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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Saurdaukar on January 25, 2004, 10:27:34 PM
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How not to remove your hardcore compact race car from a pile of snow.
Right click, save as, and enjoy:
http://www.raptors-lair.com/blu/misc/snowtowcar.wmv
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:eek: HEH!
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LOL!
dago
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Stupid IDea in the first place.... :eek:
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Why didnt they shovel out the snow?
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Looked like a Dodge truck towing a bone stock Geo. Those are domestic tards.
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bah, that will buff right out.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Looked like a Dodge truck towing a bone stock Geo. Those are domestic tards.
Rice is a state of mind - not to be bound by the borders of manufacturing plant location.
The muffler alone gives it that raw, untamed bumble bee sound - which I hear the girls like.
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They must not have heard the "don't jerk the tow strap" lecture.
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That was great!
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The must have heard that the bumper to a ricer isn't structural. Idiots.
Funny idiots.
Lmao. Looking at it a second time, they only rigged it to the plastic bumper.
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What's a ricer?
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Oriental vehicles.
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So all oriental vehicles are ricers?
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Future leaders of America, scary thought:)
shamus
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No, just the ones with high whiny engines. I.E. Rice Rockets, Ricers...
Ever seen the movie The Fast and the Furious? Mostly all ricers.
I.E. Dodge Viper =/= a ricer. Good ole classic american muscle car.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Why didnt they shovel out the snow?
I was wondering the same thing. They actually pulled the Geo into a deeper drift. After the strap started to lift the bumper, you'd think they would've realized that the bumper was weakening. It looked like they had the tow line attached to the little stowage hook located in the front and back of import cars to strap them down during shipment overseas. Those little hooks aren't meant to handle that kind of stress load, hence the reason the whole back end of the car beyond the rear axle came off.
Plus, he had it in gear!
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Bumpers aren't meant to handle much stress at all. That's why you attach lines to the chasis.
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Just think about this......
they will be paying for our retirement etc.....
scary thought!
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OMG that was the funniest thing i've seen in a while....ty for posting it....IDIOTS why didn they shovel it out than pull it STRAIT out of the drivway attacted to an axle or the frame or somthing
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There are some nice cars in the fast and the furious.
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Originally posted by Dowding
There are some nice cars in the fast and the furious.
If your cup of tea is wearing clown makeup, sure, they are 'nice.'
They are not 'fast' however. They just 'look fast.'
Nor are they 'furious.' Cars dont have emotions.
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They are not 'fast' however. They just 'look fast.'
Maybe the mock ups in the film were just that, but generally, 400 BHP, turbo charged cars are not exactly slow.
Nor are they 'furious.' Cars dont have emotions.
'Furious' is not always an emotion.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Rice is a state of mind - not to be bound by the borders of manufacturing plant location.
The muffler alone gives it that raw, untamed bumble bee sound - which I hear the girls like.
That is exactly what defines a ricer. Any car can be riced out.
It started with guys putting stickers and huge spoilers on honda civics and the like then transfered over to domestic cars.
It is easy to spot a ricer. His car has smashed ground effects from his hack job spring cutting lowering of the suspension, stickers from all sorts of aftermarket hi-po companies with names you can't pronounce (even though you wont find a single part on the car actually made by those companies)
They are always clustered in groups in parking lots (not driving, that might give away how slow and crappy their cars really are) talking about the turbochargers and nitrous systems they are going to put on their cars after they finish paying (most likely with their allowance money) off those floormats, powered by Acura seat belt pads (just stupid) and carbon fibre brake, clutch, and gas pedal covers.
If they do have any performance modifications to the engine, it is an aluminum intake extension with a K and N cone airfilter routed directly over the exhaust manifold. A hotter fuel/air charge makes more power right? Oh well I guess it looks "cool."
Another easy way to spot a ricer is if they sit at stop lights and rev the crap out of their engines. An even more accomplished ricer will rev it up to redline right after starting the car with the engine cold to impress all the "honeys" and fellow ricers. Dont worry man, you dont need oil in your valve train, just giver.
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Aaah, so it's the type of people who make their car look faster with body kits etc. Well, that has been around for years and isn't exclusive to Jap cars. It happens with plenty of other marques.
There are plenty of people who do actually make their cars measureably faster. And they are driving Evos and Scoobys etc.
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snow n00bs
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Theres an easy way to tell.
Making a car go fast: Just fine
Making a car look good: Just fine
Making a car 'look fast': Rice
Loser is exactly right. Wings that dont do dick, stickers for parts they dont have, mufflers that actually hurt performance, wheels heavy enough to strain the back of an Olympic lifter, cut springs that 'look low' instead of allow for a lower center of gravity and improved skidpad performance, useless items like 'seatbelt covers' that accomplish zero, 'fake' blow off valves, intakes actually designed to create noise instead of power, body kits stuck on with duct tape, and tail lights that remind me of old toy robot eyes.
Dowding. The actual cars used in the movies were shells. All body, all paint, stock internals for the most part.
In real life, youll find much of the same.
Japanese cars that are tuned for performance are not rice. Rice is the guy at the show that wont open the hood of his Honda Turbo Type RS Supercharged NOS X Type ///M AMG Madphathellafastyo Civic because it says 1.6L SOHC.
If you can get him to open the hood to see whats under the 6 inch hood scoop youre next step is to avoid laughing when he tells you that his mods are 'steath' and 'underneath the engine.'
All show, no go.
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Good summary of rice by Saur. You guys can't imagine how bad it is on the west coast. Not every asian is a ricer, but you have to admit there is a correlation, and we have a way higher asian population than the rest of the country. Every other car has a fart can and a wing, regardless of vintage or make or state of tune. The funny thing is that import enthusiasts out here are probably the most critical of ricers, because there are so many tards giving us a bad name. Some pretty harsh stuff on the local boards. :)
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Like I said before, that behaviour is not restricted to Jap cars. Over here people do that with hot hatches - which are generally Fords, Vauxhalls etc. Half a tonne of body kit powered by an anemic economy motor.
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Saur here's a sticker for ya.
(http://home.earthlink.net/~mikeywaltz/pos.png)
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Originally posted by Shamus
Future leaders of America, scary thought:)
shamus
Aww Hell I am surprised this never happened to any of my buddies. lol
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Give me a basic Dodge viper and I can destroy anyone out there.
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Give me a basic Dodge viper and I can destroy anyone out there.
lol
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Vipers rock. They also cost $85k. :eek:
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Vipers rock. They also cost $85k. :eek:
Ahh, but he can sure kick the crap out of those $12k honda civics with one. Those are some mad skillz.
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If you can pilot a Viper around a track youre familiar with for 10 laps at 9/10th without destroying it, youll have my respect.
Hard enough to keep the thing going in a straight line when you put your foot down.
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Hehehe a 911 driver complaining about oversteer. :D
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Wings that don't do anything:
(http://www.antidumb.com/dump/ohman2.jpg)
In Marin County it seems that most of the guys doing this are Hispanic. There is one Ford F150 that I see around that has a wing over the tailgate, fibreglass body lowering and a purple/blue paint job. Stupidest looking thing ever.
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LMAO! That wing isn't even glued on evenly.
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Originally posted by Trell
Aww Hell I am surprised this never happened to any of my buddies. lol
I'd give 8 to 5 it has
shamus
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Ya know what that is???
Job security. I'll never have to worry about one of those ya-hoos stealing my job.
I believe collectively that the general population is getting dumber every year.
Get a shovel handsomehunk!! Between those 4-5 guy standing around with their hands in their pockets, they could've dug that thing out in two minutes.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Hehehe a 911 driver complaining about oversteer. :D
Now - admittedly Ive never driven a Viper on a racetrack... but Jesus Christ - just sitting in the thing scares you. You never think about it - but when youre in one you cant help to notice how frikken big the thing is - its a landyacht.
The guys that do track them are usually the butt of the day's jokes. Waaaaaay too much car for an amature Senna wannabe.
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Originally posted by Dowding
'Furious' is not always an emotion.
and "task" is not always a verb
and "champion" is not always adjective.
**** i hate modern "engrish"
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Now - admittedly Ive never driven a Viper on a racetrack... but Jesus Christ - just sitting in the thing scares you. You never think about it - but when youre in one you cant help to notice how frikken big the thing is - its a landyacht.
The guys that do track them are usually the butt of the day's jokes. Waaaaaay too much car for an amature Senna wannabe.
I can't help but notice that they beat the snot out of the 911 in FIA GT. :)
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Different classes, Funky. ;)
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Not the turbo, same class. Neener!!!
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Well... well... I HATE YOU! You, you MAN!! You STUPID, STUPID MAN!
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AUAMAMAMAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAH AHAAAAAAAAAAA I R T3H W1N!!!
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LOL
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and "task" is not always a verb
and "champion" is not always adjective.
**** i hate modern "engrish"
Are you saying furious in any context other than emotion is a modern invention? It's been around hundreds of years when meaning an energetic action.
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hey lasersailor, you own a viper?
if ya did i'd give you a lap lead on any road course and then you'd be wavin me by in 5 :)
<-- gonna be at lime rock, ct, this spring
you should see the videos i have of rx7s passing much much faster cars. it's not always about horsepower :)
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You're just a wankel moose.
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Give me a basic Dodge viper and I can destroy anyone out there.
Hell, who needs that? ;) Whats that little "stock" Neon that Dodge puts out that eats just about anything on the road.
The SRT4 ? The sticker on that puppy is about $25K .... If you can find an insurance company willing to insure one, and if you can afford the premium.
I called my insurance company just for sheite and giggles, and they said the premimum would be more than the car payment. LOL!
The really funny thing about rice burners, is that if they took the money they have invested in their after market crap, and put it into a real car. They could actually have a nice agressive little ride.
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What would be the fun in that? Why not start with a fast Jap car to begin with and make it even faster? The people who look disapprovingly often suffer from jealousy regarding the modding of Jap cars - that they would spend the money in another way is completely irrelevant.
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Saurdaukar the original link no longer works. Can you restore it pls? Thks
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Jealously Dowding? LOL! I hope your not refering to me.
I own a classic 1969 Corvette convertible with a 427ci/400hp engine, that not only looks fast, it IS fast . Rice burners don't even rate recognition from me, except as an object of comedic value.
And sure if you have the cash to start out with a fast japanese car, and then you have the loads of cash to make it faster, sure. Go for it. I'm all for it. There are some really nice RX-7's out there, and some of the Evo's and such are nice. But they're pretty rare. And I personally like the look of the new Mazada RX-8, even though I wouldn't buy one.
But my point is that if these guys would take the money they put into Accords and Civics, and add on the $8k+ they spend putting crap onto it. They could have actually gotten a much faster car in the first place, and would probably look better. But they're idiots and prefer plastic ground effects and body decals to a real car.
Hell, even in Too Fast Too Furious 2, they admitted that the ultra fast ricer image is hype when they came up against cars with real power.
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Dowding, Verm was referring to the guys that spend all the money on non-performance-enhancing equipment. That's the ricer M.O. They get a $15k car and install $15k worth of body kits, neon lights, stereo system, shiny rims, etc. They could have spent the $15k on performance modifications or they could have spent the whole $30k on a car that was fast to start with, but they prefer teh r1c3. Of course there are a small percentage of guys who have a car that looks ricey but actually has a ridiculous amount of power, but those are the exception.
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Dowding, Verm was referring to the guys that spend all the money on non-performance-enhancing equipment. That's the ricer M.O. They get a $15k car and install $15k worth of body kits, neon lights, stereo system, shiny rims, etc. They could have spent the $15k on performance modifications or they could have spent the whole $30k on a car that was fast to start with, but they prefer teh r1c3. Of course there are a small percentage of guys who have a car that looks ricey but actually has a ridiculous amount of power, but those are the exception.
Yeah, but do the chicks care? These guys also spend more on a shirt or a pair of pants to go clubbin' in than I spend (and spent in my youth) on an entire wardrobe for the year. Fashion/Style -- for wussies. Looks vs performance, hell, no choice there.
But... A noisy garish "hot" looking car turns heads, allowing the driver to be seen (getting the chick) and then allowing the chick to be seen sitting next to the driver (making her happy). Actually, my scorn is being replaced by admiration :)
Charon
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nothing wrong with installing one hell of a stereo system...
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There is s thin line between ricers and metrosexuals. :)
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Well, we were talking at cross purposes then. People who spend vast sums on cosmetic changes seem to be a litttle misguided. I especially hate the neon lights they put on cars these days, or the blue LEDs you see on the crappiest cars going.
The only person I know who mods cars owns an Evo VII. He's got it at 400 BHP now. :)
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hmm... my 69 ElCamino is dark green and not at all flashy. I can park it near any ricer you can think of and will get at least as much attention... at least by people I would bother to talk to.
My Healey is the other end of the scale. It is pretty outrageous simply because it is something that not many people see very often and the look and sound scream 666.
I have humiliated a lot of moviegoers on the freeway lately .... they don't seem to understand that the object of a big block is to punch holes in the air at very high speed.
lazs
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Yeah Lazs but your vehicles require a certain amount of mechanical skill to put together, if not all that much money. The typical "bad ricer" has lots of money, less brains, and way less mechanical inclination. They are guys who don't know **** about cars beyond what they saw at the movie theater.
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I'm sorry, if it goes "Whee whee whee", it gets no respect at all from me. Not even in the state of a ballpark of jealousy.
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The only person I know who mods cars owns an Evo VII. He's got it at 400 BHP now
Dowding, that could easily be true. And I'm not hacking on your friends car, I'm sure its fast. But don't confuse peak horsepower ratings of a turbocharged car with the peak horsepower rating of a bigblock. The 427's hp to rpm curve is much more linear in comparison to the more exponential shpaed turbo charged engine. In other words they may rate the same at each of their peaks, but over the full range of the engine, the big block is much more powerful.
And if you want to get attention, there is NOTHING like the rumble of a big block entering a parking lot full of ricers to get heads to turn. ;)
But just to get back to my original point about cost versus performance. A recent article in a Hot Rod magazine that my father lent to me, about modding a standard Mustang GT with the 4.6L V8 engine. You can pick up one of these cars in good condition and low miles (one of the earlier years say a 96 thru a 98 or so) for anywhere between $8k and $12k.
There are supercharger kits (the one they featured in the article was the ATI Procharger) available for this car for around $4k to $5k. In the test car for the article, the supercharger is rated for 12-14 lbs boost, but they de-tuned it for this car to 8 lbs boost.
And the performance they were getting was incredible. They claimed almost 378hp at 5,500rpm with 396lb/ft at the wheels on the dyno. And that was just the initial installation tests, with proper setup and testing, they expect well over 400hp. FYI the tests are available at http://popularhotrodding.com
So for somewhere between $12k and $15k you could have a SCREAMING car for a street race, for a few evenings of work looking for a used Mustang and a few weekends of installing the supercharger.
How much did that 400hp in that Evo cost? ;)
Seriously :) no hacking on the Evo I'm sure its nice. But how many kids out there have WAYYYYY more than $15k in their Accords or Civics?
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Brand new from Japan, I think it was £28,000 including import costs. I don't know how much he has spent on it, but it is a fair amount - £10 grand maybe? No cosmetic changes - all under the bonnet. :)
Your points regarding torque curve are perfectly valid, but with AWD I should think getting the power down and under control with a light-weight car and engine, especially on the type of roads we have over here, would be easier compared to a heavy large capacity motor. I also think the 0-60 acceleration would be more favourable for your 'ricer' in most cases. Of course, after this, the pure brute force of your big motor comes into play and would easily beat most your turbo car in the long run. Unless you are driving a 1000 hp Nissan Skyline. ;) But in everyday driving, how often do you get the chance to get up to 120 mph? Over here you'd be lucky if you weren't pulled by the coppers at those speeds, especially down South.
Anyway, I think it's horses for courses. I actually like the sound of your big block, but I prefer the technological wizardry behind the WRC inspired Jap cars. More suited to our twisty narrow roads too - a viper would be rubbish around here.
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dowding actually has a point for once. the roads over there really suck. I would much rather build a light car with a large engine though over there. Huffers and turbochargers are simply a way to make the engine think it is bigger.
you can get all alluminum small blocks and stroke em to 427 inch 500-700 hp is easy. put that is an old healey or some other old british roadster and add a 6 speed... That would work over there and you wouldn't have to be seen in a evo or whatever.
my Healey is mre for nostalgia but.. it weighs 2200 lbs. I am in "mild" tune now at around 430 or so hp from my 327 chevy... it is a muncie 4 speed but am thinking of going to the 6 speed richmond like I put in my big block ElCamino.
tranny is $3k... a good centrifical blower small block at 600+ hp would cost me around $7k The car is not slow now with the 430 hp motor. runs 12 sec quarters on street tires. Most people could not really drive it that fast.
In the U.S we have wide roads and a lot of em turn and then go uphill... There is no ricer around that will corner with my hotchiss/bilstein equipped big block elky and then do anything but fade in the rearview mirror on the uphill. With the six speed.... 5500 rpm in 6th translates to 178 mph... I don't want to push that body style that fast but it can be done. I have no doubt the 468 big block will rev as much as I want in any gear.
verm is correct.. the torque curve on a big block is something that has to be experianced. A bown big block is crazy fast.
Also... a 502 inch 502 motor can be had in the crat from GM for $7k complete.... there is also now a 640 inch 750 hp big block crate motor. No mechanical skill required... bolts right into your Chevelle. 454 inch 800 hp small blocks are availbel as aftermarket crate motors.
the limiting factor to all this acceleration wise is tires but... you can allways out tire a front wheel drive car with a rear wheel drive car.
lazs
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The work Chevy has done with the aftermarket crate motors these past few years has been phenomenal. The 502 is one hoss of an engine and like Lazs says is a direct bolt in. I still prefer wrenching on my own, but I'm not going to knock someone for getting it from the factory.
Cougar
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My point was... they are relatively cheap and the power levels are unbelievable. I have allways had some of the work on my engines done in any case... like the machining. bolting it all together is no big deal. welll.... maybe a little.
lazs
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There is no ricer around that will corner with my hotchiss/bilstein equipped big block elky and then do anything but fade in the rearview mirror on the uphill.
Lazs, with all due respect to the Elky, there are plenty of streetable 10 sec ricers out there that would eat it for breakfast on any kind of track you choose. There is a WRX in Australia that is into the 8's. It takes a lot more money and engineering know-how to get to those power levels than it does with a big block, but it's doable. Also remember that a smaller car has a lot less weight and punches a smaller hole in the air, so they don't need 8 liters to haul ass.
Still, my answer to most ricers who ask "What's the cheapest way to get 400 whp?" is "Chevy Small Block".
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(http://home.earthlink.net/~mikeywaltz/rice.jpg)
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"What's the cheapest way to get 400 whp?" is "Chevy Small Block".
Too true. Have you seen the power output on some of the 383 stroker engines (based on a common 350 block) out there?
An interesting article in the same Popular Hot Rodding magazine I was talking about had a custom built street racer, built off a custom frame, all kinds of incredible suspension parts, and a 64 corvette body. I think (if memory is right) that it had a supercharged 502 crate engine in it, tuned to run off normal high octane (92) gas. They were claiming 800hp off the dyno. STUPID fast.
The whole car cost a stupid amount of money, but when your a millionaire you can have custom rods built however you want.
Its all about how much you want to spend ! ;)
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Originally posted by Vermillion
Its all about how much you want to spend ! ;)
1.) Reliable
2.) Fast
3.) Inexpensive
Pick two. :cool:
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Cheapest and Easiest thing to do is BUY a car that is quik and looks it....Like a Z3 or Z4 BMW Roadster :D
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noo eengaanee iz *** poweerfool az zat in ze ztock 1983 foord staaatioon waagoon!!!111oneoneone
http://www.justdrive.ca/gallery/spit-yellow_ebay/
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BMW Z3 is fast? News to me. It's crap compared to its roadster stablemates. Give me the Vauxhall VX220 Turbo any day of the week. Better car and its faster.
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Dowding...is fast.....very quik outta the hole. Just ask the yellow
Mustang 5.0 driver (good friend) how quick. He looked nice in my left side rear view mirror . :D
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funked... I don't run into 10 sec ricers driving on the freeway on trips... they really don't exist in that environment...... You don't see these trailer queens taking 500 mile trips through the mountains ... and if they did... the tires and gearing they use for their 10 sec runs would make them meat on the twisty uphills...but...
If you want me to race one you will have to give me a week or so. My driveline is strong enough... powereing up to 900-1200 hp is not difficult. but... real world.... how many drag racers do you see on twisty uphill roads to the coast or the mountains?
I can run 12's now and drive to New york if I want to. I can run tens or 9's and.... every time I fire it up I will be pulling thepin on a grenade.
Not saying I can't be beat by ricers... just saying they can't compete in any real sense.
My car and most big blocks that put out 400-600 hp is very docile.. they will run easy (if noisy) 12 sec runs on street tires through the mufflers and still make 500 mile weekends to grannies in the mountains.
oh... I got a new power steering pump with a more less boost... just for you.
lazs
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Still partial to the old 60s' muscle cars. First new car I bought was a 1969 Road Runner. 383 cu.in 335 HP.
with a little work a small cam....dual quad intake, and 4:33 rear end, Hedman headers. Used AFB C series Carbs. Nuttin' but nuttin beat my Vitamin C Orange Road Runner outta the Hole!
Oh forgot the dual point distributor ignition system !
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hajo... modern parts can double the hp that was available back when you had that roadrunner... 6 speeds and alloy drivelines make them allmost unbreakable... you would be shocked at what a modernized roadrunner would power and handle like. tires alone are night and day from then....
lazs
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Originally posted by Dowding
BMW Z3 is fast? News to me. It's crap compared to its roadster stablemates. Give me the Vauxhall VX220 Turbo any day of the week. Better car and its faster.
Depends on the modle Z3. The very first ones were dogs - basically a BMW Miata... but heavier.
The last mutation, the S54 M Roadsters, looked the same but sported 315HP 6 bangers.
The M Roadsters and M Coupes were actually faster than the E46 M3's.
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The M roadsters are not really what I'm talking about - they don't support the argument that if you are going to spend lots of money on a Jap supercar you could buy a M roadster as an alternative. Brand new, they are more expensive than a new Evo VIII.
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Well, you gotta pay something for an astheticlly pleasing auto. :D
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lol :D The M roadsters were ugly beyond words! Okay, maybe not as ugly as BMWs recent 5-series, but not far off.
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Aye - especially the M Coupe. Something's just not right with that car - probably one of the ugliest cars ever made - but damn if that isnt half the reason I like them.
The other half? They are a HELL of alot of fun to drive.