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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: majic on January 14, 2004, 11:16:51 PM
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A post by doobs in another thread got me wondering. What would ol' Ronny have done if faced with 9-11 or something similar? Discuss.
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Nukem all.
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Invade Afghanistan. That answer is so easy even you could have been President after 911.
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he wouldnt have bothered with getting approval (pres can act for 90 days without congress)
he woulda gone into afghanistan swinging rambo style.
unfortunatly russia was still there invading afgh. so it would have been an international incident. russia would have counter-attacked and we wouldnt be here today.
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Originally posted by majic
A post by doobs in another thread got me wondering. What would ol' Ronny have done if faced with 9-11 or something similar? Discuss.
A better question is : what would Carter have done. Carter would probably have formed a blue ribbon comission to investigate why the US caused 911.
p.s. I thought Rosie ODonnel was the first case of mad cow in the US
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Nancy would've got out the big stick...poked him till he woke up...consultated the psychic's....
(http://www.lambie-nairn.com/uploads/images/121337055.jpg)
and then told Ronnie to invade Grenada!
Tronsky
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Yeah, Nancy won the cold war.
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Originally posted by -tronski-
Nancy would've got out the big stick...poked him till he woke up...consultated the psychic's....
(http://www.lambie-nairn.com/uploads/images/121337055.jpg)
and then told Ronnie to invade Grenada!
Tronsky
I heard that Austrailia was going to invade Grenada to protect their citizens there, but suddenly realized they didn't have a chance in hell to be victorious.
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Zmeg and JB73 probably said it best. I have no doubt nukes would have been used. It would have been a very delicate situation with the Russians, seeing how they were right there. Something would have to be worked out fast.
I bet 'ol Ronnie could have done it too...gain the trust and cooperation of the Russians. The terrorists would not have lasted long, especially OBL.
It certainly would have been a strange moment in history if that happened, but it did happen to a certain extent during WWII, with Russia as allies.
A 9-11 attack when Reagan was president would have brought swift retaliation, and like JB said, would have been a worldwide confrontation, if not for the respect the Russians had for him and his advisors.
Les
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He would have forgot.
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australia did invade granada but they lost. We kept it out of the news.
lazs
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Originally posted by Godzilla
I heard that Austrailia was going to invade Grenada to protect their citizens there, but suddenly realized they didn't have a chance in hell to be victorious.
Not so...our PM's basic strategem is now to blindly follow the americans into every conflict, and throw dollars stupidly into the son of starwars..so we're starting to get plenty of practise of blasting small countries whose armies consist of 3 Bolivians and a small donkey...
Not that there are any Australians in Grenada...but hell...since when was there any need for legitimate reasons anymore? The Liberals can go on TV and just say that Donkey could launch an attack in 45 mins, and off go the SAS!!!
Tronsky
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by 9/12 he wouldn't have been sure if he remembers what happened on 9/11.
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You see this is funny beacuse he is suffering from Alzheimers and is practically on his deathbed!!! :rolleyes:
Leftistst degenerates only hate reagan because he killed their dear old USSR wonderland.
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actually it has nothing to do with his Alzhiemers. if you where a bit older you might remember that as his response to questions involving the Iran/contra issue.
when asked about meetings where the issue was discussed he didn't even have the balls to risk getting caught in the outright lie of saying he doesn''t remember. he said he "didn't know if he remembered"
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I know about that, still I feel some people do it about the alzheimers too because they hate him so much.
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not likely from me, my 82 year old father has Alzhiemers.
BTW- did reagan end comunism? the same people who claim he did are ussually the same ones who say it is a impractical form of gov't and was doomed to fail. so which is it? was comunism great and strong but old ronny ray-gun put an end to that dirty menace. or was it doomed for failure and he just happened to be in office when it happened, and took credit for it?
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He forced their hand, they couldnt keep up with USA militarily and feed their people or privide them consumer goods.
For example imagine if Carter had won in 80, do you honestly think a pacifist like him would have expanded the military as much as Reagan?
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I'm a bit older Capt. Apathy and I remember all that leftist talk about Iran-Contra, trying to make our President look bad. But they couldn't catch Ronnie, could they? You know why? Because his credentials were and are, and stand to this day, impeccable.
If Ronald Reagan said he didn't know about it, he probably didn't. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it, Capt. Apathy.
I am tired of hearing about Iran-Contra, which in my opinion is nothing more than a leftist grabbing, feeble attempt at discrediting one of the greatest presidents of the United States.
Les
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But they couldn't catch Ronnie, could they? You know why?
because he was a good liar?
it seemed a clear cut issue to me.
either he knew and was un-fit for office, or he didn't know what his people where doing and was un-fit for office.
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"...BTW- did reagan end comunism? ".
Yes. If you hear different from any of the people that actually lived there, don't believe them. They don't know what they are talking about.
yowser
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if Clinton or Gore had been pres during 9/11, they'd be gettin happy in the Oval Office while people die rather than do their duty as presidents.
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If Reagan is a liar, then I suppose you know the truth.:p
Ahhhh, so it's clear cut to you heh?:D And unfit for office too.
Well, if you say so. Everyone is entitled to his opinion.
We have to agree to disagree.
Les
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Originally posted by Nordalin
if Clinton or Gore had been pres during 9/11, they'd be gettin happy in the Oval Office while people die rather than do their duty as presidents.
Cmon thats not fair. While I dont think Gore would have been very decisive after a 911 I dont think he would do nothing.
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but neither would have pursued the terrorists nearly as aggressively as Bush. Bush isn't a great president, but he's a damn good one :)
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Originally posted by Nordalin
but neither would have pursued the terrorists nearly as aggressively as Bush. Bush isn't a great president, but he's a damn good one :)
ya.. Im glad we have rounded up all the terrorist.. OBL has been caught and our country color is 'Green' on the Alert scale.. All safe and sound!
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Originally posted by kappa
ya.. Im glad we have rounded up all the terrorist.. OBL has been caught and our country color is 'Green' on the Alert scale.. All safe and sound!
you don't want much do you ... please tell me who who are voting for in Nov who will accomplish ur list to ur satisfaction..
ditto what Les said.
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Originally posted by Leslie
A 9-11 attack when Reagan was president would have brought swift retaliation, and like JB said, would have been a worldwide confrontation, if not for the respect the Russians had for him and his advisors.
After I have heard about 09-11 and when i realised what really hapened - my first thought was "they will attack us"... I was so afraid I started to look for re-entry traces in the sky...
If such a tragedy could happen in Reagan times - it could mean a real opportunity for our countries to cooperate. Cooperate honestly, better then during WWII, not like now when US and their allies support terrorists who attack Russia, and even provide military aid for the countries who host them.
We were the first country to offer asistance in "war on terrorism", we backed up Northern Alliance and provided 100% of combat supplies and advisors to them, and I expected that the "war on terrorism" will be unconditional. But, as usual, we soon discovered that some terrorists are better then others. :rolleyes:
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Well, as much as I liked him, he never retaliated for the 1983 Beruit bombing that killed over 200 Marines. That sent a message to the Arab world that has taken a long time to correct.
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a pacifist like him
that pacifist graduated from the Naval Academy and served in WW2. McGovern flew B-24s out of Italy too. so there
I think it is funny that people who cant even carry water for people like this want to call insult their patriotism or their manhood or whatever by saying they dont want to fight.
The PC term for them, I believe is CHICKENHAWKS.
Always ready to let someone else go to war and do the bleeding.
strk
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Originally posted by majic
What would ol' Ronny have done if faced with 9-11 or something similar? Discuss.
Have Nancy call the astrologer...
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
BTW- did reagan end comunism?
Cuba and China know the answer to that riddle.
As far as Bush and his administration aggresively pursuing terrorists(not directed at you Apathy), he seems to have skipped over several primary candidate countries and gone straight to a tertiary (if it can even be called that) country. If you call that aggresive, then you must believe a Gerbil is the optimal attack dog.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Cuba and China know the answer to that riddle.
As far as Bush and his administration aggresively pursuing terrorists(not directed at you Apathy), he seems to have skipped over several primary candidate countries and gone straight to a tertiary (if it can even be called that) country. If you call that aggresive, then you must believe a Gerbil is the optimal attack dog.
-SW
Love the analogy... :)
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"Well, as much as I liked him, he never retaliated for the 1983 Beruit bombing that killed over 200 Marines. That sent a message to the Arab world that has taken a long time to correct."
Bingo! And that's the historical truth.
All of the the rest being proposed by a few is shallow conjecture about what Ronnie would "if" ......
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Who insulted Carter's patriotism? Is it your belief that pacifists are unpatriotic?
And in the context of the cold war Carter was a pacifist, unlike reagan or kennedy for example.
Your dislike for me cannot change the truth of that statement.
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
BTW- did reagan end comunism? the same people who claim he did are ussually the same ones who say it is a impractical form of gov't and was doomed to fail. so which is it? was comunism great and strong but old ronny ray-gun put an end to that dirty menace. or was it doomed for failure and he just happened to be in office when it happened, and took credit for it?
When GORBACHEV was appointed secretary general in 1985, the USSR could no longer keep up financing the arms race (accelerated, in a bluff, by the Reagan administration) so, in summary, he certainly had an influence on the historical event, much to your demise I'm sure.
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Ripsnort: When GORBACHEV was appointed secretary general in 1985, the USSR could no longer keep up financing the arms race (accelerated, in a bluff, by the Reagan administration)
That is more of a western legend than the real case. Curiously, the afghan peasants have a similar legend that it was them who destroyed the Soviet Union.
There is no basis for believing that Soviet Union accelerated the arms race at all, let alone beyong its ability to survive. Cold War was not a real war - just an armed standoff. Soviet Army was run on the cheap and in my personal opinion it would have proved totally inadequate in a real conflict.
Most of the soviet reality, including the army, was a total fake.
Soviet Union was slowly degrading economically as any socialist country does but it could have continued doing so for many more decades if Gorbachev did not try his policy changes. I am pretty sure that Reagan or foreign politics was the last thing on his mind.
If anything, the Reagan's embargoes and saber-rattling caused more support for the communist government from the population - most of whom believed that the Berlin Wall was a good thing protecting socialist Germany from incursions.
It was only after the Glasnost - which was nothing more than liberalisation of the media - that people realised that NATO is not planning to attack their country. That seriously weakened their support for the party government.
As Goering said, "The people can always be brought to the bidding of leaders. That's easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked..."
As for what would Reagan has done after 9/11, if we take the Lebanon experience as a rough guide, he would have bombed some village allegedely full of terrorists and then withdrawn the US troops from Saudi Arabia like OBL requested and that would have been the end of it.
That is of course if he did not withdraw the troops from SA after the first WTC bombing or the Cole bombing.
miko