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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: wastel1 on January 18, 2004, 12:28:48 PM
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..hi guys,
how much rounds do you have in game?
the homepage says 150....
but on the 109F4/G2/G6/G10 the 20mm ammunition
consited of 200 round 20mm in reality
greetings
wastel
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The 109F-4 has 150 rounds in AH but this topic has been brought up many times.
It would seem 200 rounds was max capacity but its the opinion of some that the standard was 150 rounds inorder to reduce jamming.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44503
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thats a good read, thanks :)
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lol...bigger lol
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Just to butt in and say "LuftWhiners!"
But really, the max capacity of the F4 through the G6 was 200 rounds. HOWEVER (according to Helmut Lipfert's diary - my only reliable source for 109 armaments) - only 120 to 150 rounds were loaded.
For me - it comes down to whether or not jamming is modelled. Since jamming apparently died out with Dynamix, then full loads should truthfully be modelled. (hint hint- model jamming!!!!!!!)
There's several planes in AH1 that SHOULD jam. Especially one plane I know of that is fairly straightforward as to when it should jam.
Anyhow, thats my hand.
-SW
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I think I've also hear that the Tempy has wrong load of guns.
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Come to think of it, the P-47 has 3400 rounds of .50s, which I understand is not the normal ammo feed at all. IL2/FB offers the option as "Extra Ammunition".
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Then I don't see why not the 109s can have the option to load either 150 or 200 rounds..?? Especially when the 200 rounds is the norm, not even an 'extra' load out.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Come to think of it, the P-47 has 3400 rounds of .50s, which I understand is not the normal ammo feed at all. IL2/FB offers the option as "Extra Ammunition".
All U.S. attack aircraft have the option of overload ord here.
Why not british and german aircraft too?
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The 20mm box could hold up to 200 rounds of ammo. One can find that number from various original documents from RLM and Luftwaffe. It is also true that lower amount of ammo was used to prevent jamming.
In real life I think they put in the amount of rounds the particular ammo belt happened to have at the time. In Finnish Air Force documents I've seen figures from 120 up to 155.
There's a document from finnish State Aircraft Factory which shows how to load the ammo box. It shows that after 155 rounds there is still considerable space left in the box.
In real life where you usually got only one or two changes to fire at a target so anything over 100 rounds was usually enough. Reliability was the most important thing. In the MA where the enviroment is A LOT more target rich the rounds would sure come handy. :)
As there is no jamming modelled and there are aircraft which have their over-load ammo loads I of course would like to see 200 round load for F-4 and G-2 modelled.
There's also the other side of the issue...one can argue that as it would have a risk to jam the gun it shouldn't be modelled. As 109 is the plane I fly more than anything else of course I'd like to have 50 more rounds in my disposal. :)
EDIT/edited that last 500 to 50...a *small* typo, LOL :) /EDIT
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All U.S. attack aircraft have the option of overload ord here.
Why not british and german aircraft too?
Hear hear!