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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: iculus on May 25, 2001, 01:15:00 PM
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I tend to be more of a Western front person. What are the pro's and cons's of this purty looking plane? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Thanks,
IC
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It is Russia's version of the A-10, heavily amored and armed to the teeth. The best tank killer in WW-2....
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flying tank...
mx22
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Well, I'd say the A-10 is more of a US modern-day version of the Il-2, considering that A-10 wasn't yet around in the late 30s.
The AH Il-2 is missing some of its more potent armament though - anti-armor BRS-82 and BRS-132 rockets, the 37mm cannon version of armament, the cassette anti-tank bombs.
An Il-2 based sim from Maddox Games published by UbiSoft in the US should be available in November. It looks like it'll contain the full variety of Il-2's armament options. So those interested might take a look at that sim.
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It climbs like lancaster and is slower than lancaster. Only trouble is, that its easy to overshoot becouse its low speed. Overshooting can be quite lethal, since one ping of its 2x20mm will remove big part from your plane.
I prefer aproach from high 8 or 4 and make fast slight turning pass to its wingtip. Use cannons only and dont save ur bullets, since few pings dont do anything no matter where you shoot. Somebody said in MA, that he had to use all of hes 120 20mm shvaks to drop it, so try to concentrate on one spot (wings).
The 6 gunner isnt threat, if you dont ib from straight 6.
HO only with 4xcannons and evade well before he can shoot back.
IMO.
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Cool! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Thanks!
IC
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Originally posted by Tuomio:
It climbs like lancaster and is slower than lancaster. Overshooting can be quite lethal, since one ping of its 2x20mm will remove big part from your plane.
I prefer aproach from high 8 or 4 and make fast slight turning pass to its wingtip. Use cannons only and dont save ur bullets, since few pings dont do anything no matter where you shoot. Somebody said in MA, that he had to use all of hes 120 20mm shvaks to drop it, so try to concentrate on one spot (wings).
The 6 gunner isnt threat, if you dont ib from straight 6.
HO only with 4xcannons and evade well before he can shoot back.
IMO.
Well, I heard from a good source that when not loaded with air-to-ground weapons (bombs, rockets) the Il-2 can fight 109Es in maneuverable fights. So it's only slow when loaded. I havent' tried the AH Il-2 so I don't know how they modeled it.
Also, the staple version has 23mm VYa cannon that are more powerful than ShVAKs, not only because of a slightly high caliber but higher muzzle velocity and weight of its rounds.
I'm a surpsied that the gunner isn't a threat - shouldn't it be at least as much of a threat as gunners on TBF or B-26s as currently modeled in AH ??
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Originally posted by Wisk-=VF-101=-:
<snipped>I'm a surpsied that the gunner isn't a threat - shouldn't it be at least as much of a threat as gunners on TBF or B-26s as currently modeled in AH ??
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I got 2 kills and one assist as a gunner over several flights, but the 200 round loadout makes the position almost worthless.
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Otter
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I will let you guys know how the IL-2 game turns out. I was one of the lucky 200 out 3000+ to make the BETA which should be at my door step sometime next week... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Cleaner (edited 05-25-2001).]
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I prefer aproach from high 8 or 4 and make fast slight turning pass to its wingtip. Use cannons only and dont save ur bullets, since few pings dont do anything no matter where you shoot. Somebody said in MA, that he had to use all of hes 120 20mm shvaks to drop it, so try to concentrate on one spot (wings).
The 6 gunner isnt threat, if you dont ib from straight 6.
Hehe, for me IL2s are one of the easiest "buffs" to shoot down - much easier than a B26 for example. IL2s pop like balloons even in front of my 109F4 (1x20mm) - got 3 IL2s in a row with that setup - came from low six, no worrie about reargunner that way! Fired away long bursts from point blank range - if they break, fine for me (F4 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ).
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Well, I heard from a good source that when not loaded with air-to-ground weapons (bombs, rockets) the Il-2 can fight 109Es in maneuverable fights. So it's only slow when loaded. I havent' tried the AH Il-2 so I don't know how they modeled it.
Yes, the Il-2 manouvers very well in low speeds, so thats why you should keep your speed up when approaching. If you pull up after pass, dont reverse too early, since Il-2 can keep its nose up quite a long time. I killed one n1k yesterday when he reversed too soon.
It sucks lots of fuel, so its usually flied in heavy fuel loadouts.
I'm a surpsied that the gunner isn't a threat - shouldn't it be at least as much of a threat as gunners on TBF or B-26s as currently modeled in AH ??
I havent found TBM gunner a threat in any ways. Just keep your speed up and it can put only few pings to your plane. I like shooting to wingtip and i usually remove it in one pass.
b-26 gunner is a whole other issue. THAT is a very bad threat and i usually prefer to leave them alone if im not in buff hunter.
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The Il-2 is a scenario plane. The only reason to fly it in the MA is if you want a change of pace. There are a lot of better ground attack planes available in the MA.
ra
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I survived a 37mm ost hit.
The second one tor me up though.
eskimo
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RA, you should tell that to the knights last night. We used IL-2's to literally shred their fields. This aircraft is a welcome addition and a potent adversary, especially with a cap. Be careful you do not dismiss this to soon.
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Bodhi, you would have done even better with Hogs or Jugs or Tiffies or 190F8's or P38's. I don't dismiss the Il-2, but in the MA it is very much outclassed by many other planes.
If a field is well capped by friendlies, you can tear it up with TBM's or Ju-88's just as well as Il-2's.
ra
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I was attacking an ostie and m16 last night in an Il2. One one pass the ostie hit me with 1 37mm and I heard at least 10 50 cal hits. I got the m16 and then looked at my damage: right Mg and right cannon (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I guess it's pretty tough. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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bloom25
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THUNDERBIRDS
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I was at A15 last night with the onslaught of IL2’s and Tony’s. I have only flown the IL2 once but have shot at it many times (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif). What do I have to say about it?
<Best Night of the Living Dead Voice> “Sennndd morrrree ILlllll 2-ooossss”
Nice big slow target (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Zippatuh
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Seconded Zippatuh - bagged two, got multiple assists, and only using the M16 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cheers
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The real IL-2 had thick armor and could withstand many hits- some Me109 pilots said IL-2s could take their entire ammo load at short range and fly away. Some people here say their AH IL-2s show similar surviability traits- my experience is diametrically opposite- my AH IL-2s have fallen apart if I sneeze too hard (well, OK, they fall apart on the first hit from any plane, mgs included). I tried to defend a field using IL-2s and died something like 20 times, each instantly. In my experience the AH IL-2 is useless.
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Used it for a couple of sorties....
Attacks on all PNZRs have thus far been unsuccessfull even with side,top and rear attacks and I usually fell to the 30 cal pintel MG.
The rear gunner is absolutely worthless.
As much as I enjoy AH, I cant help but feel its becoming more and more a childish dweebish AW'ish game and less and less any sort of halfway decent representation of ww2 air/land/sea combat.
Yeager
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I used the Il-2 for base defence and killed in a row 4 gv. Was pinged by a 190 and made it home. True the rear gunner isn't something that you can depend on, but then the Il-2 is empty there is a chance to survive in a turn fight.
A good bird with good and bad sides. I like it.
Sailor
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Wisk - the 37mm version wasn't very popular - it was very detrimental to the handling of the aircraft and had too much recoil. AFAIK, the 23mm version is more representative.
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Its biggest downfall is it is not a NIki.
A Niki outclimbs a LA7, has more punch than a 190A8 with .30mm, and can exstend before you can say P51. So I heard anyways....
Othwise, the IL2 is slow and stable when so...with a big punch in the face cannon load, and decent protection fwd to boot.
Get out of it what you can... if it did well here, people would squeak it into 70 point perk oblivion, so maybe its modelled accordingly..dunno.
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Yeagar - I used it for the first time today. I took out one panzer with rockts, 2 with the 23mm and an m16 with the machine guns. I also bombed an ostwind. I attacked the two panzers from the rear, and it only took maybe a 2 second on-target burst to kill them.
Perhaps it was your (or their) connection?
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I have only flown it a coupe times online but it seems very durable. i was ditched next to a knight airfield and was strafed a number of times and still lived.
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Well, IL-2 armor is modeled .... strange.
I survived 3 (three) 37mm Ostwind hits without any damage,
but m3, m16 or other .5 equipped GV's ALWAYS kill my engine ....
Gie
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"I survived a 37mm ost hit.
The second one tor me up though.
eskimo"
Ostwind is 40mm right??
Greetings,
JG5FaBi.
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No, ostwind is a 37mm shell.
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in 1945 there whare special version`s of il2
2x 37mm and 2x 13mm MG or 4x 23mm
after that they made il-10 with the same armament.
That was a PNZER KILLER (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Yeager:
Used it for a couple of sorties....
The rear gunner is absolutely worthless.
Yeager
I attacked a well caped enmy field, passed throught the courtain of ballets of some spits and la7, fired rockets and got a kill of an Il2 on rwy, passed throught the courtain of bullets of acks running the field along its runway, undamaged.
A Niki got on my low six and scored several 20mm pings on me, no damage, the Niki made a bad move and put himself into de field of my tail gunner, a long burst and the Niki blown up.
Run out of fuel and ditched at sea, UNDAMAGED.
The rear gunner worth something as well as the armour.
Next sortie I took a Ki61. Spotted an enmy Il2 low, dived on him and fired a close burst from his hi 12 on the cockpit, boom, the Il2 destroyed with very few rounds.
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Yeager, that rear gunner is just for show and idiots. Why shoot a single .50 at an attacker when you have 6 guns on the front side?
The defense is the low speed handling that allows you to get that nice armor and heavy front guns on to pretty much any attacker.
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Last night I got about 20 GV kills in about an hour. The situation was ideal: lots of GVs with no fighter cover.
eskimo
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Well Im not sure what the deal is: An IL2 makes a frontal low angle attack on my PNZR and I blow up immediately. I make a rear, low angle attack on a PNZR in a IL2, getting a nice concentrated mass of hits on him and I blow up from MG hits. Thats the way its been going for me alot lately.
Im in a B26 and a P51 makes a high angle -rear top- to -front bottom- pass on me. I get a good burst of fire on his fuselage and he nsapshots me and I blow up. Im in a P51 and I make a -rear top- to -front bottom- pass on a B26, I get a good burst on his fuselage and he gets a snapshot on me and I blow up. I appreciate that this can and should happen from time to time but since 1.07 thats all thats been happening to me.
Y
[This message has been edited by Yeager (edited 05-28-2001).]
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I'm glad we got it. Seems to hold up to ground fire better than anything else we've got. That is my impression after 5 jabo sorties on airfields. I got lucky on one sortie and used all six 100k bombs and all the rockets to good effect on a mostly- intact airfield while suffering only gun and flap damage. I also killed 2 niki's there with the 23 mm. This round seems to hit pretty hard by the way. It might be my imagination, but it also seems like the rockets on the Sturmovic are more accurate than others.
This bird did not hold up well at all to (4) 20mm Hispanos from a close range 8 o'clock high attack. Blew it in half.
Still checking it out, but it seems like the Il-2 might change the dynamics of the gameplay just a bit. It's an interesting plane. It sure beats seeing Chogs everywhere you look.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Gunthr
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I remember that Finnish Air Force pilots had a way of dealing with Il-2's - they learned that it had a weak spot at the wing root, where relatively few hits were required to cause critical damage. I don't remember if it was by setting a fuel tank or fuel line on fire or by structural weakening...
Would be nice to have this modelled in AH (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Luny
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I read a Bf-109 pilot's statement that the way to shoot down an IL-2 was to attack from low 6 and shoot for the radiator/air scoop area under the fuselage between the wings. Any smoke or a "little blue flame" meant that IL-2 wasn't getting back home, he said.
/S/ MRPLUTO, Captain, VMF-323 "Death Rattlers"
P.S. If anyone has noticed that this is true in AH, please let us know!
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