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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GtoRA2 on January 14, 2004, 02:02:54 PM
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Rude scumbag parents and their dirty little brats.
What the hell is wrong with parents today?
So I am sitting in a restaurant, eating my shrimp Scampi when a little brat throws a shrimp tail and it lands on my table, I turn and give the parents the patented look of death and they calm the little **** down, but he acts up again. He is two maybe. He runs around bugging other people at other tables. He screams, throws things pounds on the walls and makes a total pain out of himself. What do the parents do? Not a damn thing worth mentioning..
Basically the typical
“shssss, stop that” But he starts right up again. This kid needed to be taken out to the car and spanked or his parent should not have brought him to the restaurant.
Why do parents bring there little brats to places where they can ruin everyone else’s time? Are they just selfish jerks?
I was not like this when I was a kid, I know this cause I have talked to my mother about it. At two I could sit quietly in a restaurant. Why? Because I feared my father, and what he would do to me.
Fearing ones parents is not a bad thing.
I grew up fine.
Are any of you one of those parents?
Justify why you ruin everyone else’s night by bringing your brats to dinner or a movie?
I was in a restaurant one time and watched a 4 year old steel a pacifier out of a new born’s mouth. The mother did not do anything until the other kid’s mother threw a fit. They did not know each other. The mother of the four year old watched her little **** do it, then went right on arguing with the other worthless ******* at the table over the bill.
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I think it's called Modern Parenthood or something like that. Some of my friends are like that ... can't stand it either.
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Ask for the manager and explain the situation.
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Once he goes on Ritalin everything will be OK.
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yep, wait til those kids have kids ...
most of this behavior is a cry for attention, attention the parents do not give proper amounts of for one reason or another.
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Spanking isn't necessarily the answer.
This child misbehaves because he has indulgent parents who do not define the boundaries and then absolutely refuse to compromise.
The punishment is secondary. First the parents must expect the child to behave. If they don't, the child will not.
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Sandy
I am not saying spanking is the only way to go. I was only spanked one or two times I can remember. I behavied out of fear.
Frankly I think modern parents spend far to much time being concerned about there kids liking them instead of teaching them manors.
You are right about boundries, You kids should just KNOW there are things they can not do, if you dont want to spank them then a time out in the corner for 45 minutes or take away all the polamon cards ETC.....
I am so tired of being around these people and their kids, some unlucky parent is going to get it both barrels one of these days, the people from a few nights ago came close... but my GF held me back.
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Desensitization.
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Two words
Cattle
Prod
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Frankly I think modern parents spend far to much time being concerned about there kids liking them instead of teaching them manors.
I'm not necessarily up to speed on what a "modern" parent is. My own children are 15 and 13 and I've never worried about whether my children liked me or not.
I'm not so sure that this sort of relationship is exclusive to "modern" parents. It's not a new kind of parental disfunction.
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When i was i kid i got vodka shots in my hot milk...
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Well, being the dad of a 19 month old very high energy little boy, here are some rules in our family:
1. We do not take him to restaurants where little kids are expected to be. Fast food joints are OK..."Sit down" restaurants are not.
2. We do not let him run around like a caveman. Not only is he always in sight, but he is always within a step or two of me or more wife when we are out.
3. He does not go to movies other than something that is age appropriate.
The reality is that too many parents believe that once the kid is out of the house then their parenting responsibilities stop, i.e., the kid can do as he pleases since he is not at home, and other people are just expected to tolerate it. It's not the kid's fault (he's acting like a kid), it's the parenting (or lack thereof). My theory with parents like this is that they are the same people who:
1. Change lanes without signalling.
2. Stop at the bottom or top of escalators.
3. Walk through doors without even bothering to check to see if someone if following through behind them.
4. When walking down the street, and a person is approaching them from the other direction, they make no effort to get out of the other person's way but instead deliver a shoulder check.
In short...people who have absolutely no idea (or don't care) that other people live and work around them, and the fact that they bring their kids to places which are not appropriate for kids is merely a reflection of that.
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I agree with sandman. I have had a conversation with all of my kids that ran something like..
"I ain't your pal or your buddy, I am your parent. My job is to make sure you grow up to be good people. A bonus for you is that I love you at the same time."
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I agree with sandman. I have had a conversation with all of my kids that ran something like..
"I ain't your pal or your buddy, I am your parent. My job is to make sure you grow up to be good people. A bonus for you is that I love you at the same time."
Hehe... recently I had a discussion with my son. He basically wanted to know when I would stop considering him to be a child. Easy answer... "When you get out of my house."
Then last night, he was complaining about the size of his bedroom. Same answer really... "If your room was too comfortable, you would never leave."
:D
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You guys sound like you have a handle on it.
Come on, someone on this board has to be a Bad parent....
Justifie why you let your litte **** act like an ape!
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Justifie why you let your litte **** act like an ape!
ok ok ok.
Your money and my money are worth exactly the same at the restaurant... therefore i and my family have the right to act as it pleases.
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I would have asked for a new table, further away from the Ripsnort Family :p
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Well, I agree with all that's been said about teaching kids to behave and expecting good behavior.
That being said, my one-time downstairs neighbor had an experience that was enlightening. She took her 2 yr old daughter to the grocery store where she started misbehaving (not the kid's normal character but just in a bad mood). The mother scolded the child to behave, no difference. She put on the mean mommy face and shook her finger, no difference. She finally reached around and spanked the child. whack! whack!
Parents know that sometimes not even that will work - the child continued to be a pain, crying and yelling. So the mother took the child by the arm and left.
Unbeknownst to her, other patrons saw this horrible behavior of the mother and promptly called Child Services. These guys threatened to take away her child and grilled her and the father over serveral days.
So the next time you see a parent being neglectful of teaching a child expected social behavior, keep in mind that even though you'd like to see some discipline there are others who'd just as readily take the child away from the parents that do.
My personal opinion is that kid doesn't go out until he/she can behave on verbal commands alone.
- sudz
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Lepaul.
That would not have made much difference. This kid was LOUD. hehe
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My personal opinion is that kid doesn't go out until he/she can behave on verbal commands alone.
Like dogs :D
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Sudz
LOL the people who complained prolly had terrible children. I have heard cases like that as well. It shocks me that spanking a kid in public is considered abuse.
It's a load of crappy. Though the women could have avoided it by spaking the kid in the car.
Still Big brother is getting to big for its britches.
Damn libs, its OK to murder a baby before it is born but not OK to spank it after?????:D :D :aok
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This wouldn't be an issue if this were Ancient Sparta.
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Ever see that southpark episode in which everyone has ADD?
I loved the scientist and his experiment with 4 kids.
3 Kids are sitting in their desks bouncing all around, screaming.
Scientist walks up to the first kid. *Smacks him hard* Sit down and study!
Walks up to the second kid. *Smacks her hard* Sit down and study. Girl starts crying. *Smacks her again* Stop crying! Girl stops.
Walks up to third kid. Holds his hand out about to smack him. The kid shuts up.
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A loving hand on the seat of his diaper will do the trick:aok
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I agree with sandman. I have had a conversation with all of my kids that ran something like..
"I ain't your pal or your buddy, I am your parent. My job is to make sure you grow up to be good people. A bonus for you is that I love you at the same time."
couldnt agree with you more MT At first my wife allways had the attitude with her daughter that she allways wanted to be her best friend and be somone she can allways talk to. That....DIDNT WORK....she's almost 5 now and and she's realized parent first friend second.
We also switch off playing good cop bad cop every now and then and that seems to work.
I guess what I"m saying is I want my kids to grow up knowing right from wrong....but when they do wrong I want them to be able to talk to us about it. I know that cant allways happend.
about the resturaunt, We went somwere with family to a nice place once with my then 18 month son. He started getting restless and wanted to get down and run around. Me and my wife took turns taking him outside while he cried. No spanking was nescesary cause we didnt give him the chance to mis-behave, but no one elses dinner was ruined either.
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Little Johnny was a holy terror in school. Drove his teacher to distraction. Eventually the poor woman had a nervous breakdown.
The next day, a new substitute teacher greeted the children as they entered the classroom. A big, muscle-bound, hairy-chested, amazon of a substitute.
As she began to give instructions to prepare the students for class, little Johnny turned to one of his fellow classmates and remarked that the sub was "One big, ugly, loud-mouthed b----!"
Without saying a word, the substitute strode to his desk and slapped the spit out of his mouth. Little Johnny was stunned and speechless.
A few minutes later, the sub began her lesson:
"Now class..." she said, "...in today's lesson we are going to practice using the word 'evidently' in a sentence in order to demonstrate it's proper use. Now, who would like to go first?"
Little Johnny raised his hand.
"Okay Johnny you may go first since you raised your hand so politely."
"May I ask a question first?" tremulously queried little Johnny.
"Why of course."
"Do farts have lumps" asked little Johnny.
"Why, no, I don't think so." responded the shocked sub.
"Well..." said little Johnny..."EVIDENTLY you've slapped the s--- out of me."
Shuckins
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Originally posted by -sudz-
Well, I agree with all that's been said about teaching kids to behave and expecting good behavior.
That being said, my one-time downstairs neighbor had an experience that was enlightening. She took her 2 yr old daughter to the grocery store where she started misbehaving (not the kid's normal character but just in a bad mood). The mother scolded the child to behave, no difference. She put on the mean mommy face and shook her finger, no difference. She finally reached around and spanked the child. whack! whack!
Parents know that sometimes not even that will work - the child continued to be a pain, crying and yelling. So the mother took the child by the arm and left.
Unbeknownst to her, other patrons saw this horrible behavior of the mother and promptly called Child Services. These guys threatened to take away her child and grilled her and the father over serveral days.
So the next time you see a parent being neglectful of teaching a child expected social behavior, keep in mind that even though you'd like to see some discipline there are others who'd just as readily take the child away from the parents that do.
My personal opinion is that kid doesn't go out until he/she can behave on verbal commands alone.
- sudz
That's sad that people cannot tell the difference between discipline and abuse. Explains a lot about the growing generation ...
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Originally posted by Stoned Gecko
That's sad that people cannot tell the difference between discipline and abuse. Explains a lot about the growing generation ...
Yup that's why you allways take the kids to the bathroom to beat there ass's. Wait till they stop crying than continue shopping. If they act up again leave the groceries and the car and go home. Tell the kid (depending on age) that they are grounded...no tv...no cartoons...no playing outside cause of their behavior and go shopping at a later date.
Some people are idiots and think that spanking is abuse and some people are idiots and think that spanking is absolutly necsesary all the time.
the good parents find the middle ground....the bad parents kid's have shrinks by the time their 20
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Sudz, my sister had a similar experience. While returning from vacation they stopped at an outlet mall in Louisiana to do some shopping. My 3 year old neice began acting up and was scolded. The scolding had no effect as my neice escallated to a full blown tantrum. My sister promptly busted her prettythang and they left the mall. When they were getting into their car in the parking lot a Police Officer came screeching up with lights flashing. Seems Mall Security called and said she was abusing the child in public. (This was shortly after the woman in Indiana was videotaped punching her child in a parking lot.) It turned into a full blown ordeal that lasted 2 hours while the Police ran background checks, searched the car, searched my sister and threatened to remove my neice from my sister's custody. All from her spanking a 3 year old in public. What was learned from this? My neice now has the idea planted in her head she can act up in public, if she gets spanked they will take her mother to jail.
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Originally posted by rpm371
Sudz, my sister had a similar experience. While returning from vacation they stopped at an outlet mall in Louisiana to do some shopping. My 3 year old neice began acting up and was scolded. The scolding had no effect as my neice escallated to a full blown tantrum. My sister promptly busted her prettythang and they left the mall. When they were getting into their car in the parking lot a Police Officer came screeching up with lights flashing. Seems Mall Security called and said she was abusing the child in public. (This was shortly after the woman in Indiana was videotaped punching her child in a parking lot.) It turned into a full blown ordeal that lasted 2 hours while the Police ran background checks, searched the car, searched my sister and threatened to remove my neice from my sister's custody. All from her spanking a 3 year old in public. What was learned from this? My neice now has the idea planted in her head she can act up in public, if she gets spanked they will take her mother to jail.
This parenting failure occurred long before the trip to the mall. Boundaries must be set and discipline (non-corporal IMHO) applied without compromise ever. Beating your kids isn't the magic tonic for well behaved children. It goes much deeper than that.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Spanking isn't necessarily the answer.
This child misbehaves because he has indulgent parents who do not define the boundaries and then absolutely refuse to compromise.
The punishment is secondary. First the parents must expect the child to behave. If they don't, the child will not.
Well said, thats the approach my wife and I have taken and it works well.
My dad had an different method, I grew up on a farm and even when I was little, the more things I did wrong, the more work I had to do, I did a lot of work :D
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
This parenting failure occurred long before the trip to the mall. Boundaries must be set and discipline (non-corporal IMHO) applied without compromise ever. Beating your kids isn't the magic tonic for well behaved children. It goes much deeper than that.
There is a HUGE difference between beating a child and giving a child a spanking. I personally feel she has failed to apply enough of a spanking to get the proper result.
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Originally posted by rpm371
There is a HUGE difference between beating a child and giving a child a spanking. I personally feel she has failed to apply enough of a spanking to get the proper result.
In other words, you can't properly raise a child without hitting them. I get it.
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My parents didn't spank me too often. Maybe a couple times. I was a second child. My brother graduated from HS the year I was born...so he might have gotten some spankings when he was little. By the time I came around, my folks were well established marriage wise, and by the time I was 5 or so I knew my big brother was working for NASA, and I looked up to him too. I was well behaved 'cause I wanted both my Dad and brother to be proud of me. If my Dad said he was disappointed in me, that was discipline enough. This was back in the early 60s.
I remember one time I almost got a spanking, well, a couple times. The first time was when I was about 5, I brought one of the neighbor's cats into the garage ( this was about the time I was organizing pet shows for the neighborhood kids.) I wanted a pet so bad, I figgured I'd just sequester one of the neighbor's cats.
I was in the garage with the cat, when my dad opened the door and saw the cat about the same time the cat saw my dad. The cat was startled. All hell broke loose, the cat being on a shelf near a window, slipped trying to get away, and managed to wedge himself between the window and the shelf. The cat was holding onto the shelf with his forearms, and kicking over mason jars full of nails, nuts, bolts, screws, onto the concrete floor with his legs, trying desperately to gain some purchase and make tracks.
I looked up at my dad... and he told me years later, he was gonna spank me. But the look on my face, and the sight of that cat kicking over stuff, was so funny he busted out laughing. We both had a good laugh.
The other time was when I was scared to go under the house with him to check on the pipes. Was a bit older then, about 8 or so. Dad was abit upset at first because he thought I just didn't want to help him. This was the only time in my life I recall seeing him upset. He later realized I was truly scared. Don't think he woulda spanked me for that...but I knew he was disappointed. The crawlspace was dark, and I had been watching those Scifi movies about giant spiders. He later told me, when I was grown up, that he had no idea I was terrified to go under the house. He did allay my fear about spiders, and after that I practically lived under there.:)
Thing about it is, neither of my parents ever denigrated me or put me down in any way. Never called me stupid or such.
Les
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Originally posted by Mathman
This wouldn't be an issue if this were Ancient Sparta.
Maybe, but you'll be pretty sore in the morning:lol
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Our son is now 17, but when he was 2, 3, 4, 5 yrs old and we were in a sit-down eating establishment (can't spell resterant, retraurent...ah hell) he was nearly always well-behaved. Why? Because at the first incidence of misbehavior he and I would go outside "for a little talk". During those occasions I would sometimes spank him, or just give a sucinct (sp?) explanation of how things were going to progress from that point on. It only required several of those "little talks" to pretty much put a stop to that kind of annoying behavior. More times than not, we got looks and nods of approval from people around us when that happened. He's turned out to be a pretty good kid. Don't get me wrong, though: we're pretty tolerant of young children's behavior. They have to be able to express themselves, to a certain point. But some behavior is certainly unacceptable whether in public or in private, and it's the parents' responsibility to point it out to the kiddo bring it to a screeching halt.
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My solution is pushups.......
my 14 year old is the best in his school... practice works, but be warned forced exersice is officaly corpral punishment too.
Gunns
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Originally posted by Stoned Gecko
That's sad that people cannot tell the difference between discipline and abuse. Explains a lot about the growing generation ...
So true!! And your correct sad....
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Originally posted by 1K0N
So true!! And your correct sad....
It's not true at all... Spanking isn't discipline. It's punishment. The discipline begins with the parents that all too often fail to set the rules and then enforce them. That's the discipline. If a child lacks it, you can bet his/her parents do as well.
If you want to hit your kids, go right ahead but I consider it a weak and all too often emotional response. I think it displays a lack of control and sets a poor example for the children when the final solution is a violent one. Argue all you want about whether or not spanking is violence or even abuse, but the harsh truth of it is that you're inflicting pain to make your point. There are other solutions.
Don't get me wrong. You just might be an effective parent even if you do hit your kids, but I'll argue that you can be equally (if not more) effective without doing so.
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I have two teenage children, both here at home.
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i have no kids of my own, but growing up i was scared chitless of my dads rath , he only had to get nasty a few times and i learned that even if i didnt get the disipline on the spot , it was waiting at home , and he had a damn good memory lol. i see kids that have no respect for themselves , nevermind other people. they are the sweetheart bags that cut in lines , steal parking spots, let a door slam on a person behind them , and drive by a stranded women on the side of the freeway. about parents that worry about their kids liking them or not, mine didnt care at the time , and guess what their my best friends now ... my 2 cents
38maw