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Title: Lesson: Political Math (Racial abilities, Bush, misleading statistics)
Post by: miko2d on January 20, 2004, 02:59:41 PM
Lesson: Political Math (Racial abilities, Bush, misleading statistics)

Summary: President Bush claimed that the statistics show decrease in the racial achievement gap as a result of his policies.
 Applying real statistics to the data shows no such decrease. The achievements of blacks and whites could have increased or the passing score could have became easier to achieve - but the black-white gap measured correctly is about exactly the same.
 The Harvard M.B.A. graduate Bush either does not know basic statistics or is intentionally misleading the public.

In an address to the Urban League in July 2003 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/07/20030728-3.html), President Bush observed:

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Nearly half a century after Brown versus Board of Education, there's still an achievement gap in America. On the most recent National Assessment of Educational Progress, on the reading test, 41 percent of white 4th graders were proficient and better readers, but only 12 percent of African-Americans met that standard. That means we've got a problem.

. . .

I know setting high standards works. I know measuring and using the measurement system as a way to diagnose problems so you can focus on the problems works. In my state (Texas), 73 percent of the white students passed the math test in 1994, while only 38 percent of African-American students passed it. So we made that the point of reference. We had people focused on the results for the first time -- not process, but results. And because teachers rose to the challenge, because the problem became clear, that gap has now closed to 10 points. Because every child can learn, you've just got to focus the attention and the resources when necessary. Accountability tells you what's going right and it tells you what's going wrong and it shows you where the emphasis needs to be.

We're having the same results in North Carolina. In states that measure, you'll find that the achievement gap is closing dramatically.


NC percent passing both reading and math at Level III. Grades 3-8
% white % black point gap
1992-93 63.4 30.1 33.3
1993-94 66.2 32 34.2
1994-95 68.9 34.5 34.4
1995-96 70.9 36.2 34.7
1996-97 72.7 38.4 34.3
1997-98 76.7 44.7 32
1998-99 79.2 48.5 30.7
99-2000 80.2 49.6 30.6
2000-01 82 52 30
2001-02 84.4 56.6 27.8
2002-03 88.8 66.9 21.9
Source: NC Department of Public Instruction

TX percent passing TAAS math exams. Grades 3-8 and 10
% white % black point gap
1994 73.3 38.1 35.2
1995 79.2 43.8 35.4
1996 85.0 55.0 30.0
1997 89.5 64.1 25.4
1998 91.9 70.5 21.4
1999 92.5 72.8 19.7
2000 93.6 77.0 16.6
2001 95.1 81.9 13.2
2002 96.5 86.5 10.0
Source: Texas Education Agency
      


 Let's concentrate on two years from each sample - earliest and latest dates.
 North Carolina shows a 34% decrease in "gap" - from 33.3 to 21.9 points.
 Texas shows 72% decrease in "gap" - from 35.2 to 10.0 points.

 What does that "point gap" mean? If you wanted to measure the performance gap in jumping between a team of toddlers and a NBA team, you could measure how many of them would jump over a 1 foot-high plank. If 100% of NBA players and 90% of toddlers jump over, you have a gap of 10 points. If you lower the plank to 1/2 foot or train the toddlers to jump higher, 95% of toddlers will be able to jump over the plank and the gap will decrease to 5 points. It will be halved!
 Does it seem like a good way to measure performance gap? Unless you are president Bush, you would probably be interested in the difference (gap) between the average height of a jump for each team.

 So let's try to estimate the difference in average test score from the data available, converting percentiles into standard deviations (SD):
NC percent passing both reading and math at Level III. Grades 3-8
% white % black pt gap SD wht SD blk SD gap Adj SD gap
1992-93 63.4 30.1 33.3 -0.36 0.5 0.86 0.90
2002-03 88.8 66.9 21.9 -1.22 -0.44 0.78 0.92

TX percent passing TAAS math exams. Grades 3-8 and 10
% white % black pt gap SD wht SD blk SD gap Adj SD gap
1994 73.3 38.1 35.2 -0.62 0.3 0.92 0.99
2002 96.5 86.5 10.0 -1.81 -1.1 0.71 0.91


 I assume that a standard deviation (variability) of black population is 0.9 of the standard deviation of the white population - from other sources but the difference between 1 and 0.9 would not change results much. As expressed in black SDs, the difference between white and black average scores was for NC:
1992-93 0.90 black SDs - a score of an average white was better than that of 81.6% blacks
2002-03 0.92 black SDs - a score of an average white was better than that of 82% blacks

For Texas:
1994 0.99 black SDs - a score of an average white was better than that of 84% blacks
2002 0.91 black SDs - a score of an average white was better than that of 82% blacks

 That means that in Texas the gap decreased by only 2% (not 72%) and increased in NC by 0.5%.Of course margn of error in my rough calculations is about that much, so we can consider that there was no change. When you have two populations with distinct normal distributions, the shift in a treshhold would cause non-linear effect on percentile rations. It's just a statistical trick - not necessarily an indication of any change.

 One thing is clear - the gap was not reduced. If you increased the difficulty of the test so that 73.3% white texas students passed it, 38% of black texas students will pass it just like they did in 1994. If the test was made hard enough for 63.4% white NC students to pass, 30% black NC students would pass it just like in 93.

 I would not speculate whether there was real performance improvement of both whites and blacks on the test or the test was "dumbed down" - I have no data for that though I have my suspicions. I would not speculate whether nature or nurture, genetics or racism caused the persistent gap in average abilities between races. The only claim I make is that the gap exists and is exactly the same as it was.

 Politicians lie. You learn economics - you discover that they lie about economics. You learn history - you discover that they lie about history. You learn natural sciences - you discover that they lie about environment, biology, technology, etc. You learn math -  you discover that they lie about math.
 When their lips are moving, they are lying. If you are not intelligent and educated enough to understand what they are talking about, you are lost.

 miko
Title: Lesson: Political Math (Racial abilities, Bush, misleading statistics)
Post by: Batz on January 20, 2004, 03:46:02 PM
Democracy is based on convincing a majority of the citizenry that your position and policies are right. It should come as no surprise that in the process of convincing the majority distortions, half-truths and out right lies are common tools of the trade.
Title: Lesson: Political Math (Racial abilities, Bush, misleading statistics)
Post by: Stringer on January 20, 2004, 05:58:38 PM
Breathtaking....
Title: Lesson: Political Math (Racial abilities, Bush, misleading statistics)
Post by: strk on January 20, 2004, 06:03:26 PM
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Democracy is based on convincing a majority of the citizenry that your position and policies are right. It should come as no surprise that in the process of convincing the majority distortions, half-truths and out right lies are common tools of the trade.


Just because its done doesnt mean we have to accept it.  

Bush Lied.  Again.  Get used to it.
Title: Lesson: Political Math (Racial abilities, Bush, misleading statistics)
Post by: Saurdaukar on January 20, 2004, 06:31:51 PM
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Title: Lesson: Political Math (Racial abilities, Bush, misleading statistics)
Post by: Martlet on January 20, 2004, 06:38:19 PM
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
WERE GONNA WIN IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, AND WERE GONNA WIN IN ARKANSAS, AND WERE GONNA WIN IN ALABAMA, AND IN NEW YORK, AND IN ILLINIOS, AND IN PENNSYLVANIA, AND IN VERMONT, AND IN NEW JERSEY!!!  AHHHHH!!!  I AM THE SON OF LUCIFER AND THE LORD OF THE ANAL RINGS!  FIIYAHH!!


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Title: Lesson: Political Math (Racial abilities, Bush, misleading statistics)
Post by: miko2d on January 20, 2004, 06:47:14 PM
To be fair, the idea that one can wipe out a performance gap between whites and blacks - or any other real or perceived problem - by throwing taxpayer's money at it was a predominantely liberal/democratic mantra - untill Bush adopted it with his "no child left behind" big-government scam.

 He is just a current president repeating that nonsense but I am sure any other republicrat in his place would cite how the fradulent programs "work" in "reducing the gap" and just need more money to completely eliminate it.

 miko
Title: Lesson: Political Math (Racial abilities, Bush, misleading statistics)
Post by: Batz on January 20, 2004, 07:47:02 PM
Sure any Dem or Repub would take credit for this type of hype. Do a search on how some Mayors, city councils and Chief of Police reduced crime. They simple re-classified certain crimes and put them in a different category. Then claimed their policies stopped real crime.

Remember Kansas Cities School crisis, a judge order them to spend millions of dollars because the predominately minority schools were falling behind. Well they spent every dollar and ultimately bussed in White students and claimed success.

In my county the schools do poorly on the FCAT (standardized test) so they now spend 1 month before the test with a copy of it going over the answers. They are simply “studying the test”. Even then there’s no remarkable improvement.
Title: Lesson: Political Math (Racial abilities, Bush, misleading statistics)
Post by: miko2d on January 20, 2004, 07:56:03 PM
Batz: ...They simple re-classified certain crimes and put them in a different category.

 There was a real drop in crime. As I have researched and posted three years ago and a famous economist published recently, most of it is explained by the legalisation of abortion in 1973.

 miko
Title: Lesson: Political Math (Racial abilities, Bush, misleading statistics)
Post by: Stringer on January 20, 2004, 08:25:24 PM
And after all that money Batz, the district lost it's certification for a while.
Title: Lesson: Political Math (Racial abilities, Bush, misleading statistics)
Post by: Gunslinger on January 20, 2004, 08:28:52 PM
so does that mean affirmative action is working or not?  I dont read good!
Title: Lesson: Political Math (Racial abilities, Bush, misleading statistics)
Post by: miko2d on January 20, 2004, 08:32:30 PM
Sure, the Affirmative Action is working.
 It gives a lot of undeserving members of minorities priviliges at the expence of the the deserving members of the majorities, exposes customers to inferior service and by placing people into positions they cannot handle it creates stereotypes that blacks and women are inferior.
 And it feeds a whole lot of lawyers, politicians and "educators".

 miko
Title: Lesson: Political Math (Racial abilities, Bush, misleading statistics)
Post by: Batz on January 20, 2004, 08:53:38 PM
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Originally posted by Stringer
And after all that money Batz, the district lost it's certification for a while.


You would know better then me, I live in Florida. There was an editorial in the local paper a few days ago about our schools and spending more money and the Kansas schools were brought up.

Miko,
I was referring to certain cities not at the overall national crime rate. I believe Washington DC and a few others were the cities involved. I don't recall offhand.

With an uninformed electorate Politico's can get away with all sorts of shell games.
Title: Lesson: Political Math (Racial abilities, Bush, misleading statistics)
Post by: Gyro/T69 on January 20, 2004, 09:38:26 PM
Hey Batz
Did Florida hire Clifford Janey from Rochester N.Y. for the K-12 Education Chancellor job? If your state did, you’re screwed.
Title: Lesson: Political Math (Racial abilities, Bush, misleading statistics)
Post by: midnight Target on January 20, 2004, 09:48:01 PM
The flaw in your math miko, is that you assume the test was made easier.

Prove it.
Title: Lesson: Political Math (Racial abilities, Bush, misleading statistics)
Post by: miko2d on January 21, 2004, 09:14:24 AM
midnight Target: The flaw in your math miko, is that you assume the test was made easier.

 I guess you've missed those statements of mine or have trouble with reading comprehension:

miko: The achievements of blacks and whites could have increased or the passing score could have became easier to achieve...

miko: I would not speculate whether there was real performance improvement of both whites and blacks on the test or the test was "dumbed down"



 What "flaw in my math" are you talking about? I have calculated four numbers - four gaps between average scores of the groups based on their treshhold values using a basic statistical technique. Each case calculation is completely independent from the other three, does not use any data from the other three cases and does not depend on the existance of the other cases at all.

 Whether the test was dumbed down or performance improved only has a bearing on why the treshhold values changed from year to year. Since it does not matter in the least why the treshhold numbers are what they are, only their numerical values relative to each other in that particulat case, how could it possibly affect the formula?

 The only assumptions I made are:
1)  that the test-scoring abilities are normally distributed (Gaussian bell curve) - which is not only a well know fact but is a requirement for creating and calibrating the valid tests.
 and
2) that black standard deviation is about 0.9 of the white one - a minor assumption not substantially affecting the results and easily justifiable.

 In a normal distribution it is a simple step to convert from a percentile to the standard deviations from the mean. That allows us to find the mean score - the score that half of the sample scored below and half above.
 Knowing two scores for two populations, we calculate the gap - independently for each case. The gaps just happen to be very close in all four cases which shows that the relative performance of blacks  compared to whites did not improve. Both blacks and whites may have improved - in which case someone can take credit for overall improvement. But there was no reduction of a relative racial performance gap, so anyone trying to take credit for that is a crook.


NC 1992-93
 63.4% whites passed the treshhold. That means the whites' average score is 0.36 white Standard Deviation below the treshhold - using standard Z-table lookup.
 30.1% blacks passed the treshhold. That means the blacks' average score is 0.5 black Standard Deviation above the treshhold.

 AvgScore White = Treshhold Score + 0.36 wSD
 AvgScore Black = Treshhold Score - 0.5 bSD

 Delta Avg Score = AvgScore White - AvgScore Black =
   Treshhold Score + 0.36 wSD - (Treshhold Score - 0.5 bSD) =
 0.36 wSD + 0.5 bSD.

 If the black and white SD were the same, adding them up would yield 0.86 SD difference between average scores.
 Assuming black SD is 0.9 of white SD, 0.36 * 0.9 +  0.5 = 0.90 black Standard Deviations difference between the average scores of white and black samples.

 Why the treshholds shift from case to case does not matter. Do the average scores shift? They would if the test was the same and the abilities of the students really improved. We have no idea and neither do we care since we calculate them relative to the pass treshold score - which we do not know and which gets eliminated from the calculation. All we know is that on each of the four independent tests I've analysed a score that is bested by 50% of whites is only bested by 16-18% of blacks.

 miko