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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Urchin on January 15, 2004, 08:04:18 PM
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Flying around today, I think it was the least "diverse" I've ever seen AH. I saw maybe 5 planes in 2 hours that weren't a spit/nik/la7/p51. So, I figured I'd run the stats through for last tour and see what came up. I used to do this all the time, but I deleted all the old stuff I had, so I couldn't tell you if the trend towards consolidation is getting "worse" or "better". These are different from MiniD's stats, because I take all the planes with the exception of the level bombers and total the kills, then I just take every fighter (and attack plane) and work out the percentages.
total 511915
spits = 96,207 (18.79%)
spit5 + seafire = 44,333 (8.66%)
spit9 = 51,029 (9.97%)
N1K2 = 46,021 (9%)
La7 = 47,377 (9.25%)
P-51D = 41,139 (8.04%)
"Big 4" total = 230,744 (45.07%)
Others more than 10,000
109G10 = 17,618 (3.44%)
F4U-1C = 11,381 (2.22%)
F4U-1D = 16,952 (3.31%)
190D9 = 17584 (3.43%)
F6F = 19,920 (3.89%)
Hurri2c= 13,930 (2.72%)
Yak-9U = 10,821 (2.11%)
P-38L = 23,734 (4.64%)
Tiffie = 27,764 (5.42%)
Grand total = 58 planes
"Big 4": 45.07%
Suicide twins : 10.06% (55.13%)
next 7 : 21.12% (76.25%)
other 45 : 23.75%
USAAF total (A20,P38,P-51,P-47,P-40)
90,049 (17.59%)
Minus P-51D : 48,910 (9.55%)
USN total (F4F/FM2, F6F, F4U, TBM, SBD)
62,743 (12.26%)
RAF total (spit, hurri, tiff, temp, boston)
142,137 (27.76%)
IJN/IJA total (ki61, a6m, nik, d3a, b5n)
57,806 (11.29%)
minus nik: 11,785 (2.3%)
USSR total (la5,la7, yak, il2)
71,335 (13.93%)
minus la7 : 23,958 (4.68%)
LW total (190, 109, 110, ju87, 163, 262)
70,432 (13.76%)
kills scored by Hispano planes : 179,860 (35.13%)
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Lol, suicide twins. :)
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Another disquised P51D (Uber .50cal)/La7 whine? I think so.
I shall highjack the thread then.
I like the pony. I will fly the pony the way I want to. I will kill what I want to in the way I want to. I will land my kills.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_178_1074219541.jpg)
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Nah, I figured I'd just post the stats and let you all decide what I was whining about.
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Oooooo, looky, MetaTron found a way to brag!!!!
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By the way, to respond to your "hijack".. nice K/D. Even nicer K/T and K/S... 4 kills an hour? Is it that hard to find AFK climbers?
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BTW Urchin,
Stay away from my quad Hispano bird!!!!!
:p
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So Urchin what would be acceptable for a fan of RAF a/c to fly?
Lets see...
Well it seems spits are out of the question.
What about Hurris? Well that hurri IIc has hispanos so better not fly that.... Hurri I and Hurri 2D seem ok though.
Tiffies (and it's cousin).... out of the question with it's uber hispanos and deck speed.
The mossie- same as above minus the deck speed.
Well...looks like i'll be limited to the Bosten for dogfighting. Anything to keep you happy Urchin.:D
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Well the crap soft eating the ghost out from my box..
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Originally posted by MetaTron
Another disquised P51D (Uber .50cal)/La7 whine? I think so.
I shall highjack the thread then.
I like the pony. I will fly the pony the way I want to. I will kill what I want to in the way I want to. I will land my kills.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_178_1074219541.jpg)
Out of a combined 75 sorties in attack and fighters, Metatron has killed 80 aircraft. Just putting a little perspective on those numbers.
The rest of the kills are all against GV's and PTs
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Originally posted by moot
Well the crap soft eating the ghost out from my box..
:D
Wonder what minus is up to these days.
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Originally posted by thrila
So Urchin what would be acceptable for a fan of RAF a/c to fly?
Lets see...
Well it seems spits are out of the question.
What about Hurris? Well that hurri IIc has hispanos so better not fly that.... Hurri I and Hurri 2D seem ok though.
Tiffies (and it's cousin).... out of the question with it's uber hispanos and deck speed.
The mossie- same as above minus the deck speed.
Well...looks like i'll be limited to the Bosten for dogfighting. Anything to keep you happy Urchin.:D
Oh, it isn't up to me. I was just posting the numbers is all. The good news is you aren't the only "die hard" RAF fan, you've got 20% of the server that won't fly anything else.
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Isn't it closer to 28%?
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They're running about the same % as they always do.
Fighter vs Fighter stats (http://www.dbstaines.com/tourstats/FvFstats.htm)
MiniD
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so... it looks like about 80% or so of the players will only fly the very fastest planes. 100% of those who care about score or rank will do it by flying the fastest planes...
no wonder the game gets boring and a lot of guys want the fields farther about... can't catch people napping on those fun maps.
lazs
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So does Metavoss or Vossatron sound better?
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partial to "metavoss" or.... "little fellow".
lazs
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I have always liked you very much Urchin. I have always tried to treat you with the respact that I believe you deserve. We have spent quite a bit of time together in the DA. We have flown in squads together. That being said.....
I dont understand why you continue to participate in this sim if it makes you so unhappy. Im not really sure what your intent was in this particular thread. However your obvious disgust with pilots in the MA and with the game in general makes me wonder what exactly you are trying to accomplish with this and other threads and your complaining on ch 1.
You were out of the game on a break for a while and since your return you seem to be more disgusted with the game than ever. I dunno mabye I just notice it more latley or something. Mabye you have always felt this way. Either way .... why keep playing? I mean if it pisses you off that much just lay it down man.
Im not trying to flame you at all man. I hope it doesnt come off that way. I guess I just dont understand. Or mabye I just misenturprate (sp?) your rantings.
I hope you cheer up and just have some fun shooting the red planes. :aok
Oh yeah, MetaVoss......... No one cares about your stats. Stop looking for any excuse to post them. Its not impressive.
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Originally posted by Nomak
Oh yeah, MetaVoss......... No one cares about your stats. Stop looking for any excuse to post them. Its not impressive.
I disagree. I find this
Out of a combined 75 sorties in attack and fighters, Metatron has killed 80 aircraft. Just putting a little perspective on those numbers.
The rest of the kills are all against GV's and PTs
And this, if true,
By the way, to respond to your "hijack".. nice K/D. Even nicer K/T and K/S... 4 kills an hour?
to be interesting stats.
If that's all correct, it pretty much defines the style of play.
Not that there's anything wrong with timidity, of course. To each their own. Personally, I'd die of boredom in that situation but I realize others thrive on that sort of "excitement".
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Originally posted by Toad
Not that there's anything wrong with timidity, of course. To each their own. Personally, I'd die of boredom in that situation but I realize others thrive on that sort of "excitement".
But are you proud enough of how you fly to post misleading stats to demonstrate your greatness to everyone?
It's interesting to note that the Scorpion King often posts pictures of his total kills in planes but rarely provides films. Now I know why.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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MetaTron has raised spawn camping in a Tiger to an art form.
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Originally posted by MetaTron
I like the pony. I will fly the pony the way I want to. I will kill what I want to in the way I want to. I will land my kills.
Their inability to understand is also a result of their different belief system, and the influence of Satan's subtle powers on them.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Flying around today, I think it was the least "diverse" I've ever Others more than 10,000
109G10 = 17,618 (3.44%)
F4U-1C = 11,381 (2.22%)
F4U-1D = 16,952 (3.31%)
190D9 = 17584 (3.43%)
F6F = 19,920 (3.89%)
Hurri2c= 13,930 (2.72%)
Yak-9U = 10,821 (2.11%)
P-38L = 23,734 (4.64%)
Tiffie = 27,764 (5.42%)
LW total (190, 109, 110, ju87, 163, 262)
70,432 (13.76%)
Maybe my math is bad, but if the G10 and D9 equal about 7% of the LW total, then the other models are the rest of the 13.76%? If that's true, then it might be time for me to dust off my 190A8 and skew those numbers.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Scorpion King
I beleve this is the best example of what is meant by "SHACK!"
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
But are you proud enough of how you fly to post misleading stats to demonstrate your greatness to everyone?
-- Todd/Leviathn
Levi, "You talking to me?"
I don't think I've ever presumed to greatness. Mediocrity, yes.
I'm not sure the stats I quoted from other posts.. the small number of aircraft engaged and killed, the somewhat low K/T... are misleading.
If 75 aircraft sorties results in 80 aircraft kills and the overall rate is ~ 4 kills/hour, what's misleading? He's not engaging aircraft very often in the course of getting 4 kills/hour.
But you're the stats guy; enlighten me.
I just said that sort of play defines timidity to me and it would bore me to tears. Just my opinion; I play Aces High to fly and to fight other aircraft. YMMV.
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Toad,
It was a dig at voss, not you.
the scorpian king obviously is willing "to post misleading stats to demonstrate his greatness to everyone".
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Urchin, you know this is not new, it has been this way since tour1, spits substituted F4U1C as number 1 and later La7 entered into the "four", the rest is the same. Take also into consideration that you are counting the achieved kills, but sorties instead kills are the real usage indicator. You can achieve 0 or more kills per sortie, but you can die only once so deaths would be a better statistic instead kills, and probably counting deaths the overal usage would result even more umbalanced.
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so... it looks like about 80% or so of the players will only fly the very fastest planes. 100% of those who care about score or rank will do it by flying the fastest planes...
no wonder the game gets boring and a lot of guys want the fields farther about... can't catch people napping on those fun maps.
10% is the magic number for determining overusage(which, is not necessarily uberusage :) ).
4 planes constitute 40% of the MA.
Add the two most popular jabo planes and it's six planes constitue 50% of MA.
In the case of the ol' Chog which saw 17~23% usage during the free tours, 10% of it was fighter usage, 5% carrier usage, and 5% for ground-based jabo duties.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
10% is the magic number for determining overusage
Really? Is that in the AH help guide somewhere?
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Hey, Toad... what Furious said.
You dope. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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You're as cruel as Laz!
Sorry, read it to fast.
Meanie!
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thrila, easy answer: You are left with the Spitfire MK1 :D
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Originally posted by gofaster
MetaTron has raised spawn camping in a Tiger to an art form.
actually we just followed Fester's example...and I spawn camp way more then MT does:aok
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Whatever Urchin's motive, I find stats like these interesting. Thanks for posting them.
eskimo
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It's odd how much "perception" this is. It really boils down to what group of people you happen to be fighting that day... or for most of the week. If you fight cv to base battles or if you fight high alt base defense... or even base attack.
The numbers have stayed pretty consistant. The LW planes are actually a little lower than average this tour, with a slight increase in the usage of Russian planes (esp the Yak-9u).
Scroll over on my fighter vs fighter stats (http://www.dbstaines.com/tourstats/FvFstats.htm)... I break them down by country (since tour 39).
MiniD
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Mini, is it possible to break the stats down by MA side? I.E. Bish, Rooks, Knights? I've always wondered if the three sides flew different planes (always seems the same to me, but some folks swear by it).
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Originally posted by Urchin
Mini, is it possible to break the stats down by MA side? I.E. Bish, Rooks, Knights? I've always wondered if the three sides flew different planes (always seems the same to me, but some folks swear by it).
No, if you try you get a "coming soon" return.
It would be nice if they just enabled this for "all models" with a single report generated once a day similar to the "all models vs all models" current setup.
MiniD
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Who cares......:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Mini D
No, if you try you get a "coming soon" return.
It would be nice if they just enabled this for "all models" with a single report generated once a day similar to the "all models vs all models" current setup.
MiniD
That would be useful. Our squad was going make a policy of switching to whatever country had the low numbers at the end of a tour, but then realized we couldn't figure that out.
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I stick it in there for a couple reasons. First, the icon says "spit" (same reason I stick the seafire in the "spit" category). Second, for most people they are for all intents and purposes the same plane. An La7 going against any spit fights the same way, it has the same advantages and disadvantages over both. In some cases, a plane will have an advantage over a spit 5 that disappears when it faces a spit 9, but that it fairly rare.
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No, they aren't the same, but they are very very similar in the "grand scheme" of the planeset. Most planes are have a higher top speed, most planes don't turn as well. The spit 9 has a huge advantage over the Spit 5 in acceleration and climb rate, but that is the biggest difference, in my opinion.
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Originally posted by ygsmilo
So does Metavoss or Vossatron sound better?
Conman has a better ring to it.
ack-ack
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Urchin,
I was comenting to my roommate the other night on that very thing. The Spit IX feels very much like an upengined Spit V and the Seafire is, for all intents and purposes, a Spit V. Then you have the Spit I and Spit XIV, both of which feel very different from the Spit IX/Spit V/Sea II.
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Being a P-40 flier, there's a big difference between the spit V and IX. A P-40 actually stands a chance against a Spit IX that doesn't know how to use his speed advantage properly. The P-40 will actually out turn it. It will not do anything better than the Spit V.
It's kinda odd how perspectives on planes vary based on what you fly. I don't find the La-7 particularly bothersome when I fly the P-40 or F6F. It is a nightmare to fight when flying an F4u. When flying the P-40, the early war rides are the toughest. Zekes, hurricanes and SpitV/Seafires are very difficult to compete with.
MiniD
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Mini D,
That is absolutely true. Flying the Mossie I don't fear Spit IXs or N1K2s, but La-7s = death.
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Originally posted by Godzilla
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_178_1074219541.jpg)
Out of a combined 75 sorties in attack and fighters, Metatron has killed 80 aircraft. Just putting a little perspective on those numbers.
The rest of the kills are all against GV's and PTs
Uhh...I thought that GV and PT kills didn't show up in the "Kills In" column. :confused:
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Sure they do... on the stats page. The only place GV and PT kills don't show up is on the score page under the "fighter" category. If you were on a fighter sortie, those kills were never tallied by the score page.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Godzilla
Out of a combined 75 sorties in attack and fighters, Metatron has killed 80 aircraft. Just putting a little perspective on those numbers.
Actually... only 28 of 181 P-51 kills were against fighters.
MiniD