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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: eskimo on November 04, 2000, 04:11:00 AM
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Several of us Buccaneers have been wanting the ability to rescue downed pilots who are stranded in enemy territory. We often simulate a rescue by landing and taxiing up to the downed flier's chute or plane. He then .efs and joins the rescuer in flight. The problem is that he is captured when he .efs and it counts as an extra sortie when he joins another plane.
It would be very cool if HTC could could model a .rescue command that would allow a chute or ditched pilot to join another multi-seat aircraft or G.V. that is parked within, say 50'. Eventually rescues could even show up on the score page.
For HTC to go through the bother of implementing a rescue feature, however, many customers would have to voice that they would like and use the feature.
So if you like the idea and would use it, please post so on this petition.
eskimo
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Yep, I'm all for it! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Regards
'Nexx'
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I like it!
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Sounds great - had a simulated rescue by BUG322 during the HST. It was great watching the goon landing, then running for the open door (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cheers
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It would be a nice feature. So yes.
-Westy
(till we start hearing, "YOU S.O.B! Don't you just fly by. Rescue me. Come back here you lazy AH!!! You Jackash! You could have saved me and my points!)
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I think it's a great Idea . I participated in a simulated rescue in a med league frame and thought it would be a very enjoyable option .
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Good idea. I hate leaving a fellow pilot's behind.
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Sounds good to me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Yes, this would add yet another cool dimension to the game. I'm for it!
Gustav
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I like it! Should be limited to aircraft like C-47 or others that did documented rescues.
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I would love this feature!
Jarbo
of the Buccaneers
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That is a great idea. Documented rescues were made in fighters as well as transports and rescue aircraft. Ground vehicles are OK too obviously.
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Great idea (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by -duma- (edited 11-04-2000).]
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Hi
lackey, Not just multiseat planes, there were many times when 109s and 190s landed and rescued their friends by stuffing them in the fuselage through the radio acces hatch. Hartmann once carried 3 or 4 of his ground crew in there, and at least one guy put his wife in there and flew west to surrender to allies. Plus ive seen photos of a combat cameraman going along for a flight in the rear of a 190 fuselage, filming through the acces hatch.
thanks GRUNHERZ
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Yep Grunherz there are similar stories for Allied fighters. Quite a few guys went home on the lap of their squaddie. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Although the idea is great for scenarios, I'm not sure it will be practical in the MA. I don't see the average arena man, sit and wait for a goon at least 10 minutes, assuming that the goon didn't got shot down.
Now maybe if u got a 5 kill run or more, then people will be whilling to do the trip or wait.
I'm not getting pessimistic, I think it's what will happen.
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I think its a great idea. I just hope it doesnt bring out the chute killers.
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YES!
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Good idea, so YES!
Maik
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Yep Grunherz there are similar stories for Allied fighters. Quite a few guys went home on the lap of their squaddie.
And we all know how much fun that is, don't we? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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This would be a great addition.
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Great Idea...would also give dual use if we add "spotting" planes for artillery.
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Ive read accounts of 47s, 38s, 109s, 190s picking up buddy behind enemy lines...
If a 109 can do it..anything can do it.
Problem is the ac is severly hampered in that state. How would the manuverability of the AC be modeled with buddy on your lap. Also neither can wear his parachute in that state so no bailing once you have done it..
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I'm fer it! We've had a blast doing simulated rescues.
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One of the best ideas i've heard.
sax
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Yes i whant this !!!!!
It can give some new aspect on game
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I've been wanting this feature for a long time. Any plane should be able to rescue downed airmen with a consequential handicap in performance. I doubt it would start people chute shooting. Instead, I think enemies would circle waiting for rescuers to vulch. So a rescue operations might involve some cover. I think it would encourage more cooperative missions. It would add an element of combat totally ignored by other sims. Do it!
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Rust
(http://home.earthlink.net/~rocketace/_uimages/rust.jpg)
The Free French Air Force
[This message has been edited by rust (edited 11-04-2000).]
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I think it's a cool idea, and hope to see this feature in the near update. But as a complete newbie(or a pony dweeb? what's the difference between a dweeb and a newbie? I'm curios) I'm afraid somthing like this... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Runstang: Help! I'm downed again, SE of A16, 1 mile.
Someguy : What? you again?
OtherOne : Hey, I rescued him just 5 min ago!
Someguy : Don't waste my time, just hit .ef dweeb! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
......or suppose the plane just rescued some other pilot and vulched by enemies waiting by the downed pilot. Now two pilots wating for a rescue, if same thing happens again, it will be three, four, and on and on to become long line of pilots waiting for the ride like a bus stop.
Don't mean to be sarcastic, just curios about it.
Runstang
P.S. : Anyone know good squad for a P51 newbie to join?
[This message has been edited by Runstang (edited 11-04-2000).]
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy:
Although the idea is great for scenarios, I'm not sure it will be practical in the MA. I don't see the average arena man, sit and wait for a goon at least 10 minutes, assuming that the goon didn't got shot down.
Now maybe if u got a 5 kill run or more, then people will be whilling to do the trip or wait.
I'm not getting pessimistic, I think it's what will happen.
..but the guy would of course have an option to exit and get captured instead.
or get his scores saved by waiting for that 10 minutes.
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Definately gets my vote. And I think it a successful rescue should be 'rewarded' very well, be it with points, or some other 'perk', it would no doubt be a difficult task the majority of the time in the MA, as it should be.
<S> blue
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M-3 Pickups wouldn't be bad idea either.
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would be great for scenarios.
htc could also make so in scenarios once you are killed, you cant fly for a certain period of time, or you just cant fly again (one "life") if you are captured in enemy territory, you cant fly again. If you fall on friendly territory near an airfield, you can .ef and fly again.
the thing is, if you fall over enemy territory or far from a base, you can be rescued and go back up.
should also have the option for the enemy to take halftrack patrols to capture downed airmen, or just strafe them and kill them (tho i prefer the earlier option)
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In scenarios if you bail....
how about so that you can takeoff in a plane *if* you exit at the runway.
but if you ditch or get captured, no fly for you today.
So.. M3 or C-47 could come and pick you up, then carry you back to the base runway.
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YES and Lysander/Storch plz.
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Then there was the time when I was shot down over a vehicle base while trying to bomb it. As I floated down into the valley, I decided to sit there on the valley floor (actually, I was slightly above it on the lower part of the cliff-face) and watch the action for a while. I didn't want to be captured, just yet, and the action was interesting.
A few minutes later, I saw a message on the radio bar: "Buhdman, get in"
I looked to my left, and there was Eskimo in his B-17, idling, waiting for me to "get in".
I ".efluffied" and ".joined" and he took off.
To make a long story short (my wife is standing over my shoulder), we took off and as he circled the newly spawned VH, I, as nose/waist gunner (he was out of tail and top-turret ammo), was able to waste the VH and the field was eventually captured by Sunchaser.
We flew home to a friendly field and both "survived". Had we had this feature, we truly would have survived!!
I'm in!
Buhdman, out
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Walt (buhdman) Barrow
(formerly lt-buhd-lite)
The Buccaneers - "Return with Honor"
home.earthlink.net/~wjbarrow
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That was a good one Walt. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And then there was the mission that was a planned rescue op. from the start. Buhdman intentionaly ditched behind enemy lines. Here are three of our after-action reports:
C-47-1 eskimo
Once General Patton heard that his "Loverboy" (Sgt. Barrow) was down, he ordered the rest of the Buccaneers to
rescue him at all costs.
The C-47 seemed pretty sluggish compared to my usual P-38, "Sgt. Hall and His Unfeasibly Large Testicles", but it
was a breeze to fly. I climbed to 10K before crossing the mountains. I spotted Sgt. Barrows crashed P-38 at about
20 miles out and dove down at 270 mph. At 10 miles out I spotted bogies high to the West and called them out to
the lucky bastards who got to fly planes with guns.
I touched down and taxied up to Sgt. Barrows (Buhdman) P-38. As I approached I saw a parachute wrapped
around the left vertical stab. My eyes traced the chute cords 20' back to a lump that I soon realized was Sgt.
Barrow. With a dogfight erupting above me I dashed out of the 47's cargo door toward Sgt. Barrow. My mind was
racing, trying to figure out what had happened. It suddenly all made sense. Sgt. Barrow never wears his harness,...
and always flies with the canopy open. The S.O.B. opened his parachute inside the plane,... AGAIN! This time,
however, it got caught on the rudder. His plane must have dragged him around for the better part of an hour
before it ran out of gas and glided in. It's hard to imagine that he could have survived being dragged on the ground
behind his un-piloted P-38 at 120 mph as it slid to a stop, but I am sure that's what must have happened. The long
shallow pond behind his 38 probably saved his life! Just his luck that he survived the ordeal!
My eyes watered as I knelt over him to undo his chute harness because the smell of scotch was so strong (a gift
from Patton, you can bet). His eyes popped open as he awoke from his snooze. He immediately exclaimed,
"HHHHHeeeeeeeeeyyyyy ......eeski...mowww!!". He then proceeded to vomit on my blouse, and passed out. "Sgt.
Barrow, drunk as always", I thought to myself. I threw him over my shoulder, marched back to the 47, and shoved
him though the cargo door.
I then proceeded to take off to the east, away from the fight. I got a glimpse of a 190, but the buccaneers chased
it off. It wasn't long before I heard that oosik and Delta had gone down. oosik was now dead and Delta needed a
rescue. ...Thanks Sgt. Barrow. I debated going back for Delta. Knfe called me back to get him, and Whitey told me
to head back to base. I turned back for Delta four times, but on each occasion spotted multiple bogies. My squad
was now anchored, and more Buccaneers were going down, ... Gronk, and then ...Camel. I shamefully decided to
run for home (as knfe repeatedly pointed out). Sabre managed to find me and escort me home. An N1k and FW-190
were driven off so that I could land safely.
I just hope that Patton is happy.
eskimo
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Eskimo,
You had better watch your six, good buddy ! That's not the way it happened at all. Besides, I've never even
met the good general!
I was on a secret, hush-hush, low-level recon mission somewhere in enemy territory. For security reasons, I can't
tell you what I was doing or exactly where I was going. Suffice it to say that it was very, very important. Why else
would they risk such a valuable pilot as myself on a mission so dangerous?
Anyway, I made my way a tree-top and boulder level over the eastern mountains and was making my way
northward over the coastal plains when I heard the dreadful sound of small arms hits and a couple of loud BANGS. I
never saw the troops who got me, but they must have been very good shots. I was traveling at over 360 IAS and
right on the deck. Very good they were, or very lucky. The bottom line is BOTH engines started coughing and
sputtering and emitting gray smoke. I knew I was in for a rough landing on a very short field!
I climbed for what altitude I could grab and had a look around. These coastal areas are pretty tough on landing
gear with all the scrub brush that grows there, but this time luck was on my side. There in the distance, about 2
miles off, I saw some cultivated land. These fields would do nicely for a belly landing.
About that time, my number one engine quit. Skewing wildly to the left, I worked the trim and the controls to
regain control about the time number two bit the dust. I was committed now.
Luck was still with me, for my glide slope put me just past the near end of the plowed field. Must have been corn
there earlier in the year for the stalks still protruded from the dirt clods that formed the furrows. I held her steady
and eased her down very, very slowly until I literally slid into the dirt. I worked the rudders wildly trying to stop
myself before I hit the hedge-row at the other end of the field and managed to stop about twenty-five yards short
of smashing myself into oblivion. It was just about then that I noticed the wet spot in my crotch.
I had gotten off a mayday call before I crashed so I knew help was on the way. That was pre-arranged when the
mission was planned. What I didn't count on was the radio being damaged during the crash landing. I could get a
few words out now and then, but mostly what I transmitted was static. At least, that's all I could hear, so I
presumed that's what I was sending.
I saw a small fire on my right side, but after careful inspection, I realized that it was posing no threat to me or the
aircraft. Still, I figured it would be better if I got out of the plane. Here was where my luck ran out. I had bounced
the plane in a bit when I hit the ground and now the canopy was warped just enough that the door wouldn't pop
open like it usually did. It seemed I was stuck inside until help arrive. Help, or the bad guys, whoever got there
first. Thank god that fire was no threat!
It wasn't long before I saw dots in the sky to my south. I hoped against hope that it was the rescue force, not an
enemy patrol looking for something to shoot. As it turns out, the radio wasn't damaged beyond hope, because I
heard the familiar voice of one of my squad-mates telling the rest of the rescue force that he had spotted me and
was surveying the area for a place to land. The country road next to the field would make a dandy landing strip.
The rest of the story is pretty much as you describe it except for: A. I was not drunk. I have carried that bottle of
scotch on every single mission I have flown in this theater. It must have broken during the crash or been hit by a
small arms round. Believe me, I was terribly disappointed to realize that the spot in my crotch was NOT pee. An B,
my chute got tangled up in the wreckage after you accidentally pulled the rip chord trying to extract me from the
cockpit. If you had let me get out on my own after you pried open the hatch, everything would have been just
fine.
As for the trip home, I was beginning to wonder after the third attempt to go back to my crash site whether or not
you had popped the cork on your own bottle or something. The medic finally reassured me that you were acting
under orders and that if I didn't calm down he would use the rest of the morphine to calm me down. The last thing
I remember about that flight was me screaming a string of profanities and then a slight sting in my leg and then a
beautiful pasture with a most marvelous little stream running through it and … and … a blonde …
buhdman, out
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Walt (buhdman) Barrow
(formerly lt-buhd-lite)
The Buccaneers - "Return with Honor"
home.earthlink.net/~wjbarrow
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Eskimo,
Buhdman,
I took over Alpha Flight (in P-51s) when Alpha Lead (Sabre) had to abort. We were providing cover at roughly 5K
as orderd, with the P-38s at 10K. The 38s becamed engaged with at least 2 enemy cons West of the recovery
area and above 5K.
Two cons came through the 38 cover, a 190 and a Spit. Our flight took care of the 190 in due course. An F4U also
got through the 38 cover and Alpha flight engaged. I wound up in a chase with the F4U and eventually got enough
hits into it that it crashed attempting to ditch.
I turned back to the vicinity of the C-47 and by now we had another (or the same) Spit and a 190 to content
with. I was turning to engage the 190 when the Spit came up on my 6 and poured it into me.
I immediately bailed and landed some 8 or so miles E to ENE of 21. I waited for rescue, but each time either the 47
or fighter approached my location, enemy fighter would appear and drove 'em off.
I heard much discussion on how and with what aircraft to attempt my rescue. But the situation was too hostile for
either the 47 or the fighters to attempt a landing at my location.
At one point, an enemy dove on my ground position firing. I did a snake dance and to my amazement, he missed.
He was chased off and downed by the remaining 38s and 51s.
I eventually started a walk East toward the coast to facilitate a possible rescue. I managed to cover perhaps 3
miles when first a 190 appeared overhead, but apparently did not spot me or simply ignored me.
A Spit then appeared from the South or SouthWest, overflew my location, turned (180) and proceeded to shoot me
on the ground.
(What a d** s***)
delta
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I vote aye!
Wilfrid
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It would be cool to rescue downed airmen out of the sea with a PBY too.
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ezdoc
48th Fighter Group "Checkertails"
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I'll be spending my time rescuing the sheep from that bad man called "Westy" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
NUTTZ
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i wouldn't mind doing a rescue flt in a C47. but also how about a Sandy flt to cover your rescue acft. Now that would be fun. with the tanks and M3 in the game, it could be fun to do.
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With the upcoming version to include sea battles, we're gonna need some PBYs to pluck airmen out of the water with.
Yes! I like the idea. adds another dimention to gameplay.
Weave
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Great idea!!
i will use everything: catalina, lisander, jeep, and PTs.
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Sheep for Sale! Sheep for Sale!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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definitely
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Good idea but I don't know how it'd play out. It's hard enough sometimes to get a goon. There would be requests for rescues constantly. Unless it did something great for your score or your squad was online with you, I think you'd have a problem getting pilots.
Eagler
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I'm all for it.
Give a score for rescues (like captures)
how about whenever a buff goes down a crewmember (not neccessarily a player) is left to be rescued?
SKurj