly?) I will cause people to not engage even when they are in a superior position. Then again if its someone good they dont even think twice, they go for the throat and I die with extreme rapidity. If the timid only knew....
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Its amazing to me that some premadonna has the gall to gripe about the tactics about other players, I play different styles depending on my mood or squad ops, I fly ever type of aircarft in the inventory and try to get the best situation for every aircraft,
I too have my fustration < LA 7 > running down everthing In the arena. but thats AH, sometimes I even up a Jug and go 30k behind the enemy base to catch some napping dweebs cruising to alt got a tempest the other day doing that , made my day :D
but why would you ridicule some one for using effictive tactic's?
just sound like some folks can't adapt to anything but a low level furball, not that there is anything wrong with that but it gets old for me. so keep checking you six or ur tail my fall off :p
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Gloating in a yak....
heh...
next thing you know well have people complaining about how people dont turn and burn with zeros...
btw the yak is hands down one of the best air to air rides in the game..
Excellent speed , excellent view (best attribute imo) acceleration... only thing that plane is lacking are ammo duration and fuel endurance..
It bleeds e like a siv when manuevering hard (enabling out radii turning in stallfight) and retains e thru engine power when pushed at low g.
Anyone else want to tack on some more feel free..
Fly a p40b or 110 etc.. then you may complain ...
And on a side note all sides altmonkey and quite honestly what wrong with putting your plane in its prefered alt...
p51 and dora are best above 10k Niks, zekes , and other bottom feeders are better down low...
Jeeze the learning curve.........
Have a happy day..
:)
DoctorYO
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Ok, I had to add something else. Fight or flight... I usually fly with a wingman, but when I dont have a buddy with me. I am a lot less willing to engage and bandit unless the cards are staked way in my favor. I am trying to work on the fact that I have like 200 sorties and 35 or so landings. I get so tired of 1v1 with a guys, Drags me all the way to the gorund, I get the kill only to get pounced by a dude that was 5 miles behind him. I know that in this game you can go right back to the tower and hop into another plane, but isnt there something to be said for landing at the end of a flight. If I climb up and get some altitude it gives me more options. Fight or flight.... You only had one life in WW2.... I dont pick a fight with a dude I know will kick my asz.. I guess I am an Alt monkey....
SkipNutz
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LOL steve I wish you were that easy in the MA. Crap the DA or anywhere else the planes are strapped on for that matter.
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Originally posted by mars01
WOW lol I thought I was the only one this happend to. Yeah whats up Rooks, why do you guys hate the 1 v 1 some much?:D
Heh. I'm a Rook, and I'm sometimes reduced to begging for 1 vs 1 or 1 vs 2 fights from you other two countries. There've been times when I'd fly to the edge of a gaggle of Bish or Nits and call out over ch1 some volunteers to fight. I'll even politely ask if they'll limit the number to no more than 3 at a time (cause I suck). Heheheh, it's like ducks on a junebug. I really don't think the alt-monkey, gang-bang penom is unique to Rooks. C'mon, you all know it istn't. I'm not sayin Rooks don't do it. I'm sayin all three countries have their fair share.
slim03
p.s. I fly a pony most times, and I usually don't run, and I aint the only pony driver who doesn't. Tired of some people painting with a broad brush.
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Originally posted by T1loady
I dont pick a fight with a dude I know will kick my asz..
SkipNutz
IMO, the fastest way to get better is to fight those guys. Most of 'em are willing to help you, too. Ya just don't seem to get better from taking the easy fights.
I mean vultching is the easiest kill there is, essentially. Does it make you better? Not really.. you don't learn anything.
Engage. Have fun. It's a game.
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first off i made this thread because in my 3 last nights playing iv been with my squad fighting the rooks and almost everthing was high
whats been geting to me is how you guys never fight it realy dont matter in anyplane i fly they just try to run they only fight when there 5k above me
heck iv watched spitfires try to run from me and P38's and many other's
but the most funny thing was i saw a 10k goon no kidding and what was he a rook
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
simshell,
what about the 5 vs 1 only time they'll fight ya
or the tactic of 300+ rooks storming the bish &/or knits and trying do a reset:rofl
still :rofl over last sunday nights RJO :lol
2 nights ago i set the record for the biggest gangbang it was 28 planes going after me
and what were they rooks
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Originally posted by T1loady
I dont pick a fight with a dude I know will kick my asz.. I guess I am an Alt monkey....
SkipNutz
Hey Toad, I ment in real life. I wont pick a fight with a guy the is 6'6 and 300 pounds, i was trying to make a point. In the game I fly way to agressive and never land kills. Last night for example, I had 5+ sorites with 4 or more kills that I should have RTB'd with but got stupid and tried to get "just one more"
SkipNutz
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A 28k dweeb from that Rook pony squad once called me an alt monkey cause I was a 30k P47.
I learned something from back in the day of RPGs on the nintendo, if you always run you never get any better and then comes a time when you cant run, then you die.
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Tour 47 stats:
"The Rooks have 131463 kills and have been killed 108826 times against the Bishops."
"The Rooks have 125289 kills and have been killed 119946 times against the Knights."
I'm a country potato so I have no loyalty at all, but the only thing different I notice about Rooks is that they hardly ever have missions. Every country has alt dweebs and gang bangers and La/niki/spit hordes.
ra
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Originally posted by Rude
Do I really have to explain everything to you people?
The bestest most talented fighter doods occupy the 20k to 30k alt belt....the rest of us are quakers.
Have you no shame, man? Quit talking up the 13th like that! :p
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Actually us Rooks perfur to fly our C-47's at 50k plus simshell
What the hell that one was doing down at 10k I have no idea (he musta been a newbie ) :aok
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MotorOil said ... Guy with altitude dictates the battle.
Not necessarily.
Too many times I have baited down a higher plane and got them to bleed their E down to a point that they became trapped. I dictated the fight by creating angles that spoiled the guns solution on the attack run, all the while causing the attacker to lose precious E on each pass.
But back to the thread ...
I agree.
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Originally posted by Steve
Aww more crap from whiners. I can pull a beet1e if you want. Post a couple of my recent flights as films, showing my 8-12k pony dodging high cons from either side(nits or bish). I've flown nits a couple of times this tour and had to dodge the same amount of bish AND rooks. You crybabies that think one side does this more than another are just that, crybabies.
Simshell, I'm a rook, tell me where to meet you, pick the alt.
I love playing AH!
Awwwww, Steve - you sound like you're still mad at me. Are you? We can still be friends. :):)
EasyMode™!
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Nah Beet, I just wanted to pull ya into the thread... what's a good roundy in here if you're not involved?!
:D
effeminate poofter
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All P51s, Doras and (insert fast any fast plane) do is run...... I'm gonna start complaining about the Spits , Niks, Zekes and (insert any good turning plane here) turning all the time.
Every country has people who fly at high alts all the time. So what. If you don't want to be the low guy, climb.
Every country has at some point in time, numbers. If you don't want to be mobbed, don't fly into the mobs, or grab over em...(see above).
If I'm in a pony (happens alot..see first comment) then no...I'll not be diving into your group of planes (no matter what the type) and turning with you if I don't have to. I'll be busy trying to keep my E up vs yours and attempting to pick at your group. And when the group gets to be about co-e with me, I'll be leaving thank you very much.
If you don't like the fast planes running from you, then fly a fast plane. It's not really that heroic of a thing to outturn a pony in a spit or similar circumstances anyway. Outturn the pony (or the spit) in a pony and you've done something.
On the other hand it is not that big a deal to win an E fight vs. any other plane if you start out with the advantage...although it seems to be for some folks. Win from a disadvantage...that's doing something too.
Cherry Picking.....I can't believe that someone would just let one of their countrymen die. It happens I know but still......unless I get a definitive request from my buddy NOT to jump in, I'm all up in the fight. I'm thinking most others are too. Now if you kill the cherry picker and his buddy, your a hero...feel free to gloat publicly. I generally avoid gloating because it would be so rare that I COULD gloat that it would draw attention to the fact I have nothing to gloat about most of the time I am playing the game.
P.S....all you spit, nik, La and (insert good turner here..again) that think all a pony or jug can do is bnz or run...thank you. Nothing is more satisfying that getting lucky and popping one of ya diving on my pony or jug from on high at about a zillion miles an hour. (I stress luck heavily)
Zaphod the Non-Turning-Running-Cherry-Picking-Lamer-P51-Dweeb.
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Yea yea yea, Rooks are alt monkeys and bish fly nothing but Spits and Laffers. Well I have flown with all 3 countries and it is just a matter of perception. You tend to notice people doing different things then you are. If your main ride is a Typhoon (like me) and you tend to fly at 12-15k then "everyone" above you is an alt monkey. If your attacking a base with a heavy advantage then "everyone" on that side will be in a laffer and a spit because they are easy to defend with.
Try the other side of the fence now and then and you will see that the view doesnt change much.
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****ing idiots
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you can lead a horses arse to water, but you cant make him think.
It's obvious to me, sim doesnt want to see the other perspective, & no amount of logic, or number of examples will sway him. But it is refreshing to see that many people have the same view of what to expect in the MA that I have.
This thread sure did get alot of posts in a short time:D
Anton
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Anyone Flying above you is an Alt Monkey
Anyone Flying below you is a Weed wacker.
;)
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Originally posted by Grimm
Anyone Flying above you is an Alt Monkey
Anyone Flying below you is a Weed wacker.
;)
anyone co-alt is a HOjoustrunawayflee dweeb.
:aok
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Originally posted by Shane
anyone co-alt is a HOjoustrunawayflee dweeb.
:aok
LOL!!!
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Well to be honest, given about equal speed, the only plane I enjoy being under is a b26 :D But I don't think many people climb to 20k over the base they took off from. I also don't know if its smart to fly 300+ ias to a fight a sector away. Why not 250 and convert any excess speed to alt (omitting those occaisions when a fast arrival is essential)? And if the fight ends before you get there and you have to go further for a fight, I can see how it might seem you're an alt monkey when in reality you haven't been blowing e with excess speed.
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lol shane
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Originally posted by simshell
whats been geting to me is how you guys never fight
So do you mean All Rooks never fight, most Rooks never fight, or a preponderence of the Rooks you engage never fight? First it was Rooks are alt monkeys, now it's Rooks never fight, and as you state this opinion is based on 3 nights of flying. Keep digging Sim...you'll make it to China yet.
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Originally posted by Toad
IMO, the fastest way to get better is to fight those guys. Most of 'em are willing to help you, too. Ya just don't seem to get better from taking the easy fights.
I mean vultching is the easiest kill there is, essentially. Does it make you better? Not really.. you don't learn anything.
Engage. Have fun. It's a game.
DING! We have a winner, not a whiner. ;)
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So do you mean All Rooks never fight, most Rooks never fight, or a preponderence of the Rooks you engage never fight? First it was Rooks are alt monkeys, now it's Rooks never fight, and as you state this opinion is based on 3 nights of flying. Keep digging Sim...you'll make it to China yet.
ALL OF THE ABOVE!!! LOLH:rofl
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Originally posted by Toad
IMO, the fastest way to get better is to fight those guys. Most of 'em are willing to help you, too. Ya just don't seem to get better from taking the easy fights.
I mean vultching is the easiest kill there is, essentially. Does it make you better? Not really.. you don't learn anything.
Engage. Have fun. It's a game.
Best thing I have read in this thread that made any sense, given ya a thataboy Toad :aok
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Vulchin is easy and no you dont learn anything, but man it sure is fun when you are on the giving end. :aok
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My game pc blew its guts all over the place t'other day. Soon as I get a new one, I'll be back in the main arena. Couple of weeks away, hopefully.
Flying in the MA is a great experience...so just SHUT UP and enjoy it! On the nights when there are more than 500 people logged on it would be a ruddy miracle if there WASN'T someone above you.
Oh... and newb...watch out for the guys with the following handles;
Drex
Leviathn
Toad
Rude
Nath
Widewing
Did I leave anyone out?
Shuckins
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Here ya go Simshell, my first flight of the night and oh my look what happens!!!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_54_1074130641.jpg)
Notice Zippy's alt
Oh my what's next??? Look out a high Tempest!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_54_1074130719.jpg)
Notice DmdRodan's alt. Zippy has died, what an altmonkey!
Wow, what could happen next?
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_54_1074131344.jpg)
Notice DmdRodan's alt now. After catching a few of my bullets in the canopy, Rodan is forced to run home, landing 3 kills. What an alt monkey! Oh look, Zippy has returned. Look at his alt!
What could we have happen next?
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_54_1074134543.jpg)
Oh my, look at Mayhem's alt as he enters the fray!
What could happen next?
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_54_1074132074.jpg)
Here is Mayhem's alt as he exits the fray. You can see his plane directly in my gunsight. He vaporized.
So, it seems that there are altmonkeys all over, and this is my first flight of the evening.
Don't worry, all's well that ends well!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_54_1074135008.jpg)
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I'll vary my alt depending on what I've seen in the AOR I'm flying in. Most of the time I'll be at 15k or lower if I've got a wingman. If I'm flying solo which I find I do more often than not lately I'll go no lower than 10k to avoid getting jumped by multiple fighters and shoved down even lower to even more fighters.
I have found that my primary plane does extremely well above 18k to 25k against others. Plus atleast there if you run into someone it's only the two of you. I've had very nice experiences up there with the 1 on 1 and 2 on 1 engagements. Even though it does great lower than 15k I still prefer the higher alt engagements.
I'm not gonna whine if someone is higher. I've just failed to come in at a proper alt. Plus I"m just hoping they'll pass on by and leave me alone at that stage.:D
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Steve ... has beet1e been tutoring u lately on the finer aspects of filmaking ... :D
we all can produce films/pictures to show what we want inorder to prove a point.
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Give Steve a hand best dang film I seen on here or clips there of!
noticed most time it was Rooks 11 to 5 knights, or rooks 8 to 6 knights or rooks 9 to 7 knights, or low and behold rooks 18 to 7 knights with only 1 of the 7 in the last clip in a plane no less, and the funny comments about steamrolling in the txt buffer, I got to say these clips should win best funnys of the year! Job Well Done!:aok :rofl
oh yeah, notice the speeds at which his 51 reached like when zippy was 515 heck Steve was not more than 50 mph slower as if he dove and gave up his alt for that speed? hmm something seems a foot here! :rofl
Good One Steve!
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Slapshot, well what is your point? My point was to show that it's not just the rooks that fly high as simshell whined in this thread.
I think I made it.
Edit: Btw Slapper, it was shane who gave me the tips on film stuff. :)
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oh yeah, notice the speeds at which his 51 reached like when zippy was 515 heck Steve was not more than 50 mph slower as if he dove and gave up his alt for that speed? hmm something seems a foot here!
just what the hell are you talking about? I merged w/ zippy a couple of times, then he went away. What the hell is your point?
noticed most time it was Rooks 11 to 5 knights, or rooks 8 to 6 knights or rooks 9 to 7 knights, or low and behold rooks 18 to 7 knights with only 1 of the 7 in the last clip in a plane no less, and the funny comments about steamrolling in the txt buffer, I got to say these clips should win best funnys of the year! Job Well
Again, what the hell are you talking about? Are you stoned? This thread isn't about numbers you tard, it's about alt. Geezus, is your comprehension level that low? Or are you just desperately trying to find a way to spew totally irrelevent sarcasm? Grab $.50 and head for the corner boy, with any luck a clue bus will be along and give you a ride
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you did make a point of showing others fly with a good amount of alt!
good one:aok
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Nah Stevey I just wanted to get ya nerved :D wasn't trying to stress any point and seriously some nice film clips
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Lol Tequila. that is the second time(edit: today) someone got me to swallow the whole derned lure... wtg.
Gonna need surgery to get these things outta my throat.
Good one.
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You crybabies that think one side does this more than another are just that, crybabies.
Nuff Said.
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Slapshot, regarding the quote below:
Too many times I have baited down a higher plane and got them to bleed their E down
How many times have you done it to someone of equal skill and smacked them around? I can draw newbies into my fight easy enough, but get someone on the top end of the food chain and things get a bit dicey.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Steve ... has beet1e been tutoring u lately on the finer aspects of filmaking ... :D
we all can produce films/pictures to show what we want inorder to prove a point.
LOL! No, Beet1e has been sucking wind in a 109G6 versus Spit V and C205 in the CT. Would you believe it, I was just about to post to ask Steve why he hadn't posted the film, when I saw Slapshot's comment. :lol I was drinking coffee at the time, but luckily I'd put the cup down. :D
Actually, Slapshot, the best use of film is not to make a point, but to provide a rebuttal to someone else's point. Eg. "there are no fights on the pizza map"...
...speaking of which, is it Friday yet? :D
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This is the silliest thread I've read yet I do believe!
Ok, let me get this straight...
I shouldn't fly a Spit cause that makes me a Spit Dweeb. (there's been plenty of threads about that)
I shouldn't fly LA7s because it so easy and can outrun everything else. (plenty of threads about this too)
I shouldn't fly Niks or P38s because they are uber. (these treads go on and on)
I shouldn't TnB because that's for beginners. The real aces of the game BnZ. (wars break out over this)
Now I'm being told I shouldn't fly P51s or Doras because alt monkeys are cowards and don't want to fight. Or maybe the idea here is that I should fly a Mustang as if it were a Spit or FM2. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense!
It sounds to me like we have a lot of really bored people playing this game that should probably move on to something else. As for me, I'm so average that I get excited just to fly a plane the way it's supposed to be flown and if I RTB in it that's a huge success story.
When I "arrive" and am so good that all I can do to bring some excitment to this game is criticize everyone else, I hope I'll have the discipline and grace to just quit and spare everyone the grief.
Like I said, this is truly the silliest thread I have read in a long while.
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Originally posted by TheManx
Slapshot, regarding the quote below:
How many times have you done it to someone of equal skill and smacked them around? I can draw newbies into my fight easy enough, but get someone on the top end of the food chain and things get a bit dicey.
Hey Manx <>
Haven't kept tally, but people of equal skill - don't really know.
People from the top end of the food chain - I would say very few.
The top end of the food chain would figure out what I was trying to do and most would probably bug out before they reached the point of no return or would have killed me on a nice snapshot or deflection shot while I was slow.
I hope that my original thread did not implyt that I was "smacking" them around. That was not the intent. The point was that it is not always the person with alt who dictates the fight.
The diceier the fight ... the better ... win or lose.
Oh ... that reminds me ... you owe me a couple of films !!!
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Originally posted by Steve
Slapshot, well what is your point? My point was to show that it's not just the rooks that fly high as simshell whined in this thread.
I think I made it.
Edit: Btw Slapper, it was shane who gave me the tips on film stuff. :)
The point is .... ummmm ... I forget !!!
I don't think that anyone has claimed that ALL Knights fly below 10K, which your snapshots showed so clearly. That would be ludicrious. Every country has its alt monkeys.
Maybe its a figament of my imagination, but it appears that the majority of rooks that I encounter (not ALL), are always extremely high, don't usually engage (maybe they are on a pork fuel run), and if they engage, its usually "one pass - haul prettythang". Again, I will repeat ... NOT ALL ROOKS exhibit these behavior.
There are alot of rooks who are "game" and love to fight ... JBs and FDBs come to mind. I think that the RJO, albeit succuessful, might have taught some bad habits to alot of rook players.
As far as the hooks ... I checked with all the guys and they use nothing but stainless ... infection should not be a problem. :D
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Everybody should fly Corsairs.
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What TC said! :aok
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As far as the hooks ... I checked with all the guys and they use nothing but stainless ... infection should not be a problem.
Hehehe, I've got a problem then. You saw how hard I swallowed the damned things, was hoping for regular hooks so they'd eventually corrode!!!
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Sorry Slap, I haven't been in AH for a couple weeks. Been trying out WWIIOL. I'll try and get into AH this weekend.
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Hey Manx how do you like WWII online compared to AH?
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hehe iv made a monster thread:p
first off im not telling somebody not to fly a spitfire or a la7 who got the idea i was saying that
but when i get CO alt in anyplane you rooks just run for the first time last week i had spitfires runing from me alot in my yak and there was to many spitrunners to call it bingo ammo fuel on everone
and what were they rooks
most of the rooks are high alt flying boom zoom planes nothing wrong with that but but 100% of the time they ran when i got CO alt and i had shoot there tail off to many times and i dont fly a spitfire or nik or any great turners much
you guys can fly as high as you want just leting everbody know that most of you are bad pliots so you must climb to high alts in high speed aircraft to make up for your lack of 1on1 skill
know im not saying ther bad pliots for because of nothing
evertime i was able to force the 1v1 iv won with ease its been like a joke there skill was like the H2H players
now the KNIGHT's have my respect they fight my best fights were KNIGHT's
they are fighters were most of the rooks struggle to even make the fight longer then 10 secs
if i had to leave the bish i would join the nights
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Generalizations are great indications of ignorance.
A-Clown
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Ah the rooks published Cloud Chimp Magazine:rolleyes:
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Hey Manx how do you like WWII online compared to AH?
I'm enjoying it Slapshot, but I also enjoy AH. It does need a fair bit of work to the flight model but it has some realism ideas that AH misses out on. The other day I had a blade of my prop shot off, whereas a split second later all I had left was the spinner. The damage graphics aren't there yet, but by the sound and control of the plane I knew it was what was hit. Next patch I guess visual damage will be added. It also has engine management, but dosen't include fuel management. The crash to ground model is poor but somehow they've made it so both planes experience collisons in rams. It takes a pretty hefty computer to play successfully though, but it's enjoyable.
What I enjoy is the immersion part of the game. Where air to air battles fall behind AH, the Air to Ground component, Ground to Ground component, and Sea to Ground and Air components all exceed what Aces High has put forth so far. For me, it's a good break from the same old. Plus, when half my squad came here, another group went to WWIIOL to setup the squad there.
By the way, this isn't a ploy to get AH people to go there. Fly where you want, and have fun when you can.
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Originally posted by TheManx
What I enjoy is the immersion part of the game. Where air to air battles fall behind AH, the Air to Ground component, Ground to Ground component, and Sea to Ground and Air components all exceed what Aces High has put forth so far.
Absolutely agreed.
Would be wonderful if we could have best of both sims: WWIIOL beats hands down AH in anything involving ground ops, be it CAS, Vehicles or infantry, and it is a lot more immersive. AH makes WWIIOL's flight model look pathetic.
Pity for us there is no way of getting both worlds in a single pack.
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I guess it is the fact that AH is stuck in this middle territory with a great flight model and shtty ground game.
It seems the majority of the people want to strat and play the ground game, with less empahsis on the AtoA game. I guess that is why the maps reflect farther bases and dont foster a good AtoA furball type game play anymore.
Manx, how is the AtoA in WWII online. Do they have a concept of a furball? How does the AtoA compare to AH in the sense of how long you fly to find a fight, and the number of enemy cons fighting at one time? etc.
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Originally posted by anton
opens with whine about Rook alts, then follow it up with "when I dive on them..." [ENDQUOTE]
LMFAO!
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Originally posted by HomeBoy
This is the silliest thread I've read yet I do believe!
Ok, let me get this straight...
I shouldn't fly a Spit cause that makes me a Spit Dweeb. (there's been plenty of threads about that)
I shouldn't fly LA7s because it so easy and can outrun everything else. (plenty of threads about this too)
I shouldn't fly Niks or P38s because they are uber. (these treads go on and on)
I shouldn't TnB because that's for beginners. The real aces of the game BnZ. (wars break out over this)
Now I'm being told I shouldn't fly P51s or Doras because alt monkeys are cowards and don't want to fight. Or maybe the idea here is that I should fly a Mustang as if it were a Spit or FM2. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense!
It sounds to me like we have a lot of really bored people playing this game that should probably move on to something else. As for me, I'm so average that I get excited just to fly a plane the way it's supposed to be flown and if I RTB in it that's a huge success story.
When I "arrive" and am so good that all I can do to bring some excitment to this game is criticize everyone else, I hope I'll have the discipline and grace to just quit and spare everyone the grief.
Like I said, this is truly the silliest thread I have read in a long while.
Talk about walking on eggshells, lol
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Originally posted by simshell
you guys can fly as high as you want just leting everbody know that most of you are bad pliots so you must climb to high alts in high speed aircraft to make up for your lack of 1on1 skill
Any rooks wanna volunteer to take this dweeb into the DA. He needs some enlightenment.
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Steve screenies:
1) 11 rooks vs 5 knits only 1 has alt on you
2) 8 rooks vs 6 knits only 2 have alt on you
3) 9 rooks vs 7 knits and you are on deck
4) 14 rooks vs 5 knits and only 1 has alt on you
5) 18 rooks vs 7 knits and you on deck
errrrrr.... what was your point?
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Originally posted by bizket
Any rooks wanna volunteer to take this dweeb into the DA. He needs some enlightenment.
sure, i'll take ya. just drop me a line when you see me on.
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Dipstick, this thread didn't have anything to do w/ numbers. It was about how rooks fly high. I was pointing out that every country has altmonkeys. Were you really unable to follow along w/ this?
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no kidding.. i hop countries whenever the mood strikes me. i can say there are plenty of knits who are just like rooks in flying high and being timid. just as there are bish.
alt itself doesn't bother me insomuch as the amount of timidity i see.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
A 28k dweeb from that Rook pony squad once called me an alt monkey cause I was a 30k P47.
Who would you be referring to?
Thats what I thought.
Altitude is life - whats wrong with that?
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Originally posted by bizket
Any rooks wanna volunteer to take this dweeb into the DA. He needs some enlightenment.
Typical Rookie, needs to call his buddies to help him do a job he can't do alone
ack-ack
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Damn Arlo..where are you? Here is a whine which needs to be detect.
infact when im flying my yak and i dive on a 190D-9 or P51 its funny to watch them act like dolts not knowing what to do they try everthing to not fight me in a 1v1!!!
Thats only nonsens.
You really expect a 190D9 or Pony fighting with you while you dive down to it in your Yak? If he would do, you probably would call him a HO queen.
The average pilot in the MA is not more than just..hmm..average.
And if he is an experienced average pilot, he knows when its time to run.
Bragging around that everybody runs from your diving Yak isnt very impressive.
You better fly a 190D9 and fight a Yak which is diving down to you.
That would teach you some modesty.
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or learn how to fly the d9 from a disadvantage (or any plane for that matter) and pop that yak.
;)
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Typical Rookie, needs to call his buddies to help him do a job he can't do alone
ack-ack
LOL! You didnt expect me to do it did you???? I suck:p
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Maybe Anton would duel him Yak on Yak-
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its realy sadd that you rooks are not fighters but only cherry pickers after fighting you guys im never joining the rooks ever
Never was 2 weeks long. Simshell is a rook!
Blahahahahahahaha!!!
Ahahahahahaha!!!
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
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Bish learn to fight primarily at the 2k - 10k alt range. This is a completely accidental result of always having porked fuel at their forward bases.:D
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Originally posted by SlapShot
MotorOil said ... Guy with altitude dictates the battle.
Not necessarily.
Too many times I have baited down a higher plane and got them to bleed their E down to a point that they became trapped. I dictated the fight by creating angles that spoiled the guns solution on the attack run, all the while causing the attacker to lose precious E on each pass.
Yes necessarily.
The guy you nailed could have kept on flying, could have shadowed you, could have fled, but chose to engage. While dictating the battle your opponent can not dictate the outcome. The altitude just gave him a few more options. Your options remained limited, move or die.
Typically speaking you can't engage an ememy that is say 5-10k above you. Unless they initiate the attack.
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Oh my "refined texas-tea" friend ...
Shoulda - coulda - woulda ...
I bait them down.
I create the angles that burn their E.
I kill them.
Sounds to me like I am in control and not them. If they chose to play my game then I have the control.
Yes its deadly and the percentages aren't in my favor, but as long as I do it right and they keep coming back for more, I am in control.
Don't touch that knob .... :D
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Having alt is a personal choice. If you're high you have more options. Having stated the obvious, I'm in no way implying that the rooks have any particular agenda by flying high. Most times its hard to figure out what they intended to do evey while they're doing it.
You have to fly high if you want to run down the ??? (add your favorite runner plane here) that are fleeing the fight.
It is hard to fault the map for the high-alt flying. Even on small maps the folks that want to fly high will. The long flight times on the larger maps contribute to the bogeys being high. Most of them don't know what to do with the height, so its not that much of a threat.
Grimm - I agree 100%, everything is relative. The high guy is still an alt-monkey, even if I'm at 28K and he's co-alt.