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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on January 20, 2004, 07:09:52 PM
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Facts, strictly the facts.
http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2002/html/19997.htm
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Maybe strk can give us a number?
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Hmmm... looks like a steady decline (with a few spikes) since 1987.
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Bit premature don't you think Rip...lets see what the '03 report says when it comes out in the Spring. I can tell you that 186 Americans have died from terrorist activity from May to December '03 alone.
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That link also show that most people that died on 9/11 weren't American.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
That link also show that most people that died on 9/11 weren't American.
Yes they were! And... the hijackers were from Iraq, damnit!
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Originally posted by Thrawn
That link also show that most people that died on 9/11 weren't American.
Anyone have the actual breakdown? I think 'most' is pushing it.
I seem to recall roughly 80% of the total being US citizens (85% if we count Canada)
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I was pretty freaken surprised when I saw the number myself.
My source is Rip's link which is a US Department of State site, "Released by the Office of the Coordinator for Counterterrorism".
1,440 US citizens died as a result of international terroism in 2001.
"As of October 29, 2003, 2,995 people were presumed dead as a result of all four September 11 attacks. This includes the casualties at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, on the airplanes and the hijackers."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_Terrorist_Attack/Casualties#Casualties
2,995 - 1440 = 1,555 (non-American casualites).
At least that's how it reads to me. :confused:
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$4.95. Half off sale.
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Originally posted by crowMAW
Bit premature don't you think Rip...lets see what the '03 report says when it comes out in the Spring. I can tell you that 186 Americans have died from terrorist activity from May to December '03 alone.
Not quite sure "terrorist activity" is the right word to use. Maybe guerrilla activity or something. Be somewhat different if they were on our soil shooting at Americans, but since we are over on their soil, I'm not sure it would be considered "terrorism".
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wow, look at how high it was during the reagan/bush sr years. I wonder how low we could get it if we used some of the funds being spent on Iraq for fighting terrorism.
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Since 'price tag' was brought up, I did some digging to find some perspective. The New York State Finance Committee estimated the economic impact of the 9/11 terrorist attacks through 2003 as $639 Billion to the US, and $22 Billion to NY state, as sited by a GAO report to congress.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Not quite sure "terrorist activity" is the right word to use. Maybe guerrilla activity or something. Be somewhat different if they were on our soil shooting at Americans, but since we are over on their soil, I'm not sure it would be considered "terrorism".
The State Department numbers include terrorist casualities world wide...the attacks do not have to be on US soil. Further, they include guerrilla type activities of Palistinians against Isrealis. The State Department set the rules of counting...if we exclude the guerrilla activities in Iraq, then the PLO et-al cannot be labled terrorists.
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Wow. Didnt know the breakdown was that even.
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I guess iraq fell into the memory hole.
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Originally posted by Virage
I guess iraq fell into the memory hole.
Iraq is occupied by foreign forces. Its not considered terrorism. And before you say "What about Palestine? They're 'occupied'?" read the first paragraph on the first chart.
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http://www.costofwar.com
And that's just for Iraq.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Iraq is occupied by foreign forces. Its not considered terrorism. And before you say "What about Palestine? They're 'occupied'?" read the first paragraph on the first chart.
"In past years, serious violence by Palestinians against other Palestinians in the occupied territiories was included in the database of worldwide international terrorist incidents because Palestinians are considered stateless people."
The data excluded pertains to Palestinian on Palestinian violence. It does not exclude Palestinian on Isreali violence in the "occupied territories".
However, the way the Administration will weasel out of calling the guerrilla action in Iraq "terrorism" is by saying that it is a combat zone with active hostilities. That allows them to say that any armed or on duty soldier is fair game.
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Originally posted by Gixer
http://www.costofwar.com
There were 167,040,999 tax filers in '02 (that's every entity, not just individuals and corporations). That means today each of us taxpayers owes $580.69!
So because all those Reps could not spend my tax dollars fast enough I'm going to eventually have to give my tax break BACK and then some...plus interest! If that is what Repugnatcans call tax relief...I don't want it. Jesus, where is Barry Goldwater when you need him...I want a SMALLER government and LESS spending and NO deficit.
Personally, I don't feel any safer with Iraq being free (neither do a lot of Americans survey (http://www.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/results/8568.html) ). I really did not give a crap about their freedom anyway. But I'm gonna have to pay $580 (for this year) to give someone I don't care about their freedom...freedom they did not care enough about to pay for themselves. Maybe the rest of you bleeding hearts give a quarter a day to Sally Struthers so little Juan can have a bowl of cold oatmeal, but not me. I guess I am just an old time conservative...not many of us left with the wave of neo-cons.
Any you Bush-boys wanna pick up my portion? I'll send you my paypal address so I can bill you this year...and the next...and the next...and the next...
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crow=isolationists
crow i see a strange character in u..which few people are the same...
1) u seem to really feel repulsed by our President Bush
2) You seem to hate the people who hate bush..the wackos left wing bleeding heart liberals
dont find that one very often
btw also..lmfao.."sally Struthers"..you gusy see that South Park episode with Cartman in the Africa w/ fatasStruthers? frikn funnny
Love
BiGB
xoxo
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Yes they were! And... the hijackers were from Iraq, damnit!
The hijackers were Saudi nationals
Karaya
The "WAr on Terrorism" is as effective as the "War on Drugs"
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
crow=isolationists
Youbetcha...I'm not into nation building...and funny Bush claimed he wasn't either.
Originally posted by BGBMAW
crow i see a strange character in u..which few people are the same...
1) u seem to really feel repulsed by our President Bush
2) You seem to hate the people who hate bush..the wackos left wing bleeding heart liberals
dont find that one very often
Me, a few million other libertarians and Pat Buchanan (I'm surprised that the WorldNet Daily hasn't booted him for all the Bush bashing he does). I used to be Republican...I voted for Reagan twice and Bush Sr twice...I didn't like Dole so I threw my vote away on Perot just so I would not have to vote for Clinton.
But from the moment I saw Karl Rove running Shrub's campaign tactics and the alliance with the Moral Minority I knew that the party no longer represented conservatives like me. (Plus, I just could not vote for a man who is dumber than me)
The neo-republicans are not about fiscal responsibility. They are like undisciplined children of rich parents who live beyond their means by using credit and then declare bankruptcy when it is inconvenient to pay the bills.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Iraq is occupied by foreign forces. Its not considered terrorism...
MEMORY HOLE (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/08/20030819-1.html)