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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Lizard3 on January 23, 2004, 05:56:28 PM
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Bought a Winchester Defender and am going to replace the stock. I'm partial to the shoulder/pistol grip stocks. With all the experts here, I was wondering what your take on them are, and what you would recommend. Maybe a few manufacturers or sites with good prices would be recommended.
On a side note and not to hijack my own thread, but has anyone heard about the latest gun legislation slipped in with the latest spending bill? Supposedly it bans the Feds from keeping any gun purchase paper work beyond 24 hours. Sounds like a victory for privacy and the 2nd in one fell swoop!
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Lizard3
The gun legislation stuff sounds to good to be true? Where did you hear it?
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try this link,. they seem to be discussing this very issue..
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=401&start=0
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http://www.deltaforce.com
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I thought about installing a pistol grip on my Mossberg 835, but I deferred. I spoke with other shotgun owners who had done the conversion, and they all felt there had been a loss in accuracy (I know, har har, make a lot of accuracy jokes about shotguns) and that the shooting posture/procedure was more difficult.
That doesn't change the fact that it LOOKS cool.... :D
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Lizard3
The gun legislation stuff sounds to good to be true? Where did you hear it?
Heard it last night on main stream TV national news. Might've been ABC, not sure...don't pay much attention to who's what n where, but this news...delivered with 'OMG what a tragedy' type delivery caught me for a few minutes. Think it was slipped in by a lawgiver from Minnysoda or Montoya. Had quick blurbs by ATF and whatnot saying "No way can we check out all these nefarious private citizens in 24 hours, no way. OMG!!!" etc. etc.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
I thought about installing a pistol grip on my Mossberg 835, but I deferred. I spoke with other shotgun owners who had done the conversion, and they all felt there had been a loss in accuracy (I know, har har, make a lot of accuracy jokes about shotguns) and that the shooting posture/procedure was more difficult.
That doesn't change the fact that it LOOKS cool.... :D
Yeah, thats why I'm thinking the psitola grip/ shoulder stock combo would work well, best of both worlds. Thats why I was asking opinions first though, sometimes best of both ends up master of none. Thought I'd ask...
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If you're going to go that way, get a folding stock with a pistol grip. It's much more versital than just a pistol grip.
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check your local laws. depending on where you live, some places will see a pistol grip or a folding stock and imediatly put the lable "assualt weapon" on it.
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Something to look at, but I believe that even for Cali's misguided laws, the weapon has to be semi-auto. IIRC, the Defender is a 12ga pump.
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I personally can't stand pistol grips on anything but pistols.
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i have fired 12 guages w/ pistol grips..it hurts(hand) after a while..but i supose if u usn for self defense you really wont be shooting many rounds..
collapsable stock defnlty the way to go..
but in California atleast tehy made my 10/22 Ruger ILLEGAL..cause it has a folding stock on it..fuknjerkoffs..
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Was that because your 10/22 is newer? I have a pre-ban 10/22, it's my understanding that I'm allowed 2 modifications under current laws, and those mods could be things like 1. folding stock and 2. laser scope, or something else like that.
If your serial # is 235-10632 or lower, you should be ok.
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To be an assault weapon under Federal law, it would first have to be a semiautomatic shotgun, which is defined as a repeating firearm which utilizes portion of the energy of firing a cartridge to extract the fired cartridge, and chamber the next round. So, as already stated, a pump shotgun (or double barrel) could not be considered a semiautomatic assault weapon.
However, if you do have a semiautomatic shotgun, and are considering putting a pistol grip on it, you do need to be careful. If any two of the following features are on the shotgun, then you have created a semiautomatic assault weapon, and it is controlled by Federal law, and almost certainly State law:
1. A folding or telescopic stock;
2. A pistol grip protruding conspicusouly beneath the action of the weapon;
3. A fixed magazine with the capacity to accept five rounds; or
4. Ability to accept a detachable magazine.
So, if your semiautomatic is like most, its chamber will hold accept five rounds, with no plug in of course. Im not positive, but I suspect this would be defined as a "fixed" magazine for purposes of the Gun Control Act. Thus, that "fixed" magazine combined with the addition of a pistol grip protruding conscipuosly beneath the action of the weapon is likely going to be something that is controlled by Federal Law, and illegal to have without having completed and applied for same.
I also would of course recommend that you check with your local and State laws. Almost all states mirror the Federal Gun Control and and National Firearms Act, or have less stringent requirements. Only a handful restrict in excess of the Federal GCA and NFA, but you might live in one of those.
Nim
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I've got a 12-guage double barreled Remington. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. S-Mart's top of the line. You can find it in the sporting goods department. This sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan; retails for about $199.95. That's right...shop SMART...shop S-Mart! :lol
I hope some one realizes that this is a movie quote and can guess which one.
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I'll let you guys figure it out... not much of a shotgun guy but... mine is a model 97 trench gun with wood straight line stock you can hip shoot it or put it to your shoulder... no hinges or weird crap to get in the way... dependeble. straightforward.
lazs
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Originally posted by crowMAW
I've got a 12-guage double barreled Remington. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. S-Mart's top of the line. You can find it in the sporting goods department. This sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan; retails for about $199.95. That's right...shop SMART...shop S-Mart! :lol
I hope some one realizes that this is a movie quote and can guess which one.
Listen up you primitive screwheads, this is my BOOM STICK!
Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand things with alloys and compositions and things with... molecular structures.
Shop smart, shop S-Mart.
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heheh
231-745367
and
234-84365
suks when soem gusy at range is telln me..whoaa thats a federal offense..
im laffung my asss off..its a frikn 22cal..lolo
BiGB
btw got a new bullbarrel for it w/ red dot scope..so dam fun
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(http://www3.telus.net/public/gcorn1/shotgunadaptor.jpg)
AR15 stock adapter we are currently manufacturing, we have them for 870's, M14/M1A's, and Defenders.
(http://www3.telus.net/public/gcorn1/fabarmsat8.jpg)
I'm running this for my main shottie, I recently did go back to a non-pistol grip stock, as transitioning from shotgun to pistol is turning out to be a pain in the bellybutton as the sling has hung up on the grip a couple of times.