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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: BGBMAW on January 26, 2004, 04:52:26 PM
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yaaa we just busted there bellybutton in Iraq..and the US Gov formally acknowleged it..
!!!!!
kill or capture!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I honestly fail to see how this is news.
MiniD
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I think it's been common knowledge for some time that every nutjob with an axe to grind against the US has been been involved in Iraq. This isn't really news.
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Are'nt the Democrats and Liberals the ones who have been screaming since the war started that Iraq has no association with Al Qaeda?
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I think "the libs" were just shocked at the ability Bin Laden had to Morph into Saddam Hussein.... it was incredible!
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LIES LIES...Al Kiduh is in no way in iraq , it's just redculess
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If Hussein had any dealings with external terrorists he kept a very tight lid on it. Hussein was as much a target of terror as any westerner but he had a pretty fat intel capability and kept those people (and most of his countrymen) down. Now, they are much more capable of doing harm in the vacuum of Husseins absence in that vast flat county (as we have seen these past many months and 500 US military deaths).
I guess Iraq is as good a place to battle these people as anywhere. I just hope the gigantic US military machine in Iraq is flexible enough to deal with the lethal shadow of terror there.
The Apache video demonstrates that high eplosive anti personal munitions appear to work quite well against fleshy targets
:aok
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"... since the war started that Iraq has no association with Al Qaeda?"
Ever since Bush prematurely spouted "miSsUN acComPliShEd" the Americans forces in Iraq have become a magnet for Al Quaeda as well as all the other dumb-as-dirt martyrdom seeking Muslem extremist in the world. A convenient turn of events IMO.
While I honestly I do not believe this was a goal set by the US administration it is however better that the fUnDamentaltards and terrorists fight and die in thier own back yard, against our armed forces there which can at least defend themselves, than against civilian targets at home in the US.
However if creating a Middle Eastern battelfield on US terms in the Middle East had been the aim of the US administration IMO it would have been far better if they'd invaded Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. Then the fight against the terrorists would have been more in thier front yard, less time to wait for them to come to us and IMO Hussein and Iraq would have started to comply with anything the US and UK wished just as a cowed Libya is doing now.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Are'nt the Democrats and Liberals the ones who have been screaming since the war started that Iraq has no association with Al Qaeda?
Yes.
Since their argument is now null, it has been altered to read "this isnt news."
Get with it muck, jeez.
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Al Queda has shown up for every "Jihad" in the middle east. The trick isn't finding them there now, it's showing they were there before we attacked. It's about showing there were ties between the government and al queda.
I am fully behind the actions in Iraq, but threads like this are beginning to define those supporting the war. "Complete lack of understanding" is not a definition I'd like applied to me.
MiniD
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::sigh::
Cant we just blow people up without arguing back and forth? For Christs sake people... were civilized!
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Don't you guys get it!...I'm in Customer Service..I'm a people person damnit!!!
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IIRC there were some of those al Qaeda guys in the US - gosh! does that mean the US gov't is in cahoots with al Qaeda too!? :rolleyes:
Jury's still out on Hussein-al Qaeda links - somehow I doubt the link, though, seeing as the two parties - the secular dictator and the religious nutter - fundamentally don't get along (bit like claiming Karl Marx and Jerry Falwell were in league with each other against Hinduism). The Saudi and Kuwaiti regimes on the other hand certainly need investigating.
The non news is that there are al Qaeda guys in Iraq now.
The irony is that al Qaeda's presence in Iraq now is a direct result of the US invasion.
And the bad news is that thanks to the invasion and the US deposing Hussein, al Qaeda is most likely in Iraq to stay and they've got lots of new Iraqi recruits to choose from.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Are'nt the Democrats and Liberals the ones who have been screaming since the war started that Iraq has no association with Al Qaeda?
Your ****ing kidding right?
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funny dead how you can say as fact
al quaeada was not there before the war started..
thsi is waht i beleive from what i have read and interpreted...
Saddam..hated any1 telling him what he could or couldnt do..he is pscyho mofo.....
he hated US and western allies...except the dirtball french and other "allies" who SOLD HIM WEAPONS ILLEGALY...
so when he finds other nutcases who hate USA and allies as much as he does..its on..
so hey Osama ur momma..u wan tsoem bio wepaons to let loose in US..sure..we can hook u up bro!!!...send a couple of your high ranking guys and we can teach/supply some stuff that will kill the GREAT SATAN COUNTRY..usa...
really...can u not atleast see how that woudl be feasable?
anyways..
KILL KILL KILL.....the nme will not surrender....fine...ill pay money to kill them...hell i do!!
Love
BiGB
xoxo
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"That is the finest example of Frontier Jibberish that I've ever heard".
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
funny dead how you can say as fact
al quaeada was not there before the war started..
thsi is waht i beleive from what i have read and interpreted...
Saddam..hated any1 telling him what he could or couldnt do..he is pscyho mofo.....
he hated US and western allies...except the dirtball french and other "allies" who SOLD HIM WEAPONS ILLEGALY...
so when he finds other nutcases who hate USA and allies as much as he does..its on..
so hey Osama ur momma..u wan tsoem bio wepaons to let loose in US..sure..we can hook u up bro!!!...send a couple of your high ranking guys and we can teach/supply some stuff that will kill the GREAT SATAN COUNTRY..usa...
really...can u not atleast see how that woudl be feasable?
anyways..
KILL KILL KILL.....the nme will not surrender....fine...ill pay money to kill them...hell i do!!
Love
BiGB
xoxo
Got a little bit of froth round your mouth there. ;)
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only thing i woul;d change would be
instead of french..i should of said french OWNED COMAPNIES AND FRENCH GOV....
i hope they get theres....
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Your forgetting that muslim extremists hate saddam as much as they hate the US. He was a secular ruler, not a clergy member.
(plus they didnt have any wmds)
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Don't let the facts get in the way of your beliefs guys.
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This re-inforces my belief that bringing the "war on terrorism" to the middle east, instead of our homeland, was tactically a brilliant move by our CIC, since it draws these scumbags out from under the tables onto a battle field.
Some of you have yet to figure that out though, as you're too blinded by partisan politics to admit its tactically a great move.
Living proof
of al-Qaida in Iraq
Alleged terrorist leader captured in Thursday raid
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/Default.aspx?id=4043576&p1=0
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Yes, Lets invade a country, kill countless civilians in the process of the battles and resulting resistance, and end up with scum of the ME in turn moving into this country of choice.
Brilliant!!
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Originally posted by Ping
Yes, Lets invade a country, kill countless civilians in the process of the battles and resulting resistance, and end up with scum of the ME in turn moving into this country of choice.
Brilliant!!
Originally posted by Ripsnort
..as you're too blinded by partisan politics to admit its tactically a great move.
Thanks for proving my point. (Yes, I know you're a Canuck, but your particular politics follows that of our left wing nut case liberals. :D )
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
yaaa we just busted there bellybutton in Iraq..and the US Gov formally acknowleged it..
And what about all the chinese?
Why are they in Iraq?
Could it be.......... communism?
Oh my gawd, the commies are coming!
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Yeah, tactically brilliant. I'm sure the GI standing on the Baghdad street corner waiting for the next suicide bomber thinks it is brilliant. I'm sure he loves your idea of him being used as bait.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Yeah, tactically brilliant. I'm sure the GI standing on the Baghdad street corner waiting for the next suicide bomber thinks it is brilliant. I'm sure he loves your idea of him being used as bait.
They are there to do their job, thats why so many volunteered after 9/11. They don't view themselves as bait, like you think they are. They view it as a job to do, someones got to do it, because there are so many pasty-white liberals like yourself that don't even have enough muscle tissue to lift a bag of groceries. They know where the fight belongs, take it to them. They have, and are(the servicemen), and its unfortunate that the enemy is so chicken to fight that they have to resort to suicidal means, but the Soldier understands this, and the sooner they kill or capture al Qaida operatives(as the story points out), the better off you will be, even without your thankfulness...
Let me ask you Dowding, what have to done to support your British troops fighting abroad?
We continue to make up food stuffs baskets for Marines we'll never meet, 4 each month, since the beginning of the conflict. Its not much by any means, but I do like to think that a soldier that gets one of these with a short hand written note by a 8 year old means something to them.
Thank God the US and British combat troops.
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This re-inforces my belief that bringing the "war on terrorism" to the middle east, instead of our homeland, was tactically a brilliant move by our CIC, since it draws these scumbags out from under the tables onto a battle field.
That assumes there's a fixed pool of terrorists, and that because there are numbers operating in Iraq there are less elsewhere.
Look at Afghanistan under the Soviets. Plenty of mujahideen in Afghanistan, but it didn't weaken Islamic fundamentalism elsewhere, it strengthened them. Thousands were killed in Afghanistan, but it never affected the numbers of mujahideen available.
Those fighting in Iraq now are mainly loow level volunteers from Arab countries who without the Iraq invasion would still be at home doing nothing.
Win or lose, the fundamentalists are likely to come out of this stronger and more radicalised. How many are they going to lose in Iraq? 10,000? 50,000? It's still a drop in the bucket, and in effect costs them nothing. Manpower is not their limiting factor. Finding somewhere where they can apply that manpower and operate openly is.
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They are there to do their job, thats why so many volunteered after 9/11. They don't view themselves as bait, like you think they are.
They are bait by your own admission. You started talking about drawing the terrorists out into the open. That is bait, whichever way you look at it. Feel free to withdraw/augment/squirrel away with your initial premise, but the bait aspect is exactly the heart of your 'brilliant tactical move'.
They view it as a job to do, someones got to do it, because there are so many pasty-white liberals like yourself that don't even have enough muscle tissue to lift a bag of groceries.
Really? You don't even know me you salamander. 6 ft 2, 195 pounds and former competitive rower. I still hit the gym three times a week. I wouldn't call myself he-man (I'd rather leave that to the professional blow-hards around here... naming no names) but groceries have never posed a problem.
They know where the fight belongs, take it to them. They have, and are(the servicemen), and its unfortunate that the enemy is so chicken to fight that they have to resort to suicidal means, but the Soldier understands this, and the sooner they kill or capture al Qaida operatives(as the story points out), the better off you will be, even without your thankfulness...
Having served his country by buying foreign automotive products, Ripsnort is perfectly able to speak for his country's servicemen. Suicide bombers are like the drops of water from a leaky valve. You can catch them in a bucket, but until the source of is tackled they will never stop. The bucket will simply overflow.
Let me ask you Dowding, what have to done to support your British troops fighting abroad?
We continue to make up food stuffs baskets for Marines we'll never meet, 4 each month, since the beginning of the conflict.
In order to provide bragging rights on an internet BBS. How noble. How utterly selfless. I bow down to your practically saintly sacrifices. Clearly I am not worthy to even compare what I have done for my servicemen.
Thank God the US and British combat troops.
Very touching.
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If it actually accomplished that intended goal it would be one thing.
Afghanistan is no closer to democracy, and not any safer from terrorists than when the Taliban were in power.
Take an honest look at what the state of that country is in and then tell me that GW's policies are actually working.
Hell your countries policies have actually increased Opium production there.
Cant even go out into the provinces without the fear of losing your life, The capital is the only, ha ha, safe place to be.
Far from left wing here, more of a realistic view of whats being accomplished.
I believe in gun rights, death penalty, far from being leftist.
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Originally posted by Ping
If it actually accomplished that intended goal it would be one thing.
Afghanistan is no closer to democracy, and not any safer from terrorists than when the Taliban were in power.
Take an honest look at what the state of that country is in and then tell me that GW's policies are actually working.
Hell your countries policies have actually increased Opium production there.
Cant even go out into the provinces without the fear of losing your life, The capital is the only, ha ha, safe place to be.
Far from left wing here, more of a realistic view of whats being accomplished.
I believe in gun rights, death penalty, far from being leftist.
You been hiding under a rock lately?
January 4th, Afghanistan's grand assembly or loya jirga adopted a new constitution.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3238271.stm
And women finally have some rights:
http://www.state.gov/g/rls/rm/2003/19583.htm
But feel to change the subject since you cannot fully debate the current topic.
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Ripsnort I do agree that the current results are more desirable over the alternatives - Muslem nutjobs focusing on our forces in Iraq vs NYC or London.
But to attribute it this situation to some "brilliant move" by the CIC I do not. That's one HUGE leap of logic and it reeks of this "partisan politics" b.s you like to accuse others of.
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Ripsnort quote:
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Let me ask you Dowding, what have to done to support your British troops fighting abroad?
We continue to make up food stuffs baskets for Marines we'll never meet, 4 each month, since the beginning of the conflict.
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Dowding: "In order to provide bragging rights on an internet BBS. How noble. How utterly selfless. I bow down to your practically saintly sacrifices. Clearly I am not worthy to even compare what I have done for my servicemen."
So your answer would be nothing, then?
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lol Dowding :D
I think there was a very loud noise in Ripsnort's eardrums right now. Sending cookies to the homies in Baghdad --> Good. Tellin about it on the internet --> Baaad ;)
Don't presume one is doing nothing because he doesn't publicise it rip. Not everyone can or want to. (something might be lost in the translation here... you'll get the meaning, I'm sure)
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Actually muckmaw, you'll find I subscribe to the view that private charitable donations are your own business. It is a personal thing, not like carpeting your garage and telling all the world about it. I give money to the RAF benevolent fund every year. Not much, but I'm not flush with cash. Besides, I'm sure they value every penny they get.
Now, maybe when I'm an old fart, bloated with self-importance, I'll make hampers up for the lads abroad and then boast about it on some BBS. I will mistakenly believe it will add significance to my opinions about how our servicemen are definitely not bait in a brilliant strategy that I myself have devised.
But then again, not even I could be that retarded. Hopefully.
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Iraq is a quagmire, and religious terrorism will not stop untill you fix the problem at its source not killing its followers( that will only breed more). And removing saddam from power will not accomplish that. We have our own home grown terrorists right here in america screaming about the will of god as they run into an abortion clinic to set off a bomb.
And ripsnort, exactly how many of your friends are over in iraq. Do you know how they feel about the mess? My generation is fighting this war. Maybe if you had some friends getting shot at everyday *****ing about our lying idiot president you might feel different. Isreali policy does not work.
lol, a liberal comedy website has done far more then any of you knuckleheads. Somethingawful.com raised 17k to buy the troops body armor the bush admin. wont pay for. I think the 30 bucks i donated will mean alot more then a couple of ripsnorts cookies.
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I know and have met Rip...he is a good man and a good father and husband.
To insult him because you disagree with his politics is petty and telling.
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Originally posted by Rude
I know and have met Rip...he is a good man and a good father and husband.
To insult him because you disagree with his politics is petty and telling.
i dont see anyone insulting ripsnort.
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Not changing the topic Rip, just adding to it.
This wonderfull tactic you speak of wasn't required. Afghanistan was the place to go to attack Al Q head on. They were, and are there. Why the need to pull out? To Invade another country so as to concentrate them elsewhere?
Yes Afgh has adopted a constitution, yet how valid is it if the majority of the country is actually run by feudal warlords.
Womens rights? Cmon, there is serious trouble brewing in the capital because they still dont recognize the rights of women to appear on and sing on TV. Go out into the provinces and see how well those worthless peices of paper are treated there.
If the Coalition, Nato pulls out of Afgh the current government will fall lickety split just as it did when Russia pulled out.
This brings us now to Iraq. You know full well the reason to go into Iraq was not to bring terrorists into the country to fight them on the battlefield, you had that opportunity in Afgh.
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south vietnam had all kinds of wonderfull democratic ideas written on paper as well. Untill they ignore their religion and accept democracy they will always be blowing themselves up.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
Iraq is a quagmire, and religious terrorism will not stop untill you fix the problem at its source not killing its followers( that will only breed more). And removing saddam from power will not accomplish that. We have our own home grown terrorists right here in america screaming about the will of god as they run into an abortion clinic to set off a bomb.
And ripsnort, exactly how many of your friends are over in iraq. Do you know how they feel about the mess? My generation is fighting this war. Maybe if you had some friends getting shot at everyday *****ing about our lying idiot president you might feel different. Isreali policy does not work.
lol, a liberal comedy website has done far more then any of you knuckleheads. Somethingawful.com raised 17k to buy the troops body armor the bush admin. wont pay for. I think the 30 bucks i donated will mean alot more then a couple of ripsnorts cookies.
I have friends there....one is returning for a second dose. What's your point?
They are not against this effort....they support Bush and if anything, fear another CC like Clinton, who allowed them to die in Somalia and then turn tail and pull out.
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Originally posted by Ping
Not changing the topic Rip, just adding to it.
This wonderfull tactic you speak of wasn't required. Afghanistan was the place to go to attack Al Q head on. They were, and are there. Why the need to pull out? To Invade another country so as to concentrate them elsewhere?
Yes Afgh has adopted a constitution, yet how valid is it if the majority of the country is actually run by feudal warlords.
Womens rights? Cmon, there is serious trouble brewing in the capital because they still dont recognize the rights of women to appear on and sing on TV. Go out into the provinces and see how well those worthless peices of paper are treated there.
If the Coalition, Nato pulls out of Afgh the current government will fall lickety split just as it did when Russia pulled out.
This brings us now to Iraq. You know full well the reason to go into Iraq was not to bring terrorists into the country to fight them on the battlefield, you had that opportunity in Afgh.
We'll never know what world threat could have come from Iraq had it been left as is, and Iraq is centrally located between two countries that openly harbor al Qaida terrorists, Syria and Iran. Tactically brilliant!
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im guessing they would have rather had clinton not realize that bush the first made a mistake going into there in the first place, and continue to feed troops into a meat grinder like we are doing in iraq. Bravo!
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You are grasping with that one.
Confused? Unsure? INVADE.
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Pakistan has a whole pile of terrorists and sympathizers in house.
China is full of Communists.
My suggestion is, Invade India
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
im guessing they would have rather had clinton not realize that bush the first made a mistake going into there in the first place, and continue to feed troops into a meat grinder like we are doing in iraq. Bravo!
Only in your opinion...if you spoke in the manner you do on this board in their presence, that speech would come at a price.
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I think you engage your reading comprehension skills and re-read the thread, Rude. Ripsnort began with the insults. If he can't take it, he shouldn't deal it out.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
i dont see anyone insulting ripsnort.
Dowding and others mock him....hardly necessary to make a point.
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Originally posted by Ping
Pakistan has a whole pile of terrorists and sympathizers in house.
China is full of Communists.
My suggestion is, Invade India
Screw that, let's invade Islamia. That's where all those Islamics come from right?
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Originally posted by Rude
Dowding and others mock him....hardly necessary to make a point.
Originally posted by Ripsnort
They view it as a job to do, someones got to do it, because there are so many pasty-white liberals like yourself that don't even have enough muscle tissue to lift a bag of groceries.
What goes around comes around and etc.
-SW
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lmfao...
evrything is is progressing...you can t beperfect...but We see the progress..
I love it..you wackos are melting!!!!!!
smaq u like the bioches u are...thank god we out number u "Chamberlins"
lmfao...
its great...
melt melt melt...
Love
BiGB
xoxo
P.S Virtual Steak Knife stabbing
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BGB, are you in therapy?
:D
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It must be tough making yourself understood when English is your third language. Perhaps he could try minus' parser? That would be an improvement.
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I think BGB smacks the keyboard with his forehead and hopes words come out.
-SW
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lol
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BGBMaw :
dy piggi bad mans
do get the
outtie smackdown frm top ropes
gergle,
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hehe
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Hey! Don't make fun of BigB. He's just an eager champion for thier cause. I for one couldn't stomache all of the lying, empty rhetoric being spouted here by some without BigB's most colorful input. Beautiful, mad-like ravings that are just downright icing on the cake. All self created to boot. None of this vacuous, lame "cut&paste" presentations of other peoples spin jobs. Nor is there any photoshop funny stuff needed to help highlight thier ludicrous stances as they did with pictures of the Iraq war protesters.
I for one enjoy seeing his posts come right after these others who got "wood" with the Iraqi invasion, who think Bush is simply divine and that "honesty, truth and the American way" are the ideals revered by the US administration. His posts help put thier whole camp and perspectives in the proper "light."
So don't be "diss'ing" BigB. BigB does so much, for so many.
So thank him next time instead ;)
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No insults Mr Rude,
I just found the finger pointing amusing, plz excuse me if I offended anyone in the process.
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"...None of this vacuous, lame "cut&paste" presentations of other peoples spin jobs. ".
Hmmm...I wonder who he could be referring to? Any ideas dripsnore?
yowser
P.S. Vacuous. Fits perfectly.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
You been hiding under a rock lately?
January 4th, Afghanistan's grand assembly or loya jirga adopted a new constitution.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3238271.stm
And women finally have some rights:
http://www.state.gov/g/rls/rm/2003/19583.htm
But feel to change the subject since you cannot fully debate the current topic.
Uncanny - it's almost as if the Taleban read your posts, rip.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3436405.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3436405.stm)
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Originally posted by Ping
This brings us now to Iraq. You know full well the reason to go into Iraq was not to bring terrorists into the country to fight them on the battlefield, you had that opportunity in Afgh.
There were a number of reasons and this was in fact a contributing hypothesis considered to have a high probability of truth.
And... if you had any idea of our ops tempo in Afghanistan today you'd realize the opportunity has been far from missed.
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Originally posted by Mini D
Al Queda has shown up for every "Jihad" in the middle east. The trick isn't finding them there now, it's showing they were there before we attacked. It's about showing there were ties between the government and al queda.
I am fully behind the actions in Iraq, but threads like this are beginning to define those supporting the war. "Complete lack of understanding" is not a definition I'd like applied to me.
MiniD
lol what exactly prove that Iraqi gov suported Al ?
yes out BIS reported that they did meet at Prageu and Iq. Dip. had some money , whitch he could give them
But BIS also claimed that they dont know if they got them or not
and they arent able to prove it.
CIA explained letter from BIS this way.:
Al. members got money from Iraqi diplomat at Prague ...
bla bla bla bla ... I guess that miss understanding were causedby crapy english of our former communist agents
But BIS also claimed that they dont know if they got them or not
and they arent able to prove it. = Al. members got money from Iraqi diplomat at Prague ...
viva eemerika ... viva communication
may be it was some error on TCP layer :D
edit.: this money transfer is about 9/11 attacks
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Step away from the keyboard.
yowser