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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Citabria on January 16, 2004, 10:52:39 AM
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B24
B25
B29
some would argue against more american daylight bombers but the truth is they were built to survive in daylight attacks.
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B-10 :D
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Originally posted by frank3
B-10 :D
Let's B-10 not...........hahahaha.
Just kidding.;)
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(http://www.multied.com/aviation/photos/p51.gif)
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Oh man I wonder how people made those beautifull formations....It doesn't seem to be possible in h2h...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
(http://www.multied.com/aviation/photos/p51.gif)
wonder what the pudknocker did to get the B-Pony and get relegated to tail end charlie?
And as for Daylight bombers that could survive in the MA, what about this beauty?
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/downloads/gallery/105mosquitoiv800.jpg)
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Maybe this one might survive?
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_68_1074281648.jpg)
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that pic of the b-24 is sweet :eek: And yes, we do need B-24's in AH!!!!
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Originally posted by Citabria
B24
B25
B29
some would argue against more american daylight bombers but the truth is they were built to survive in daylight attacks.
B24
B25
B29 no
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(http://www.comandosupremo.com/Piaggio108.jpg)
Piaggio P.108 Heavy Bomber
But the next ah bomber (2 eng) should be the Pe2 and a pe3 fighter variant......
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He 177 is another,Emily is another, Coranado is yet another,TU-2, is another.....
I realy dont think adding yet another Allied bomber is going to realy help or Hurt except in the case of Event's or the CT, it would Help to have their time spent on somthing other than yet another Allied Buff at preset.
But hey were going on a long prettythang time now without any new plane so as a man dying of thirst I dont think I would realy care how dirty the water I was given was, it would nice if it were clean and clear but I would settle for some more of the ushual Allied High Brand Texas prary water.
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What's wrong with the Il4?
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Instead of adding more bombers right now, how about being able to add more gunners to the bombers that have more then one turret/gun. :aok
Just my 2ct worth.
Jag34
Tiger Squad
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That was one nice thing about AW, couldnt gun yer own plane, but *could* pack a full boat of squaddies into a B25 or 17 and go out looking for trouble. :) That 25 had murderous coverage to rear even without belly turret; waist guns seemed to have 160 degree field of fire, and actual 25's I've examined seemed to bear out the AW plane model.
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MA Survivable Bombers:
B-24J
B-25J
B-29B
Coranado
Do217K-2
H8K2 "Emily"
He177A-5 Greif
Ju188A-2
Mosquito B.Mk IV
Mosquito B.Mk XVI
P.108
P1Y1 Ginga "Frances"
Pe-2B
Tu-2S
All of these are MA survivable to one degree or another. As can be seen there are quite a few more MA useful (inasmuch as bombers are useful in the MA anymore) bombers that could be added than just the three in the opening post.
Focusing on just the most survivable in my list we would get:
B-24J
B-29B
He177A-5
Mosquito B.Mk XVI
The runners up:
H8K2 "Emily"
P.108
Tu-2S
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i doubt Emily will be hard to destroy
as recon plane will fly as single plane not formation
so poor defence chances
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Emily's were used in formations as bombers on occasion and I was thinking in those terms here.
The Emily was the toughest Japanese aircraft with full tank protection and considerable armor protection.
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Originally posted by brady
He 177 is another,Emily is another, Coranado is yet another,TU-2, is another.....
I realy dont think adding yet another Allied bomber is going to realy help or Hurt except in the case of Event's or the CT, it would Help to have their time spent on somthing other than yet another Allied Buff at preset.
But hey were going on a long prettythang time now without any new plane so as a man dying of thirst I dont think I would realy care how dirty the water I was given was, it would nice if it were clean and clear but I would settle for some more of the ushual Allied High Brand Texas prary water.
Isnt the TU-2 an exact copy of a B-29 that the Russians made after WWII? And yes B-24s are a MUST HAVE!
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yes Karnak, but mostly used as recon plane, slow and long range
i dont see reason to make it flying as formation in AH
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i would care less about a B24 i would not trade the ruggedness of the B17 for the B24
but any new plane right now would be fun to play with
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Originally posted by Batz
(http://www.comandosupremo.com/Piaggio108.jpg)
Piaggio P.108 Heavy Bomber
But the next ah bomber (2 eng) should be the Pe2 and a pe3 fighter variant......
Batz u know that..
........ i love you!!!!! :aok :aok
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someday maybe
(http://www.comandosupremo.com/sm79torpedo.jpg)
Savoia Marchetti SM.79 Sparviero
:D
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"Isnt the TU-2 an exact copy of a B-29 that the Russians made after WWII?"
Niet:
"And yes B-24s are a MUST HAVE!"
If your a fan of the B24 I suspect it would be, but it would not add anything to the game that is not curently represented, namely a US heavy Bomber.
TU-2
(http://www.vvs-regia-avions.com/VVS/Tu2-003.jpg)
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Not the SM 79 Cant Z 1007 , thing again:)
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65464&perpage=50&pagenumber=1
(http://www.vvs-regia-avions.com/Regia/Z1007-004.jpg)
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Originally posted by brady
"Isnt the TU-2 an exact copy of a B-29 that the Russians made after WWII?"
Niet:
"And yes B-24s are a MUST HAVE!"
If your a fan of the B24 I suspect it would be, but it would not add anything to the game that is not curently represented, namely a US heavy Bomber.
TU-2
(http://www.vvs-regia-avions.com/VVS/Tu2-003.jpg)
Ah thats right, the B29 copy was the TU-4.
(http://www.rb-29.net/HTML/03RelatedStories/03.03shortstories/shortstoryscans/RussianB-29.jpg)
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I get them confused myself often so I ineverably look before posting:)
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Being a big fan of American planes, I feel that the most important bomber for us to get would be the G4M2 "One shot" errr, "Betty".
:D :cool:
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I'd rather flesh out the planeset of the neglected nations rather than just adding planes only in order of how they perform. Next bombers should probably be Russian, though I'd settle for another German bomber, or even Italian.
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I'm getting fed up with the 2 engined bombers, low payload/defencive armament etc.
I'd be up for some heavy buffs, not necciseraly B-24, but maybe some german/russian ones. This might add some more fun in the scenarios?
Also I agree with ecleptic, I'd rather see very beautifull skinned/remodelled current planes than new planes.
...Have you ever seen the B-17?......it's really ugly...:(
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Since somebody brought up flying boats, How about the big fat Short Sunderland?
Nicely armed, and therefor also nicknamed "the hedgehog" by the Germans ;)
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Since somebody brought up flying boats, How about the big fat Short Sunderland?
Nicely armed, and therefor also nicknamed "the hedgehog" by the Germans ;)
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Originally posted by frank3
I'd be up for some heavy buffs, not necciseraly B-24, but maybe some german/russian ones.
The problem with that is that the Germans and Soviets didn't really use heavy bombers (with 1 or 2 exceptions) .
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we need more early war bombers.
wellington
betty
blenheim
dornier 17
hienkel 111
will really help the scenarios
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Agreed! Maybe smthing like the swordfish?
We'll be needing early war fighters then too....
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want a useful early war bomber?
how about this? (http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Etropics/tech.htm)
The early MkI had Hercules II engines but they were replaced later by the Hercules XI The first production Stirling rolled off the assembly line in August 1940
(http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Etropics/mk1.jpg)
Specifications Short Stirling MkI:
Wingspan: 99' 1" (30.2m)
Length: 87' 3" (26.59m) MkV - 90' 7" (27.61m)
Height: 22' 9" (6.93m)
Empty Weight: 46,900 Pounds
Maximum Weight: 70,000 Pounds
Powerplants: Four 1,500 hp Bristol Hercules XI air cooled radial engines
Armament: Eight .303 Browning machine guns, nose turret (2), dorsal turret (2), tail turret (4), 17.000 Pounds of bombs
Maximum Speed: 255 mph
Service Ceiling: 16,500 feet (maximum load)
Range: 2,330 miles
Crew: Eight
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Yea but .303s
Its bad enough people can pork multiple drones in one pass
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The Short Stirling has always been a favorate plane of mine, but I think realy in the way of early War Buff's the following would help the most for the SEA and for the CT:
Beaufort
Betty or Nell
Il-4
Cant Z. 1007
The Beaufort is a great plane for an early war Buff it is very versatile, in that it is torpedo capable and carys for the time a contempoary bombload and defensive aramament, it was used in the PTO and in Europe and would fit well into many events and the CT.
The Betty/Nell, these would be last on my list in terms of priourty, since the only real diferance between the Peggy we have and them is spead which depending on model is around 20 to 40 mph.
The Il-4 is a must realy we do not have any Russian Bomber's yet and this plane was very important historicaly and would help fill a huge hole in the plane set, presently their are NO Early War Russian planes in the game.
Cant Z. 1007, this would add a new plane for Italy and a new capabality and a nice adation to the Med for events and the CT, used almost everywhear Italy faught from the Begining of the war to it's end and more capable than the SM 79 it would be a nice adation to the plane set.
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I say we get something that can replace/do the job the our Skytrain. Maybe Junkers Ju52?
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Well, the Curtiss Commando would be nice, like a C47 on steroids :D
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The Li2 was a good troop carrier and is faster than the Junkers Ju52.
For buffs, the He-177 carries a good load and was heavily armed (2x20mm cannons in addition to 4 other guns). The Pe-2 or another schnellbomber (fast bomber) like the Do-217E or JU88S-0 would add something that isnt already there.
Glas
JG13 Lokis Kinder
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Well, in the win engine business, - BEAUFIGHTER and JU 188?
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Beaufighter for sure! It's a must for ah!
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We just have to have a Betty. How many scenerios must we run with the Ju-88 in place of the Betty.
Gotta have it!
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Well we don't necissarely need new planes. I'd be glad with new targets or new sorts of ordnance (like an enormous bomb)
The target being large cities(and I mean really large, not our squary current ones)
And please PLEASE make the fleet cruise slower....this will make the torping alot easier (and more realistic since you'll even get to hit something for a change!)
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217 E and J, cant let the easy mode compitition beat us there
same goes for the
PE-8
TU-2 or PE-2
O yea we need early war british buff for spanking with nightfighters in the TOD.
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Or nightfighters with an actuall radar on board?
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Or nightfighters with an actuall radar on board
Umm, all the planes have radar as it is most of the time. I really agree that we are more than due for a update. If HTC would have put the amount of work into AH1 as they have in AH2 we would have so many planes and a much cooler game. Its just sad that they have tried to reinvent the wheel. I feel AH1 is good and with more planes it would be better. Another cool idea to get some of the less used aircraft used more is to have 2 MA's like AW3 had. Have a pacific and a euro theatre. In each theatre you have the correct planes. This would make alot of the planes used alot more than they are. I think fester is working on a CV dominated map and it would be cool to have only USN and the Japanese Navy planes available. Just think of how much fun it would be to have only TBM's, and Vals to bomb/torp with. Of course we would need a few more japanese cv planes for this to work. but.......
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You all forgot this one............
(http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~sansom/LuftwaffeEagles/LE554.jpg)
Well armed bomber best suited to survival in the MA?
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Originally posted by N8DOG
Umm, all the planes have radar as it is most of the time.
Well I was planning of radar on board so you can see where they are any time (not relying on friendly tower radar)