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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: LePaul on December 26, 2000, 07:15:00 PM
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Spare me the flames as I am not out to rub anyone wrong. I'm just telling you how it is from this computer. Last night, I spent 5 hours playing. Loved it. Tonight, I've played for 30 minutes and its a freaking slideshow.
Forget my configuration, obviously its inferior to what others have. Its just a damn shame that what ran so nicely for months is now just horrible. Sure, I can upgrade from this K62-400 & Voodoo3 3000 into a nice 900 or Gighertz system....but that's a lot of dough just to keep up to play the game.
I got 2 to 3 FPS anywhere near the ships. I rattled away at incoming aircraft in the PT boat, only to watch them slide by, v-e-r-y--s-l-o-w-l-y...not a hit. Launching from the carrier was the same deal.
Like I said, this isn't sour grapes..Im sure 1.05 works great on most of the systems out there. But for me, what worked well yesterday is unplayable today. I'll probably hang it up until I have a faster system that can digest all the intense graphics the carriers/ships/aaa all give.
Sorry, that's how she plays from my console.
Catch y'all later.
Paul
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No flame..(however this area will)..Did your post the problems in the bug report area?
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You can't say forget your configuration. If you're having a problem we need to know your configuration and what conditions it's happening in. Is it in general, is it in heavy traffic, a certain plane, were you not using the hi-res patch before, etc. FWIW, HT and I both use PII 333's with Voodoo IIs. We don't use high-end machines to develop jaw-dropping stuff that only a few other people can appreciate or use. If you're having a problem, we need to know the specifics of it because what you're describing for the system you have does not sound right. If you could frame it according to what you had before under in various conditions compared to now would help too.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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Guys, remember this happened in 1.03 at first as well. TRUST ME, HTC will improve the situation very quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a patch available tommorow, and maybe even a second by the weekend.
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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LePaul,
I've only got a K62-350, Voodoo2 sli, 64mb RAM, I spent 2 hours flying 1.05, and I must say, it works fine for me, i get about 20fps on average, not great but it works. I suggest you have a look and see where you can improve your system. I found that even something small like disabling the modem icon in the system tray makes a huge difference. I do plan to upgrade my machine but only cause I want to, not because i have to.
Don't give up on it yet! Your machine sounds superior to mine.
BTW: HTC, Great job on 1.05, cant wait for the next scenario!
Regards,
Gremlin
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Pyro, I've got the same opinion as LePaul. Anywhere else, frame-rates are just fine if a little slow. But that's my machine. If I get anywhere around a fleet my system either goes into slideshow mode or locks up. The fleet simply chews up too much horsepower for low-end systems. As a reference, here's a batch of FR-markers from 1.04P5 with the hi-rez patch and 1.05:
In B-17, on runway (small field): 12
B-17 in flight: 16
Bf-109G10 in flight: 17-19
Yak-9U on runway (small field): 11
Yak-9U in flight near large field: 8 (12 w/o hi-rez)
Fw-190A5 in flight near fleet: 2
F6F on carrier deck: 4
Pt-boat near fleet: 3
Fw-190 in flight over Luzon: 22
Yak-9U in flight over Stalingrad: 21
Panzer driving around: 17 (27 w/o hi-rez)
As you can see, even though I have a 3 year-old system I can play fine. But the ships simply chew up too much computing power. The hi-rez patch has some benefits for flying, but vehicles suffer quite a bit. System specs are below:
P-200 MMX
512k cache
32 megs SDRAM
3.2 gig HDD
Creative Blaster Banshee, 16 megs SDRAM onboard
Dx 6.1
Win 95 (4.00.950B)
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Flakbait
Delta 6's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
"With all due respect Chaplian, I don't think God wants to hear from me right now.
I'm gonna go out there and remove one of His creations from this universe.
And when I get back I'm gonna drink a bottle of Scotch like it was Chiggy von Richthofen's blood and celebrate his death."
Col. McQueen, Space: Above and Beyond
(http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6/htbin/custom1.jpg)
[This message has been edited by flakbait (edited 12-26-2000).]
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flak your system is below the minimum machine spec listen on the aces high webpage, it doesnt have to and should not be supported, IMO. It is a 4 year old machine technology wise, afterall, predating WB 2 even i believe?
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One more thing:
What really helped for me was when bloom25 posted some information on better frame rates. That was many months ago...however, the information is still accessible at:
HTC >>> FAQ's >>> How can I improve my framerates?
Hope this will help.
Ozark
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332nd Flying Mongrels (http://www.ropescourse.org/flying.htm)
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OK I have same issues near fleets or large furballs now (i.e framing issues)
PIII 550, 192 megs of ram, Asus MB, AGP Diamond Viper 770 Ultra, 56k modem
I normally run in the 50's for FPS and RARELY drop to 40's or 30's but today I was framing quite abit near fleets or large furballs, some of this is due to the large traffic load I am sure, as my net status showed numerous spikes. I also got some nasty close in warps also caused by the server/connection load I suspect.
The new version is a great effort and I applaud all at HTC for the effort and I am sure some patches will be out soon, but unfortunately as we all know it MUST BE tested under LOAD and HTC has NO other way to do it other than putting it up and getting some DECENT and FAIR feedback WITHOUT all the carping
BigJim
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Zig I am well aware of that. Have been for some time. Looking at getting a new system if the tax return is fairly healthy. Until then I'm stuck with this rust bucket. If you believe my system shouldn't be supported, that's your opinion. But I can't afford to blow $1,400 on a new comp, and parts around here are far from cheap. I am simply saying that many people are having FR problems with 1.05 around ships. From low-end systems to P3's. I can fight, and kill, with my usual frame rates. But 3-7 FPS around ships on my end tells me there's something wrong. This means guys running faster comps aren't getting much better.
Look at the difference in hardware and software. Gatt is getting dumped and he's got a P3. Other guys have P3's, GeForce 2 cards, and are getting the same FR I am! It'll get fixed, of that there's no question.
I posted a bug list here:
Bugs I've seen (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum6/HTML/001655.html).
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Flakbait
Delta 6's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
"With all due respect Chaplian, I don't think God wants to hear from me right now.
I'm gonna go out there and remove one of His creations from this universe.
And when I get back I'm gonna drink a bottle of Scotch like it was Chiggy von Richthofen's blood and celebrate his death."
Col. McQueen, Space: Above and Beyond
(http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6/htbin/custom1.jpg)
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Hey guys, thanks for not flaming (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Here is my system:
AMD K62-400 Mhz
128 mb ram
20 gb ide hdd
awe64 sound
3dfx voodoo3 3000 agp
directx 8
windows 98 + latest updates
MSIE 5.5 + all updates
With 1.05, if I go near a vessel, FPS goes down to 2-3. If i aim for the sky, I go back to 17 to 22.
Im running the game in 1024 x 768 mode. Ive gained back some FPS as I was 1280 x 1024.
I've been told the AMD K6 is weak in the FPU department, and suffer similar slow rates in 1.04 with smoke and such. The smoke is annoying, yet livable for me.
I'll get more data for you in regards to FPS in other areas. So far, in 1.05, Im having a hard time with the carriers all around, i seem to vanish in them when taking off/landing from outside views.
Also, the computer has a really tough time with the pointer if I am in the ship hangar and there is action going on.
I gave up on the OnLine/Main Arena and played on H2H for a few hours. I just couldnt give up so easily after dying to play this game all day (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) If its just little ole me in the boat/plane, things arent so bad. But add in a lot of people, effects, ships or aaa and again, the low frame rates resume.
I've turned clutter off and even shortened the horizon. Any other enhancements you can suggest?
Paul
[This message has been edited by LePaul (edited 12-26-2000).]
[This message has been edited by LePaul (edited 12-26-2000).]
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Bummer that you are having problems. I'm running a PIII 500 with VoodooIII, and I have no problems at all. Perhaps you should go back and reset your settings, go to a lower resolution? Or perhaps your conn was crappy?
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Bummer that you are having problems. I'm running a PIII 500 with VoodooIII, and I have no problems at all. Perhaps you should go back and reset your settings, go to a lower resolution? Or perhaps your conn was crappy?
I've never seen 176 people in the Main Arena. Im sure that was part of the lag/ frame rate but not all of it. I have a cable modem here and pings have been very slow tonight. Much much slower than usual...but again, in H2H mode, anything with the boats and ack clobbers me
Paul
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Add me to the list of people with frame rate problems
ASUS mb
celeron II 566
Geforce 1 32mb
128mb 133mhz ram
13 gig hd
running @ 1280 resolution, 16 bit colour
I get 7-9 fps near carriers and around half what I used to everywhere else.
Always had hi res patch installed.
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://www.geocities.com/nirfurian/stSanta.jpg)
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flakbait: pricewatch.com
build ya a box from scratch.
I've got a few frame rate issues, though not as bad as others. In the real heavy action I'll drop under 10. In 1.04 with everything at a base that could be smoking, smoking, I'd get 2-3fps. driving a ptboat through all the ack of the fleet and a score of friendly and enemy pt boats around i was getting 7-8.
I do get weird static-popping accompanied by corresponding joystick spikes (press a key, like talking on the radio, stick spikes) that are strong enough to disengage the autopilot. If I'm really on a roll, typing several messages quickly, I can trigger the anti-stick stirring code.
AMD K6-2 400 on a Via 503+ board (I know this board has a few issues)
Diamond Viper 770ultra
128mb RAM
SB Live!
dx7a
win98se w/ updates as of 12/20
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The AMD K6 chip is your problem...HTC does not support that chipset.
Sorry, but an intel or newer athlon is the solution.
Ice
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What do you mean "HTC does not support the AMD K62" ? I'd love to see that backed up with documentation since I didnt see that anywhere in the info when I installed Aces High many months ago.
What IS IT with people dropping in here and always blaming our system CPUs, namely the K62? Sure, its not a Duron or Athlon by any means, but there is a lot of them around, and I can play a lot of other games just fine with it...titles such as Falcon 4.0 and others.
Looking forward to the patch already (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Paul
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I had an AMD system that was 500 mhz and it sucked for framerates in AH. I found a Pentium III on Ubid.com for $800 with a cd burner DVD player and a 40 gig hard drive. Frame rates are fine now....if only I can get back home to my system. Damn company picks the first week of 1.05 to send me out on the road. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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i guess they`re right about the K6.
AMD sucked ,now they`re good,but it wasn`t the case `till they came out with they Duron.
try to close all programs running in the background,that might help.
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OK...take it personally...was just trying to shed some light.
Keep that good old chip and enjoy the Sim (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Ice
PS...As a good friend of mine always says..."No good deed goes unpunished".
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My system runs good except in the high traffic area where 99 PT boats and 75 A/C are all in a one square mile area!! hehe (aint it great)
The frames are good but the warpage is from star wars.
I run a amd ath 800 with 3dfx 5500 and 4xffsa and my FR is a rock steady 36 no matter what.
RU
BSS
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The K6-2 did not have a secondary cache on it. It also had woefull floating point capabilities. The new AMDs are much better.
Time to try to scrape together $150 to quadrouple the power of your current system. You should be able to get a decent AMD or Intel CPU/MoBo combo for that price. 700 MHz or faster.
The K6-2 is not a good gaming processor.
AKDejaVu
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I posted this elsewhere but I figured I'd post here also, since this thread has a lot about frame rates. Hopefully HTC will find something, because it is pretty strange that people with much better systems than mine have problems far worse than I do.
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I am going to have to check frame rates again when I get home.
When I first dl'd 1.05 and got in, there were only 8 or so of us in there. I made several passes at an enemy cv group with little frame rate loss. Same with driving a PT boat and attacking. Also some takeoffs and landings on a carrier.
It may be important to note that at this time, there was only one enemy PT boat with the group, and all the defense was otto.
Later in the evening, I manned guns on the carrier. At this time, my FR was way low, under 10 most of the time. However, it may be important to note that
a) there were many friendly planes and PT boats in icon range (probably 8-10 pt boats alone)
b) there were many enemy PT boats (again, probably 8-10) and some planes in range, trying to destroy the group
c) there was a ton of ack firing and of course, a ton of lead flying through the air.
d) enemy cv group was within visual distance (probably 10k).
e) the "visual limit" was probably being put to the test most of the time
I think all that added stress took my frame rate way down. Earlier in the day, as I said, I had no problems with FR.
Six hours does not make a trend for me, I will try again tonight and see what happens. All-in-all, I am pretty pleased so far (one lockup and one dump - not been able to recreate yet). I was scared about my computer when smoke first came out (and it still works ok for me) and I was scared about all the new goodies killing my computer (with 1.05). So far I have not seen it, execpt in extreme circumstances (fingers crossed).
I have always been running the hi-res and also the 1024x700 (or whatever it is) with 16 color.
System specs, in case it matters (no laughing allowed):
System specs:
Gateway Pentium Pro 200mhz
128 meg RAM
Creative Labs Graphics Blaster 16meg Riva TNT
Cable Modem
20gig HD
Saitek X36
Dx8.0
<No comments about my sub-standard specs. The game is still playable for me.>
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I own an AMD K6-2 300, an AMD K6-III 450 and an AMD Athlon 700.
The K6s are great at productivity and 2D games like StarCraft (especially the K6-III due to its tri level cache) but the Athlon just wastes them, many times over, on 3D games.
Today you can get a Microstar motherboard with a 900mhz Athlon "Thunderbird" (the kind of Athlon with embedded L2 cache) and a cooling fan for $202.00. (www.pricewatch.com (http://www.pricewatch.com))
This setup should be compatible with all of your existing hardware.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Sisu
-Karnak
[This message has been edited by Karnak (edited 12-27-2000).]
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I only really have problems when geting anywhere near the ships. PT boats are not a problem but anything bigger is.
Just goes really slideshowwey. Which makes CV landings diffiuclt.
AMD K63 450mhz
128mb ram
Blaster Banshee 16meg
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It looks like the K6 seems to be the common thread here. Is it a constant slow down in frame-rate or just around the CV's when a lot of ack is coming up? The weak link is probably in the FPU because it's getting hit hard when there's that much shooting going on.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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Originally posted by Pyro:
It looks like the K6 seems to be the common thread here. Is it a constant slow down in frame-rate or just around the CV's when a lot of ack is coming up? The weak link is probably in the FPU because it's getting hit hard when there's that much shooting going on.
Nah...had a P3 550MHz Intel processor and had a major slowdown near enemy carriers. Dont think its limited to AMD chips.
-Ding