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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Dingy on December 26, 2000, 03:12:00 PM
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Dunno what it is...
crappy framerates now...
bogus PTgunboats...
disappearing icons...
glitchy graphics....
Hate the new version (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Can I have 1.04 back?
-Ding
PS....and I have a P3 550Mhz with a 32MB Elsa Erazor X2 DDR vid card...its not shabby equip...
Sorry gang...Im not thrilled...seems the flight sim has just gone down the drain.
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Nothing like thoroughly trying something out before you render an opinion,eh? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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LJK_Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps (http://www.luftjagerkorps.com)
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[This message has been edited by LJK Raubvogel (edited 12-26-2000).]
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Guess I'll have to cancel my account and take up Warbirds.
Anyone sense the sarcasm in that joke? Lol :-) If there are problems Dingy, I'm sure they'll get resolved. Not until HTC spends a good deal of time partying this New Years. I'd send a bottle to ya guys, but I'm underage (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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I'm with ya Dingy. As seems quite beta to me. My framerate is 1/4 to 1/2 what it was, icons disappear (no they not obscured by canopy), screen freezes for 3 seconds at a time. Waiting for patch number 1.
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Originally posted by LJK Raubvogel:
Nothing like thoroughly trying something out before you render an opinion,eh? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
How far do I have to dig into it before I render an opinion? You mean I have to frustrate myself even further before my point is valid?
Sense the sarcasm in that post too?
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where I hads a real good time, this version needs some work. A little buggy for sure, however I believe that HTC has always bneen very prompt in fixing things. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Sorry Dingy to not agree with your opinion,
When I get home tonight I'll try it for myself and see what I think then. I do believe that HTC has worked their collective tulips off to get this out and they will continue to improve it, but they deserve a break. We all called for 1.05 to come out, the last thing I think they'll need is people harping on em within 5 hours of the release.
<S> as always
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Originally posted by Moose11:
Sorry Dingy to not agree with your opinion,
We all called for 1.05 to come out, the last thing I think they'll need is people harping on em within 5 hours of the release.
<S> as always
Welp Moose...I stand by my opinion. I was one of the few apparently who was happy with the game as it was. And since I pay $30 a month for this....I would think my opinion is just as worthy of anyone elses.
Yes HTC has always pulled through in the past.
My current opinion still stands...this software should not have been released yet.
-Ding
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Game flies fine for me - awesome framerates and terrific graphics:
Athlon 700 - geforce
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The version has been out all of 6 hours and this jerk says to can it.
Who the hell are you, are you a software developer? a flight sim ace with hundreds of hours and kills? You don't have shabby equipment?, how the hell do we know. Maybe your cat pissed in it last night, or did he just piss in your cornflakes this morning. HTC has worked their collective
ass off to get this out during christmas.
Salute HTC! The silent majority say thanks.
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BOJC.. I've been flyin this sim right alongside Dingy since the first beta release. His opinion is one I value. He's been right there backin up the sim and it's development cycle with good feedback, and has no qualms at all about callin it like he sees it.
If he's havin probs with his PII/550 runnin this release; then I'd expect him to say so.. he has.
The developers need to hear ALL the feedback; good and bad. His post was not out of line IMHO... yours was.
<S!>
Hang
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Well as far as FPS go, you have many more elements in the picture now. The ships are taking up much more horsepower now since they have as many or more polygons than say your standard airfield. That's just the price you gotta pay for detailed graphics. I see no difference when I am flying over plain terrain, the fps is just as smooth as always. The slowdown occurs when flying over/near ships.
fscott
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His post was out of line.
"hate the new version"
"seems the flight sim has just gone down the drain."
Does that sound like constructive critisism and helpful feedback.
Give me a break, I've been around as long as anyone and I know ya can't evaluate a whole new version in 5 hours.
I stiil say he having a bad day and should give it a rest and a new tryout.
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Alright, lets not have a big flamewar over this. If you have issues with the new version, make sure you or at someone else has posted them in the appropriate place and with enough detail that we're not wondering what it is that you're talking about. We have a short turnaround time on initial patches so don't waste time in doing that.
BTW, ever see the ILC skit "Men on Films"?
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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Guess it depends on your perspective. I was new with version 1.04, so this new version to me looks like it has gone UP the drain.
Where else can you have this much fun flying WW2 birds online. Nope, don't see anywhere else...
fscott
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Salute Pyro!
Me and Major HJ are going over to the officer's club and if we see dingy will buy em a beer or two. That goes fer hangtime too.
Over and out.
Let's go HJ!
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Hey Bojc....know what? I wasnt out of line. My opinion is that I hate this version bugs and all....and yes...thats in a little over 6 hours of playing!
Maybe my opinion would change if there werent problems but guess what...there are lots which isnt out of the ordinary as would be expected with a huge leap in functionality as we've just had.
Now as to who I am, I've been here playing and hopefully furthering this sim since the first day of beta which is obviously more than can be said of you Mr. "I've Posted All of 26 Times Now Yet I Have No Problem Giving Those Who Know What They Are Talking About toejam". I've also been involved in a number of other betas notably AW II's and Everquests a few years ago....on top of that YES I AM A SOFTWARE DEVELOPER!
So look dweeb....you have a problem with my post...dont fuggin read it. Instead...go to www.flyingpigs.com (http://www.flyingpigs.com) and read up on ACM and teach yourself how to fly. Then you can come back and post with the big boys...got that scooter?
<pats Boogie...bojie...spoogie or whatever his name is on the bellybutton and sends him off to play>
Ahhhh....NOW I feel better (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Nothing like a little flame war to get your mind off of things (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
-Ding
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Originally posted by Pyro:
Alright, lets not have a big flamewar over this. If you have issues with the new version, make sure you or at someone else has posted them in the appropriate place and with enough detail that we're not wondering what it is that you're talking about. We have a short turnaround time on initial patches so don't waste time in doing that.
BTW, ever see the ILC skit "Men on Films"?
All the problems I've encountered have been posted...I had to vent and it looks like it was worthwhile. I feel SOOOO much better now that Spoogie got on my ass...my problems with 1.05 are fading away in my memory!
<S> Hang, Pyro and everyone except Spooge...moons to him (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Rgr that Bojc... sorry I hopped right up. Seems like all of us have some days that are better than others.. still and all; It seems not to much to hope for that a guy can speak his mind in his own way without bein hammered fer sayin haow he feels about what he sees. You included. My apologies. I spoke outta turn (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hey little dingy
In tone"s famous term "bite me"
If you had been around as long as you think you have you would know who the hell I am.
Yo HJ cancel the beer for dingus he's too young to drink.
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im sorry but ive read this post whilst downloading 1.05 and ive got to say its not the sort of thing i like to read in here.
Dingy ive flown with you and ive never thought anything bad of what you've said or posted but i gotta say this post seems very negative
I have had trouble with crashes/framerates in previous updates and several changes and introductions have really annoyed me but i dont post 5 hours after the initial patch release proclaiming the game has gone 'down the drain' and i dont think it was very nice of you to do it on such a public forum.
a descreet email to HTC would have been more astute and would probably yeald better results.
These sort of posts are not helpfull to HTC as a business i just hope someone looking in here wondering whether to download the game doesnt read it.Im really sorry but bugs or no bugs i will not be posting stuff like this and quite frankly i dont care for anyones 'opinion' of AH just facts about it and im sure that goes for mostly everyone..I mean do you care what i think?
i thought so......
hazed
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Bojc,
Some people know that you have been around along time. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
www.flyingpigs.com?? (http://www.flyingpigs.com??) when in the hell did they start using ACM?
Drex
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Originally posted by bojc:
If you had been around as long as you think you have you would know who the hell I am.
Nope...can honestly say I dont know who ya are. If you are a Warbirds vet, great...theres alot of em in here but I dont know ya from AH. Sorry.
-Ding
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oops, and i have less posts than bojc. I better start reading on how to fly too.
Drex
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Originally posted by Drex:
oops, and i have less posts than bojc. I better start reading on how to fly too.
Drex
puleaze......
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Who has the popcorn (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by hazed-:
i just hope someone looking in here wondering whether to download the game doesnt read it.
Hazed, my comments were made out of frustration earlier. There are many cool features added but at what cost? My machine is anything BUT antiquated yet I have performance problems. There are play balance issues that are only now coming to the surface with mass usage.
The game as it stands now is IMHO unplayable and it frustrates me that I have to wait 1-2 weeks after a huge update like this for all of the major bugs to get fixed....during which I am billed regardless of whether I play or not. Whats even more frustrating is that NEVER was my machine/connection taxed as heavily as it was tonite. These are issues that are going to be VERY difficult for HTC to resolve...although I have no doubt they can do so.
When 1.04 came out many of us cried out for download mirror sites. HTC heard us and now we have download mirror sites. I am going to make ANOTHER suggestion this go around, hopefully which will be at least considered. Run two servers...a production server and a testing server. Those who want the latest and greatest version with all the bugs and problems can play on the testing server and beta test for those of us who prefer stable gameplay. Once all the major problems have been resolved on the testing server, those changes are rolled over to the production servers. And Spooge...as a software engineer I can tell you that most replacement software systems in business go through this same testing/production rollover process.
In the gaming industry, it works for Verant and Everquest...lets try it here?
-Ding
[This message has been edited by Dingy (edited 12-26-2000).]
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I gotta say that I like dingy and all, but this post is way out of line. It's the day of the release for crying out loud!!. Sometimes you just gotta bite your tongue when you're frustrated, because this post sure as hell isn't accomplishing anything.
C'mon dingy! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Post Xmas stress disorder (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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"...Mr. "I've Posted All of 26 Times Now Yet I Have No Problem Giving Those Who Know What They Are Talking About toejam....".
So the more often you post...the more knowledgeable about the game you are. Hehe...good one. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
By the way, nobody has any argument with your right to voice your opinions, it's your "the sky is falling" delivery. Hard on the ears.
bowser
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Originally posted by bowser:
"...Mr. "I've Posted All of 26 Times Now Yet I Have No Problem Giving Those Who Know What They Are Talking About toejam....".
So the more often you post...the more knowledgeable about the game you are. Hehe...good one. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Saintaw, RAM & Ripsnort, get your arses in here...we need ya! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
SOB
BTW...I hate each and every one of you. I won't be back at my computer until after New Years! D'oh!
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Hey Dingy, do me a favor and don't post links to our site. I don't want people to think a moron such as yourself is a Pig.
I see very little constructive feedback in your posts. For starters, what res and color depth are you running at? What are the rest of your specs? WHAT ARE THE DETAILS???
So Bite me, dweeblet...and please, make my day by flaming me for how few posts I have here...lol...
To HTC: <S> now take some time off!
-Smut
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XO, The squealing Pigs
http://www.flyingpigs.com (http://www.flyingpigs.com)
"Oink! Oink! To War!"
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Smut...bite me. You want my machine specs GO CHECK THE BUG PAGE WHERE I POSTED THE PROBLEMS! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif) Point of the post here was that the game is unplayable and to propose some alternatives to avoid this clusterf*ck next time....not to post machine specs!
As far as posting your weblink link...fahgit about it. Replies like yours are even more childish than my rants! The link stays up there!
Although you all may have problems with my posting my thoughts here, I'm sorry. Its not going to change the way I feel. HTC do a great job 95% of the time and can have all the time off they want...after they get the game to the same playable level for us or decide to give us another 2 weeks free trial during this beta period! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif)
-Ding
[This message has been edited by Dingy (edited 12-26-2000).]
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Dingy great idea I think this should happen hence we need a test before the big crapola comes over like this throwing this down our throats like this .
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Glasses---I may have 4 eyes ,but you only have one wing.
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Originally posted by Dingy:
Smut...bite me. You want my machine specs GO CHECK THE BUG PAGE WHERE I POSTED THE PROBLEMS! [This message has been edited by Dingy (edited 12-26-2000).]
Let's see...you posted three bugs in the bug section, only one of which had *partial* specs. You claim to be a "software developer" yet you seem to have no idea how to post a bug report in manner that would be useful to the programers. lol...
For example...what res? What color depth? etc, etc...come on, Mr. Developer...surely you know the drill.
Originally posted by Dingy:
Point of the post here was that the game is unplayable and to propose some alternatives to avoid this clusterf*ck next time....not to post machine specs!
Do tell...where exactly in your original post do you "propose some alternatives"?
Enlighten me.
Originally posted by Dingy:
As far as posting your weblink link...fahgit about it. Replies like yours are even more childish than my rants! The link stays up there!
How is my reply to your original rant "childish"? I made a simple request, and I stated my reason. You are not a Pig, and will never be one...somehow, I get the feeling that me saying that really toasts your ass. So be it.
Your ranting serves no useful purpose.
IMHO, that is.
-Smut
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LOL!! I love the attention! These flamewars are great for extinguishing game frustrations!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I gave the amount of info I figured they would need to get the bugs fixed. No more, no less than other bug reports I've filed for previous versions. ALSO...I dont seem to have any less info than anyone else posting bugs. Funny thing there....previous bugs happened to get fixed without too much difficulty by HTC. Do you figure things are going to be different this time around???
Yer right. I didnt post a realistic alternative in my first post. Took me 2 posts to suggest that we implement a testing server to allow those who want the new version to play it while letting those who want stability have that too. Sorry your limited attention span missed that.
Your rant was childish cause you posted on this board with as much emotional discourse as I did in some of my posts. I may not have been right in doing so but then neither were you. And ROFL about being in the Flying Pigs...some of the pigs who fly AH are great guys...<S> Leph, Wrek and Eagl. But as far as wanting to be one, Im just fine as I am...33rd to the core. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Ya know its funny...the majority of these heated posts against my opinions are coming from guys who log limited flight hours in AH. Go figure?
-Ding
[This message has been edited by Dingy (edited 12-26-2000).]
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dingy i understand your frustrations and the test server and old version(.04) server is a great idea however, im not sure its easy for htc to run 2 versions on same system? i dont know.
I agree with what you say and i have been in the same position (when 1.03 came out i believe).I had lockups constantly until a patch fixed sound card issues.I was mad as hell but remember HTC would much prefer things to run smooth, I'd imagine it would be a dream come true if it all worked no problem.
I too hope your problems get sorted and i wouldnt worry about your specs, my friend runs a p500 TNT2 128mb SBlive and is getting 45fps average in cockpits (only 4-5 fps less than in 1.04 we think) as you know its hard to tell.the fleet causes slowdown but so did smoke when we first got it if you remember and it still does (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I think its some sort of incompatability with your drivers/hardware etc.
Also there was 76 bish 65 knits 67 rooks on when i was on and im sure this was causing hits on performance! ive never seen so many on myself.
hope to see you on soon dingy <S>
hazed
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Ummm, I have a PIII 500 with VoodooIII, and Ver 1.05 runs just dandy on my puter. No problem with frame rates, freezes, or anything. I didn't see any bugs that caused me any problems.
I did notice the icons disappear sometimes for short periods. But that's no beef to me, I can still see the planes.
I like it. From what I heard over the radio while I was playing, the other 225 folks playing like it too. But if there are problems, I'm sure HTC will put out an update quick. It's not like they had an open beta to resolve these things prior to release.
I would like to see the next terrain update create a little more balance between the ground and naval games. The island terrain is great for this update to encourage everyone to do the boat and ship thing. The next terrain update should have some larger, divided land masses so tank wars don't go out of style. Perhaps just like the last terrain before 1.05, but with ports so the fleets can sail around and attack the HQs from the sea?
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Smut, Dingy..everyone! Mellow out!
Check this site out...
http://www.growzan.com (http://www.growzan.com)
This flame war is STILL going....
Paul
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On a scale of 10 I would give it a 5. Gunnery is improved. And that's a biggie with me.
On the other side. the first thing I look for in every ver., is to see if they fixed the screen freezing. Or at least posted what causes it. So I can fix it. No change there.
I don't care about boats and tanks, or anything else down there. So this ver. wasn't aimed at my type anyway. Ack hugging is ack hugging. Whether the ack is mobile, or not.
The terrain is a big step backwards. Looks like a version of the old WB diamond arena. Truly bland, And I cant turn off the hi rez shimmer to boot. That has always done strange things to my eyes.
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Im afraid that its just a fact of life that computers need to keep runnig faster and graphics cards better to keep up with better and more detailed gameplay....its not just here but with any of the new games comming out. My 450p2 with tnt2 ultra is just begining to signal to me that a change is due. It wont be long unill 800MHz is minimum to run some of the better highly detailed games. I read that with the advent of the new 30 nanometer transistors that Intel is forcasting a 10GHz chip by 2005 ,can you imagine the lifelike detail some games will have with that monster. So I guess I dont like spending money any more than the next guy but I have to seriously decide ,do I enjoy flight sims enough to be worth while?...my answer has always been yes and untill I say no ...I'll be upgrading every 1 1/2 to 2 years. As for the rest of the Game stuff HTC will work their usual magic with quick fixes,I have no concern there,where else have you seen a support group that can jump on things in minutes instead of months? not at brand wb thats for sure.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)...Keep up the good work HTC...some of us do actually appreciate it.
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Yo Dingy you said:
"If you are a Warbirds vet great...theres alot of em in here but I dont know ya from AH. Sorry."
Apology accepted, now relax have a drink,
shake hands with Major HJ.
Thanks to all the pigs who spoke up, some 5 or 6 years ago Worr was my first trainer,
Oink oink to War...........
Salute drex....thanks DOC I owe ya a cold one.
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Ok now....big group hug!!!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Lt. Col. Aaron "txace-" Giles of the 457th BG
"Fait Accompli"
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Framerate, no difference for me, hits when near carriers almost as much as it did near a field full of smoke.
I notice alotta GeForce complaints...
I run V3 and don't have alotta the probs the nvidias seem to be having...
AKskurj
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I don't see that much wrong with it.
the new acks are a big improvement.
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Hossa Dingy,
at least u shoot me down yesterday, didn't u (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Seriously, give it some time.
PS.Hate it when i killed all ack on a8 alone,
comin back w troops, landed on the runway,tried to get them troops out & total lockup after 1st soldier left the plane------
WWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHH (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Who the hell is bojc? I've never heard of him till this thread. Bojc, Dingy's opinion would be valued much more over yours any day of the week. Dunno if you remember Dingy, but back in beta me, you, and Terne got pissed off at each other over a kill. Ah...those were the days...beta...when it was free. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Ok, its 6 AM in the morning and I better log here before I get too OT. S!
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====>Exposure2k.com
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Why don't you all calm down? It seems a little OTT to start vehemently whining about the bugs less than 24 hours after the game was released, as if this is the final version. There was very little constructive criticism in the original post.
1) Post the problems in the bugs forum, explaining in detail what happened.
2) Wait a few days for HTC to take a look at it.
3) If you can't stand playing the game in its present form, take a break and do something else for a change. Then come back in a few days.
I don't mean to be patronising but you guys know the drill. I think we should all have a little patience - HTC has made loads of big changes with this release and it is inevitable that there will be a few teething troubles.
[This message has been edited by Dowding (edited 12-27-2000).]
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bojc has been a Flight sim enthusiest for a long time. He has been flying in WB's for alot longer than I have been in flight sims. Just becuase you don't recognise the mans handle doesnt not justify that kind of reaction. That kind of welcome will do nothing but alienate folks and keep our community from growing. These flame wars are really pretty useless (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Good Morning! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I respect Dingy's opinion...I think he is just frustrated...unlike the rest of us who only fly with big dumb grins on our faces. Perhaps alittle empathy might be in order?
I also know that HTC will do what needs to be done to ensure solid gameplay...they have a track record which speaks for itself.
Personally, I'm excited to see our sim improving...I know many who fly here who have been doing this alot longer than WB's vets, and they will tell you that in no other sim have we enjoyed such an agressive growth along with an ear bent our way from the developers.
I understand how Dingy feels. I also know what kind of pilot he is...he will make the adjustment and maybe go shopping too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Ltr
Ice
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Damn, scared the hell out of me! Two threads I Luv It with 18 posts and Hate It with 48. Looked like I was out in left field cause I think it's beautiful. 'Course I just launched the Mother Of All Puters but could it be so bad for so many. Then I looked, only 3 actually said they don't like it. The other 45 are either defending their position or telling the 3 that they're WRONNNGGG, LOL Hang in there this will be fixed up pretty very soon.
Beeg
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"All we are saying is give P..yro a chance!"
(Chanting)
Flame Wars are for kids,
Thorns
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I disagree. Flamewars (if you look them frome some distance, with a cold beer and some popcorn) are really funny. Specially if you bear in mind the relative mature ages involved (http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/net6/scene.gif)
Flame on (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Pepe
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Dunno how people could miss Bojc in here... He was the one hanging around with the huge drunk monkey at the AH con. Just so we're all clear about what that means, Drex doesn't let just ANYONE call him a big drunk monkey so Bojc isn't exactly a newbie.
As for Pigs flying ACM, (ahem) maybe Drex would have preferred it if we had flown welded wing or spun at the merge a few times? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
In all seriousness, give the release a chance. 1.04 was porked beyond belief at release due to a database error, and I'm still sorry I didn't follow the official bug reporting procedure instead of loudly proclaiming the flight model "broken". A week or two later, all was back to normal except for the B-17 which still did high G rudder only turns after the patch. Oops, I forgot to report that...
Give it a chance, and in the meantime find someone online and keel them repeatedly. Then shoot their chute. Then vulch their field and hang out at the furball sector. You'll feel much better, trust me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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eagl <squealing Pigs> BYA
Oink Oink To War!!!